Four-Hour-18-Minute Roll Sets Craps Record
Sancho Panza
Craps player sets record at NJ casino
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Sun May 24, 4:08 pm ET
ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. - Saturday was a record-setting night for a novice craps
player at an Atlantic City casino.
Patricia Demauro set a new record for the longest craps roll, hanging on for
four hours and 18 minutes at the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa.
Borgata officials say she beat the previous record by one hour and 12
minutes. They say Stanley Fujitake of Honolulu, set that record nearly 20
years ago in Las Vegas.
"This was only my second time playing craps, so this was very exciting for
me to be a part of history," says Demauro, who lives in Denville in northern
New Jersey.
Demauro bought into a game for $100 and quickly amassed a cheering crowd.
When she finally lost around 12:31 a.m., after 154 rolls of the dice, she
was greeted by Borgata with a champagne toast.
The casino wouldn't say how much Demauro won.
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> ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. - Saturday was a record-setting night for a novice
> craps player at an Atlantic City casino.
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> Patricia Demauro set a new record for the longest craps roll, hanging
> on for four hours and 18 minutes at the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa.
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> Borgata officials say she beat the previous record by one hour and 12
> minutes. They say Stanley Fujitake of Honolulu, set that record nearly
> 20 years ago in Las Vegas.
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> "This was only my second time playing craps, so this was very exciting
> for me to be a part of history," says Demauro, who lives in Denville
> in northern New Jersey.
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> Demauro bought into a game for $100 and quickly amassed a cheering
> crowd. When she finally lost around 12:31 a.m., after 154 rolls of the
> dice, she was greeted by Borgata with a champagne toast.
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> The casino wouldn't say how much Demauro won.
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she colored up $70
she lost her line bet and double odds with her 7-out
rklnot
with black chips...
rklnot
> Fortunately, according to this CNN clip, 5 or 6 players 'tipped' her
> with black chips...
Sorry - forgot the link:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2009/05/25/moos.oh.craps.cnn
Alan Shank
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>> Craps player sets record at NJ casino
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>> ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. - Saturday was a record-setting night for a novice
>> craps player at an Atlantic City casino.
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>> Patricia Demauro set a new record for the longest craps roll, hanging
>> on for four hours and 18 minutes at the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa.
>> Demauro bought into a game for $100 and quickly amassed a cheering
>> crowd. When she finally lost around 12:31 a.m., after 154 rolls of the
>> dice, she was greeted by Borgata with a champagne toast.
Only 154 rolls in almost 4 1/2 hours? That's about 36 rolls/hour. I
guess she must have drawn quite a crowd, making lots and lots of place
and center bets, slowing things way down.
So, how many passes did she make? How many comeout sevens? The little
video someone linked to didn't give any of the interesting details.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
The Midnight Skulker
That sounded a little low to me, too, so I looked up the Fujitake
hand: 118 rolls in 3.1 hours, or just over 38 rolls/hour.
> I guess she must have drawn quite a crowd, making lots and lots of
> place and center bets, slowing things way down.
I imagine a few fills were necessary, which would also decrease the
rolls/hour.
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> >> Only 154 rolls in almost 4 1/2 hours? That's about 36 rolls/hour.
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> > That sounded a little low to me, too, so I looked up the Fujitake
> > hand: 118 rolls in 3.1 hours, or just over 38 rolls/hour.
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> >> I guess she must have drawn quite a crowd, making lots and lots of
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> just to keep this car wreck of a news group alive.......
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I remember the days when I thought about Mason and the others
who criticized my postings. Now, I have been "lurking" for a few
years and no longer have my web sites, and I secretly wish that
the "old days" were back. It was a much better group at that time.
I communicate by email with a few of the old timers but see no
reason to post any more with all of the spam that is here and
virtually no useful information.
But, Van, please do continue to attempt to keep it alive.
Thanks for all that you have contributed in the many years
that you have posted.
Jim (previously known as "The System Man")
Sancho Panza
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Here is one of the more "reports" from the local (Philly) TV station. What
is more than curious is tha only was there no estimate of the points made,
but also notice that her style apparently includes rubbing the dice with
both hands. Ahem!
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=6833247
Here is Time magainze. And if you believe they clock in a $100 buy in at the
Borgata, you've never played there.
It sounds like a homework problem out of a high school math book: What is
the probability of rolling a pair of dice 154 times continuously at a craps
table, without throwing a seven?
TIME's Claire Suddath talks to Patricia Demauro, a New Jersey grandmother,
who just won a record-breaking craps take
The answer is roughly 1 in 1.56 trillion, and on May 23, Patricia Demauro, a
New Jersey grandmother, beat those odds at Atlantic City's Borgata Hotel
Casino and Spa. Demauro's 154-roll lucky streak, which lasted four hours and
18 minutes, broke the world records for the longest craps roll and the most
successive dice rolls without "sevening out." According to Stanford
University statistics professor Thomas Cover, the chances of that happening
are smaller than getting struck by lightning (one in a million), being hit
by an errant ball at a baseball game (one in 1.5 million) or winning the
lottery (one in 100 million, depending on the game). (Read "When Gambling
Becomes Obsessive.")
So, how did it happen? On Saturday, Denville native Demauro and her friend
John Capra decided to indulge their yen to bet. Their Atlantic City jaunt
began innocuously enough, with Demauro, only a casual casinogoer, planting
herself in front of a penny slot machine on the Borgata floor and Capra
going off to try his hand at three-card poker. (See an interview with the
new king of poker.)
By 8 p.m., a few hours later, Demauro had grown tired of the slots. She
ventured into the poker room to collect her friend, who was losing money. He
offered to show her how to play craps. Of the 14 available craps tables,
they sidled up to the nearest one and waited for the three other players to
finish rolling. Capra shot next, but sevened out quickly. Then, he handed
Demauro the dice.
Craps is known as the world's most common dice game and it is played, with
varying rules and sizes of table, in virtually every casino on the planet.
Craps is a game of chance rather than skill, and with a low house
advantage - around 1.4%, which makes it harder to beat than blackjack but
easier than roulette - even novices can win. That is, if they're lucky.
According to the casino, Demauro started her roll at 8:13 p.m. She bought
into the game with $100 and when the orange-colored dice came around to her,
she rubbed her hands together and let them fly. Demauro says she had played
craps only once before, and being an inexperienced better, followed Capra's
advice when placing bets.
A craps turn begins with an initial or "come out" roll, in which the player
tries to establish a "point number" - that is, when the dice add up to four,
five, six, eight, nine or 10. Once that happens, the player must roll the
point again before throwing a seven, which is statistically the most likely
outcome on a pair of dice. If the player rolls a seven before the point, the
turn ends.
As soon as Demauro hit her point number (eight), people started betting. She
says the game moved so fast after that, she couldn't really keep up. "There
are all these terms I didn't know," Demauro says. "People were yelling out
'Yo.'" I said to John, 'What's "yo?"' I think that's an 11."
The table filled up and a throng of spectators gathered. Demauro rolled
double sixes, hard fours, snake eyes, every possible combination of the
dice. Some people called out requests and Demauro managed to fulfill them.
Players from the nearby blackjack table came over to watch, and then came
the casino executives, or as she describes them, "men in dark suits."
Demauro and her audience knew they would never witness anything like this
again. "There was a woman there, and we happened to catch each other's
eyes," Demauro says, "She smiled at me, and I smiled and said, 'I don't know
how to play the game.'"
Although there is no official organization that keeps track of gambling
world records, a number of clubs record significant dice rolls. Before
Demauro's, the longest craps roll lasted three hours and six minutes -
accomplished at a Las Vegas casino in 1989, with 118 rolls. And according to
gambling expert and author of Beat the Craps Out of the Casinos, Frank
Scoblete, the highest number of successive dice rolls was 147, thrown by a
man operating under the pseudonym the "Captain" in 2005. The average number
of dice rolls before sevening out? Eight.
Given the rules of the game, there are any number of ways to achieve 154
consecutive rolls without crapping out, though all of them are highly
unlikely. Unlikely but not impossible. Stanford's Cover explains: "Let's say
we have a million gamblers trying a thousand events at any one time. That's
a billion different rolls of craps." Out of a billion different games, the
probability of getting an event that special is reduced to one in 1,000.
"It's not out of the realm of possibility," he says.
Demauro declined to reveal how much money she won, but gambling experts
estimate that if she made good bets, her winnings were probably in the
hundreds of thousands; expert bets would have put them in the millions.
Demauro and Capra spent the rest of their holiday weekend in Atlantic City,
and even returned to the same craps table two nights later - but only as
spectators. "The expectations were too high," she says. "I wasn't ready to
be the shooter again."
Once the shock of her good fortune wears off, however, she says she'll try
throwing the dice again. After all, sometimes lightning strikes twice.
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Here is the Newark newspaper's story;
"Denville woman recalls setting the craps record in AC
by Eugene Paik/For The Star-Ledger
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 7:28 PM
Photo courtesy of the Borgata casinoPat DeMauro celebrates after her record
setting roll of the dice.
DENVILLE -- Pat DeMauro remembers only one piece of advice she received as
she rolled the dice at a craps table Saturday night: Slow down the throwing
motion, control the power of the arm.
DeMauro, a grandmother from Denville, had played craps only once a couple
months earlier, shooting the dice about five times. But with her friend by
her side, DeMauro did much better over the Memorial Day weekend in Atlantic
City. She shattered a 20-year-old world record.
DeMauro stunned rows of onlookers and gaming experts by rolling the dice for
four hours and 18 minutes at the Borgata Hotel and Casino.
She rolled the dice 154 times before she "sevened out" by rolling a seven,
beating the previous reported record set in 1989 by Stanley Fujitake, of
Honolulu. He rolled the dice 118 times at a Las Vegas casino for three hours
and six minutes before his run finally ended.
In the media crush that's ensued since her record-breaking streak, DeMauro's
refused to say how much she won, revealing only that she "walked away
happy."
She did reveal her secret, however.
"When you relax about it, these things happen," she said.
DeMauro had no crash course to the game, she said, and she learned on the
fly about some of its fundamental terms, such as a "come-out roll," which is
the initial roll of the dice in a betting round.
In fact, what witnesses saw between 8:13 p.m. Saturday and 12:31 a.m. Sunday
could be best described as a "once-in-a-lifetime record," said Frank
Scoblete, author of the book, "Golden Touch Dice Control Revolution!"
"All over the world, craps players are fantasizing about what they would
have done had they been in her place," he said.
Scoblete's personal best? Eighty-nine rolls over an hour and 35 minutes, he
said.
As the hours passed, the only thing on DeMauro's mind was to toss the dice,
almost oblivious to what was at stake.
Everyone else knew.
A sparse audience turned into a packed mob, and Borgata officials raced to
research the record when they learned DeMauro was still in the game after a
couple hours.
The audience cheered for the underdog, while those betting at the table
hoped her magic arm continued to win them money.
Evidence of any nervousness in DeMauro could only be found in her refusal to
hold her drink. The woman did not want her hands to become moist, she said.
It was probably good, she said, that she didn't realize the odds working
against her.
According to Michael Shackleford -- a statistician dubbed the Wizard of Odds
and an adjunct professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas -- DeMauro
had only one chance in about 3.5 billion to roll 154 times.
DeMauro heads to Atlantic City a couple times each year, but she said she's
not a fan of table games.
She usually opts to play slot machines. Most of the time, she said, she
heads back to her room while friends stay on the casino floor.
She was compelled to put down $100 to play craps Saturday night to pass some
time with her friend.
"We wanted to do something different," she said.
After DeMauro's run ended when she finally rolled a seven, she was whisked
away by Borgata officials and pampered with free meals, drinks and a suite.
That's when she realized what she had done. The press-shy woman dealt with a
barrage of media interviews.
"At that point, it got a little overwhelming," she said. "You just try to
answer the questions as best as you can and smile."
Now, she said, she plans to share some of her winnings with her daughter and
grandchildren during a trip to Disneyworld in Florida.
"I had a lot of fun," she said. "It was a great ride getting there."
LONG ODDS
Odds of being struck by lightning in your lifetime (Est. 80 years): 1 in
5,000
Odds of being dealt a royal flush in draw poker: 1 in 649,740
Odds of winning the Mega Millions jackpot: 1 in 175 million
Odds of keeping the roll for 154 times in a craps game: 1 in 3.5 billion*
*Source --The Wizard of Odds, AKA, Michael Shackleford, adjunct professor of
casino math at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas"
The Midnight Skulker
> is more than curious is tha only was there no estimate of the points made,
> but also notice that her style apparently includes rubbing the dice with
> both hands. Ahem!
>
> http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=6833247
I couldn't tell for sure, but I don't think she had the dice when she
rubbed her hands together. What caught my eye was the picture behind
the TV anchor, which showed dice with rounded corners! Again I
couldn't tell for sure, but I don't think those were the type of dice
used for the shots at the table, and presumably during the actual
game.
> Here is Time magainze. And if you believe they clock in a $100 buy in at the
> Borgata, you've never played there.
Could they not easily review the surveillance tapes after the fact to
determine when the hand started? Come to think of it they could do
that to determine how many passes the lady made, how much she won, and
any other trivia about the hand if they were interested enough.
> It sounds like a homework problem out of a high school math book: What is
> the probability of rolling a pair of dice 154 times continuously at a craps
> table, without throwing a seven?
>
> [snip]
>
> The answer is roughly 1 in 1.56 trillion, and on May 23, Patricia Demauro, a
> New Jersey grandmother, beat those odds at Atlantic City's Borgata Hotel
> Casino and Spa. Demauro's 154-roll lucky streak, which lasted four hours and
> 18 minutes, broke the world records for the longest craps roll and the most
> successive dice rolls without "sevening out." According to Stanford
> University statistics professor Thomas Cover, the chances of that happening
> are smaller than getting struck by lightning (one in a million), being hit
> by an errant ball at a baseball game (one in 1.5 million) or winning the
> lottery (one in 100 million, depending on the game). (Read "When Gambling
> Becomes Obsessive.")
Of course not throwing a seven ->at all<- in 154 consecutive rolls is
not the same problem as having a 154-roll hand.
> According to Michael Shackleford -- a statistician dubbed the Wizard of Odds
> and an adjunct professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas -- DeMauro
> had only one chance in about 3.5 billion to roll 154 times.
That's more like it.
The Midnight Skulker
> who criticized my postings. Now, I have been "lurking" for a few
> years and no longer have my web sites, and I secretly wish that
> the "old days" were back. It was a much better group at that time.
> I communicate by email with a few of the old timers but see no
> reason to post any more with all of the spam that is here and
> virtually no useful information.
The signal-to-noise ratio has definitely gone below acceptable levels
of late. IMHO the problem, if indeed it is a problem and not merely a
natural evolutionary process, is the plethora of blogs, privately run
sites, etc. which have diluted the population of people interested in
talking and/or learning about craps. I'm sure there are other forums
with activity that rivals the old days of this one, but I lack the
interest to search for them and doubt I would be welcome in many of
them. I contend that if one wants to discuss a topic seriously, this
is the place to do it rather than in a moderated forum where everyone
shares the same opinion.
> But, Van, please do continue to attempt to keep it alive.
I don't plan to leave any time soon. One thing I try to avoid is
posting just to see my name in print, so I don't start many threads,
but I'll continue to respond to questions and thoughts presented by
others.
> Thanks for all that you have contributed in the many years
> that you have posted.
I would share those thanks with Alan Shank, whom I presume is still
here.
> Jim (previously known as "The System Man")
Sorry to hear you have abandoned your web sites. I confess I didn't
spend much time reviewing them but thought they were a good source of
ideas for betting strategies, maybe even on par with The Dice Doctor.
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Sancho Panza
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Easily so. And in many cases superior.
TeddysDad
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>Jim (previously known as "The System Man")
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Jim F., good to see you again. I must admit, I was afraid that you had, um,
er, 'truly' left us... Hope you're still gettting out and playing some times.
I noticed your old site about systems was gone. I was talking to a friend a
while ago, was going to refer him to it (he likes systems), but couldn't find
it. NOW I know...
Drop in a post now and then. That is the only way this place will continue
on........