Hop Bets vs Any Seven
Ed Kennen
to LV, and of course reading this newsgroup for ideas and play
(and to all I must say that I really enjoy the discussion w/o a
lot of crap (no pun) like I hear in other groups).
So I have a short question I'd like verified:
Can I make a hop 6-1, a hop 5-2 and a hop 4-3, each at 15-1;
instead of Any Seven at 4-1? Then $3 on an expected 7-out would
pay $13 ($15 - $2) instead of $12.
Ed
Ken Kubey
If I call my neighbor a "jerk" he punches me 3 times.
If I call him a "fool" he only punches me twice.
I think it's better if I don't call him a "jerk" *or* a "fool"
Same with your question. Yes, betting all 3 7's combos on the hop
is better than betting on 7 itself, but you are still being ripped off.
On a $3 bet, you *should* win $15 when a 7 is rolled (true odds).
Hop bets are really bad.
Of course if you really *have* to bet $3 on 7, then you might as well
call out "hop 61, 52, and 43 - a dollar each." I think most casinos
would be glad to take that bet.
Ken Kubey ku...@engr.sgi.com QB (415) 933-3536
Ken Kubey
>In article <49vtu4$4...@fido.asd.sgi.com>, ku...@sgi.com says...
>>
>>On a $3 bet, you *should* win $15 when a 7 is rolled (true odds).
>>Hop bets are really bad.
>>
>>Of course if you really *have* to bet $3 on 7, then you might as well
>>call out "hop 61, 52, and 43 - a dollar each." I think most casinos
>>would be glad to take that bet.
>>
Glad to help.
>I think that you are incorrect on the "true odds" for a 7, I think
>they are 6-1 so $3 *should* pay $18.
7 should come up 1 out of 6 rolls, so the true payoff
*should be* 5-1. You lose 5 times out of 6, win once, you're even.
>While I'll agree that betting on the 7 is a regarded as a SUCKER BET
>there are times when it is used as a HEDGE. (Of course some think that
>a hedge is a waste also). I was was not asking for a comment on whether
>betting on the 7 was foolish or not, I just wanted to know if I could
>get an extra $1 back if it hit by doing a *special* bet. While reading
>all the other posts in this group, I just noticed a post from someone
>asking what a 3-way seven was (as a hedge for a $20 DC). Now I wonder
>if "3-way 7" is the "correct jargon" for the 3 hop bets.
A hedge is a good idea if you can guarantee a win. There are
situations in sports betting where you can do that.
In craps, you would have to keep betting "3-way 7" *every* roll
as a hedge. You could easily lose more hedging your bets than
you would if you just gambled.
But yes, if you want to bet on 7, it's better to make the 3 hop bets
than to just bet directly on 7.
Jeffrey A. Young
Ed Kennen <ken...@Accessware.Com> wrote:
>In article <49vtu4$4...@fido.asd.sgi.com>, ku...@sgi.com says...
>>
>>On a $3 bet, you *should* win $15 when a 7 is rolled (true odds).
>>Hop bets are really bad.
>I think that you are incorrect on the "true odds" for a 7, I think
>they are 6-1 so $3 *should* pay $18.
You may *think* that. I *know* (and Ken too) that true odds on a
one-roll seven are 5:1. (Maybe you are confusing odds with
probabilities? 1/6 probability == 5:1 odds against.)
Jeff
Ed Kennen
>>Can I make a hop 6-1, a hop 5-2 and a hop 4-3, each at 15-1;
>>instead of Any Seven at 4-1? Then $3 on an expected 7-out would
>>pay $13 ($15 - $2) instead of $12.
>
>If I call my neighbor a "jerk" he punches me 3 times.
>If I call him a "fool" he only punches me twice.
>I think it's better if I don't call him a "jerk" *or* a "fool"
>
>Same with your question. Yes, betting all 3 7's combos on the hop
>is better than betting on 7 itself, but you are still being ripped off.
>
>On a $3 bet, you *should* win $15 when a 7 is rolled (true odds).
>Hop bets are really bad.
>
>Of course if you really *have* to bet $3 on 7, then you might as well
>call out "hop 61, 52, and 43 - a dollar each." I think most casinos
>would be glad to take that bet.
>
>Ken Kubey ku...@engr.sgi.com QB (415) 933-3536
Thanks for your reply and verification to my question.
I think that you are incorrect on the "true odds" for a 7, I think
they are 6-1 so $3 *should* pay $18.
While I'll agree that betting on the 7 is a regarded as a SUCKER BET
there are times when it is used as a HEDGE. (Of course some think that
a hedge is a waste also). I was was not asking for a comment on whether
betting on the 7 was foolish or not, I just wanted to know if I could
get an extra $1 back if it hit by doing a *special* bet. While reading
all the other posts in this group, I just noticed a post from someone
asking what a 3-way seven was (as a hedge for a $20 DC). Now I wonder
if "3-way 7" is the "correct jargon" for the 3 hop bets.
Thanks, Ed
Ed Kennen
>7 should come up 1 out of 6 rolls, so the true payoff
>*should be* 5-1. You lose 5 times out of 6, win once, you're even.
>
>But yes, if you want to bet on 7, it's better to make the 3 hop bets
>than to just bet directly on 7.
Oops! You are correct! It is easy to get probability confused with odds!
I was using the 5/36 for a 6 versus 6/36 for a 7 which gives 5/6 true odds
to make the true odds for the 7 (which was wrong...) I should have
been thinking 6/36 for the 7 versus 30/36 for "other" which gives 6/30
or 1/5 true odds.
Thanks again for the hop info. I had intended to try it last weekend
but the tables were so busy and the dealers were such a pain in the ass
that I didn't try. I did ask for a $4 horn 4 times and hit it once
with a 12, but what I learned (the hard way) was that the dealers put
another horn bet up for me with my winnings. I now know that this is
standard procedure, but at the time I didn't. I'm still a novice at the
game, so I mention this for the other newbies who may also be reading
this group in hopes of "getting a clue"!
Ed