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rea...@saliu.com

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Axiomatic Colleagues of Mine:

Them card-counting afflicts have always conducted wars against one another! Just look in this very newsgroup -- vociferous card-counting gurus witnessing for the casinos in a lawsuit filed by a BJ card-counter, Campione (Arnold Snyder, Stanford Wong, etc. - developers and vendors of card-counting training materials and casino witnesses).

There are also two wormish "gurus" in blackjack card-counting that you might crush without desire: Zengrifter and Norman Wattenberger. They decided it was time to start a war of their own as to "enhance" their stature in the virtual gambling world! What is life without a war, since card-counting does NOT work -- never did and never will:

http://saliu.com/bbs/messages/274.html

They succeeded in attracting me in that war. Read this thread in the ZenZone forums:

"zengrifter's Avatar zengrifter
Too Legit To Quit
Posts 17,408
Oh thats classic - Ion Saliu (aka Parpaluck) serenading Norman Wattenberger.
This has Brother Katweezel's fingerprints all over it! zg
http://saliu.com/gambling-fights.html

Ps - Can we get the real Ion Saliu over here?
Last edited by zengrifter; April 25th, 2013 at 05:06 PM. Reason: fingerprints link
"The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.""

http://www.zenzoneforum.com/threads/24848-Blackjack-THE-Forum-bans-ZG-THE-Grifter?p=200616#post200616
(page 6, post #85)


I. Who was that Ion Saliu Fan, really? Was it Zengrifter - he invited me via email addressing me as Your Eminence, as if I were Pope of Gambling. Or was it Katweezel/Katz/Kwitser/Tony-Jew Kafking -- he addresses me as Antichrist of Gambling ('cuz I piss in casinos instead of chanting "The Prayer of High Count". "Lordy, Lordy, Gimme PLUS 40!"

I am on your side, paraxiomatic godchildren of mine, in your renewed fight with Narcissus The Bannister (Norman Wattenberger).

I am the godfather who always takes good care of his godchildren, even when he kicks their arses when warranted (only when warranted, as special therapy). Just look at the therapeutic wonders I achieved in the Zen Zone:

* Look how collected Asslan is now -- his venom-gland dried out.
* Look how quiet N0rm is now -- one can hear a pin drop in the federal courts.
* Look how Israeli-quiet Katz is now -- one can hear a nuke drop in Lower Manhattan.
* Look how brave Zengrifter is now -- he reopened the thread about his award-winning ban -- one can hear a phart in THE Norman Bates forum (where he plays with his girlfriend GF).

I got some free time this glorious day of October 23, the year of grace 2014. I will write a series of posts and grant you permission to publish them without an iota of complaining from me, Ion saliu (royalty name: Parpaluck). I will never file a copyright infringement complaint against this community, its cyber owner, and/or other virtual publications of copies of my posts -- and so be it.

A Thunder-From-Down-Under I always respect for his way with words invited me once more to participate in the RENEWED WAR between The Grifter and N0rm Wattenberger --

"Katz's Avatar Katz
Posts 5,957

No doubt posts like those three above (on N0rm's site) have the effect of improving the traffic on this ZZ site, just so some of his members might see WTF is going on, and to peek at what the ZZ toadies, the self-hating ex-con com (sic) bully man, plus all those who have been exiled by Caesar N0rm are up to. My incomplete short list of the exiled includes Mac, me, Zengrifter, AutoMonk, ION SALIU (PARPALUCK -- who was not exiled but had he been a member, he would have been exiled because of ... well, whistling insolent tunes while smirking, and a feud dating back to prehistoric times.)

Speaking of feuds, like Ouchez, I also tried to mediate in the storm in a teacup between Grifter and N0rm; after N had his +3000 valid reasons why Grifter should have been banned, as well as the arch Grifter conman should have been serving at least 288 years hard time with no parole for making $200-odd millions by ripping off little old ladies' with labrador seeing-eye dogs pension funds, and not even giving the money back, the swine, after the judge failed to make any restitution order."


II. We previously debated the paranoia of the sicko known as Norm Watt (real name Norman Wattenberger). He files legal complaints against anybody who publishes negative opinions on him. He complains about copyright infringement. Say, what? He is a basket case of theft: Stealing from others, or deceiving he is "others" (important ones, mind you!) For starters, he implies he is... Gandhi! Say, what? He 'created" a location of his own: The Mote in God's Eye. That's not a sentence in The Bible -- it is the exact title of a book published by two different authors!

That's blunt hypocrisy regarding copyright infringement!

http://www.zenzoneforum.com/threads/26485-Ion-Saliu-(aka-Parpaluck)-Your-Humble-Zen-Musician-amp-Gambling-System-Innovator/page23 (pages 22-23, especially post #331)

There was a NORM WATT who had a Facebook profile with several pages. The profile showed photos of THE Norman Wattenberger -- as The Zengrifter, sleuth at-large, discovered. But "Norm Watt" was a deceiving profile, as the same Zengrifter, lawyer-from-inmate at-large, ruled. Zengrifter ruling was founded on the legal grounds (TOS) established by Facebook regarding the mandatory-correct information in a profile. As a matter of fact, Facebook recently ruled (October 2014) that even government agencies must comply with the TOS. The profile page of a U.S. government agency was removed because it created a fake Facebook profile.

http://www.facebook.com/norm.watt.3

"Sorry, this page isn't available
The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed."

Either ZenGrifter filed a legal complaint and Facebook removed the "Norm Watt" profile as fraudulent; or, Norman Wattenberger removed his own "Norm Watt" Facebook profile to heed his notorious fears. N0rm cannot deal with people publicly, unless he has the power to silence them by banning (in his own virtual properties only). He is "courageous" only in private emails, because he feels the false assurance of "privacy laws". He would attack like a rabid beast in his "private" emails because he fears no consequences!


III. In any event, the "Norm Watt" profile showed photos representing the real Norman Wattenberger, the narcissistic dude as you never seen one quite like it (plus fearful and paranoid -- "the bullies are after me to destroy my lifework"!) The photos show an old man with gray hair. He looks sad. I sincerely say it with sadness: N0rm was bullied in his early life much more than normally (all kids are bullied to various degrees... there are always bullies to the bullies, to the bullies...)

That's the main reason why the narcissistic dude has always claimed resemblance to famous persons. He touted that people confused him for the great JIMMY PAGE of LED ZEPPELIN fame! Now, another mook in N0rm's forum draws resemblance between Norman Wattenberger and the actor Ben Kingsley (as to satisfy the Gandhi's avatar that N0rm "inherits" without merit)!

Just look at this picture! What's wrong with that picture? Resembling Jimmy Page or Ben Kingsley or Gandhi? That's grotesquely insane... as any '911 conspiracy theory where Dubya resembles JFK!

N0rm has short gray hair. When his hair was dark, it was short -- far from Jimmy Page's hair! Not to mention that Gandhi was always a SKINHEAD!

And, hey, N0rm has a... GIRLfriend (GF)! A 65-year old mook with... girls? Mature men say LADY FRIEND, not GIRL! Pedophile, anyone? BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

http://saliu.com/ScreenImgs/NormW/NormWattNDHHair.gif


IV. Just a few hours ago, I searched low and high on "Norm Watt" at Facebook. I just posted a link in my today's posts on "Norm Watt". There was no such person on Facebook! Google couldn't find one, either. By the way, Google found another person with some musical fame: Norman Watt-Roy! No top-search-results had anything to do with THE Norman Wattenberger!

https://www.google.com/search?q=norm+watt+facebook&oq=norm+watt&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i59j69i65l2j69i60.2670j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

Now, a few hours later, I rediscovered the Norm Watt and his real photos -- representing THE Norman Wattenberger!

Where are you Gandhi, Jimmy Page... Norman Watt-Roy? O tempora! O mores!

http://saliu.com/ScreenImgs/NormW/NormWattFBPic.gif



V. What's your point, drunky monkey (Automatic Monkey)? (The Grifter will give you the scientific explanation; the early humans evolved at a faster pace because of rudimentary alcohol production and mind-altering).

A Facebook page was attacked by one NORM WATT speaking for NORMAN WATTENBERGER.

Did Norman Wattenberger hijack the Facebook account of another person who goes by the real name of Norm Watt? That's an even graver act -- from misdemeanor to FELONY (identity theft).

Also, did Norman Wattenberger fake the photos or assume the photos were his? That's not as grave -- Norman Wattenberger assumed Gandhi's photo in over 4000 posts in his own forum!

Said one Zengrifter:
"Norm.Watt.3 is clearly a Norman Wattenberger page ... BUT it is in violation of FaceBook TOS!! (oy vey!)
I have taken the liberty of flagging the account for REMOVAL from FB!"

http://www.zenzoneforum.com/threads/26485-Ion-Saliu-(aka-Parpaluck)-Your-Humble-Zen-Musician-amp-Gambling-System-Innovator?p=212321#post212321


Automatic Monkey - PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THAT BARREL OF WHISKEY!

"If that actually was him..." So, you lied when you first said "That's not him... NOT Norman Wattenberger"! See what happens when you frequent a place for pathological lying?!

My post that triggered your drunky-monkey overreaction pointed out N0rm's condition of narcissistic pathological lying. "One-third-down long hair à la Jimmy Page and Gandhi(?) ... just shortened his hair to please his "girlfriend" (as real as that mummy in Norman Bates' arms)..."

That's sick and sickening! Looks like I accomplished another therapeutic feast. N0rm will close that sick place! He just changed his signature to:
"My fortune cookie said "Never start a forum". I shoulda listened."

N0rm also cries wolf:
"This site is costing me a fortune."

Say, what? The vBulletin forum software only requires a one-time fee of $140 (the version N0rm is running, 4.x.x). He mostly posts one-sentence messages, even one-word crap. What's so COSTLY about that?

Not to mention that over 50% of N0rm's "contributions" take advantage of a freebie created by two different authors: The mote in God's eye. N0rm doesn't pay the true authors one penny!!!

That's sick and sickening!

Where are you Gandhi? Your photo is worth much more than one thousand words! O tempora! O mores!


VI. "Bjarg, a casino mole at N0rm's forum, wrote - I suggest you start worrying less about what other people do and start looking at yourself. Get a life.

I respect Norm (even though I have A LOT of differences with him and the way he does things), and I also respect almost everybody here who like me dont see things eye to eye with him.

But you my friend, YOU are an idiot."

Yet another abNORMal afflict! Infected by the same N0rm of narcissistic hypocrisy:
"But you my friend, YOU are an idiot."

N0rm always transfers his characteristics to me or other guys. He has claimed I attacked him, when he was the only one who attacked me in a dozen emails. Norm has claimed that Zengrifter has had the intent to destroy N0rm's lifework. In fact, Morman is the only one that filed numerous takedown notices against this very ZenZone forum. Matter of fact, this very ZenZone forum and the Parpaluck forum were taken down for days! Yet, Zengrifter and Parpaluck never filed takedown notices against THE Norman Wattenberger forum! N0rm's forum has always been up and running. As a short aside, Norman Wattenberger has been fortunate so far for not being hit by consequences on the grounds of abusing the laws.

So, this is the law you should take to your igloo, Bjarg:
YOU are an idiot.

PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THAT BARREL OF VODKA MIXED WITH KAT URINE! INSTEAD, PLUNGE IT IN THAT BUCKET OF ICE!

Get a life -- but not on thin on ice!


VII. Says the N0rm at 01:25 PM (not my time... BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!) -

"... false accusations of takedown notices and knocking ZZ off the air. ZZ often goes off the air. Each time, ZG suggests I did it. Total lie."

QED (it's in Latin, N0rm... ask Asslan for a quick translation... he is not banished in your hou' of lies!)

Zengrifter posted copies of emails from his webhosting company as a result of your insistent takedown notices! At least once, from what I witnessed, the ZenZone was suspended. You claimed in an email (everything secret, of course) to Katz that ZZ was suspended because Marcus Dalton has the habit of not paying his bills! In truth, zenzone.com had more than a month before renewal (July 2014... now July 2015).

"Pedophile, anyone?" BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

That's called SATIRE, stupidiot! It is sarcasm targeted at ridiculous lying: A 65-YEAR OLD MAN (CARRYING A MEDICARE CARD) WITH A GIRLFRIEND... possibly known as 'The Beautiful GF'. BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

I have written this just for you, N0RM. I am glad you follow me religiously, Noitser... vBulletin forums, Facebook, Twitter, ZenZone,... SALIU.COM of course! I'll take extra credit for my therapeutic feast: I lighten you up! For you are in this uptight situation -

"Careful with the jokes though! N0rm is the fastest human in history to be killed by joking! N0rm was also the fastest human in history to be killed by a formula (FFG): It took him 14 years, 13 months, 33 days, 28 hours, 69 minutes, 666 seconds... and "counting"...
BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!"

You sez:
"3. I am the only person with that name [Norman Wattenberger] in the country."

Before my site takedown, the NORMAN WATTENBERGER search query appeared some 10 times on Google. I enhanced it to 40 Google searches a month! That's quadruple (Aslan will translate for you again... BRRRRRRRRAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!)

http://saliu.com/images/google-search-ion-saliu-norman-wattenberger.gif

Chances are Norman Wattenberger will close his forum. The hypocrite cries that he must do so because of the Zengrifter's attacks. Say, what? N0rm doesn't get now more than 20 searches a month! What "destruction effect" could The Grifter possibly have (an ex-con man convicted by the U.S. government but served a lenient term for his cooperation with the feds)?

The truth behind a possible shutdown of Norm Watt's forums is BJ CARD-COUNTING DECEPTION. More and more people put the squeeze on them card-counting gurus (read: CROOKOOS). More notorious counting krookoos, like Arnold Snyder and Ken Smith, already closed their respective forums. Only the forum of a serious card-counting krookoo remains open: Stanford Wong (the same mole who testified for them kasinos in the lawsuit filed by another card counter, Anthony Campione). N0rm is just a worm, as far as forums go...


Parpaluck,
Paparazzo At-Large

rea...@saliu.com

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More RGB (rec.gambling.blackjack) posts related to the CHARACTERS in this screenplay (to beat the 21 movie by miles... "I can see for miles, and miles, and miles..." The Who) --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0iqg2UanEc
(The Who - "I Can See For Miles" on YouTube)

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.gambling.blackjack/u2Hr9Ft0bpA%5B1-25-false%5D
("Doug Grant on Norman Wattenberger")

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.blackjack/g9Iaj0I1yNI
("Card Counter Catchers Speak!")

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.blackjack/R4xBiDC5MYc
("rec.gambling.blackjack Doug Grant FAQ")

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.blackjack/D1x78ph0veU
("Emphasis on gambling mathematics")

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.blackjack/nKmX1IGV8D8
(""Holy Rollers, The True Story Of Card Counting")

rea...@saliu.com

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On Friday, October 24, 2014 2:23:21 PM UTC-4, rea...@saliu.com wrote:
> Axiomatic Colleagues of Mine:
>
> Them card-counting afflicts (APs!!!) have always conducted wars against one another!
>
(snip)

Gambling Psychosis

The aforementioned characters here call themselves APs. Their forums have also places designated as AP. Normal people, who are not in the blackjack card-counting cult, might wonder what AP stands for.

AP = Arithmetical Psychotic.

The so-called Arithmetic Psychotics (APs) are those weird people you might have seen praying in the casino (even in the restrooms!) If you can discreetly come close to an AP, you might here their famous "The Prayer of High Count". The AP prayer goes like this:

"Lordy, Lordy,
Gimme PLUS 40!"

Ion Saliu,
Founder of Blackjack Mathematics
http://saliu.com/bbs/messages/274.html
("Blackjack, Gambling Mathematics, Card Counting Deception, Mythology")


ions...@gmail.com

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On Friday, October 24, 2014 at 2:23:21 PM UTC-4, Parpaluck wrote:
> Axiomatic Colleagues of Mine:
>
> Them card-counting afflicts have always conducted wars against one another! Just look in this very newsgroup -- vociferous card-counting gurus witnessing for the casinos in a lawsuit filed by a BJ card-counter, Campione (Arnold Snyder, Stanford Wong, etc. - developers and vendors of card-counting training materials and casino witnesses).
>

The 2016 edition has two new comers and most of the same crew.

Norm = Psychorm
Bozo = Psychozo
Tthree = Psychoodoo

The sidelines are jam-packed with witnesses and various experts.

The odds of winning chances for each faction and the payouts are the duty of:
Wizard of Odds = Psychodd

The awaken Zen housekeeper:
Dalton = Psychalton

http://www.zenzoneforum.com/threads/28708-Psychoberger-Wars

ions...@gmail.com

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Jul 18, 2016, 8:04:14 PM7/18/16
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On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 8:02:19 PM UTC-4, iParpaluck wrote:
> On Friday, October 24, 2014 at 2:23:21 PM UTC-4, Parpaluck wrote:

This is SPOOFING on a biblical scale!

I wrote on Facebook about a Norm Watt who attacked me as if he were Norman Wattenberger:

http://www.facebook.com/LotteryPowerballMillionsSoftware/posts/621651124572348

One “Norm Watt” attacked me hinting at being Norman Wattenberger. I, you, Druggy Monkey, the grifters believed Norm Watt was a fake Wattenberger used as a mask. I just found out it was SPOOF! N0rm spoofed a real person, Norm Watt.

Norm Watt has children named Watt. But Norm Watt is in no way, shape, or form THE Norman Wattenberger who attacked me (and has no kids!) Possibly Facebook removed the spoofed account; or, Norman Wattenberger removed his fake account fearing consequences.

A family drawn in a nasty “cyber war”:
http://www.facebook.com/stephwatt13/posts/10153440469980383

An image of the Norm Watt spoofed by Norman Wattenberger:
http://saliu.com/ScreenImgs/NormW/NormWattFBPic.gif

ions...@gmail.com

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From: blackjewelack

It seems to me that every gambling forum is filled with psychotics, not only APs as you put it. I’ve been in the Zenzone and Norm’s and Wongs and a few other. But ZZ and Wattenberger’s are unbelievably mad. Both have a common character: Tthree.

That Tthree hermaphrodite looked down on me in Wattenberger’s forums. I wanted to say something about his madness, but Norm “Gandhi” punishes you if you say something bad (but truthful) about Tthree. Norman Wattenberger’s indiscriminate about banning. He did ban big psychos like Boz, but also a decent poster KJ.

A few of us thought Tthree was actually Norm Wattenberger. Both are obviously irrational clinically. But I think Norm is paranoid while Tthree is schizophrenic. Tthree is in deep hallucinatory states. Just look what and how he writes:

“It is the amount of money you would take per hour guaranteed to not take the risk of winning and losing. It indicates the certainty of BR growth. Many feel CE is the most important stat to maximize. Others believe it is SCORE. While others maximize EV. My play is all about increasing certainty and I want the highest assurance my BR will grow steadily so I maximize CE. I do look closely at SCORE and EV though.”

“Take the risk of winning and losing.” WHAT?

blackjewelack
“The best count is 1+2+3+4+5+6=21.”

ions...@gmail.com

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On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 5:34:31 PM UTC-4, ions...@gmail.com wrote:
> From: blackjewelack
>
> It seems to me that every gambling forum is filled with psychotics, not only APs as you put it. I’ve been in the Zenzone and Norm’s and Wongs and a few other. But ZZ and Wattenberger’s are unbelievably mad. Both have a common character: Tthree.
>
> That Tthree hermaphrodite looked down on me in Wattenberger’s forums. I wanted to say something about his madness, but Norm “Gandhi” punishes you if you say something bad (but truthful) about Tthree. Norman Wattenberger’s indiscriminate about banning. He did ban big psychos like Boz (bipolar disorder), but also a decent poster KJ.
>
> A few of us thought Tthree was actually Norm Wattenberger. Both are obviously irrational clinically. But I think Norm is paranoid while Tthree is schizophrenic. Tthree is in deep hallucinatory states. Just look what and how he writes:
>
> “It is the amount of money you would take per hour guaranteed to not take the risk of winning and losing. It indicates the certainty of BR growth. Many feel CE is the most important stat to maximize. Others believe it is SCORE. While others maximize EV. My play is all about increasing certainty and I want the highest assurance my BR will grow steadily so I maximize CE. I do look closely at SCORE and EV though.”
>
> “Take the risk of winning and losing.” WHAT?
>
> blackjewelack
> “The best count is 1+2+3+4+5+6=21.”

You right about it, axiomático. PSYCHOSIS IS RAMPANT IN GAMBLING FORUMS. No doubt about it, especially with regards blackjack card-counting. Losing a lot of money is TRAUMATIC. The losers get afflicted, by bipolar disorder and/or manic depression. The gambling addicts aggravate their condition by resorting heavily to drugs and alcohol.

BTW: Your signature is right regarding blackjack, but wrong when it comes to lotto. 21 is the worst sum to play. The lottonistas debate that issue with the much ardor:
http://saliu.com/bbs/messages/961.html


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ions...@gmail.com

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On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 7:49:02 PM UTC-4, ions...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, July 21, 2016 at 5:34:31 PM UTC-4, ions...@gmail.com wrote:
> > From: blackjewelack
> >
> > It seems to me that every gambling forum is filled with psychotics, not only APs as you put it. I’ve been in the Zenzone and Norm’s and Wongs and a few other. But ZZ and Wattenberger’s are unbelievably mad. Both have a common character: Tthree.
> >
> > That Tthree hermaphrodite looked down on me in Wattenberger’s forums. I wanted to say something about his madness, but Norm “Gandhi” punishes you if you say something bad (but truthful) about Tthree. Norman Wattenberger’s indiscriminate about banning. He did ban big psychos like Boz (bipolar disorder), but also a decent poster KJ.
> >
> > A few of us thought Tthree was actually Norm Wattenberger. Both are obviously irrational clinically. But I think Norm is paranoid while Tthree is schizophrenic. Tthree is in deep hallucinatory states. Just look what and how he writes:
> >
> > “It is the amount of money you would take per hour guaranteed to not take the risk of winning and losing. It indicates the certainty of BR growth. Many feel CE is the most important stat to maximize. Others believe it is SCORE. While others maximize EV. My play is all about increasing certainty and I want the highest assurance my BR will grow steadily so I maximize CE. I do look closely at SCORE and EV though.”
> >
> > “Take the risk of winning and losing.” WHAT?
> >
> > blackjewelack
> > “The best count is 1+2+3+4+5+6=21.”
>
> You right about it, axiomático. PSYCHOSIS IS RAMPANT IN GAMBLING FORUMS. No doubt about it, especially with regards blackjack card-counting. Losing a lot of money is TRAUMATIC. The losers get afflicted, by bipolar disorder and/or manic depression. The gambling addicts aggravate their condition by resorting heavily to drugs and alcohol.
>

Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) can be also caused by card-counting.

Gamblers have very high expectations regarding counting cards in blackjack. They pay serious money in a plethora of training materials. The players also put up an extraordinary effort to learn card counting. It is really hard. Unscrupulous system vendors make card counting even more difficult by inventing all kinds of insane schemes named “systems”.

After all that “concussion-inducing” training camp, the gamblers go to the casinos with extremely high-hopes. They lose big moneys, because that’s a mathematical law. They bet much higher in ALL plus-counts situations — and they lose a MAJORITY of such cases. The unscrupulous system vendors always shield themselves behind the “negative variance” syndrome. Of course, “negative variance” is an oxymoron. Variance is always a POSITIVE number: Equals the square of standard deviation:
http://saliu.com/bbs/messages/274.html#deception

Thusly, card-counting turns into a traumatic experience step by step –

1) Pay big-money to acquire training materials in blackjack card-counting;
2) Fry one’s brain in exhausting training, especially learning many insanely-difficult counting systems;
3) Make ‘bonehead plays’ to follow another insane rule “Hide that one is a card-counter”;
4) Lose big monies in actual casino play, while expecting big dividends.

Card-counters could do a favor to society by donating their brains to medical research.

Ion Saliu

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Ion Saliu

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On Friday, October 24, 2014 at 7:16:41 PM UTC-4, Ion Saliu wrote:
> On Friday, October 24, 2014 2:23:21 PM UTC-4, rea...@saliu.com wrote:
> > Axiomatic Colleagues of Mine:
> >
> > Them card-counting afflicts (APs!!!) have always conducted wars against one another!
> >
> (snip)
>
> Gambling Psychosis
>
> The aforementioned characters here call themselves APs. Their forums have also places designated as AP. Normal people, who are not in the blackjack card-counting cult, might wonder what AP stands for.
>
> AP = Arithmetical Psychotic.
>
> The so-called Arithmetic Psychotics (APs) are those weird people you might have seen praying in the casino (even in the restrooms!) If you can discreetly come close to an AP, you might hear their famous "The Prayer of High Count". The AP prayer goes like this:
>
> "Lordy, Lordy,
> Gimme PLUS 40!"
>
> Ion Saliu,
> Founder of Blackjack Mathematics
> http://saliu.com/bbs/messages/274.html
> ("Blackjack, Gambling Mathematics, Card Counting Deception, Mythology")

The fraud of card-counting has been exposed in this very blackjack newsgroup:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.blackjack/g9Iaj0I1yNI
(Card Counter Catchers Speak!)

The author was himself a card-counter, even instructor of blackjack counting systems, even developer of card-counting systems:

“Also consider THIS DEPOSITION WAS TAKEN IN 1994. Since that date, the casinos have gone high-tech. So if you thought that Max Rubin's description of how suspect card counters were identified then, you should hear how much easier it is for casinos today to label anyone a card counter in less than five minutes.

Card counting systems are a BIG CON. Max Rubin's (a.k.a. Mike Riordan) sworn testimony (and dozens of other similar depositions provided to the courts by other-card counter catchers during the Campione case) provides irrefutable proof that the authors and software hucksters have been lying all along. They are using the fraudulent claim that card counting systems can still win to sell their worthless and dangerous systems, books and software.

This post provides clear proof the con men hucksters and casino agents are lying to this newsgroup and their sucker clients.”

Ion Saliu

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Jul 4, 2018, 6:11:18 PM7/4/18
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The gambling forums, especially those dedicated to blackjack and card counting are absolutely PATHETIC these days. Some of them had the decency to close down. But one notable gambling forum founded on the decrepit card counting is noisier than ever. It even makes terroristic threats against those “idealists” who dare to deviate from the counting-cards catechism:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.blackjack/ALKEZOXuqU4

Textbook delirious speech is rampant, especially lamentables such as Lady Three, ZenMasterFlush (the toilet?), Don Schlesinger… of course, the master of the madhouse himself, Norman Wattenberger (royalty name Shkiottorban)…

Ion Saliu

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Nov 30, 2018, 6:10:22 PM11/30/18
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On Friday, October 24, 2014 at 7:16:41 PM UTC-4, Ion Saliu wrote:
> On Friday, October 24, 2014 2:23:21 PM UTC-4, rea...@saliu.com wrote:
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>… updating links to HTTPS…
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> > Them card-counting afflicts (APs!!!) have always conducted wars against one another!
> >
> (snip)
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> Gambling Psychosis
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> The aforementioned characters here call themselves APs. Their forums have also places designated as AP. Normal people, who are not in the blackjack card-counting cult, might wonder what AP stands for.
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> AP = Arithmetical Psychotic.
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> The so-called Arithmetic Psychotics (APs) are those weird people you might have seen praying in the casino (even in the restrooms!) If you can discreetly come close to an AP, you might here their famous "The Prayer of High Count". The AP prayer goes like this:
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> "Lordy, Lordy,
> Gimme PLUS 40!"
>
Ion Saliu,
Founder of Blackjack Mathematics
https://saliu.com/bbs/messages/274.html
"Blackjack, Gambling Mathematics, Card Counting Deception, Mythology".

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Ion Saliu

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Apr 22, 2019, 1:59:02 PM4/22/19
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The “hit-and-stand-in-hole” psycho described his residence best — the “Norman Bates Motel”:

"THE LUNATICS ARE BEGINNING TO RUN THE ASYLUM."

An asylum, indeed. Proofs here:

https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/showthread.php?42153-Why-bother-doubling

https://saliu.com/ScreenImgs/NormW/DSchlesAsylum.gif

The Don of psychosis refers to new lunatics. He is chronic and he’s been running that asylum for over a decade now. He proves his protracted condition in that very thread. Psychodon, a blackjack “Hall of Famer”, states that doubling down results in more losing hands but winning more money!!! How is that for mathematics from a self-proclaimed “expert” blackjack mathematician??? Lose more hands but win more money!

In truth, doubling down in blackjack results in around 60% winning hands. That’s the reason doubling down is strongly advised under clear circumstances. Read real mathematics:

https://forums.saliu.com/card-counting-blackjack.html#reversedcounting
Blackjack Double-Down Hands, Reversed Count.

Ion Saliu

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Apr 22, 2019, 8:59:44 PM4/22/19
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> The “hit-and-stand-in-hole” psycho described his residence best — the “Norman Bates Motel”:
>
> "THE LUNATICS ARE BEGINNING TO RUN THE ASYLUM."
>
> An asylum, indeed. Proofs here:
>
> https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/showthread.php?42153-Why-bother-doubling
>
> https://saliu.com/ScreenImgs/NormW/DSchlesAsylum.gif
>
> The Don of psychosis refers to new lunatics. He is chronic and he’s been running that asylum for over a decade now. He proves his protracted condition in that very thread. Psychodon, a blackjack “Hall of Famer”, states that doubling down results in more losing hands but winning more money!!! How is that for mathematics from a self-proclaimed “expert” blackjack mathematician??? Lose more hands but win more money!
>
> In truth, doubling down in blackjack results in around 60% winning hands. That’s the reason doubling down is strongly advised under clear circumstances. Read real mathematics:
>
> https://forums.saliu.com/card-counting-blackjack.html#reversedcounting
> Blackjack Double-Down Hands, Reversed Count.

Norman Wattenberger und Don Schlesinger form the “Berlin Wall” of The Asylum.

Norman Bates is also in the habit of dumping evidence in the swamp nearby. Therefore saving proofs is in tall order. Here is how PsychoDon reckons the “math” of doubling down in blackjack:

• “If there is more money to be made by doubling, do you have a different goal? Would you prefer to win more hands but less money or FEWER HANDS AND MORE MONEY? Do you derive your satisfaction from winning the greatest number of hands or the most amount of money? If not the latter, consider quitting the game.”

It ain’t “fewer” hands, stupidiot! The players WIN around 60% of their double-down hands. That means they WIN MORE DOUBLE-DOWN HANDS. And that’s why they WIN MORE MONEY WHEN DOUBLING DOWN! 60% is greater than 50%.

https://saliu.com/ScreenImgs/NormW/DSchlesDoublingMadness.gif

Ion Saliu

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Jul 5, 2019, 5:59:47 AM7/5/19
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Still, so many suckers out there who fall for what the crooks and cuckoos featured in this thread sell! You simply can’t win with the traditional counting method. You increase your bet in all “plus-count” situations. In fact, you lose because the losing situations are more numerous than the winning cases. One of the reasons: multiple players at the same table.

https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-best-method-of-counting-cards-while-playing
• What's the best method of counting cards while playing?

Ion Saliu

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Jun 5, 2020, 8:38:51 AM6/5/20
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You can get lost easily in public forums like this Usenet group. THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY POSTS!!!

To solve the problem, I created a thread referring to the most relevant articles, materials, debates, systems, fights, etc. I keep it updated and make sure it shows at the top of this Google group:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.blackjack/yHJJBp0F9OU
• The Best RGB Posts All-Matters Blackjack, Strategies, Systems, Card Counting, Inevitable Fights.

Ion Saliu (royalty-name: Parpaluck),
Founder of Blackjack Mathematics

https://saliu.com/bbs/messages/274.html
• Blackjack Card Counting: Systems, Gambling Mathematics, Cult, Fraud, Deception.

https://saliu.com/card-counter-catchers.html
• Developers, authors, vendors of card counting systems for blackjack make money by testifying against… card-counters!


Ion Saliu

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Sep 20, 2020, 11:39:39 AM9/20/20
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At least, some (in)famous krookoos fess up.

Sez BJ Bishop Arnold Snyder, “Casino Player Magazine, November 1997”:

“When I self-published my first book, ‘The Blackjack Formula’, in 1980, and advertised it in Gambling Times magazine with the catchy, upbeat slogan: ‘Card Counters Beware’ … stating in the ad that most of the blackjack games available in the casinos of the world were unbeatable with any card counting system … It is easier to make a living writing about this game [blackjack] than it is playing it. I have tried both, and I much prefer the keyboard to the cold green felt.”

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.gambling.blackjack/pcDm82yV56A
• “The Candor of Famous Blackjack Card Counters”


Ion Saliu

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Mar 26, 2023, 7:49:26 AM3/26/23
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Search-engine programming advanced with rapid paces. Now, they can interact with Netizens almost like human beings. There are AI chatbots that behave in the manner of human researchers. I tested two AI chatbots on ‘Ion Saliu’ and ‘Blackjack, Gambling’.

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.gambling.blackjack/c/DmzAO0X3GMw
• Artificial Intelligence, Blackjack, Gambling: Chatbots, Ion Saliu.
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