Pro BEEF
Kevin M. Hebert
Lloyd Sargent <ca...@bga.com> wrote:
>I've got a kick-ass tofu green enchilada recipe that fooled my carnivore
>neighbors (they thought it was chicken).
Cool. You should post it. I love enchiladas!
>Isn't being pro-beef being anti-life (ya gotta kill a cow to get it!).
We have to kill to live. There was a great "Bloom County" cartoon several
years ago that basically stated this. First the gang gave up meat, because
it kills animals. Then they gave up eating altogether, because it kills
plants. Then they tried not to breathe, because of the millions of bacteria
that your body kills.
Who is to say which form of life is better than another? If it is wrong
to kill a cow, then what makes killing a broccoli plant right? It is
my belief that, since we are at the top of the food chain, we have the
right to make any use we feel is necessary from the bottom. However, this
also gives us the responsibility to protect what is beneath us.
-- KMH
rhaw...@iastate.edu
Kevin M. Hebert <kmhe...@seas.gwu.edu> wrote:
>It is
>my belief that, since we are at the top of the food chain, we have the
>right to make any use we feel is necessary from the bottom.
I'm still hunting in vain (or vein, in this case :) for a bumper sticker
reading "Top of the Food Chain and Proud" or "The Food Chain: Love it
or Leave it"
A couple of years ago, my Nevada paper reported an altercation at the
Iowa State Fair, in which PETA was outraged that the Pork Queen had the
audacity to throw pies back at them. Two years later, at the fair, I
was stunned to see a both selling PETA sweatshirts & t shirts. Until I
got closer. The little line below read "People for the Eating of Tasty
Animals." My wife made me buy one. THen it had a tragic accident in
the wash, shrinking from my size to hers . . . oh, well, next year . . .
--
R E HAWKINS
rhaw...@iastate.edu
Peter R Cook
Great stuff.
I wonder if liberals eat veal. 8-)
--
Peter R. Cook p...@world.std.com PRC Records Owner.
PRC Records pc...@tdh.qntm.com System Software Engineer.
Marlborough, MA USA Up The Irons! Drummer.
Dr. Jai Maharaj
U.S. Physicians Say Meat | Recent Nutritional Research
Not Necessary, | Affirms Superiority of the
Actually Harmful | Vegetarian Diet for Humans
Thirty-five years ago the US Department of Agriculture said we
should daily eat from four food groups: 1. meat, fish and poultry; 2.
grains; 3. dairy products; and 4. fruits and vegetables.
On April 9, 1991 the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,
a prestigious non-profit organization active in health and research
policy and based in Washington, D.C., said basing our diet on those
groups not only will not ensure adequate nutrition, consumption of meat,
fish, poultry and dairy products actually causes disease.
Instead PCRM recommends a "New Four Food Groups." They are: 1.
fruits; 2. grains; 3. vegetables; and 4. legumes.
This is a very significant development for vegetarians whose
traditional vegetarian diet -- which easily fulfills the requirements of
the "new" groups -- has been under attack in many countries by physicians
sharing the common ignorance of modern medicine toward diet.
For example, numerous physicians have insisted that mothers feed
their children meat -- "A real mistake," says Dr. Neal Barnard, leading
to all sorts of diseases such as colic, juvenile diabetes, diarrhea and
later problems such as cancer of the colon. Dr. Devananda Tandavan
points out that the average doctor in America has had almost no training
whatsoever in nutrition by the time he has finished medical school and
may remain ignorant for the rest of his professional life on the
importance of diet for good health.
Though others have made similar recommendations to revise the
American diet, none have done so with quite the authority of the
4,000-plus member PCRM. The committee's president, Dr. Neal D. Barnard
- -- himself a vegetarian -- is a director of Behavioral Studies at the
Institute for Disease Prevention at George Washington University.
PCRM members instrumental in formulating the new food groups include
Dr. T. Colin Campbell, Professor of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell
University and Director of the massive China Health Project.
Collaborator Dr. Oliver Alabaster is Director of the Institute for
Disease Prevention at the George Washington University.
How did we end up with such a poor choice of food groups 35 years
ago? Inadequate nutritional research for one thing. But more
insidiously, since food guides were first established in 1916, there has
been a tendency to give animal products a "preferred" designation. "This
element of food guides has persisted until the present time, due in part
to the intensive lobbying efforts of the food industry, and despite
evidence of the adverse health effects of such foods, " says the PCRM
report.
The situation is similar to the tobacco industry's continual denial
of the harmful effects of smoking. In response to the four new food
groups, a former US Secretary of Agriculture, John R. Block (president of
the National American Wholesale Grocers' Association and a pig farmer in
Illinois) denounced the committee's recommendations as the "height of
irresponsibility."
Other reactions focused more on the difficulty of altering the food
habits of the steak- and hamburger-eating American public than on the
scientific validity of the new diet.
PCRM attacks the old, traditional four food groups on three major
fronts. First, they say, "The old food groups fail to assure nutritional
adequacy." The four food groups were established according to the
understanding of nutritional needs in 1953. Since that time, the
required daily allowances (RDA's) for protein, vitamins, minerals, etc.
have been extensively revised and expanded. A 1978 study showed that only
9 of the 17 RDA's were met by the typical diet based on the old groups.
The second problem is that "The old four food groups fail to
adequately address the current dietary problems of our population."
Specifically, the the 1977-78 Nationwide Food Consumption Survey
indicates that Americans who eat diets based on the four food groups
consume an excessive amount of fat."
Studies show that dietary fat and associated consumption of excess
protein is related to breast cancer, heart disease, obesity, kidney
disease and osteoporosis, to name a few.
Third, states the PCRM, "The old four food groups serve to
misinform consumers about some aspects of nutrition. Two of the four
food groups -- meats and dairy products -- are clearly not necessary for
health and, in fact, may be detrimental to health. . . . Populations with
the lowest rates of heart disease, colon and breast cancer, and obesity
consume very little meat or no meat at all."
The PCRM concludes that "The average adult can meet nutrient needs
by consuming five servings of grains, three servings of legumes, three
servings of vegetables and three servings of fruits each day."
The New Four Food Groups
Whole Grains: This group includes rice, bread, pasta, hot or cold
cereal, corn, millet, barley, bulgur, buckwheat groats
and tortillas. Build each of your meals around a
hearty grain dish. Grains are rich in fiber and other
complex carbohydrates, as well as proteins, B vitamins
and zinc.
Vegetables: Vegetables are packed with nutrients; they provide
vitamin C, beta-carotene, riboflavin and other
vitamins, iron, calcium and fiber. Dark green, leafy
vegetables such as broccoli, collards, kale, mustard
and turnip greens, chicory or bok choy are especially
good ources of of these important nutrients. Dark
yellow and orange vegetables such as carrots, winter
squash, sweet potatoes and pumpkin provide extra
beta-carotene. Include generous portions or a variety
of vegetables in your diet.
Legumes: Legumes, which is another name for beans, peas and
lentils, are all good sources of fiber, protein, iron,
calcium, zinc and B vitamins. This group also includes
the daals in Indian cuisine, pulses, chickpeas, baked
and refried beans, soy milk, tofu, and texturized
vegetable protein.
Fruit: Fruits are rich in fiber, vitamin C and beta-carotene.
Be sure to include at least one serving each day of
fruits that are high in vitamin C -- citrus fruits,
melons and strawberries are all good choices. Choose
whole fruit over fruit juices, which don't contain as
much healthy fiber.
| Number of |
Food Group | Servings | Typical Items and Serving Size
- - - - - - | - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Whole Grains | 5 or more | 1/2 cup hot cereal + 1 ounce dry cereal
| | + 1 slice of bread
- - - - - - | - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Vegetables | 3 or more | 1 cup raw + 1/2 cup cooked
- - - - - - | - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Legumes | 2 to 3 | 1/2 cup cooked beans + 4 ounces tofu or
| | tempeh
- - - - - - | - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Fruits | 3 or more | 1 medium piece of fruit + 1/2 cup cooked
| | fruit
Be sure to include a good source of vitamin B-12, such as fortified
cereals and vitamin supplements.
* Based on a 1991 article in Hinduism Today *
For a free, 3-month delivery of the full-color international journal
established in 1979, send your name and postal address to
hind...@mcimail.com
Sorry, U.S. addresses only.
Last year in Hawaii, we started perhaps the nation's only
govenment-sponsored campaign to include more plant-based foods in
our diet.
The taxpayer-funded nutritional education program targets kids and
parents alike in our public school system.
What is more, the Physicians Commitee for Responsible Medicine,
Washington, D.C., has concluded that not only is an animal-based
diet unnecessary, but is actually harmful.
The benefits of the healthy, plant-based food culture contrast
sharply the terrorism the animal-eating habit wages on our body,
others and the environment. That is a future we can all live with.
*-=Om Shanti=-* Jai Maharaj
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Gaius Valerius Catullus
kmhe...@seas.gwu.edu (Kevin M. Hebert) writes:
> We have to kill to live. There was a great "Bloom County" cartoon several
> years ago that basically stated this. First the gang gave up meat, because
> it kills animals. Then they gave up eating altogether, because it kills
> plants. Then they tried not to breathe, because of the millions of bacteria
> that your body kills.
Kevin, do yourself and everyone here a favor and quash this debate NOW
unless you want this thread to degenerate into a fight over the
"morality" (whatever that's got to do with it) of eating meat.
Remember the last time that happened?
K R Paarlberg
>In article <D4o10...@world.std.com>, Peter R Cook <p...@world.std.com> wrote:
>> I'm not only pro-beef, I'm pro-veal. I eat at least once a week.
>>
>> Great stuff.
>>
>> I wonder if liberals eat veal. 8-)
>>
>>
>>--
>>Peter R. Cook p...@world.std.com PRC Records Owner.
>>PRC Records pc...@tdh.qntm.com System Software Engineer.
>>Marlborough, MA USA Up The Irons! Drummer.
>
>
> U.S. Physicians Say Meat | Recent Nutritional Research
> Not Necessary, | Affirms Superiority of the
> Actually Harmful | Vegetarian Diet for Humans
>
> Thirty-five years ago the US Department of Agriculture said we
>should daily eat from four food groups: 1. meat, fish and poultry; 2.
>grains; 3. dairy products; and 4. fruits and vegetables.
>
> On April 9, 1991 the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,
>a prestigious non-profit organization active in health and research
>policy and based in Washington, D.C., said basing our diet on those
>groups not only will not ensure adequate nutrition, consumption of meat,
>fish, poultry and dairy products actually causes disease.
>
4-4-3-2 that I remember.
>
> The PCRM concludes that "The average adult can meet nutrient needs
>by consuming five servings of grains, three servings of legumes, three
>servings of vegetables and three servings of fruits each day."
>
milk group? Don't we need calcium?
>
> * Based on a 1991 article in Hinduism Today *
Could this have something to do with promoting a religious view rather than
a health view? I don't know any Hindus who would even think of eating beef.
Kevin M. Hebert
>a prestigious non-profit organization active in health and research
>policy and based in Washington, D.C., said basing our diet on those
>groups not only will not ensure adequate nutrition, consumption of meat,
>fish, poultry and dairy products actually causes disease.
Oh, really? What kinds of diseases?
> Instead PCRM recommends a "New Four Food Groups." They are: 1.
>fruits; 2. grains; 3. vegetables; and 4. legumes.
Legumes. McDonald's makes a double Quarter Pounder hamburger, and this man
wants me to eat legumes.
> Though others have made similar recommendations to revise the
>American diet, none have done so with quite the authority of the
>4,000-plus member PCRM.
4,000! Whoa! I'm putting my steak down right now!
>The committee's president, Dr. Neal D. Barnard
>- -- himself a vegetarian -- is a director of Behavioral Studies at the
>Institute for Disease Prevention at George Washington University.
George Washington University?!?! What does HE know? =)
> How did we end up with such a poor choice of food groups 35 years
>ago? Inadequate nutritional research for one thing. But more
>insidiously, since food guides were first established in 1916, there has
>been a tendency to give animal products a "preferred" designation. "This
>element of food guides has persisted until the present time, due in part
>to the intensive lobbying efforts of the food industry, and despite
>evidence of the adverse health effects of such foods, " says the PCRM
>report.
Yeah, but it tastes so good! Well worth a few health problems. I'd rather
live to be sixty, and live well, than live to 100 with a belly full of
legumes.
[list of bad things about meat deleted]
Doctor, I agree with you that meat is unhealthy. However, I (and I think
my peers on alt.mcdonalds will agree) don't care. I know it's bad for me,
but so are a lot of things! In fact, the air I breathe in this city is
full of pollutants that are absolutely not good for me. The trade off is
attending a school in a big city. There are always tradeoffs in life. I
trade cholesterol-free blood for enjoying a burger or steak now and then.
Don't get me wrong; most of my calories are obtained from grains. But,
that is what makes a meat dish so special. Last weekend, I went to the Orleans
House in Roslyn, VA with some friends. We got some fantastic steaks and I also
got some scallops. I knew the meal was technically bad for me, but the
satisfaction I got from it made it well worth it. I love vegetables, fruits,
and yes even legumes (although you MUST be kidding about that texturized
vegetable protein!), but I will not give up foods from the meat group
altogether.
> The benefits of the healthy, plant-based food culture contrast
>sharply the terrorism the animal-eating habit wages on our body,
>others and the environment. That is a future we can all live with.
Ok, Dr. maharaj, now you're being crazy. It reminds me of that scene in
Airplane! Where the lady goes "This would not have happened if we weren't a meat
eating, male society and were instead a vegetarian, female society" and the
sign language interpreter does the jerking-off symbol.
Finally, keep this stuff off alt.mcdonalds. We're incorrigible carnivores.
-- KMH
Paul N. Brothers ; CHEM
: In article <3it1s8$3...@mango.aloha.com>, Dr. Jai Maharaj <j...@aloha.com> wrote:
: Oh, really? What kinds of diseases?
You'll find out soon enough you unhealthy bastard.
: > Instead PCRM recommends a "New Four Food Groups." They are: 1.
: >fruits; 2. grains; 3. vegetables; and 4. legumes.
: Legumes. McDonald's makes a double Quarter Pounder hamburger, and this man
: wants me to eat legumes.
Well you are a pea brain.
: > Though others have made similar recommendations to revise the
: >American diet, none have done so with quite the authority of the
: >4,000-plus member PCRM.
: 4,000! Whoa! I'm putting my steak down right now!
I have a stake for you.
: Don't get me wrong; most of my calories are obtained from grains. But,
Whiskey dosen't count, lush.
[...]
PNB.
Molly Bowling
by no means representative of veggies as a group; we have doubts he is
vegetarian at all. He posts from 10+ different accounts, and has
recently begun expanding his cross-posting list (he *used* to confine it
to rec.food.veg, soc.culture.hawaii and the like) to things like
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh.
There's nothing we can do about him - we've tried. Just kill file him
now and forget he ever existed.
--
[X] M Bowling
m...@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu
Always there's that space between what you feel and what you do, and in
that gap all human sadness lies.
Derek van Veen
>
>Kevin M. Hebert (kmhe...@seas.gwu.edu) wrote:
>: In article <3it1s8$3...@mango.aloha.com>, Dr. Jai Maharaj <j...@aloha.com> wrote:
>
>: Oh, really? What kinds of diseases?
>
>You'll find out soon enough you unhealthy bastard.
Oh give me a fucking break! Enough bitching from both sides! If you
don't want to eat meat, then don't eat meat. Don't try to tell those
of us who do want to eat meat not to. It's none of your goddam business!
>
>: > Instead PCRM recommends a "New Four Food Groups." They are: 1.
>: >fruits; 2. grains; 3. vegetables; and 4. legumes.
>
>: Legumes. McDonald's makes a double Quarter Pounder hamburger, and this man
>: wants me to eat legumes.
>
>Well you are a pea brain.
Nice ad hominim argument. *Very* clever.
>
>: > Though others have made similar recommendations to revise the
>: >American diet, none have done so with quite the authority of the
>: >4,000-plus member PCRM.
>
>: 4,000! Whoa! I'm putting my steak down right now!
>
>I have a stake for you.
Sorry, I think you are confusing this newsgroup with alt.fan.anne.rice.
>
>: Don't get me wrong; most of my calories are obtained from grains. But,
>
>Whiskey dosen't count, lush.
I'd argue that (good) beer does, though. As does bread, pasta, cereal and
oatmeal. And hey, let's not forget all those second-hand grains that you
can obtain through the consumption of herbavores! A steak is just a
slightly reprocessed form of grains and vegetation!
Have a nice day. And remember, Vegans are a freakish little clan (according
to Mr. KFI in Los Angeles). ;)
(It's a joke.)
- Derek DoD#1649
'75 Honda CB125s '71 VW Type III Variant
______________________________________________________________________________
"Bring the little ones unto me, and I will get a good price for them."
Dr. Jai Maharaj
m...@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu (Molly Bowling) wrote:
> On behalf of normal vegetarians everywhere, I apologize for Jai.
Apologize for your net terrorism Doki from Oki. Just take care of
yourself.
BigWave
> We have to kill to live. There was a great "Bloom County" cartoon several
> years ago that basically stated this. First the gang gave up meat, because
> it kills animals. Then they gave up eating altogether, because it kills
> plants. Then they tried not to breathe, because of the millions of bacteria
> that your body kills.
>
> Who is to say which form of life is better than another? If it is wrong
> to kill a cow, then what makes killing a broccoli plant right? It is
> my belief that, since we are at the top of the food chain, we have the
> right to make any use we feel is necessary from the bottom. However, this
> also gives us the responsibility to protect what is beneath us.
>
> -- KMH
Very well spoken, KMH... I applaud you. When liberals speak, all you
need do is find the illogical structure with which they "glue" together
their weak arguements and you find contradiction after contradiction.
The entire debate over abortion, in the liberal mind, has nothing
whatsoever to do with the importance of life (they will turn around and
argue the opposite side for saving the whales), they do not like rules
which cramp their lifestyle. You will notice how they will create
additional propoganda for safe sex, to avoid the true issue which is
sexual promescuity and responsibility... not only to themselves and their
partner, but to society.
When sharp-thinking people point this out, they will indefinately throw a
tantrum, calling you a racist, bigot, facist, or oppressor... (especially
if you happen to have been born a white, angosaxon male.)
Keep up the fight! As Rush says, "We are winning!"
David W. ev...@wsu.edu
larrabee
> When sharp-thinking people point this out, they will indefinately throw a
> tantrum, calling you a racist, bigot, facist, or oppressor... (especially
> if you happen to have been born a white, angosaxon male.)
>
> Keep up the fight! As Rush says, "We are winning!"
>
> David W. ev...@wsu.edu
You're yeucchhhy! And if you support anything that Rush says, than you
probably are a
fascist, bigot, racist and oppressor....not to mention a non-"sharp
thinker." No offense.
Sincerely,
a white, ANGLO-saxon male.
Peter R Cook
You are the one prejudging all fans of Rush Limbaugh. You are
the bigot sir.
Derek R. Larson
You know, the level of intelligence expressed in this thread is a pretty
good example of the level of intelligence of the average reader of the
groups it's posted to.
--
________________________________________________________________________
Derek R. Larson * "We're lacking in humor, a little smug,
drla...@Indiana.edu * considering ourselves to be among the
* favored few." -Terrence O'Donnell on Oregonians
Derek R. Larson
> start to dismantle the fat in Washington.
>
>
>--
It seems that those little Newtoids are good at protecting their own as
well; don't count your victory before you count the votes for a veto
override.
Seetoh Wai Keong
: I'm not only pro-beef, I'm pro-veal. I eat at least once a week.
: Great stuff. I wonder if liberals eat veal. 8-)
Notice the massive crossposting of this flamebait.
seetoh
larrabee
> >You're yeucchhhy! And if you support anything that Rush says, than you
> >probably are a
> >fascist, bigot, racist and oppressor....not to mention a non-"sharp
> >thinker." No offense.
>
> You are the one prejudging all fans of Rush Limbaugh. You are
> the bigot sir.
>
prejudging them,
I was simply judging them.
Thank you,
Brad Larrabee
larrabee
>
> Well said! The tantrums are being thrown more frequent now as we
> start to dismantle the fat in Washington.
It's "more frequently."
[scott cross]
between pro-beef and anti-beef people. To put it in perspective, let me take
an approach leaning toward pro-beef but not entirely.
There is a nutritive substance much like a vitamincalled carnitine which
is made by our bodies and is necessary for survival. Symptoms of deficiency
include lack of energy. Our bodies do not make enough, however, for best
results.
Lack of meat can actually cause problems. So why do vegetarians seem to
have more energy than meat eaters? Because most people, especially
Americans, eat too much meat, and not enough vegeteble material.
This causes a deficiency in other needed nutrients.
space goat
Hebert) wrote:
>
> > * Animal foods are the major source of pesticides. Of all,
> >95-99% are in meat, fish, eggs and dairy items.
>
> That's because pesticide concentration increases the higher one goes up the
> food chain. If we replaced all our meat diet with plants, we would have a
> similar intake of pesticides.
>
Actually, this is incorrect. Higher-ups on the food pyramid consume
greater amounts of certain pesticides and other chemicals because of
biological amplification. The pesticide amount increases because it stays
in the organism, so whatever eats it gets all of it. Since each level up
on the food chain requires about 10x more energy, each move up increases
pesticide content by 10x.
This isn't very applicable to this discussion anyway though, since our
consumption of pesticides is actually very low and virtually harmless.
Besides, pesticides are directly applied to our fruits/veggies...
___________________<shan...@leland.stanford.edu>___________________
coffee...tea...monster....coffee...tea...monster. 42,312 __o
-=-Andrew Shieh-=- from PGSAS 1993/Stanford 1998 vball++++ _`\<,_
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dfx
> * Meat-eaters have higher blood pressure, are more
>hypertensive and violent. Public funds are used for research and
>treatment. Everyone is forced to pay the price of violence and
>crime. Meat-eaters hurt themselves, their families and others.
>
> Meat-eaters hurt everyone.
> Meat-eaters hurt everyone.
> Meat-eaters hurt everyone.
AND WE'RE DAMN PROUD OF IT T00, Y0U ST00PID FR00T L00P.
After reading Ja-I-have-no-clue's lame ass, crap filled, VEGATUBULZ R
PE0PUL T00 message for the 10,000th time in the last month, I was
inspired to leave the house and make a dramatic change in my eating
habits. As I pulled up to the McDonald's drive-thru and gazed at the
death infested menu which was so obviously responsible for breast cancer,
arthritis, Erik Estrada, racism, and every tragedy in the last 9,000,000
years, Jai's words really touched me and I had a change of heart. Instead
of my usual "Can I have a #3 combo with a coke, please?", I shouted,
"Y0 B1TCH! I WANT A FUKN QUADRO-P0UNDER W1TH N0 FUKN VEGETABULZ 0R SH1T
THAT GR0WZ 0N TREEZ!"
"Ok sir, you wanted a Quarter pounder, just plain, is that correct?"
"N0 B1TCH! I ZED I WANTED A FUKN QUADR0-P0UNDER! GET IT R1TE 0R DIE!"
<quiet laughter heard through speaker>
"A what pounder?!"
"A FUKN QUADR0-P0UNDER!"
"Uh.. I don't think we have that. Are you sure you don't mean a quarter
pounder?"
"N0 I D0N'T MEEN A FUKN MEEZLY AZZ QUARTUR P0UNDER! HERE'Z WHAT I WANT -
2 FUKN D0UBLE QUARTER P0UNDERZ PUT T0GETHER 2 MAKE 1 QUADR0 P0UNDER!"
"Ooohhh.. you want *2* double quarter pounders then?"
"N0 B1TCH! I WANT 1 FUKN QUADR0 P0UNDER! TAKE THE 2 D0UBLEZ, PUT THEM
T0GETHUR AND GIV ME 1 QUADR0! U G0T IT YET BRAINIAK?"
<more laughter and employees looking out the back entrance window>
"Oh! Ok.. I think we can do that. Would you like cheese on that?"
"FUK N0 B1TCH! I WANT 4 H0T SLABZ 0F C0W DETH 0N A BUN WITH N0 FUKING
HIPPIE AZZ VEGETABULZ! I ALZ0 D0NT WANT ANY FUKING LAME VEGAN FRIEZ
0R ANY TYPE 0F RECYKULD PAKAGING. N0 KUP, N0 BAG, N0 WRAPPERZ.. PUT
THE SHIT 0N THE WIND0W K0UNTER THING AND I WILL TAKE IT. AND TELL JAI
T0 G0 FUK A K0K0NUT T00!"
"Who?!"
"FUK IT & GIMME THAT WHICH IZ THE S0URCE 0F ALL EVIL... N0W!"
"Thank you. Please drive to the 2nd window."
For the record, I got my fucking Quadro pounder and it r0cked. I am
faxing McDonald's tomorrow and demanding that this awesome item be
permanently added to every McDonald's menu around the world.
I'm a meat eater.
I'm hypertensive.
I'm violent.
And if you get in between me and a plate of animal death, I will fucking
kill your pathetic ass and then go kill some trees in order to build a
coffin to bury you in.
DETH IZ IMMINENT. THE EARTH MUZT DIE. MEAT EATERZ ARE THE MAJ0RITY AND
WE'R FUKIN PISSED. GIVE US WHAT WE WANT 0R BE PREPARED T0 FACE THE WRATH.
Drunkfux . cDc - Cult Of The Dead Cow . Senior Vice Prez
ftp.eff.org : /pub/Publications/CuD/CDC
alt.fan.cult-dead-cow
DAVID E OPALECKY
: A couple of years ago, my Nevada paper reported an altercation at the
: Iowa State Fair, in which PETA was outraged that the Pork Queen had the
: audacity to throw pies back at them. Two years later, at the fair, I
: was stunned to see a both selling PETA sweatshirts & t shirts. Until I
: got closer. The little line below read "People for the Eating of Tasty
: Animals." My wife made me buy one. THen it had a tragic accident in
: the wash, shrinking from my size to hers . . . oh, well, next year . . .
: --
: R E HAWKINS
: rhaw...@iastate.edu
I'll admit it. I'm not smart enough to be a Vegetarian. There are too
many nutrients in meat that would be hard to come by elsewhere.
D Opalecky
Joseph Pavlic
: In article <3j0rh6$8...@crl4.crl.com>, co...@crl.com (Joseph Pavlic)
: wrote:
: > Vegeterians are less violent??? Surely you jest! When's the
: > last time you've seen overweight, hypertensive American meat
: > eaters attacking Sikh temples the way vegetarian Hindus do
: > commonly in India?
: Substantiate your claim that vegetarians were "attacking Sikh
: temples," as you put it.
I hope your knowledge of medicine is greater than your knowledge of
Indian politics. I find it hard to believe that you are not aware
of Vegetarian Hindu attacks on Sikhs and Muslims at their houses
of worship.
: If you must compare, think about the atomic bombing by Americans
: of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I am sure you have knowledge of that
: event, don't you?
If I remember right it was the Japanese who were the aggressors and
they eat a lot less meat than the Americans.
: *-=Om Shanti=-* Jai Maharaj
Paul S Galvanek
>In <3j04le$b...@felix.seas.gwu.edu>, kmhe...@seas.gwu.edu (Kevin M. Hebert) writes:
>>In article <3ivm55$n...@mango.aloha.com>, Dr. Jai Maharaj <j...@aloha.com> wrote:
>
>>> * Meat-eaters have higher blood pressure, are more
>>>hypertensive and violent.
>>
>>that doesn't mean a meat eater is "more violent". Doctor, none of your
>>arguments are making any sense! You need a thick, juicy steak.
I wonder if we can expect "Dr." Jai to post the study that was reported
in a British medical journal recently... the one that reported on studies
of UK hindu communities that made use of strict vegetarian diets yet show
several time the rate of hypertension and heart related illness as the
general meat eating population.
Nah, he's skipped over all the studies showing the laundry list of neurological
problems suffered by children who are raised on vegetarian diets, so such
honesty is likely not to be expected.
Paul S. Galvanek
>
>By golly, when someone says meat makes people violent, makes me want to
>punch 'em in the nose! ;)
>
>Seriously - this guy is so far off kilter, its better to ignore him. Heated debated tend to
>belittle logic while glorifying propaganda (and I'll fight anybody who says it isn't so!)
>
>___________________________________
>B.B. Bean - former Windows user
>Now a card-carrying member of Team OS/2
>___________________________________
--
"When we consider that women are treated as property, it is degrading to women
that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit."
Elizabeth Cady Staton Oct. 16 1871 -- reach me at http://www.pitt.edu/~psg/
David Whittle
drla...@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu "Derek R. Larson" writes:
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.950228...@unicorn.it.wsu.edu>,
> BigWave <ev...@wsunix.wsu.edu> wrote:
> >On 25 Feb 1995, Kevin M. Hebert wrote:>
> >Very well spoken, KMH... I applaud you. When liberals speak, all you
> >need do is find the illogical structure with which they "glue" together
> >their weak arguements and you find contradiction after contradiction.
> >
> >The entire debate over abortion, in the liberal mind, has nothing
> >whatsoever to do with the importance of life (they will turn around and
> >argue the opposite side for saving the whales), they do not like rules
> >which cramp their lifestyle. You will notice how they will create
> >additional propoganda for safe sex, to avoid the true issue which is
> >sexual promescuity and responsibility... not only to themselves and their
> >partner, but to society.
> >
> >When sharp-thinking people point this out, they will indefinately throw a
> >tantrum, calling you a racist, bigot, facist, or oppressor... (especially
> >if you happen to have been born a white, angosaxon male.)
> >
> >Keep up the fight! As Rush says, "We are winning!"
> >
>
>
> You know, the level of intelligence expressed in this thread is a pretty
> good example of the level of intelligence of the average reader of the
> groups it's posted to.
>
> Why thank you very much!
>
> --
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Derek R. Larson * "We're lacking in humor, a little smug,
> drla...@Indiana.edu * considering ourselves to be among the
> * favored few." -Terrence O'Donnell on Oregonians
>
--
David
Brandon Hines
>I'll admit it. I'm not smart enough to be a Vegetarian. There are too
>many nutrients in meat that would be hard to come by elsewhere.
Really? Name them!
Brandon
Sol...@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
Rich Young
[...]
>The pesticide amount increases because it stays
>in the organism, so whatever eats it gets all of it. [...]
Not unless whatever eats it eats ALL of the organism. Pesticides
tend to be concentrated in fats, for example, so avoiding the fat
would also avoid much (though certainly not all) of the concentrated
pesticide.
--
- Rich Young
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Dr. Jai Maharaj
Steve Connor <St...@vegsoc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>There's some pleasant discussion going on here! I've just dropped
>into this thread, and now I feel sick.
>
>a couple of thoughts though...
>
>1) You should try beef here in the UK boys and girls - we've
> got Mad Cow Disease as well as E.Coli 157 and heart disease!
>
>2) I don't know how abortion popped up, but if you don't like it
> perhaps you should get a vasectomy?
>
>3) Choosing to live a healthier, more humane life is not 'liberal'
> 'commie'- it's just bloody sensible.
>
> Anyway - you lot should calm down a bit, those furred up arteries
> of yours can only take so much you know!
> Steve Connor
> campaigns director
> The Vegetarian Society of the UK
Hear, hear!
Last year in Hawaii, we started perhaps the nation's only
govenment-sponsored campaign to include more plant-based foods in
our diet.
The taxpayer-funded nutritional education program targets kids and
parents alike in our public school system.
What is more, the Physicians Commitee for Responsible Medicine,
Washington, D.C., has concluded that not only is an animal-based
diet unnecessary, but is actually harmful.
The benefits of the healthy, plant-based food culture contrast
sharply the terrorism the animal-eating habit wages on our body,
others and the environment. That is a future we can all live with.
Dr. Jai Maharaj
DAVID E OPALECKY <deo0141@omega> wrote:
>
> I'll admit it. I'm not smart enough to be a Vegetarian. There are too
> many nutrients in meat that would be hard to come by elsewhere.
>
> D Opalecky
U.S. Physicians Say Meat | Recent Nutritional Research
Not Necessary, | Affirms Superiority of the
Actually Harmful | Vegetarian Diet for Humans
Thirty-five years ago the US Department of Agriculture said we
should daily eat from four food groups: 1. meat, fish and poultry; 2.
grains; 3. dairy products; and 4. fruits and vegetables.
On April 9, 1991 the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine,
a prestigious non-profit organization active in health and research
policy and based in Washington, D.C., said basing our diet on those
groups not only will not ensure adequate nutrition, consumption of meat,
fish, poultry and dairy products actually causes disease.
Instead PCRM recommends a "New Four Food Groups." They are: 1.
fruits; 2. grains; 3. vegetables; and 4. legumes.
This is a very significant development for vegetarians whose
traditional vegetarian diet -- which easily fulfills the requirements of
the "new" groups -- has been under attack in many countries by physicians
sharing the common ignorance of modern medicine toward diet.
For example, numerous physicians have insisted that mothers feed
their children meat -- "A real mistake," says Dr. Neal Barnard, leading
to all sorts of diseases such as colic, juvenile diabetes, diarrhea and
later problems such as cancer of the colon. Dr. Devananda Tandavan
points out that the average doctor in America has had almost no training
whatsoever in nutrition by the time he has finished medical school and
may remain ignorant for the rest of his professional life on the
importance of diet for good health.
Though others have made similar recommendations to revise the
American diet, none have done so with quite the authority of the
4,000-plus member PCRM. The committee's president, Dr. Neal D. Barnard
- -- himself a vegetarian -- is a director of Behavioral Studies at the
Institute for Disease Prevention at George Washington University.
PCRM members instrumental in formulating the new food groups include
Dr. T. Colin Campbell, Professor of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell
University and Director of the massive China Health Project.
Collaborator Dr. Oliver Alabaster is Director of the Institute for
Disease Prevention at the George Washington University.
How did we end up with such a poor choice of food groups 35 years
ago? Inadequate nutritional research for one thing. But more
insidiously, since food guides were first established in 1916, there has
been a tendency to give animal products a "preferred" designation. "This
element of food guides has persisted until the present time, due in part
to the intensive lobbying efforts of the food industry, and despite
evidence of the adverse health effects of such foods, " says the PCRM
report.
The situation is similar to the tobacco industry's continual denial
of the harmful effects of smoking. In response to the four new food
groups, a former US Secretary of Agriculture, John R. Block (president of
the National American Wholesale Grocers' Association and a pig farmer in
Illinois) denounced the committee's recommendations as the "height of
irresponsibility."
Other reactions focused more on the difficulty of altering the food
habits of the steak- and hamburger-eating American public than on the
scientific validity of the new diet.
PCRM attacks the old, traditional four food groups on three major
fronts. First, they say, "The old food groups fail to assure nutritional
adequacy." The four food groups were established according to the
understanding of nutritional needs in 1953. Since that time, the
required daily allowances (RDA's) for protein, vitamins, minerals, etc.
have been extensively revised and expanded. A 1978 study showed that only
9 of the 17 RDA's were met by the typical diet based on the old groups.
The second problem is that "The old four food groups fail to
adequately address the current dietary problems of our population."
Specifically, the the 1977-78 Nationwide Food Consumption Survey
indicates that Americans who eat diets based on the four food groups
consume an excessive amount of fat."
Studies show that dietary fat and associated consumption of excess
protein is related to breast cancer, heart disease, obesity, kidney
disease and osteoporosis, to name a few.
Third, states the PCRM, "The old four food groups serve to
misinform consumers about some aspects of nutrition. Two of the four
food groups -- meats and dairy products -- are clearly not necessary for
health and, in fact, may be detrimental to health. . . . Populations with
the lowest rates of heart disease, colon and breast cancer, and obesity
consume very little meat or no meat at all."
The PCRM concludes that "The average adult can meet nutrient needs
by consuming five servings of grains, three servings of legumes, three
servings of vegetables and three servings of fruits each day."
The New Four Food Groups
Whole Grains: This group includes rice, bread, pasta, hot or cold
cereal, corn, millet, barley, bulgur, buckwheat groats
and tortillas. Build each of your meals around a
hearty grain dish. Grains are rich in fiber and other
complex carbohydrates, as well as proteins, B vitamins
and zinc.
Vegetables: Vegetables are packed with nutrients; they provide
vitamin C, beta-carotene, riboflavin and other
vitamins, iron, calcium and fiber. Dark green, leafy
vegetables such as broccoli, collards, kale, mustard
and turnip greens, chicory or bok choy are especially
good ources of of these important nutrients. Dark
yellow and orange vegetables such as carrots, winter
squash, sweet potatoes and pumpkin provide extra
beta-carotene. Include generous portions or a variety
of vegetables in your diet.
Legumes: Legumes, which is another name for beans, peas and
lentils, are all good sources of fiber, protein, iron,
calcium, zinc and B vitamins. This group also includes
the daals in Indian cuisine, pulses, chickpeas, baked
and refried beans, soy milk, tofu, and texturized
vegetable protein.
Fruit: Fruits are rich in fiber, vitamin C and beta-carotene.
Be sure to include at least one serving each day of
fruits that are high in vitamin C -- citrus fruits,
melons and strawberries are all good choices. Choose
whole fruit over fruit juices, which don't contain as
much healthy fiber.
| Number of |
Food Group | Servings | Typical Items and Serving Size
- - - - - - | - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Whole Grains | 5 or more | 1/2 cup hot cereal + 1 ounce dry cereal
| | + 1 slice of bread
- - - - - - | - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Vegetables | 3 or more | 1 cup raw + 1/2 cup cooked
- - - - - - | - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Legumes | 2 to 3 | 1/2 cup cooked beans + 4 ounces tofu or
| | tempeh
- - - - - - | - - - - - | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Fruits | 3 or more | 1 medium piece of fruit + 1/2 cup cooked
| | fruit
Be sure to include a good source of vitamin B-12, such as fortified
cereals and vitamin supplements.
* Based on a 1991 article in Hinduism Today *
For a free, 3-month delivery of the full-color international journal
established in 1979, send your name and postal address to
hind...@mcimail.com
Sorry, U.S. addresses only.
Dr. Jai Maharaj
>Dr. Jai Maharaj (j...@mantra.com) wrote:
>: In article <3j0rh6$8...@crl4.crl.com>, co...@crl.com (Joseph Pavlic)
>: wrote:
>: > Vegeterians are less violent??? Surely you jest! When's the
>: > last time you've seen overweight, hypertensive American meat
>: > eaters attacking Sikh temples the way vegetarian Hindus do
>: > commonly in India?
>
>: Substantiate your claim that vegetarians were "attacking Sikh
>: temples," as you put it.
>
I ask again: Substantiate your claim that vegetarians were
"attacking Sikh temples," as you put it.
*-=Om Shanti=-* Jai Maharaj
Los
Hello,
Woops, should have changed the title on the last post...
Anyway, a repost:
Chuck Narad
thread? this is a case of all-beef SPAM, folks....
c/
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