Does anyone get sick when they eat this...
Marc Fury
Hi,
I was just wondering. This is the first time that the following
happened to me. My wife made us some MorningStar Farms Deli Franks as
part of our dinner last week.
Later on in the evening my stomach felt very upset and sick. I told my
wife this and she wondered why. I told her I don't know why but thought
too myself that I knew why I was feeling sick like this.
I'm sure it was because at one time, when I had eaten 'real' hotdogs I
really did not know what went into a 'real meat hotdog'.
So my just knowing what went into hotdogs that I had eaten previously
before becoming a vegetarian was enough to make me sick as a 'dog.'
I'm almost Vegan, just have to watch that dairy stuff, it's in
everything.
Has anyone else felt this way when they have eaten a 'meat' substitute?
And how long will this feeling last before I realize that I am NOT
eating an animal and can eat all the foods (vegetarian) that are
available (even if they're supposed to look like 'real' food)?
Background : I started my change in 1993 (ovo lacto) motivated by
health reasons, and it has within the last half year
(trying to be Vegan) moved into a moral/ethical reason for
making the change (Especially after reading John Robbins
Diet For A New America) I decided that I did not want to
have anything at
all to do with that kind of 'farming'
I'd really be curious if anyone else has felt similarily this way.
Thanks for your time,
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VladtheImpaler
On 21 Feb 1997 01:09:41 -0500, mf...@alpha.delta.edu (Marc Fury)
wrote:
>Hi,
>
> I was just wondering. This is the first time that the following
>happened to me. My wife made us some MorningStar Farms Deli Franks as
>part of our dinner last week.
> Later on in the evening my stomach felt very upset and sick. I told my
>wife this and she wondered why. I told her I don't know why but thought
>too myself that I knew why I was feeling sick like this.
> I'm sure it was because at one time, when I had eaten 'real' hotdogs I
>really did not know what went into a 'real meat hotdog'.
> So my just knowing what went into hotdogs that I had eaten previously
>before becoming a vegetarian was enough to make me sick as a 'dog.'
> I'm almost Vegan, just have to watch that dairy stuff, it's in
>everything.
> Has anyone else felt this way when they have eaten a 'meat' substitute?
>And how long will this feeling last before I realize that I am NOT
>eating an animal and can eat all the foods (vegetarian) that are
>available (even if they're supposed to look like 'real' food)?
I was surfing the net searching for info on TVP (textured vegetable
protein) , commonly use to simulate the taste and texture of meat, and
I found out some interesting stuff. The lower grades of TVP sometimes
contain an undesired protein that causes intestinal discomfort similar
to lactose intolerance. The better grades of TVP are sent through a
washing cycle which removes this protein. Try another brand and see
if you get the same results. If you do then maybe the illness is more
psychsomatic based on your previous experience with the franks. And
as an added note, if your serious about being totally vegan (I am not)
then maybe you should consider avoiding all products that are made to
simulate meat...it seems to go against the philosophy of veganism.
It's almost like eating meat in effigy. But thats just my opinion.
Kevin Delaney
> I was just wondering. This is the first time that the following
> happened to me. My wife made us some MorningStar Farms Deli Franks as
> part of our dinner last week.
> Later on in the evening my stomach felt very upset and sick. I told my
> wife this and she wondered why. I told her I don't know why but thought
> too myself that I knew why I was feeling sick like this.
> I'm sure it was because at one time, when I had eaten 'real' hotdogs I
> really did not know what went into a 'real meat hotdog'.
> So my just knowing what went into hotdogs that I had eaten previously
> before becoming a vegetarian was enough to make me sick as a 'dog.'
> I'm almost Vegan, just have to watch that dairy stuff, it's in
> everything.
> Has anyone else felt this way when they have eaten a 'meat' substitute?
> And how long will this feeling last before I realize that I am NOT
> eating an animal and can eat all the foods (vegetarian) that are
> available (even if they're supposed to look like 'real' food)?
You probably got sick because those meat "substitutes" are processed,
artificial, cooked CRAP. If you want to follow a vegan diet, try to eat as many
raw, natural foods as possible. It's cheaper and much better for your body.
Kevin
Fleet
>You probably got sick because those meat "substitutes" are processed,
>artificial, cooked CRAP. If you want to follow a vegan diet, try to eat as many
>raw, natural foods as possible. It's cheaper and much better for your body.
>Kevin
I tried some of those Morning Star things myself last week and I have to agree
with Kevin. In fact, after eating them, I resorted back to eating meat
because at least when I eat meat the only ingredient on the package is meat.
(Please don't flame me about the technical aspects of this statement, I
won't read it) When I read the labels of those Morning Star look alikes while
eating them, I couldn't really tell what the hell I was eating. Frankly, that
disturbs me as much as eating meat, but for a different reason.
That doesn't mean though that I have given up the fight. I lost a battle and
I hope I learned something from it. I think the only way *I* can become a
vegetarian is through a slow process of live and learn, and keeping my
ultimate goal in mind. I am happy for the people though, that find meat
substitues enjoyable. In fact, through this I may find a veggie burger or
bacon that I can make at home on my own. I don't
begrudge anyone who is trying to make a difference in their lives.
Fleet
David Bold
In article <tlc31.43...@ultravision.net>, tl...@ultravision.net (Fleet) writes:
>
>>You probably got sick because those meat "substitutes" are processed,
>>artificial, cooked CRAP. If you want to follow a vegan diet, try to eat as many
>>raw, natural foods as possible. It's cheaper and much better for your body.
>
>>Kevin
>
>I tried some of those Morning Star things myself last week and I have to agree
>with Kevin. In fact, after eating them, I resorted back to eating meat
>because at least when I eat meat the only ingredient on the package is meat.
>(Please don't flame me about the technical aspects of this statement, I
>won't read it) When I read the labels of those Morning Star look alikes while
>eating them, I couldn't really tell what the hell I was eating. Frankly, that
>disturbs me as much as eating meat, but for a different reason.
>
>That doesn't mean though that I have given up the fight. I lost a battle and
>I hope I learned something from it. I think the only way *I* can become a
>vegetarian is through a slow process of live and learn, and keeping my
>ultimate goal in mind. I am happy for the people though, that find meat
When asked I usually suggest that people become vegetarian *slowly* by
cutting down meat consumption or by cutting out specific meats one at
a time. I heard so many times that people feel strange or that the
meat cravings are too much when a conversion is made overnight. For me,
I found that changing the format of a meal away from a centrepiece was
quite important psychologically as I was brought up with meat being the
main component of a meal with vegetables as accompaniments. My meals
(I'm pretty much a pure vegetarian or dietary vegan) are quite "bitty"
these days. I also taught myself new cooking techniques and tried all
sorts of news foods. I still eat some meat-like substitutes (I don't
like meat-tasting or meat-textured substitutes at all) such as veggie
burgers or tvp-based pies or soya-mince but generally on occasions when
I want to be low-key, like barbeques or parties.
Incidentally, a friend of mine turned vegetarian at Christmas having
followed my advice to cut down over almost the whole of last year. He
had a very poor diet before and, I'm afraid, has pretty much substituted
fake meat for meat. He's still ovo-lacto but has recently gone iron
anaemic. It turns out that he poorly absorbs iron anyway and the change
in diet has tipped him over the edge. Doh! He's taking iron supplements
now but doesn't seem keen on eating wholemeal bread and the like so far
as I've suggested. His girlfriend, who has followed suit, is fine of
course.
David
--
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Mark Twain.
Kevin Delaney
In article <tlc31.43...@ultravision.net>,
tl...@ultravision.net (Fleet) wrote:
>
>
> >You probably got sick because those meat "substitutes" are processed,
> >artificial, cooked CRAP. If you want to follow a vegan diet, try to eat as
many
> >raw, natural foods as possible. It's cheaper and much better for your body.
>
> >Kevin
>
> I tried some of those Morning Star things myself last week and I have to agree
> with Kevin. In fact, after eating them, I resorted back to eating meat
> because at least when I eat meat the only ingredient on the package is meat.
> (Please don't flame me about the technical aspects of this statement, I
> won't read it) When I read the labels of those Morning Star look alikes while
> eating them, I couldn't really tell what the hell I was eating. Frankly, that
> disturbs me as much as eating meat, but for a different reason.
>
> That doesn't mean though that I have given up the fight. I lost a battle and
> I hope I learned something from it. I think the only way *I* can become a
> vegetarian is through a slow process of live and learn, and keeping my
> ultimate goal in mind. I am happy for the people though, that find meat
> bacon that I can make at home on my own. I don't
> begrudge anyone who is trying to make a difference in their lives.
>
> Fleet
That's tremendously sensible, live and learn. As far as I'm concerned
living and learning is what it's all about.
I don't label myself "vegetarian." My _diet_ is vegetarian. So don't
worry about "being" a vegetarian, try to eat more foods that could be
considered part of a vegetarian diet. I've never thought of a vegetarian
diet in terms of cutting things out, I've always concentrated on adding
new, healthful foods to my diet.
About the meat substitues, I feel that should the urge strike me to eat
meat, I will eat real meat before I will eat imitation meat. Since I've
been eating mostly raw, natural foods (and juices) I have had no desire
to eat meat whatsoever.
Kevin
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Kendralena
Kevin Delaney <dela...@clpgh.org> wrote in article
<1997Feb24.085946.5563@clp2>...
>
> > I was just wondering. This is the first time that the following
> > happened to me. My wife made us some MorningStar Farms Deli Franks as
> > part of our dinner last week.
>> > Has anyone else felt this way when they have eaten a 'meat'
substitute?
> > And how long will this feeling last before I realize that I am NOT
> > eating an animal and can eat all the foods (vegetarian) that are
> > available (even if they're supposed to look like 'real' food)?
>
>
In December, I got very sick for three days on another company's fake
sausage
product. Since this company's other products are excellent, I am
wondering if
they were refrigerated properly (by the store where I purchased it that
is). If the
store staff would think that one wont get sick over it because it dosen't
have
meat in it, you are in trouble. All prepared foods left at room
temperature for
an extended period of time can make one sick. The store involved did
not resolve
to do much of anything about it and I haven't been back since.
OTOH, was it psychological? You don't eat meat, and yet eating
something
that is very close to it may give you the symptoms of being ill from it.
Just a thought.
At any rate, I hope you feel better.
Kendralena :-)
--
Someone said, "The more you know, the more you
realize you don't know." Is that why people who are
totaly ignorant think they know it all?
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