On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 12:58:42 -0700, notbob <
not...@q.com> wrote:
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>I've been playing with it, now I'm serious, as it's Winter and I really
>need to save money.
>
>Want to learn high altitude baking. I watched a U2B video on howto make
>sourdough bread at 11K ft elev (also in CO):
>
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apeGZMQIjZM
Yipes...if that is the loaf to which she aspires, her advice might not
be the best.
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>I tried it. Made the "fizzy apple" yeast mix (and used in King Arthur
>"bread flour"), but still no joy. Now I'm reading about,
>"experimentation". Say what? I thought baking was a science.
Pastry and cake need science, bread needs faith, cool temps and
patience.
Have you tried getting a starter online? Cheapest and most dependable
starter I have ever used is from here:
http://carlsfriends.net/source.html
Using Carl's starter gives you the advantage of knowing you have a
viable bunch of critters ready to be awakened. You can get it up and
running for baking within a week, at most. Less if you refresh it
twice a day.
I confess to having tried a fruit based starter a few times in the
dim, dark ages, but all I got was moldy blech for my efforts, so I now
distrust them. There are those who swear by them, and bravo to them,
but I have bombed with grapes, pineapple and other fruits..
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>I did not add the "higher gluten" addition, but now have some Hodgson
>Mills Vital Wheat Gluten. I also have the "6L Fast Ferment" container
>mentioned in the making sourdough bread down in the flatlands.
Not thinking this is a gluten problem.
>
>Some of the best SF Sourdough usta be made in Denver. 5K elevation!
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>!!K video was of zero help. I'm at 8K ft elev.
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>Earn yer rep! What do I do? ;)
>
>nb
Alas, I am a Flatlander and always have been and am unsure of exactly
what happens- in the physical sense- the science behind it is easily
tracked, although I cannot say the remedies all work, but some of the
difficulty might be in the whole bread making methodology.
Thus, my assistance may not be 100% profitable.
Have to tried any of these sites? They are general bread baking,
rather than sourdough, but there is info to be learned.
https://www.wheatmontana.com/content/high-altitude-baking-how-make-your-recipes-work-mountains
https://www.kingarthurflour.com/learn/high-altitude-baking.html
Another place to seek answers or read up on bread baking and sourdough
creating is at the Fresh Loaf:
http://www.thefreshloaf.com/
To me, the best way to develop a viable sourdough starter is to take
your time creating it. I'm talking at least 2 weeks if from scratch,
or the week as mentioned above if you are using a "seed" starter. The
starter is key to success. It has to be alive and very active.
When you are creating a starter from scratch, it'll show activity
after a couple of days, but do not be fooled. It takes longer than
that to get the right balance between yeasts and bacteria. It is that
balanced that makes a strong, viable starter.
The only other advice I'd give is that once you think the starter is
ready, test it before you go all in with a large batch of bread. When
you see daily that your starter, after refreshment, has decent
activity within a few hours, then you can test it this way....
Take a quarter cup of it, mix in equal parts of flour and water -
maybe half a cup of each, and let the thing sit overnight, covered in
plastic wrap and placed in a moist environment. That environment is
easy to create in a microwave oven - put the testing mix of starter,
flour and water in there and add 2-3 containers of slightly warm water
that just sit in the microwave. Body temp water is fine. You just want
to get some moisture in the microwave to balance out your dry air..
If you see that the test starter mix-up is viable - that is, it has
made itself all bubbly, then use it as a pre-ferment and start your
bread dough. Just subtract from the recipe the amount of flour & water
you used in the test.
Sourdough is always a long-term bread event. It can take much longer
to get a good proof than with commercial yeast. I realize high
altitudes often make the proof faster, but you can slow it down by
putting your dough in the fridge for its first proof. Let it go
overnight. Then take it out and let it warm up a bit before you go to
shaping and final proof.
Even your final proof might take an inordinate time. I baked with a
relatively new starter a couple of weeks ago and thought the formed
loaves were duds, but I let them sit around (again in a moist
environment) for hours longer than commercial doughs would take.
Finally, they began to rise and produced great loaves.