NYC deli
Stan Horwitz
(7/19) to attend MacWorld Expo 2001. Since I only expect to spend four or
five hours there, I figured I would take a break mid day or leave the expo
a little early so I could enjoy dinner at one of New York's excellent
Jewish Delis.
Based on all the discussion in the rec.food.cooking group about Katz's
deli about two months ago, I definitely want to eat there, but I am not
quite sure where it located and how I could get there from the Javits
Center. As I recall, Katz's is somewhere in the Wall Street area, right?
I know Katz's sets the standard for Jewish deli, but I might not have
enough time to eat there and catch a train back to Philly at a decent hour
so it would be nice to have an alternative that is closer to the Javits
Center. I am not concerned with the quality of the corned beef or pastrami
because I will probably decide to order the matzoh ball soup and a brisket
sandwhich being as though I am not a pastrami or corned beef fan.
Any comments or suggestions will be appreciated.
Margaret Suran
Dear Stan, The only deli that will be easy for you to reach from the
Javits Center is the Carnegie at 854 Seventh Avenue, near 55th Street.
All the others are too far from the train station. Just in case, here
are the addresses for Katz's and the Second Avenue, Deli, my personal
favorite:
Katz's Delicatessen, 205 East Houston Street, near Ludlow St.
Second Ave. Deli, 156 Second Ave, near 10th Street,
Enjoy. There are Shuttle Buses going from the Javits Center to near the
Carnegie, probably to the Sheraton Hotel, which is close by.
R. & J. Electronics usually also has transportation back and forth from
the store to the Center. That would not be too far from Katz's, but not
convenient to the train.
Have fun in New York City.
Margaret Suran
course and i forgot about the Stage Deli on 834 Seventh Ave, near 53rd
Street and Ben's Kosher, on 209 W 38th Street, near Seventh Ave, which
is really easy to reach from the Javits Center by the No. M34 Bus that
stops right outside the lower level.
Don Wiss
> Ben's Kosher, on 209 W 38th Street, near Seventh Ave, which
>is really easy to reach from the Javits Center by the No. M34 Bus that
>stops right outside the lower level.
Why not simply walk it? It is only a few blocks from the Javits Center. And
then walk to the train.
Don <donwiss at panix.com>.
Glenn Spencer
Curly Sue
On 15 Jul 2001 22:59:31 GMT, Stan Horwitz
<st...@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu> wrote:
>In all likelihood, I will take the train from Philly to NYC this Thursday
>(7/19) to attend MacWorld Expo 2001. Since I only expect to spend four or
>five hours there, I figured I would take a break mid day or leave the expo
>a little early so I could enjoy dinner at one of New York's excellent
>Jewish Delis.
<snip>
>Any comments or suggestions will be appreciated.
>
Take a cab if you can get one. Javits Center is a bit awkward for
public transportation if you're short on time. Taxis in NYC are
really not as expensive as in some other cities but if you can find
several people who want to go with you, split the cost and it can be
as cheap as public transportation. OTOH, if there a lot of people at
the convention looking for a cab for lunch you might have a problem...
Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!
sue at interport dotnet
BarryR
Avenue & Katz are the best-known), but if you decide that you want to go to
the 2nd Ave Deli, it's only 5 minutes from Union Square Station where
several subway lines converge (making it about a 10 minute subway ride from
Midtown, although from the Javits center you'd have to walk (or bus) over to
8th Avenue. Also, if you're done for the day and heading back to Penn
Station (or Grand Central), it's not even 10 minutes by subway from Union
Square (14th and Park) to either of these.
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Julie
balls the size of your head, so go hungry! I would say to save room
for cheesecake, but that's not likely.
Andy Katz
Size cannot compensate for overall mediocrity. Carnegie is hugely
overrated. Even Katz's would be an improvement; 2nd Ave well worth the
trip downtown.
And nevermind them not being kosher. I can't address Katz's, but 2nd
Ave is completely fleishig. If they're not kosher it's only because
they don't close on Saturday.
Andy Katz
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BarryR
frequently mention it to my patients who are complaining about the lousy
hospital food (at least those who are not on a low cholesterol diet!) but
haven't gone there myself. I tend to be a fan of spicy asian food, for which
the 2nd Avenue Deli is not well known. Since my grandmas have now passed
away though, I am yearning for gefilte fish, matzoh balls and blintzes -- I
guess I'll have to head over there soon!
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Stan Horwitz
today as I had planned. The expo was fairly disappointing so I only spent
three hours there. I left the Javits Center around 1:30 and since I was
carrying quite a bit of stuff, I opted to eat a late lunch at Ben's Kosher
deli on 38th Street a few blocks walk from the Javits Center.
The place there is huge and quite formally decorated. I was seated almost
immediately. A waiter was there quickly to hand me a menu and place a
plate of cole slaw and a bowl of pickles on the table. He also asked if he
could get me anything. The waiter returned a few minutes later with the
matzo ball soup and soda I ordered and a tall glass of water.
I ordered a brisket sandwhich with tomato and a side order of kasha. The
soup was quite good, but a bit bland. It was chock full of noodles. The
soup came with one huge matzo ball in it which was yellow in color and,
not surprisingly, it had an eggy taste. The matzo ball was very tender and
tasty.
The brisket was quite good too. There was a reasonable amount of meat on
the sandwhich. The rye bread was good, but it could have been sliced
thicker. The kasha was also quite good.
The prices were very reasonable for a NYC deli. The entire lunch with tip
cost me something like $21. The next time I am at the Javits Center for
an event, I will make a point of eating lunch at Ben's Kosher deli.
Margaret Suran
Stan Horwitz wrote:
.........
>
> I ordered a brisket sandwhich with tomato and a side order of kasha. The
> soup was quite good, but a bit bland. It was chock full of noodles. The
> soup came with one huge matzo ball in it which was yellow in color and,
> not surprisingly, it had an eggy taste. The matzo ball was very tender and
> tasty.
>
> The brisket was quite good too. There was a reasonable amount of meat on
> the sandwhich. The rye bread was good, but it could have been sliced
> thicker. The kasha was also quite good.
>
> The prices were very reasonable for a NYC deli. The entire lunch with tip
> cost me something like $21. The next time I am at the Javits Center for
> an event, I will make a point of eating lunch at Ben's Kosher deli.
Stan, I am glad that you had a pleasant meal. I have never been to
Ben's, but after your recommendation, I will try it soon.
The soups in Jewish delis tend to be bland, as too many of their
customers have to restrict their salt intake.
I am sorry that you found the Mac Expo disappointing, but you can be
glad you did not go the the PCExpo 2001. Such former exhibitors as Dell
did not show at all and others had much smaller spaces. Freebies were
almost impossible to get and all the exhibits were on one floor instead
of the three of the last couple of years. You can tell that the economy
is bad.
Margaret
Stan Horwitz
>
> Stan, I am glad that you had a pleasant meal. I have never been to
> Ben's, but after your recommendation, I will try it soon.
> The soups in Jewish delis tend to be bland, as too many of their
> customers have to restrict their salt intake.
> I am sorry that you found the Mac Expo disappointing, but you can be
> glad you did not go the the PCExpo 2001. Such former exhibitors as Dell
> did not show at all and others had much smaller spaces. Freebies were
> almost impossible to get and all the exhibits were on one floor instead
> of the three of the last couple of years. You can tell that the economy
> is bad.
Hah! About ten years ago, I attended a PC Expo for one day in NYC
with some friends. They were all PC heads! It was one of the most
boring trade shows I have attended and that was ten years ago. I
never went back to another one. In contrast, the MacWorld Expo used
to be a great event where I would enjoy being there for the entire
three or four days that the show ran, but that was when it was in
Boston. When they started holding the east coast MacWorld in NYC
each year, three years ago, it went downhill fast. Not even MacWorld
Magazine had a booth there this year, just two or three people
handing out sample magazines at the main entrance to the exhibits
room. Truly disappointing for a Mac trade show. For PC trade shows,
I expect boredom because PCs are generally quite boring to begin with.
Alan Margolies
deli in NY. It is good--I recently had a nice pastrami sandwich and
frankfurter there as well as a glass of beer. But it's not the
cleanest place and it's more like a cafeteria than a restaurant. And
if I were going to one Jewish deli in NY I wouldn't go there. Now
someone started talking about Kosher delis, but that's another kettle
of fish. You don't say that you want a Kosher deli but a Jewish deli.
No, Katz's isn't, and neither is some of the other Jewish delis. I
can't tell you who has good brisket, but I would guess both the Second
Ave. Deli and the Carnegie. (I don't know if either, both or neither
are Kosher.) I have had chicken soup in both some years ago (maybe 5
or more) and wasn't happy with either. Maybe they have changed since
then. Real good chicken soup is hard to find. Now about location.
Katz's is not in the Wall Street Area. It's on Houston Street, the
equivalent of First Street, way east of the center divide of
Manhattan. The Second Avenue Deli is on Tenth Street and Second Ave.
The Carnegie is on Seventh Avenue and about 54th Street (it is in
the 50's--I just don't have a directory in front of me. The Javits
Center is all the way West near the Hudson on about 37th Street or so.
So you can see that the Carnegie deli is the closest. Now if you can
afford to come to NY from Philly you can afford a cab. It will be the
quickest way. As a matter of fact. what you really should do is go
with at least one friend, go to the Carnegie, order one soup and two
sandwiches (one brisket, one pastrami), try the soup, eat half a
sandwich each and have them bag the remainder, then take a cab to the
Second Avenue Deli, do the same, and each of you eat the remainder of
the sandwiches on the way home. Enjoy! How many times do you come to
New York? And next time go to Katz's. And by the way, if you are
going to a NY deli you must order pastrami. That's why I suggested
the two sandwiches.
Andy Katz
wrote:
>I actually work 5 minutes away (by foot) from the 2nd Avenue Deli and
>frequently mention it to my patients who are complaining about the lousy
>hospital food (at least those who are not on a low cholesterol diet!) but
>haven't gone there myself. I tend to be a fan of spicy asian food, for which
>the 2nd Avenue Deli is not well known.
Me too. Sounds as though you're in the right part of town, too;-)
>Since my grandmas have now passed
>away though, I am yearning for gefilte fish, matzoh balls and blintzes -- I
>guess I'll have to head over there soon!
Hmmm, you won't find blintzes on the 2nd Av menu. They're completely
fleishig. Try Ratner's on Delancey St around a block or so west of
Clinton, for really good blintzes. Their gefilte fish comes in a
massive chunk, and is quite good, too. Just make sure they bring
horseradish.
Andy Katz
<st...@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu> wrote:
>The prices were very reasonable for a NYC deli. The entire lunch with tip
>cost me something like $21. The next time I am at the Javits Center for
>an event, I will make a point of eating lunch at Ben's Kosher deli.
I've been hearing good things about Ben's. I'm going to make it a
project to try them soon. It's just a tad out of my regular orbit. But
for pastrami, is any distance too far....?
Steve Squirtz
> And nevermind them not being kosher. I can't address Katz's, but 2nd
> Ave is completely fleishig. If they're not kosher it's only because
> they don't close on Saturday.
Couldn't they advertise themselves as: "Kosher, Except on Saturday", then?
-sw
Michael Sierchio
They aren't required to close the store on Saturday -- it's
typical to sell the business on the Sabbath to goyim and
resume control of the biz after sundown on the Sabbath. It's
a fine orthodox tradition.
David Samuel Barr
This is not only false, but your snide comment at the end shows
not only your ignorance but your own bias. The practice of selling a
food business in such a manner, when it occurs at all, is used for the
week of Passover, and it is valid only as an outright sale, without any
prior agreement or presumption that the buyer will sell it back to the
original owner at the end of that period.
No legitimate kosher supervising authority will certify as kosher any
Jewish-owned business that is open on the Sabbath, regardless of how
meticulously kosher the food may be. (The kosher deli around the corner
from my old apartment lost its certification when it decided to start
staying open on the Sabbath.) There is no provision in the law for a
weekly temporary handoff such as you postulate.
Sheryl
> On 20 Jul 2001 02:12:18 GMT, Stan Horwitz
> <st...@typhoon.ocis.temple.edu> wrote:
>
>
> >The prices were very reasonable for a NYC deli. The entire lunch with tip
> >cost me something like $21. The next time I am at the Javits Center for
> >an event, I will make a point of eating lunch at Ben's Kosher deli.
>
> I've been hearing good things about Ben's. I'm going to make it a
> project to try them soon. It's just a tad out of my regular orbit. But
> for pastrami, is any distance too far....?
>
> Andy Katz
> ____________________________________
> Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
>
> Juvenal
You NY'ers out there....is the Ben's Kosher that Stan went to
(presumably in the garment district) a branch of the Long Island Ben's
Kosher Deli?
If so, I would expect the food to be delicious.
When I was in college (Long Island University, CW POST Campus, in
Brookvile/Greenvale, LI), from 1981-85, there was a Ben's in the
nearby Wheatley Plaza (corner of Glen Cove Road and Northern Blvd).
Couldn't afford to eat there often, but it was a favorite when my
parents came down to visit, since there weren't, and still aren't,
many kosher restaurants in CT. That shopping center had almost
everything a college student could need: Pathmark, a card store,
Greenvale wine and liquors, a shoe store...a bank or two...bakery
with, if I recall correctly, the BEST rye bread I'd ever eaten. And
within a block or two, Rickel's, a great bagel shop, pizza shop that
delivered, Baskin Robbins and a cheap haircutting place.
I remember the corned beef and pastrami at Ben's being excellent.
They were open during the high holy days the one time I and my pals
couldn't get to our respective homes....(I think one year, Rosh
Hashonah fell on a Wednesday, and even though we had the time off from
classes, it just wasn't practical to schlep home to CT, Mass, PA, etc
for the one day) We went to services in the chapel on campus and then
to Ben's for supper. Not quite mom's cooking, but there was the spirit
of finding people who shared your background and sharing the holiday
with them (sort of a "makeshift family"). And even though we weren't
really close friends the rest of the year, there was always that
feeling of comraderie from having spent the High Holy Days together.
Ben's Kosher Restaurant will always be a happy memory for me, because
they were a frequent stop during my college days.
Sheryl
Margaret Suran
Sheryl wrote:
> >
> > Andy Katz
> > ____________________________________
> > Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
> >
> > Juvenal
>
> You NY'ers out there....is the Ben's Kosher that Stan went to
> (presumably in the garment district) a branch of the Long Island Ben's
> Kosher Deli?
>
Yes, Sheryl, it is a branch of the one in Bay Terrace, Queens. I have
never been in either, but a friend of mine eats there frequently when he
goes to Ranger games at the Garden and thinks that the food is very
good. But...he prefers the food at the Second Avenue Delicatessen, my
favorite Jewish Deli in the city. Margaret
Steven Shaw
a gentile, but there is no corresponding Sabbath tradition. No orthodox
supervising authority ever certifies a Jewish-owned business as kosher if it
is open on Saturday.
Steven A. Shaw
www.fat-guy.com
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Andy Katz
<snau...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>Couldn't they advertise themselves as: "Kosher, Except on Saturday", then?
I think being open on Shabbos taints the establishment 24/7, at least
by *some* measures.
Alan Margolies
>
> Stan, I am glad that you had a pleasant meal. I have never been to
> Ben's, but after your recommendation, I will try it soon.
> The soups in Jewish delis tend to be bland, as too many of their
> customers have to restrict their salt intake.
>
Carnegie and the Second Avenue Deli, both a few years ago, they both
were bland. More than a few years ago, when Leo (sorry I have
forgotten his last name) was a partner in the Carnegie, he told me
that the soup was double strained. (Unfortunately he died at a too
young age.) Then the soup at the Carnegie was wonderful, yellow,
tasty, with body. The last time I had it I could have sworn it came
from a can, probably not, but it tasted thin, no body, hardly tasty,
and so on. Maybe they have changed it since then. Why they fool
around with the salt and restrict it, I don't know. Anyone with true
salt restrictions shouldn't be eating at a deli. And not everyone is
salt sensitive despite the fact that anyone with high blood pressure
is told to restrict salt intake.
Daniel Salomon
> Hmmm, you won't find blintzes on the 2nd Av menu. They're completely
> fleishig. Try Ratner's on Delancey St around a block or so west of
> Clinton, for really good blintzes. Their gefilte fish comes in a
> massive chunk, and is quite good, too. Just make sure they bring
> horseradish.
Ratner's went out of business a year or two ago. I think their frozen
brand of food is still available in supermarkets though.
-Dan
Steven Shaw
a place called Lansky Lounge) but was still open last time I passed by --
maybe a month ago.
-Steven A. Shaw
www.fat-guy.com
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blake murphy
Margolies) wrote:
> Anyone with true
>salt restrictions shouldn't be eating at a deli. And not everyone is
>salt sensitive despite the fact that anyone with high blood pressure
>is told to restrict salt intake.
is this still true? i thought salt was off the hook as a high b.p.
villian.
your pal,
lot
Edwin Pawlowski
I think that has changed, but if it was good advice 50 years ago, it must be
today.
About a year ago I read that salt is not the villain, but I don't recall all
the information or attribution.
Ed
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http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
Andy Katz
Salomon) wrote:
Are you sure?
We were just by there, going up Clinton. I admit, we didn't look in
the window, but it seemed, from a block away, just like it always has.
Daniel Salomon
> danielk...@my-deja.com (Daniel Salomon) wrote:
> >Ratner's went out of business a year or two ago. I think their frozen
> >brand of food is still available in supermarkets though.
>
> Are you sure?
>
> We were just by there, going up Clinton. I admit, we didn't look in
> the window, but it seemed, from a block away, just like it always has.
I stand corrected. I just called them, and they're still in business.
In the summer, they are only open on Sundays. I have no idea where I
got the idea they closed.
-Dan
Stan Horwitz
>
> is this still true? i thought salt was off the hook as a high b.p.
> villian.
I have HBP, but my doctor told me that the stress involved in avoiding all
high salt foods would be more harmful than eating such foods in moderation
... and sticking to my daily prescription medicine dose. So far, my doc
seems to be on the right track. Every time I go get my BP checked, its
normal and I make no effort to cut out high salt foods, esp. my beloved
Heinz Ketchup, but I also do not add salt to any food I eat except a
little to the water when I cook pasta or rice.
Stan Horwitz
>
> Ratner's went out of business a year or two ago. I think their frozen
> brand of food is still available in supermarkets though.
I am fairly sure that Ratner's frozen foods are still sold at the
Cherry Hill, NJ ShopRite where I usually shop. The Ratner's potato
pancakes are wonderful!