NYC Gr. Vilage Italian Rest. Strongly Recommended
Hung-Hsien Chang
over the net and it is more likely that you were doing advitisement
in some way or sense. Don't do it again. Because you will receive
a mail from Tom and you will know why.
Steven Bookman (ste...@panix.com) wrote:
: Our party of four enjoyed dinner at PizzaPiazza-Trattoria in
: Greenwich Village NYC this weekend, and highly recommend it:
: PizzaPiazza-Trattoria
: 212 505-0977
: 785 Broadway
: West Side of Broadway between Ninth and Tenth Streets
: The Trattoria is beginning to attract a new following, especially
: on weekends, so reservations are advised.
: PizzaPiazza-Trattoria is an update of the old standby (operating for
: well over ten years) Pizza Piazza at Tenth Street and Broadway. New
: management have turned the restaurant, which has an uncrowded, open
: decor with large picture windows fronting on Tenth Street and on
: Broadway, into a sophisticated restaurant operation.
: Amid these changes the restaurant remains pleasingly informal, and
: the pricing is moderate while the subtlety of the menu offerings
: in most cases matches that of "sophisticated mid-town Italian"
: restaurants such as Il Menestrello and Trattoria dell'arte.
: Some Pizza selections are still available, but these are de-emphasized
: in favor of a diverse selection of more classically Italian dishes.
: Noteworthy among these:
: - Carpaccio di pesce spada con finocchio
: [Thinly sliced raw swordfish with anise, lemon,
: and olive oil]
: - Insalata di finocchio rucola e parmigiano
: [Arugula and fennel salad with shredded Parmesan cheese]
: - Insalata di bresaola con rucola e parmigiano
: [Dried cured beef in oil and lemon with Parmesan
: cheese and arugula]
: - Ravioli di spinaci e ricotta burro e salvia
: [Homemade ravioli filled with spinach, ricotta in butter,
: sage, and Parmesan]
: - Battuta di pollo in pizzaiola
: [Chicken scaloppine with black olives, garlic, capers
: and tomato]
: Chef Antonio Lombardi, formerly of Paper Moon is responsible for the
: kitchen.
: The new general manager has a diverse restaurant entrepreneurship
: background, including shares in other Manhattan restaurants, as well
: as another Trattoria in the Turks and Caicos.
: --
: ----------------------------------------------------
: E-mail address for Steven Bookman: ste...@panix.com
: Location: New York City.
: ----------------------------------------------------
Donald Scott Macron
: Just hope it true. Well... maybe not, you are spamming
: in some way or sense. Don't do it again. Because you will receive
: a mail from Tom and you will know why.
Just as another aside, I have been to PizzaPiazza twice, and both time found
the food to be mediocre, overpriced, and roughly akin to some of the mini-
chains around the city. Their service was unprofessional, and
disinterested in their customer, at best. I, and my guests, heartily
disliked the experience, were unimpressed, and I would not go there again.
Additionally, because of my bad experiences with the original restraunt, I
am not encouraged by the "more-of-the-same-but-upscale" sound of this new
offshoot.
This is all, of course, my opinion, but I really-couldn't let such a
one-sided hard-sell as the initial post go ignored and unremarked. Do
with my input as you like.
One final note: I last ate there about sixteen months ago, so it is
*possible* it has improved. Also, I beleieve that Zagat's gave it a
'mixed' rating, which indicates to me that what could be fine one night
could be less than that another. YMMV.
Steve Manes
: Amid these changes the restaurant remains pleasingly informal, and
: the pricing is moderate while the subtlety of the menu offerings
: in most cases matches that of "sophisticated mid-town Italian"
: restaurants such as Il Menestrello and Trattoria dell'arte.
No offense, but the execution of those menu offerings doesn't really come
anywhere close to the quality of Trattoria Dell'Arte or Il Menestrello. My
impression the last time I ate at Pizza Piazza was that it was a cut or two
above Pizzaria Uno... decent, but nothing special. Also, the ambience is a
bit like a mall Olive Garden.
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Steve Manes La Bouillabaisse
ma...@magpie.com Brooklyn Heights, NY
Yet Another Steve
Bookman) wrote:
> Our party of four enjoyed dinner at [a restaurant] in
> Greenwich Village NYC this weekend, and highly recommend it:
[snip]
A blatant advertisement for a local restaurant, very thinly disguised as a
review, posted to several newsgroups read by people all over the world.
Hoo boy. Right up there with telling us about the cute craft items your
wife is making for Christmas presents, and how we can buy them at your local
craft outlet.
Steve
mike bassman
>Our party of four enjoyed dinner at PizzaPiazza-Trattoria in
>Greenwich Village NYC this weekend, and highly recommend it:
What a scumbag! Clearly an advertisement, and won't cop to it in
his followup post.
btw, the place has been around forever. When it was new (about
10 years ago) it sucked, too.
mike
Punky Brewster's BBS
>Just hope it true. Well... maybe not, you are spamming
>over the net and it is more likely that you were doing advitisement
>in some way or sense. Don't do it again. Because you will receive
>a mail from Tom and you will know why.
>
>
>
>: Our party of four enjoyed dinner at PizzaPiazza-Trattoria in
>: Greenwich Village NYC this weekend, and highly recommend it:
>
>: 212 505-0977
>: 785 Broadway
>: West Side of Broadway between Ninth and Tenth Streets
>
>: The Trattoria is beginning to attract a new following, especially
>: on weekends, so reservations are advised.
>
>: PizzaPiazza-Trattoria is an update of the old standby (operating for
>: well over ten years) Pizza Piazza at Tenth Street and Broadway. New
>: management have turned the restaurant, which has an uncrowded, open
>: decor with large picture windows fronting on Tenth Street and on
>: Broadway, into a sophisticated restaurant operation.
>
>: the pricing is moderate while the subtlety of the menu offerings
>: in most cases matches that of "sophisticated mid-town Italian"
>: restaurants such as Il Menestrello and Trattoria dell'arte.
>
>: in favor of a diverse selection of more classically Italian dishes.
>
>: Noteworthy among these:
>
>: - Carpaccio di pesce spada con finocchio
>: [Thinly sliced raw swordfish with anise, lemon,
>: and olive oil]
>
>: - Insalata di finocchio rucola e parmigiano
>: [Arugula and fennel salad with shredded Parmesan cheese]
>
>: - Insalata di bresaola con rucola e parmigiano
>: [Dried cured beef in oil and lemon with Parmesan
>: cheese and arugula]
>
>: - Ravioli di spinaci e ricotta burro e salvia
>: [Homemade ravioli filled with spinach, ricotta in butter,
>: sage, and Parmesan]
>
>: - Battuta di pollo in pizzaiola
>: [Chicken scaloppine with black olives, garlic, capers
>: and tomato]
>
>: Chef Antonio Lombardi, formerly of Paper Moon is responsible for the
>: kitchen.
>
>: The new general manager has a diverse restaurant entrepreneurship
>: background, including shares in other Manhattan restaurants, as well
>: as another Trattoria in the Turks and Caicos.
This sounds half-way decent... Maybe they'll make it the second time
around (It's always better than the first time ;-)
Bs.
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Hung-Hsien Chang
I think we have to stop this. The first mail I sent is becaue
I have seen the Newsgroups with long header:
Newsgroups: rec.food.restaurants,rec.travel.usa-canada,soc.culture.italian,alt.restaurants,alt.food,nyc.food,nyc.general,nyc.announce,ny.general,rec.travel
So I assume that he is spamming over the network. It could be
that he accidently use the "follow" up or some how it gets into
all these newsgroup.
My posting is just out of precaution and suggestions. Nothing malicious
nor accusing him of any wrong doing.
There is no need for this. Besides, he might be recommending
a good restaurant.
Punky Brewster's BBS (bryan_...@soleil.blkcat.com) wrote:
LeeB
>From: ma...@magpie.com (Steve Manes)
>Subject: Re: NYC Gr. Vilage Italian Rest. Strongly Recommended
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:40:01 GMT
>Steven Bookman (ste...@panix.com) wrote:
>: Amid these changes the restaurant remains pleasingly informal, and
>: the pricing is moderate while the subtlety of the menu offerings
>: in most cases matches that of "sophisticated mid-town Italian"
>: restaurants such as Il Menestrello and Trattoria dell'arte.
>No offense, but the execution of those menu offerings doesn't really come
>anywhere close to the quality of Trattoria Dell'Arte or Il Menestrello. My
>impression the last time I ate at Pizza Piazza was that it was a cut or two
>above Pizzaria Uno... decent, but nothing special. Also, the ambience is a
>bit like a mall Olive Garden.
>------------[ http://www.nylink.org/~manes/bouillabaisse.html ]-------------
> Steve Manes La Bouillabaisse
> ma...@magpie.com Brooklyn Heights, NY
Olive Garden.................You ARE a tough critic <GG>
Kerry M Miller
OK, rather than bitch, lets help our spammer-in-denial
improve his naturalness so that he will operate more
stealthily next time.
: Our party of four enjoyed dinner at PizzaPiazza-Trattoria in
: Greenwich Village NYC this weekend, and highly recommend it:
Barely plausible. I was onto you right there...sounds too
formal and prepared. Lets try the following opening
instead:
"Me and four freinds checked out a new place called
PizzaPiazza Tratorria this weekend. In the village,
Broadway, between 9th&10th. All in all, we were
fairly impressed, especially since its virtually
axiomatic that any restaurant with the word "Pizza"
in the name is guaranteed to be pretty run-of-the-mill".
: PizzaPiazza-Trattoria
: 212 505-0977
: 785 Broadway
: West Side of Broadway between Ninth and Tenth Streets
Don't give the phone number or address, it's *way* too
obvious.
: The Trattoria is beginning to attract a new following, especially
: on weekends, so reservations are advised.
Awfully sales-y. "beginning to attract a new following, especially
on weekends". How would you know this since you just
tried it out for the first time? Ick. Lets replace that with:
"The place was pretty much hopping - Although I was just
thankful to get a table at all in a pizza joint on
Saturday night. Probably good to do a res."
: PizzaPiazza-Trattoria is an update of the old standby (operating for
: well over ten years) Pizza Piazza at Tenth Street and Broadway. New
: management have turned the restaurant, which has an uncrowded, open
: decor with large picture windows fronting on Tenth Street and on
: Broadway, into a sophisticated restaurant operation.
*Way* too wordy. Displays far too much interest. Let's try:
"Nice decor, not tacky. Defintely an upgrade from the
old place, which pretty much sucked."
: Amid these changes the restaurant remains pleasingly informal, and
: the pricing is moderate while the subtlety of the menu offerings
: in most cases matches that of "sophisticated mid-town Italian"
: restaurants such as Il Menestrello and Trattoria dell'arte.
: Some Pizza selections are still available, but these are de-emphasized
: in favor of a diverse selection of more classically Italian dishes.
Beyond shameless. Just skip the whole section.
: Noteworthy among these:
: - Carpaccio di pesce spada con finocchio
: [Thinly sliced raw swordfish with anise, lemon,
: and olive oil]
: - Insalata di finocchio rucola e parmigiano
: [Arugula and fennel salad with shredded Parmesan cheese]
: - Insalata di bresaola con rucola e parmigiano
: [Dried cured beef in oil and lemon with Parmesan
: cheese and arugula]
: - Ravioli di spinaci e ricotta burro e salvia
: [Homemade ravioli filled with spinach, ricotta in butter,
: sage, and Parmesan]
: - Battuta di pollo in pizzaiola
: [Chicken scaloppine with black olives, garlic, capers
: and tomato]
If you still had anyone going at this point, you just lost
them with the menu listing. Who's gonna believe that a guy
with a last name like Bookman is gonna be able to reel
off five names like "Ravioli di spinaci e ricotta burro e salvia"?
Let's just replace the whole section with:
"The homemade ravioli was good, and my girlfreind, who's a chef,
really dug the Chicken scalopinne". Note that to make it
look good, you should misspell a few of the tougher words,
like "scaloppine".
: Chef Antonio Lombardi, formerly of Paper Moon is responsible for the
: kitchen.
: The new general manager has a diverse restaurant entrepreneurship
: background, including shares in other Manhattan restaurants, as well
: as another Trattoria in the Turks and Caicos.
Drop it. Your there with three freinds, remember? You
most definitely arent going to go up and get the resumes
of the staff. Let's just leave off with:
"It makes a nice local addition. Check it out, but don't
tell too many people."
Kerry M Miller
: In <4ak78p$e...@webprod2.lehman.com> mbas...@lehman.com (mike bassman) writes:
: >ste...@panix.com (Steven Bookman) wrote:
: >>Our party of four enjoyed dinner at PizzaPiazza-Trattoria in
: >>Greenwich Village NYC this weekend, and highly recommend it:
: >What a scumbag! Clearly an advertisement, and won't cop to it in
: >his followup post.
: Is the above the standard of business and interpersonal
: communications at Lehman Brothers, Mr. Bassman?
Obviously not a Wall-streeter. That's the *minimum*
acceptable level of obnoxiousness for anyone not
in Retail at Lehman.
And if anyone's taking a vote, this *was* a blatant
advertisement. That you would try to deny it is
just plain rediculous.
Raymond Blum
>Steven Bookman (ste...@panix.com) wrote:
>
>
>: Chef Antonio Lombardi, formerly of Paper Moon is responsible for the
>: kitchen.
>
>: The new general manager has a diverse restaurant entrepreneurship
>: background, including shares in other Manhattan restaurants, as well
>: as another Trattoria in the Turks and Caicos.
>
>Drop it. Your there with three freinds, remember? You
>most definitely arent going to go up and get the resumes
>of the staff.
You said it all! ("Gee honey, I'm so impressed with this place, let's
go meet the kitchen staff! Maybe we can get a tour?!")
---Raymond
Donald Scott Macron
: Is it so hard to imagine a restaurant manager working the tables,
: greeting guests, and having a three minute conversation about
: what he is trying to do, in response to praise from a first time
: diner?
Sorry, but it sounds like you were writing a newspaper report, not an
honest, off-the-cuff review.
Unless you were taking some rather extensive notes, and you had an
extremely in-depth conversation with the staff, your post looks rather
disingenuous.
Kerry M Miller
: In <4apkcn$7...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> hub...@happy.cs.nyu.edu (Hung-Hsien Chang) writes:
: >I think we have to stop this. The first mail I sent is becaue
: Stop what? ? A single post with a sincere dining recommendation?
As if!!
: >So I assume that he is spamming over the network. It could be
:
: One solitary post is "spamming"?
When it is a thinly veiled commerical post, and it is directed to:
rec.food.restaurants Discussion of dining out.
rec.travel.usa-canada Travel in the United States and Canada.
soc.culture.italian The Italian people and their culture.
alt.restaurants
alt.food
nyc.food Eating out around the New York City area.
nyc.general Items of general interest in NYC.
nyc.announce Announcements in NYC.
ny.general Items of general interest in New York.
rec.travel
Then most definitely YES, it is spam. You must have *really*
liked that meal to take the trouble to include soc.culture.italian
and rec.travel.usa-canada !
: Slander is malicious - curb your doggerel!
Slander? Sounded like he was just calling a spade a spade,
if you ask me. Now heading up a post with a sophisticated,
well conceived topic like "Hung-Hsien Chang is a Jerk", well
now, THAT just might be considered slander.
Mr. Bookman, buy a clue: admit you screwed up, apologize, and move on,
because nobody is buying your I'm-just-a-persecuted-innocent
line of BS...
I'll give you this - you are defining a whole new level
of cluelessness.
Yet Another Steve
(Donald Scott Macron) wrote:
> Steven Bookman (ste...@panix.com) wrote:
>
> : Is it so hard to imagine a restaurant manager working the tables,
> : greeting guests, and having a three minute conversation about
> : what he is trying to do, in response to praise from a first time
> : diner?
>
> Sorry, but it sounds like you were writing a newspaper report, not an
> honest, off-the-cuff review.
Report? Try "advertisement."
Steve
David Wright
<well-said stuff snipped for brevity>
>Slander? Sounded like he was just calling a spade a spade,
>if you ask me. Now heading up a post with a sophisticated,
>well conceived topic like "Hung-Hsien Chang is a Jerk", well
>now, THAT just might be considered slander.
>Mr. Bookman, buy a clue: admit you screwed up, apologize, and move on,
>because nobody is buying your I'm-just-a-persecuted-innocent
>line of BS...
I'd rather he didn't apologize because that would mean yet another
post from him. He's written enough.
David
Tim H
hub...@happy.cs.nyu.edu (Hung-Hsien Chang) writes:
<BLAH BLAH BLAH unrelated to all of these newsgroups friggin' BLAH DELETED!>
Why don't you girls kiss and make up? Whatever you do, do it in e-mail.
Donald Scott Macron
: >Sorry, but it sounds like you were writing a newspaper report, not an
: >honest, off-the-cuff review.
: So you are the arbiter of the honesty level of someone you have
: never met. Perhaps you're projecting, Mr. Macron.
No, but I certainly can assess a writing style and a level of detail in
a post. I can also see that you're pretty damn defensive, more than a
bit hostile, and a fine candidate for asshole of the week.
cetra
I'm confused -- these people aren't girls?? Oh, I know, you are insulting them
by calling them girls. But hold on, I'm a little girl reading this newsgroup.
Does this mean you are insulting me too? Cute.
.
Pierre Jelenc
> :
> : One solitary post is "spamming"?
>
> When it is a thinly veiled commerical post, and it is directed to:
>
> rec.food.restaurants Discussion of dining out.
> rec.travel.usa-canada Travel in the United States and Canada.
> soc.culture.italian The Italian people and their culture.
> alt.restaurants
> alt.food
> nyc.food Eating out around the New York City area.
> nyc.general Items of general interest in NYC.
> nyc.announce Announcements in NYC.
> ny.general Items of general interest in New York.
> rec.travel
>
> Then most definitely YES, it is spam.
Then you haven't got a clue what "spam" means. Please find out instead of
displaying your ignorance all over the world.
Pierre
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Dec 19, 1995
Tim H
No, it doesn't mean that I am insulting you. However, you do seem to have
taken some insult from my silly little post, although it had absolutely
nothing to do with you.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Get over it.
Steven Cherry
>In article <4b2u41$h...@netnews.upenn.edu>, dma...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu
>(Donald Scott Macron) wrote:
>> Steven Bookman (ste...@panix.com) wrote:
>>
>> : Is it so hard to imagine a restaurant manager working the tables,
>> : greeting guests, and having a three minute conversation about
>> : what he is trying to do, in response to praise from a first time
>> : diner?
>>
>> Sorry, but it sounds like you were writing a newspaper report, not an
>> honest, off-the-cuff review.
He didn't say it was an off-the-cuff review.
>Report? Try "advertisement."
I'm a little late to this hanging party, but I see it's still going on a
week after I was last in this newsgroup.
I'm not a close friend of Steve Bookman's, but I've met him a couple of
times, and I can assure you:
1. He works in the computer world, not the restaurant or reviewing worlds.
2. He really does write like this all the time. Hell, he even talks like
this.
I agree that this was too widely crossposted (nyc.announce? c'mon, Steve!)
but not insanely. He did seem to be a bit wild for the place, but we all
fall in love with restaurants that others are less enthusiastic about (if
this has never happened to you, you may not be in the right newsgroup).
I suspect if everyone stopped the feeding frenzy, he would acknowledge
both of these. As it is, people have been writing things that are far less
defensible than what Bookman did, and left him too busy defending himself
to get to that.
--
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=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"Arrogance doesn't disturb or impress us. We understand arrogance."
-- Josh Boger, Vertex
Leon Schwarzbaum
Strongly Recommended>, 'hub...@happy.cs.nyu.edu (Hung-Hsien Chang)' wrote:
>
>nor accusing him of any wrong doing.
wordman
Donald Scott Macron
: In <4b6jeu$2...@netnews.upenn.edu> dma...@mail2.sas.upenn.edu (Donald Scott Macron) writes:
: >Steven Bookman (ste...@panix.com) wrote:
: >: >Sorry, but it sounds like you were writing a newspaper report, not an
: >: >honest, off-the-cuff review.
: >: So you are the arbiter of the honesty level of someone you have
: >: never met. Perhaps you're projecting, Mr. Macron.
: >No, but I certainly can assess a writing style and a level of detail in
: >a post. I can also see that you're pretty damn defensive, more than a
: >bit hostile, and a fine candidate for asshole of the week.
: Too bad you are so automatically wary of people whose views and
: opinions you encounter. It must be an energy-draining lifestyle.
Steve:
Perhaps if you'd have addressed the rather legitimate questions
about your original posting, you'd never have taken such flak. Perhaps
if you'd cut out the personal attacks, you'd be taken for something
better than guy who spends too much time with his computer and too little
taking the recommended doses of prozac.
I don't need to meet you to suspect you are a liar; your post has
caused more than a few people to doubt your veracity. If you make a
statement in a public forum that is questionable, expect to be
questioned. If you shout it to the universe (or in this case, in
newsgroups of dubious propriety), expect to be questioned *alot*. If you
back up your original statement with spiteful, baseless vitriol, expect
to get flamed.
I'm not wary of people with "opinions" and "views". I *am* wary
of people who blatantly trumpet suspicious endorsements in inappropriate
forums, particularly when I have good reason to think these endorsements
ain't worth the electrons they're transmitted on. Hell, my freakin'
*cats* have views (rather strong ones, I'd suspect) on the qualities of
certain types of salmon-innards -- this doesn't mean I'm about to agree
with them. I happen to think that the restaurant you endlessly droned
on about was crap, and I think your post has an unwarranted
enthusiasm that borders on fanatic. I *think* you're a liar. Who knows
-- you might just be someone with absolutely no taste, who normally
sounds like a cheap used-car salesman.
If you make insane comparisons between this place and others (which
are commonly held to be head-and-sholders above it), expect people to raise
red flags. I sure as hell am not going to let you spam your one-sided
propaganda for a place without presenting another side to the story.
I even gave you the benefit of the doubt by qualifying my
original post: although your commentary sounded as contrived as a White
House press release, I *did* note that there may have been management
changes since I had last visited the place. Instead of focusing on this,
and admitting that your hard-sell had all the subtlety of a jack-hammer
and the charm of MAKE MONEY FAST, you went for blood. Fine; I think
you're being an asshole.
Incidentally, I have been informed that these kind of posts are
representitive of your general temperment and behavior. I pity those
who are forced to be around you. You're free to flame me through the
e-mail, but I'm just gonna kill-file you from my newsreader, since this
public vendetta of yours has gone on far too long.
regina
pizza, but I was young and stupid then. i didn't know any better.
Want good pizza? If you can dare cross the bridge, come to brooklyn.
THere's Patsy's undr the brooklyn bridge where the dough is fresh and so
is the cheese. Also try Tottonn's on Coney Island--even
better!mbas...@lehman.com (mike bassman) wrote:
>ste...@panix.com (Steven Bookman) wrote:
>
>
>>Our party of four enjoyed dinner at PizzaPiazza-Trattoria in
>>Greenwich Village NYC this weekend, and highly recommend it:
>
>What a scumbag! Clearly an advertisement, and won't cop to it in
>his followup post.
>
>btw, the place has been around forever. When it was new (about
>10 years ago) it sucked, too.
>
>mike
>
mbas...@lehman.com (mike bassman) wrote:
>ste...@panix.com (Steven Bookman) wrote:
>
>
>>Our party of four enjoyed dinner at PizzaPiazza-Trattoria in
>>Greenwich Village NYC this weekend, and highly recommend it:
>
>What a scumbag! Clearly an advertisement, and won't cop to it in
>his followup post.
>
>btw, the place has been around forever. When it was new (about
>10 years ago) it sucked, too.
>
>mike
>
C. Wesley Grady
I agree that this argument/discussion has gone on far longer
than anyone would want and hope that it dies from lack of
further interest. That does not, however, justify your
insensitive remarks about "girls". I don't think Ms. Miller
has a chip on her shoulder and I think your post was in poor
taste, period. A simple appology would be in order.
dam
: Want good pizza? If you can dare cross the bridge, come to brooklyn.
: THere's Patsy's undr the brooklyn bridge where the dough is fresh and so
: is the cheese.
is Patsy's a chain? i saw one reviewed on 'TV Diners' that i
recall as being near Madison Square Garden somewhere, and it
looked great...i was thinking about eating there when i'm in
the city next week...
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Hung-Hsien Chang
Dear Mr. Jelenc:
"Spamming" is the user news jargon and I doubt very
much one could find it from any dictionary. I think
Mr. Kerry Miller was not being ignorant.
While ignorance appears as often as arrogance
in daily life.( It means I experience them
as well as exhibit them. )I would say the former
is more welcomed. Don't you think?
Bests,
Hubert
Pierre Jelenc (rc...@panix.com) wrote:
Hung-Hsien Chang
This thread has been carrying too long.
I would say Mr. Bookman's replying style is
very unwelcomed while my first posting
indicate only his improper posting.
Happy holiday everyone! It is cold out there,
it should be warmer here.( internet)
All the best,
Hubert
Steven Cherry (s...@panix.com) wrote:
: In <Steve_Hoffmann-...@shoffman.sdd.trw.com> Steve_H...@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM (Yet Another Steve) writes:
: >In article <4b2u41$h...@netnews.upenn.edu>, dma...@mail1.sas.upenn.edu
: >(Donald Scott Macron) wrote:
: >> Steven Bookman (ste...@panix.com) wrote:
: >>
: >> : Is it so hard to imagine a restaurant manager working the tables,
: >> : greeting guests, and having a three minute conversation about
: >> : what he is trying to do, in response to praise from a first time
: >> : diner?
: >>
: >> Sorry, but it sounds like you were writing a newspaper report, not an
: >> honest, off-the-cuff review.
: He didn't say it was an off-the-cuff review.
Tim H
This "political correctness" bullshit has gone far enough. I jokingly said
something about how "you girls should kiss and make up" or some such nonsense.
How on earth this could get anybody's panties in a wad, I just don't know. I
am about as liberal as they come, but I just don't understand why some people
think ANY reference to gender is insensitive or in poor taste.
"Ms." Miller and I had an extensive conversation via e-mail that you were not
privy to, so I'd like to suggest it stopped being your business at that point.
And "Ms." Miller claims that her name is "Steve." Go figure.
Anyway, if it makes you happy, here goes:
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry you can't spell "apology."
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Mr. Pink: "Tagged a couple of cops. Did you kill anybody?
Mr. White: "A few cops."
Mr. Pink: "No real people?"
Mr. White: "Uh-uh, just cops." Reservoir Dogs
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Jeremy Kareken
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: In article <DJyoo...@news2.new-york.net>, ti...@carroll.com (Tim H)
wrote: : : > This "political correctness" bullshit has gone far enough.
I jokingly said : > something about how "you girls should kiss and make
up" or some such : nonsense. : > How on earth this could get anybody's
panties in a wad, I just don't know. I : > am about as liberal as they
come, but I just don't understand why some people : > think ANY reference
to gender is insensitive or in poor taste.
: And they don't come any more disinclined to follow a line of reasoning
: because it's supposed to be PC than me, but take a look at your comment.
: You referred to a guy as a girl and for the sole reason of belittling
: him. I don't know how better to indicate an opinion that "girls" are an
: inherently inferior species.
Species? Did he say anything about species? The term "girl" refers to
both age and sex. Are girls an inferior part of our species? That
remains to be seen. Let us ponder that question:
In order to consider "inferiority," which is a relative term, we must
consider "superiority." Now, with the a priori assumption that girls are
inferior, we are left with three other categories in our species: boys,
adult males and adult females. Now, are these three categories, in
relation to girls, superior? One can come up with exceptions of "better"
and "worse" all the time, so let's limit our question to the following:
Are girls, that is to say "pre-pubescent females," inferior to
pre-or-post-pubescent males and post-pubescent females?
Now, we are stumped with a value question. What is "inferior?" What is
"superior?" Aristotle employed a "use" definition of qualitative judgment
to determine whether or not things were better or worse than others. He
wrote, in Nicomachean Ethics, that a thing was a better thing if it was
better at its USE. A doorstop made a better doorstop than a blender,
because a blender is better at blending than a doorstop. Now, throwing
away all teleological implications on what humans are used for, it is
clear that how fully one acheives one's destiny that one is happiest.
So we come to the question: Who's happier? Women, girls, boys or men?
I think that we can discount the fact that girls and boys acheive their
destiny... simply because they are immature. Maturity DEFINES lack af
acheivement of one's destiny. And, it's clear that in western
civilization, that women are traditionally kept from a career track. And
in MODERN civilization, they are kept from having too many children, an
obvious use for women, simply based on design. So, that's TWO destinies
denied women in today's culture.
However, men are free to kill, rape, plunder and go into legal practice.
Even if they are "caught" by the "legal system," they can do all of these
things in prison. So it is clear that MEN are superior to women, girls
and boys.
Now, if we realize that in school, girls do better than boys,
realizing the act of immaturity better than boys, we can rate our
categories by rank of superiority:
1. MEN
2. Women
3. Girls
4. Boys.
I think that it's clear from this monograph that, objectively, the
original poster should have said, "you boys should kiss and make up."
I hope this clears things up.
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Harlan Messinger
which it is posted. Please take it to e-mail.
Jeremy Kareken (kare...@haven.ios.com) wrote:
: .wisc.edu> <DJvAv...@news2.new-york.net> <4bbu6r$r...@over.mhv.net> <DJyoo...@news2.new-york.net> <bux-221295...@bux.escape.com>
Pierre Jelenc
>
> Dear Mr. Jelenc:
>
> "Spamming" is the user news jargon and I doubt very
> much one could find it from any dictionary. I think
> Mr. Kerry Miller was not being ignorant.
"Spam" has a very precise meaning on Usenet:
A spam is by definition an article posted individually to multiple
newsgroups and NOT crossposted. A spam is a question of bandwidth and disk
storage space. It has nothing whatsoever to do with content, be it
advertising, off-topic articles, binaries in discussions, or whatever.
One article crossposted to a few newsgroups is not and cannot be spam, no
matter how much you object to it.
The news.announce.* and news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchies are excellent
places to learn about these things and the serious problems that they
cause to the news mechanism. Minor crossposting, no matter how annoying,
is merely annoying. Spamming consumes scarce resources.
Robert Buxbaum
> This "political correctness" bullshit has gone far enough. I jokingly said
> something about how "you girls should kiss and make up" or some such
nonsense.
> How on earth this could get anybody's panties in a wad, I just don't know. I
> am about as liberal as they come, but I just don't understand why some people
> think ANY reference to gender is insensitive or in poor taste.
And they don't come any more disinclined to follow a line of reasoning
because it's supposed to be PC than me, but take a look at your comment.
You referred to a guy as a girl and for the sole reason of belittling
him. I don't know how better to indicate an opinion that "girls" are an
inherently inferior species. This is not *any* reference to gender. This
is a specific reference to one gender as put down. Hey, I know what you
meant in terms of the school yard and locker room banter of my youth, but
I also understand why some people are offended. Offending people is
considered in bad taste and insensitive in some circles. You're free to
express yourself here as you wish. Respect others' rights to be offended
without getting your own panties in a wad. One needn't agree to
understand. I don't think one need toe a PC line to understand the
reasoning behind the response one is likely to get.
Steven Cherry
>>BTW guys Patsy's has been in Spanish Harlem way before it was in Brooklyn. I used to stop there on the way
>to the Yankee games.. I believe it is better in Spanish Harlem than in
>Brooklyn...and im from Brooklyn.....I believe its !st ave and 116 st.
You misplet "Italian Harlem." HTH.
-steven-
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nybo...@loop.com
>I agree. Pizza Piazza is not so great. I used to like their chicken
>pizza, but I was young and stupid then. i didn't know any better.
>
>Want good pizza? If you can dare cross the bridge, come to brooklyn.
>THere's Patsy's undr the brooklyn bridge where the dough is fresh and so
>is the cheese. Also try Tottonn's on Coney Island--even
>better!mbas...@lehman.com (mike bassman) wrote:
>>ste...@panix.com (Steven Bookman) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Our party of four enjoyed dinner at PizzaPiazza-Trattoria in
>>>Greenwich Village NYC this weekend, and highly recommend it:
>>
>>What a scumbag! Clearly an advertisement, and won't cop to it in
>>his followup post.
>>
>>btw, the place has been around forever. When it was new (about
>>10 years ago) it sucked, too.
>>
>>mike
>>
>mbas...@lehman.com (mike bassman) wrote:
>>ste...@panix.com (Steven Bookman) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Our party of four enjoyed dinner at PizzaPiazza-Trattoria in
>>>Greenwich Village NYC this weekend, and highly recommend it:
>>
>>What a scumbag! Clearly an advertisement, and won't cop to it in
>>his followup post.
>>
>>btw, the place has been around forever. When it was new (about
>>10 years ago) it sucked, too.
>>
>>mike
>>
>BTW guys Patsy's has been in Spanish Harlem way before it was in Brooklyn. I used to stop there on the way
to the Yankee games.. I believe it is better in Spanish Harlem than in
Brooklyn...and im from Brooklyn.....I believe its !st ave and 116 st.
Call 411
>
Lorenzo Sala
there's a place called "La pizzaccia" means something like the worst
pizza, the chefs in there keeps on insulting you and it's not so cheap
(around 35 $ each) but belive me I've tasted around 11 pizzas and 5 kinds
of pasta.. had a great espresso and a chocolate-full cake. Well I know
it's not in NYC but it's surel better than the one I had in NYC 2 years
ago.
regina
patsy's in brroklyn is acompletely different owner. the guy who owns the
one in brooklyn learned how to make pizza at lombardis, i think, which
has recently re-opened i little italy.
patsy's in manhattan may be older than patsy's in brooklyn, but neither
of them are older than Tottonno's on Coney Island.