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Gloria P

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Aug 20, 2008, 9:02:22 PM8/20/08
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I posted here a week or so ago that I had run out of jam jars before
the apricot crop ended so I bought another case on sale at my
Albertson's (no longer part of the chain although still doing business
under the name.) The case was on sale for $5.99 (from $6.99) and I
assumed they were trying to sell out before the demand dwindled.

I was in the store today and walked by the canning area only to see a
new supply of jars at $8.79 a case. Yikes. Now I know why homemade jams
and preserves I see at farmer's markets and bake sales are so costly.
This hobby is starting to get expensive!

gloria p

Kathi Jones

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Aug 20, 2008, 9:55:24 PM8/20/08
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"Gloria P" <gpue...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I hear ya! When canning season started, my store got Golden Harvest jars in
at $5.99 a case....oil prices and everything else started to go up, and now
the same jars are $6.19....not as huge a hike as yours, but then I NEVER see
jars go on sale. Ever. I guess if I do, I'll stock up

Kathi


Mimi

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Aug 20, 2008, 11:10:11 PM8/20/08
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This is why I threaten my lucky recipients that if they don't return
the jar, no more good stuff. : - ) Jars are expensive. Even my Dad
is going to bring me his empty jars back in his luggage at
Thanksgiving when he visits. A dozen half-pint Kerr jars is $6.96 at
Wally World. They do come with the lids/bands so I figure about $2-$3
of that is part of the cost. I buy as many as I can find at thrift/
charity shops. My unofficially adopted son, who happens to salivate
over my pear butter, always returns the jars and brings other possible
reuseables in addition. He really is trying to help his adopted Mom
out. : - )

Ted Mittelstaedt

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Aug 20, 2008, 11:49:54 PM8/20/08
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"Gloria P" <gpue...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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They ran out of jars and it is so close to the end of the season they
decided it was better to have product on the shelf than an empty
shelf, so they ordered a pallet of them. The problem is that being
so close to the end, they know that some aren't going to sell - until
they knock them down 50% off during the very last part of the season
and all the vultures come running in. Thus, the high price now - they
are hoping to maybe get half of them unloaded at that price before
they have to mark them down.

Keep an eye on them. I would bet you will see them red-tag those
jars for about a week at $4 - $4.50, then all will be gone.

Ted


George Shirley

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Aug 21, 2008, 8:41:48 AM8/21/08
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Took Tilly Dawg with me to the vet's office yesterday to buy some dawg
food. Last bag I bought was $7.87 plus tax, about a month ago.
Yesterday's bag was $10.00 plus tax, rising fuel costs get into everything.

On the other hand, my oil company stock has jumped ten bucks a share in
the last few months. It's win a few, lose a few.

Geoffrey S. Mendelson

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Aug 21, 2008, 8:59:02 AM8/21/08
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George Shirley wrote:
> Took Tilly Dawg with me to the vet's office yesterday to buy some dawg
> food. Last bag I bought was $7.87 plus tax, about a month ago.
> Yesterday's bag was $10.00 plus tax, rising fuel costs get into everything.

We buy our cat food in 25 kilo bags (55 pounds). A year ago they were 125
sheckels, now they are 250. Not only that, but with the slide of the dollar
in value it went from 125 @ 4.25 ($30) to 250 @ 3.5 ($70). Last month
when oil was at it's highest, the dollar was 3.25.

Besides the price of shipping going up, the removal of Chinese pet food
from the market raised the demand for other's countries products.
We used to get cat food from Canada, now that goes to the US and we get it
from Brazil.

Geoff.
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Mimi

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Aug 21, 2008, 9:43:36 AM8/21/08
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The food I buy for my ferrets has jumped $2 a 4 pound bag...good thing
they don't eat very much and I only have two right now...

Geoff--What kind of jars do you get in Israel???

Anny Middon

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Aug 21, 2008, 10:45:10 AM8/21/08
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"Gloria P" <gpue...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Our local version of Safeway is Dominick's, which of late has seemed to be
more expensive than Jewel (local version of Albertson's). (FWIW these are
the only 2 chains that have broad coverage of the Chicago area [and last I
heard, Safeway was trying to sell off the Dominick's stores]. Even Walmart
and Target have limited stores with groceries. There is a local chain or
two with partial coverage of the area, and Meijer seems to be slowly coming
in. But it does seem odd that such a large market has so little national
chain competition.)

At any rate, I was at Dominick's a few weeks ago, and noticed they had a
nice end cap display of canning products -- jars, pectin, canning salt,
pickling spices.

Jars were priced at $12.99 per case.

Anny


Melba's Jammin'

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Aug 21, 2008, 10:21:32 PM8/21/08
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In article <0cfrk.20397$uE5....@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com>,

"Anny Middon" <AnnyM...@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
> At any rate, I was at Dominick's a few weeks ago, and noticed they had a
> nice end cap display of canning products -- jars, pectin, canning salt,
> pickling spices.
>
> Jars were priced at $12.99 per case.
>
> Anny

Holy crap! I may be REQUIRING my jars back if it gets to that here!
JAY-zuzz!

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Marie Dodge

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Aug 22, 2008, 2:01:02 AM8/22/08
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"Gloria P" <gpue...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Indeed it is. When I got back into canning after 20 years I went into
sticker shock at the price of jars and lids.

>
> gloria p

Marie Dodge

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Aug 22, 2008, 2:06:01 AM8/22/08
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"George Shirley" <gsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Took Tilly Dawg with me to the vet's office yesterday to buy some dawg
> food. Last bag I bought was $7.87 plus tax, about a month ago. Yesterday's
> bag was $10.00 plus tax, rising fuel costs get into everything.

Common garden 10-10-10 fertilizer has doubled in price at Lowe's. Add
another $100 for insecticides this year. Gardening and canning are getting
very expensive. :(

George Shirley

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Aug 22, 2008, 8:42:03 AM8/22/08
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Marie Dodge wrote:
>
> "George Shirley" <gsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:ikdrk.14188$De7....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>> Took Tilly Dawg with me to the vet's office yesterday to buy some dawg
>> food. Last bag I bought was $7.87 plus tax, about a month ago.
>> Yesterday's bag was $10.00 plus tax, rising fuel costs get into
>> everything.
>
> Common garden 10-10-10 fertilizer has doubled in price at Lowe's. Add
> another $100 for insecticides this year. Gardening and canning are
> getting very expensive. :(
Marie, have you considered organic bug controls? I use beneficial
nematodes to wipe out squash bug populations and other grub worms to
boot. Also use Safer insecticide soap to get rid of aphids and Bt to get
rid of other bugs. My fruit trees are sprayed with dormant oil (canola)
with pyrethrum in it for white scale and other long-term insects.
Peaceful Valley Supply is one place for beneficial insects but I go to
www. arbico-organics.com to get mine. Yes, they're more expensive but
they seem to work for a long time.

Marie Dodge

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Aug 22, 2008, 2:21:53 PM8/22/08
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"George Shirley" <gsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Marie Dodge wrote:
>>
>> "George Shirley" <gsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:ikdrk.14188$De7....@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>> Took Tilly Dawg with me to the vet's office yesterday to buy some dawg
>>> food. Last bag I bought was $7.87 plus tax, about a month ago.
>>> Yesterday's bag was $10.00 plus tax, rising fuel costs get into
>>> everything.
>>
>> Common garden 10-10-10 fertilizer has doubled in price at Lowe's. Add
>> another $100 for insecticides this year. Gardening and canning are
>> getting very expensive. :(

> Marie, have you considered organic bug controls? I use beneficial
> nematodes to wipe out squash bug populations and other grub worms to boot.

No squash bugs here for years now. How about SVBers? The only way I know to
beat them is to plant late in the season. I'm finally getting some
crooknecks. I already tried burying the vine, tinfoil on the vine etc.
Nothing worked.

Also use Safer insecticide soap to get rid of aphids and Bt to get
> rid of other bugs. My fruit trees are sprayed with dormant oil (canola)
> with pyrethrum in it for white scale and other long-term insects.

The only insect pests we have here are whitefly, 2-spotted spider mites and
SVBs. So far none of the organic insecticides worked. None of the chemicals
work either. The pests all have genetic immunity. Our pear tree isn't
bothered by insects (yet.) I sprayed them with the light summer oil
recommended by the Ag agent. It cut the numbers for a few days and not they
reproduce oil or no oil. Neem Oil didn't discourage reproduction and
Pyrethrum didn't kill anything. Or was it Rotenone? I forget which - we used
do much stuff. Nothing worked. The plants in the west garden are still
covered in mites and WF. Since nothing else worked I don't want to keep
trying more products, throwing good money after bad. At sundown I'll spray
them with the flour and buttermilk someone recommended. I'll let you know
tomorrow if it helped.

> Peaceful Valley Supply is one place for beneficial insects but I go to
> www. arbico-organics.com to get mine. Yes, they're more expensive but they
> seem to work for a long time.

What did they "work" on? What did they control or wipe out? What eats
2-spotted mites and whitefly and how do I keep them in the gardens? My
ex-husband tried beneficials some years ago. They rapidly left the garden.
I think he ordered lacewings, ladybugs and something else. It was very
expensive and that was 25 yrs ago. As I mentioned before, there wasn't one
"beneficial insect" left after 48 hours. Being retired we can't afford to
purchase such expensive beneficials with no way to keep them from flying
away. What insects did yours work on and how did you keep them from flying
away?

George Shirley

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Aug 22, 2008, 3:00:58 PM8/22/08
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Sorry I bothered you, won't happen again.

Anny Middon

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Aug 22, 2008, 4:39:35 PM8/22/08
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"Melba's Jammin'" <barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> In article <0cfrk.20397$uE5....@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com>,
> "Anny Middon" <AnnyM...@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>> At any rate, I was at Dominick's a few weeks ago, and noticed they had a
>> nice end cap display of canning products -- jars, pectin, canning salt,
>> pickling spices.
>>
>> Jars were priced at $12.99 per case.
>>
>> Anny
>
> Holy crap! I may be REQUIRING my jars back if it gets to that here!
> JAY-zuzz!

OK, but as I said, Dominick's is getting pricey. Plus grocery stores (at
least around here) always charge more charge more for jars than Wal-Mart or
other discount places.

I happened to be in Wally World yesterday and looked at jar prices. A box
of Ball pint-sized were I think about $8.

Anny


Marie Dodge

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Aug 23, 2008, 1:36:51 AM8/23/08
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"George Shirley" <gsh...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>
> Sorry I bothered you, won't happen again.

No bother. :-)

zxcvbob

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Aug 23, 2008, 3:03:21 AM8/23/08
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Marie Dodge wrote:
>
> No squash bugs here for years now. How about SVBers? The only way I know
> to beat them is to plant late in the season. I'm finally getting some
> crooknecks. I already tried burying the vine, tinfoil on the vine etc.
> Nothing worked.

I'm not sure why you are posting this in r.f.p instead of r.g or r.g.e,
but there's a squash variety called "Tatume" that is for the most part
immune to SVB's. They run like pumpkins, and root at every node. Also,
the stems are hard, so the SVB's can only kill one leaf stalk and not
the whole vine. The squash are pretty good too. Just make sure you
give them a lot of room.

Also, if you have any catnip you might wanna pull it up (it's a weed
here) or at least keep the flowers picked off. Catnip is an alternate
host to some kind of virus that attacks squash, and when the catnip and
squash are blooming at the same time, bees and other insects that visit
both plants will spread the virus, which ruins and eventually kills your
squash.

Bob

Ted Mittelstaedt

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Aug 23, 2008, 1:21:54 PM8/23/08
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"Marie Dodge" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> My
> ex-husband tried beneficials some years ago. They rapidly left the garden.
> I think he ordered lacewings, ladybugs and something else. It was very
> expensive and that was 25 yrs ago. As I mentioned before, there wasn't
one
> "beneficial insect" left after 48 hours. Being retired we can't afford to
> purchase such expensive beneficials with no way to keep them from flying
> away. What insects did yours work on and how did you keep them from
flying
> away?
>

They won't fly away if there's food. Obviously they wern't the right kind
of
beneficials.

These days the farmers are getting into planting strains that have been
bred or genetically engineered to be pest resistant. I think a lot of the
industry is giving up on the pesticide route since all it does is breed
resistant pests.

Ted


Marie Dodge

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Aug 23, 2008, 10:12:34 PM8/23/08
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"zxcvbob" <zxc...@charter.net> wrote in message
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That's interesting. I didn't know that. Fortunately we don't have catnip. I
planted a few crooknecks late and so far so good. But I was out of zucchini
seed.

I don't know how this got cross-posted. Sorry....


Marie Dodge

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Aug 23, 2008, 10:16:08 PM8/23/08
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" <te...@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Marie Dodge" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:48af...@news.x-privat.org...
>>
>> My
>> ex-husband tried beneficials some years ago. They rapidly left the
>> garden.
>> I think he ordered lacewings, ladybugs and something else. It was very
>> expensive and that was 25 yrs ago. As I mentioned before, there wasn't
> one
>> "beneficial insect" left after 48 hours. Being retired we can't afford to
>> purchase such expensive beneficials with no way to keep them from flying
>> away. What insects did yours work on and how did you keep them from
> flying
>> away?
>>
>
> They won't fly away if there's food. Obviously they wern't the right kind
> of
> beneficials.

They were the ones the person selling them recommended.

>
> These days the farmers are getting into planting strains that have been
> bred or genetically engineered to be pest resistant. I think a lot of the
> industry is giving up on the pesticide route since all it does is breed
> resistant pests.

That's a good idea. I Googled but can't find any Tomatoes, peppers and other
veggies resistant to whitefly and/or spider mites. Some resist disease but
as far as I can see.... none we grow resist insect pests.

>
> Ted
>
>

Melba's Jammin'

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Aug 24, 2008, 8:03:43 AM8/24/08
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In article <jsFrk.11278$vn7....@flpi147.ffdc.sbc.com>,
"Anny Middon" <AnnyM...@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:

> OK, but as I said, Dominick's is getting pricey. Plus grocery stores (at
> least around here) always charge more charge more for jars than Wal-Mart or
> other discount places.

> Anny

Interestingly, my local supermarket has been within a dime of where I
usually buy my jars. I don't know why, but it's well worth the longer
trip to Fleet Farm.

Melba's Jammin'

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Aug 24, 2008, 8:10:09 AM8/24/08
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In article <48b0...@news.x-privat.org>,
"Marie Dodge" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> "zxcvbob" <zxc...@charter.net> wrote in message

> > I'm not sure why you are posting this in r.f.p instead of r.g or r.g.e,

> > but there's a squash variety called "Tatume" that is for the most part

> I don't know how this got cross-posted. Sorry....

It isn't crossposted. The pest control conversation started here,
drifting from jar prices.

Ted Mittelstaedt

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Aug 27, 2008, 7:51:18 AM8/27/08
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"Marie Dodge" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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Google for "host plant resistance whitefly" and you will find a bunch.
There's people working on these for tomatos right now.

It appears more damage from whitefly is done by them acting as
a carrier for the yellow leaf curl disease so a disease resistant plant is
probably what you want in any case.

Or you can grow in a greenhouse, and use beneficial insects to keep
them down.

Ted


Marie Dodge

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Aug 28, 2008, 1:15:21 AM8/28/08
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"Ted Mittelstaedt" <te...@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Google for "host plant resistance whitefly" and you will find a bunch.
> There's people working on these for tomatos right now.

I found over 17,000 sites but didn't see any selling plants that resist them
and the nymphs that completely cover the back of the leaves, sucking the
very life from the leaf and killing it. Whitefly nymphs destroy the leaves
completely when the surface is covered with the feeding nymphs. I don't know
how any plant can resist that kind of assault.

>
> It appears more damage from whitefly is done by them acting as
> a carrier for the yellow leaf curl disease so a disease resistant plant is
> probably what you want in any case.

No, the leaves show no leaf curl nor the plants signs of virus disease. I
took sample with me to the Ag Dept. to be examined. All that was found were
incredible amounts of 2-spot spider mite and white fly adults plus their
nymphs.

>
> Or you can grow in a greenhouse, and use beneficial insects to keep
> them down.

I have a 8.5 X 16' greenhouse that was infested with red-spider mite last
winter. None of the organics worked. A Systemic was used and worked on the
flowers. Two sprayings and the mites were gone but it can't be used on
food crops. What beneficials will stay in a Greenhouse and eat 2-spot SM
and WFs?

>
> Ted
>
>

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