Ellipse gas grills?
Mike P.
have a several models in the $600-$1,000 range with top-to-bottom lifetime
warrantee.
http://www.harpcoellipse.com/ellipse.htm
Also, are their any advantages to solid stainless steel cooking grids as
compared to porcelainized cast iron?
I getting ready to buy a new gill and am leaning toward the Ellipse 4102.
I would appreciate any opinions you might have.
Thanks
Paul Ferrara
tell you that the grill most often recommended is the Weber Genesis 1000.
It's well under your target price also. I have the natural gas model with
no side burners and it was about $450. Also highly recommended by Cook's
Illustrated magazine. I've never heard of Ellipse or Harpco.
As for the grids, I've used both and don't think it matters as far as
cooking goes but IME the porcelainized cast iron will hold up better.
Paul
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Barry
also the natural gas version. However, I have the cast iron grates as
well as the porcelain grates. Although the cast iron grates are
higher maintenance, requiring occasional seasoning, I prefer them.
They are ideal for searing food and give that perfect look assuming
you let them heat up prior to cooking. $450 is a great price as I
believe they tend to be just north of $500 around here. The warranty
on the grill is quite extensive. Mine is 5 years old and still
performs and looks brand new.
Barry
Edwin Pawlowski
Paul Ferrara <pa...@nospam.columbusoft.com> wrote in message > The BBQ
newsgroups are the best place to ask but I'll save you some time and
> tell you that the grill most often recommended is the Weber Genesis 1000.
> It's well under your target price also. I have the natural gas model with
> no side burners and it was about $450. Also highly recommended by Cook's
> Illustrated magazine. I've never heard of Ellipse or Harpco.
Weber make a good grill for the price. They are, however, outclassed by
some of the other (more expensive) brands. Ellipse, Vermont Castings,
Broilmaster, MHP are all a bit better made, thicker heavier materials, etc.
Other good brands are Beef Eater and Sunshine, but many people have never
heard of them. These are all in the $800 to $1200 range and IMO, are better
than the $2500 Weber Summit.
The cooking grids on the brands I mentioned are about twice the thickness.
The burners are more solid and thicker and should last longer. Side burners
are heavier and have more heat output. Some have cast brass burners.
I did look at one of the Ellipse models in my quest to buy a good grill and
it was impressive. I ended up with a Vermont Castings VC200 as it had the
features I want at a price I was willing to pay. Infra-red rotisserie
burner, oven burner, and a side burner that weighs more than my old Sunbeam
grill.
Ed
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Paul Ferrara
Weber *cooked*better* than the other brands tested and that's the bottom
line, right? The grids and flavorizor bars are replacable items. If/when
they wear out you pitch them and buy replacements; they're not that
expensive. And I don't think the thickness of the casting makes a
difference unless we're going to do drop tests. <g>
Paul
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Barry
absolutely superior to the Weber high end line, however, I would not
agree that they are better made with heavier materials. In some cases
they are, in others they are not. I also would not buy a grill based
on its side burner. If you get the Weber cast iron grates, they are
superior to virtually any stainless steel grates, IMHO, if you are
willing to take care of them. In the sub $500 price range, the
Genesis is the best bet for the money. If you are willing to go $800
and up, I would definitely look at other brands.
Barry
bette Ron Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:52:34 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski"
Alan Z.
the rate at which heat dissipates and is lost.
For grilling, it's not a big deal, but for BBQ it's one of the reasons that
many of us have chosen a different route, and gone with a "ceramic" cooker.
The thickness of the walls makes for very efficient fuel use and very fine
temperature controls.
If folk not already familiar with this type of cooker, they can check out
the manufacturer's site
http://www.kamado.com
or some of my own pages dedicated to the stuff I've been cooking
http://www.zenreich.com/zenweb/kamado.htm
I have a Ducane grill sitting next to my Kamado cooker, and the Ducane gets
used every once in a while for a couple of hot dogs... virtually everything
else goes on the "K". I've replaced parts on my Ducane, but the K is built
like a tank and will probably outlive me <s>.
I hope this is of some help.
"Paul Ferrara" <pa...@nospam.columbusoft.com> wrote in message
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> The Summit is functionally the same as the Genesis. Just more glitz.
The
> Weber *cooked*better* than the other brands tested and that's the bottom
> line, right? The grids and flavorizor bars are replacable items. If/when
> they wear out you pitch them and buy replacements; they're not that
> expensive. And I don't think the thickness of the casting makes a
> difference unless we're going to do drop tests. <g>
>
> Paul
>
>
> Edwin Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
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> >
Edwin Pawlowski
Paul Ferrara <pa...@nospam.columbusoft.com> wrote in message
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> The Summit is functionally the same as the Genesis. Just more glitz.
The
> Weber *cooked*better* than the other brands tested and that's the bottom
> line, right? The grids and flavorizor bars are replacable items. If/when
> they wear out you pitch them and buy replacements; they're not that
> expensive. And I don't think the thickness of the casting makes a
> difference unless we're going to do drop tests. <g>
>
> Paul
I bought a more expensive grill so I don't have to pitch things and replace
them. I want them to be functional and last. I pitched and replaced too
many parts on the old grill (Sunbeam) and just will not play the disposable
game.
Thickness of a casting does make a difference in some cases. If you preheat
the grill to a very high temperature, then put meat on to sear, the grid
temperature will drop from the colder meat. If it is thicker, the mass of
the metal will hold more heat and not cool as much. This becomes even more
important when you flip the meat. Form and function are a nice combination.
You are correct about the Summit. I think it is grossly overpriced for what
you get.
Ed
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Edwin Pawlowski
Barry <ba...@REMOVECAPSsurety.com> wrote in message
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> Ed, I agree with almost everything you say. The grills you name are
> absolutely superior to the Weber high end line, however, I would not
> agree that they are better made with heavier materials.
Perhaps not every part of every grill, but overall, there is a big
difference. Some of the parts you don't see are the most critical. A cast
brass burner will outlast most stamped SS burners for instance. They cost
more to manufacture.
> I also would not buy a grill based
> on its side burner.
That is why I shopped and offer a few names to look at. I use the side
burner a lot and I'm willing to get a good one. It has high output, is
stable on windy days, has its own ignition system. Will last many years.
Take a look at them and I'm sure you will agree it is superior to any grill
under $1000. If you don't use it, that is not a feature to consider. OTOH,
if the side burner is crap, the rest of the grill probably is also.
If you want grilling and high tempertures, take a look at Beef Eater. It is
70,000 Btu output and cast iron grids.
If you get the Weber cast iron grates, they are
> superior to virtually any stainless steel grates, IMHO, if you are
> willing to take care of them.
The grates on my grill are about twice+ the weight Take a look and them and
compare.
In the sub $500 price range, the
> Genesis is the best bet for the money. If you are willing to go $800
> and up, I would definitely look at other brands.
> Barry
Yes, you are correct and I agree.
Ed
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