A good burr grinder...
Glenn Johnson
their grinder or one that they have used. Besides doing a good job
grinding up beans for my cap. machine, this grinder should be fairly
easy to clean/maintain and not too expensive.
Also, I'm looking at a pamphlet with the following two grinders
advertised. If you're familiar with these, I would be interested in
hearing your comments.
Buon Caffe 380
Estro 480
Best Regards,
G. Johnson
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Bryan Gros
> If you're familiar with these, I would be interested in
> hearing your comments.
>
> Buon Caffe 380
> Estro 480
I have the Buon 380 grinder. I bought it about two months ago
when Starbucks had them on sale. I'm happy with mine so far. I
use setting 2 for my Krups Maximo espresso machine. It is a
little quieter than the DeLonghi I had. Seems to be well
constructed. The only drawback is that a small amount of grounds
stays in the grinder part. If you switch flavored coffees or
from regular to decaf this may annoy you, but I'm real happy
with the machine.
I returned my DeLonghi, in case you're wondering, because the
area around the feeder got clogged and stayed clogged very
quickly. I brought it back to Peets so they could look at it
and they said that it was not supposed to clog that fast, and
that mine was not the first one that they had returned to the
manufacturer. Too bad, because I liked the doser.
- Bryan
Susan Long
I can tell you that it spews coffee dust all over my kitchen. And
that's with a fairly coarse grind. So it is a pain to clean up:
you have to wipe up the counter and floor. Actually, I don't have
experience with any other grinder but a blade grinder. The fellow
at Starbucks who sold me the Estro said it was easier than most to
clean, and maybe it is. But I only use it to get a coarse grind that
I can't get from my blade grinder (for french press) because it is
so messy.
Susan Long - sl...@starbase.neosoft.com
http://www.neosoft.com/~slong
(note new web page address!)
On Mon, 19 Feb 1996, Glenn Johnson wrote:
> I'm looking to purchase a good burr grinder. Would anyone recommend
> their grinder or one that they have used. Besides doing a good job
> grinding up beans for my cap. machine, this grinder should be fairly
> easy to clean/maintain and not too expensive.
>
> Also, I'm looking at a pamphlet with the following two grinders
> advertised. If you're familiar with these, I would be interested in
> hearing your comments.
>
> Buon Caffe 380
> Estro 480
>
Jerry Bauman
or call them at 1-800-637-8606
Rajen Ramchandani
I want to know folks opinions on the new braun burr grinder. I picked up mine for 50.00. It seems to
be sealed pretty tight so I dont expect dust to fly all over the place and the grinder seems to get
the burrs quite close for espresso grind. Any thoughts on this machine.
Rajen
mcca...@scott.net
set on 5 for a good espresso grind, but it spits grounds everywhere. Not that it matters to me;
I haven't vacuumed my apartment or mopped my kitchen floor in six months, and I have mice. :)
I like the machine a lot. I've heard to keep grounds off of the counter you have to invest
$200 and up in a metal burr grinder w/ a doser, and all I'm looking for is something that gives
me a consistent espresso grind. The Braun fits the bill nicely for fifty bucks. My opinion may
change once I have to disassemble it to clean the "burr" in a few months, though.
Tom McCammon
Chris Oliver
:>I want to know folks opinions on the new braun burr grinder. I picked up mine for 50.00. It seems to
:>be sealed pretty tight so I dont expect dust to fly all over the place and the grinder seems to get
:>the burrs quite close for espresso grind. Any thoughts on this machine.
Myself and my good friend (the espresso king), highly recommend the Saeco
2002 burr grinder. Not only was it cheap up here in Canada ($130 CDN),
but it's performance is top notch! 15 grind settings including half
stops, and a doser that doesn't spray grind all over your kitchen.
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http://www.espresso.toronto.on.ca
c...@espresso.toronto.on.ca
CyberGirl1
>
> :>I want to know folks opinions on the new braun burr grinder. I picked
> up mine for 50.00. It seems to :>be sealed pretty tight so I dont expect
> dust to fly all over the place and the grinder seems to get :>the burrs
> quite close for espresso grind. Any thoughts on this machine.
If you mean the Braun KM55, I have one, and I don't like it. The little
chute from the grinding chamber to the ground coffee receptacle fills up
very quickly with grounds when grinding a fine (espresso) grind. It's
impossible to clean that chute without making a mess. It's very difficult
to clean it with the "tool" that comes with the grinder, you need a brush.
Grounds tend to leak out between the chute and the receptacle.
For the price, it will do a decent grind, but it has a number of flaws.
I'm looking for a better grinder and will probably end up giving the Braun
to a friend. It does, however, look pretty cool:)
CBG
Robert L. Stokes
Johnson) wrote:
> I'm looking to purchase a good burr grinder. Would anyone recommend
> their grinder or one that they have used. Besides doing a good job
> grinding up beans for my cap. machine, this grinder should be fairly
> easy to clean/maintain and not too expensive.
I've had a Briel Java for a few months now, and I'm very happy with it.
It does not "spew grounds everywhere", and gives a very consistent grind.
Though I use it exclusively for espresso, it produces good coarse grinds
as well.
When using very dark roasts, I have to clean the exit passage (from the
burrs to the grounds container) after every use. No big deal, just use a
toothpick and brush. With lighter roasts, it stays reasonably clear.
I did a thorough cleaning recently - disassembly was fairly easy, but
watch out for small parts escaping! (seems to apply to most grinders)
It does generate a fair amount of static electricity, resulting in
unexpected behavior of the grounds. Seems to be a common problem. I was
going to launch a few experiments to see if it could be mitigated by using
conductive containers, grounding, etc. but now that winter's over it
doesn't seem to be a problem... Maybe next year.
Pgoelz
L. Stokes) writes:
>It does generate a fair amount of static electricity, resulting in
>unexpected behavior of the grounds. Seems to be a common problem. I was
>going to launch a few experiments to see if it could be mitigated by
using
>conductive containers, grounding, etc. but now that winter's over it
>doesn't seem to be a problem... Maybe next year.
>
>
Every grinder I have owned using plastic parts has had the same problem.
It creates a real interesting coffee shower when the container is opened.
My Gaggia grinder is all metal, and has no static problem at all.
Interestingly, it also has not clogged yet, either.
Paul
Jerry G.
>CBG
Hello CBG: I had a Braun just like yours and I had the exact same
complaints.If per chance you find a decent burr grinder please contact
me or post in this group.Now that I finally have the money for a burr
grinder I can't find a decent one that works good and doesn't have any
major flaws right out of the box.
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Jerry Gilbert
jerr...@gate.net
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Rick Auricchio
> >to a friend. It does, however, look pretty cool:)
I just bought the Bunn BCG. This burr grinder is rather large but appears
to be more solidly built than most of the consumer grinders. (Two of
these side-by-side have about the same footprint and height as the average
Mr. Coffee drip pot.)
Notable features:
1.2 pound covered bean hopper.
O-Ring gasketed output bin, approx 1 cup capacity.
Comes with cleaning brush and hex wrench.
Timer-driven grind control; max about 20 cups' worth at once.
3-year warranty
It works very well, has a large output chute, and the o-ring seal keeps
the counter cleaner than the Braun unit. It's nice and quiet because
there is far less high-frequency noise than the Braun or my old Norelco.
It seems built to last.
I found mine for $70 on a closeout sale two weeks ago at Peet's Coffee in
Los Altos, CA. The unit carries a list price of $149; the Bunn
distributor in Oakland CA sells them for 30% off ($104.30) plus shipping &
tax.
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Roger Wiegand
(Rick Auricchio) wrote:
>
>Notable features:
>
>1.2 pound covered bean hopper.
>O-Ring gasketed output bin, approx 1 cup capacity.
>Comes with cleaning brush and hex wrench.
>Timer-driven grind control; max about 20 cups' worth at once.
>3-year warranty
>
>It works very well, has a large output chute, and the o-ring seal keeps
>the counter cleaner than the Braun unit. It's nice and quiet because
>there is far less high-frequency noise than the Braun or my old Norelco.
>It seems built to last.
>
FYI, according to email I got from Bunn in response to questions to their
web page (very responsive, BTW) it is not suitable for grinding for
espresso 8-(
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Joseph Rocco
from Guatamala/5000ft. range. The farmers rep is here in Miami, needing
help to make this coffee available to the U.S. would appreciate any
help in this area. Please e mail me with any ideas. i will pass them
on. yearly in Miami there is a carnival type function called Calli
Ocho. because of the Cuban problem the function was called off, there
is now a small shipment sitting here in Miami, so i know the product is
available for instant tasting. Again would appreciate any input.
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aka...@earthlink.net
>I'm looking to purchase a good burr grinder. Would anyone recommend
>their grinder or one that they have used. Besides doing a good job
>grinding up beans for my cap. machine, this grinder should be fairly
>easy to clean/maintain and not too expensive.
>Also, I'm looking at a pamphlet with the following two grinders
>advertised. If you're familiar with these, I would be interested in
>hearing your comments.
>Buon Caffe 380
>Estro 480
>Best Regards,
>G. Johnson
><klei...@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
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I have a Buon 380 which I got at Starbucks for $49 less 10 % since
it was demo'd once. The grind is consistant and the only deawback is
that it spits grounds all over the counter. I remedy that with a paper
towel draped over the top of the grinder to have some control over
where the grounds are going.
Good Luck,
Stu
aka...@earthlink.net
Jim Eberhardt
they were supposed to be top quality...
Jim
Lorraine W. Gombert
writes:
>aka...@earthlink.net wrote:
>> I have a Buon 380 which I got at Starbucks for $49 less 10 % since
>> it was demo'd once. The grind is consistant and the only deawback is
>> that it spits grounds all over the counter. I remedy that with a
paper
>> towel draped over the top of the grinder to have some control over
>> where the grounds are going.
I had the same problem with mine. I took it back to Starbucks and they
swapped grounds containers for me. It didn't completely eliminate the
problem, but it sure has cut down on it.
Lorri
Aaron Spurlock
>
> What is a burr grinder? How is does it differ from the cheap blade
> grinders?
I could probably say this in fewer words, but I think my book provides a much better description.
Ok, here goes:
(paraphrased from Crema: In search of the Espresso secret, by Bernard Mariano)
Blade Grinders
"The blade grinder whirls two blades at high speed and literally knocks the coffee beans into irregular pieces.
There is no control over the consistency of the grind in a blade grinder, and the whirling blades also can heat the ground
beans, dissapating some of the delicate oils and flavor.
In addition to larger bean parts, the irregular grind produces a part dust or powder that may clog the coffee basket
perforations, restricting the flow of water through the ground coffee.
Although relatively inexpensive and efficient for a coarser grind for stove top or drip coffee, blade grinders are
not recommended for a fine espresso grind.
Burr Grinders
Burr grinders feature grinding adjustments from coarse to a very fine grind. Opposing burrs or disks crush the whole
beans to a uniform grind determined by the amount of distance between the burrs. Burr grinders minimize heat in the grinding
process to reduce the dissipation of the volatile oils contained in the beans.
Burr grinders tend to be more expensive and can be slightly more messy, but in the long run, the uniformity of the
grind and consistency of the results are worth the effort and expense in preparing both coffee and espresso."
My two cents:
Basically, it boils down to your needs (no pun intended). If you are only making the occasional pot of coffee and you prefer
the taste of "fresh ground," a blade grinder will probably suit you just fine. If however, you consider yourself a coffee
epicure and find yourself grinding frequently for both coffee and espresso drinks, by all means go out and get yourself a
burr grinder. You'll get much more consistent results, and will remove much of the guesswork from your grinding. -AS
Hope this helps.
Ronald F. Feldstein
conical burr grinders? My electric grinders are disk, but my manuals
are conical. Is this the way they're usually made?
CCW
grinder?
Barry Jarrett
burrs on the new Briel grinders and a new grinder due to be released this
fall by another manufacturer...
Alec Muffett
>yes. Conical is better, but also more expensive. You can find conical
>burrs on the new Briel grinders and a new grinder due to be released this
>fall by another manufacturer...
Mmmmm...
I'm interested in getting a manual burr grinder - there's not enough
power sockets in my kitchen to conveniently support what's in there
already - but most of the ones I've seen in the shops are cutsie
little boxes with drawers that the coffee falls into, varnished metal
and rattling gearage, and I'm a little dubious about buying one of
them without a recommendation (target grind: fine espresso for a pump m/c)
Can anyone recommend a few manufacturers (if you're in the UK, so much
the better) please?
Also: are there any GIFs of what the innards of a decent burr grinder
looks like, up on the WWW? I've tried a few sites.
- alec
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JConno7879
(Alec Muffett) writes:
>alec
Braun makes a decent electric burr grinder for home use. It has a small
hopper to hold the whole beans, adjustable grind settings, and a timer you
can use to regulate the amount of coffee ground.
It sells for about $60 US, in coffeehouses and department stores. Maybe it
can help you out.
Jim Connolly
Dave Bayer
>Has anyone here addressed the issue of the relative merits of disk vs.
>conical burr grinders?
Conical is better because slower rpm heat-damages beans less. _Does_
exist in expensive electric, but I too have elec disks/manual cones.
Greg Schuler
heard favorable things about. MY QUESTION IS THIS: *can* a reasonably
inexpensive electric burr grinder (<$150) grind as well as this hand burr
grinder? I was thinking about getting the saeco 2000 (or estro 480) then
i thought about the bunnomatic, but now i'm thinking maybe the best
grinder would be this Zassenhaus "manual" grinder. I guess a non-electric
grinder (considering it is well built) could last a *really* long time.
Any advice? Anyone? Oh, and are the saeco and bunnomatic mentioned above
cone or disk?
Check out http://www.math.columbia.edu/~bayer/coffee.html for the only info
*i* have been able to find on the Zassenhaus (and info for Peets). I asked
Peet's to send me some info on the zassenhaus and i'm still waiting.
The search for a great burr grinder continues!
Alec Muffett (al...@coyote.uk.sun.com) wrote:
: Mmmmm...
: I'm interested in getting a manual burr grinder - there's not enough
: power sockets in my kitchen to conveniently support what's in there
: already - but most of the ones I've seen in the shops are cutsie
: little boxes with drawers that the coffee falls into, varnished metal
: and rattling gearage, and I'm a little dubious about buying one of
: them without a recommendation (target grind: fine espresso for a pump m/c)
: Can anyone recommend a few manufacturers (if you're in the UK, so much
: the better) please?
: Also: are there any GIFs of what the innards of a decent burr grinder
: looks like, up on the WWW? I've tried a few sites.
: - alec
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CoffeeGodd
curious about the Briel grinder (is it electric??). If you or anyone-else
has more info about electric conical grinder for home use let me know...
May The Beans Be WIth You,
Coffe...@aol.com
Greg.M.
David Norris
Schuler) writes:
>
> snip <
>The search for a great burr grinder continues!
>
I don't know about great, but I found a burr grinder in a discount
chain store in Taos, New Mexico that is consistent, easy to clean, and
best of all, cost under $20.00. Keep shopping!
David
Barry Jarrett
Look for Zassenhaus brand manual burr grinders....
*or*
when you inspect a burr grinder, look for machine cut burrs rather than
cast burrs, and a vernier adjustment.
Also, with most of the Zassenhaus grinders, the mechanism unbolts from the
cutesy box in case you'd like to mount it on something more substantial...
CoffeeGodd
grinder!!
For all rights and purposes I am a coffee purist, lets just say it is made
by a company that isn't Faema....
Cuisinart!! Yep, Cuisinart...I just purchased it today. Needless to say
I have put it through the tests, French Press - Stove Top Espresso. It
produces a very uniform grind quickly. It is very servicable, and it
comes w/a 3 year warranty. I got mine w/my discount for $60.00,(retail
around $75) which, when it comes to a decent grinder is dirt cheap...
The only problem is STATIC. I have encountered static w/nearly all
grinders I have used. Is there a way to stop ionic coffee ground
scattering????
Here are the specifics on the grinder: Cuisinart(r) Coffee Bar(tm) Coffee
Mill DCM12
Consumer Service
Center: 1.800.726.0190
Cuisinart
150 Milford Road
East Windsor, NJ
08520
I am not affiliated w/ Cuisinart.
May The Beans Be With You,
Greg M.
Greg Schuler
i still have some questions:
1. Is this a conical grinder? It's damn hard to tell.
2. Does this grinder use machine cut burrs?
3. Where is this grinder made? Sweden?
..and one last question of opinion: from what i have heard, it seems to
that in regards to consistancy of grind you can't beat this grinder - the
only issue is whether you'd rather have an electric one. The electric
grinders i have considered (the saeco 200x/estro 480 and the bunnomatic)
are both the less desirable disk type while the zassenhaus is conical (??).
If this is the case, the zassenhaus seems the relatively clear choice.
Any comments would be appreciated.
In article <p1HLN...@delphi.com> you wrote:
:
: Look for Zassenhaus brand manual burr grinders....
:
Jerry Mead
>
>
> Look for Zassenhaus brand manual burr grinders....
>
> *or*
>
> when you inspect a burr grinder, look for machine cut burrs rather than
> cast burrs, and a vernier adjustment.
>
> Also, with most of the Zassenhaus grinders, the mechanism unbolts from the
> cutesy box in case you'd like to mount it on something more substantial...
>
With a Zassenhaus - what is the expected grinding time, say for enough
espresso grind for a double? Are we talking a minute or two or much
longer? What about a reasonable price for one of these?
jerry
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Barry Jarrett
>I have looked for a good electric conical grinder for years, I am very
>curious about the Briel grinder (is it electric??). If you or anyone-else
>has more info about electric conical grinder for home use let me know...
handy, but I might be able to check tomorrow...
--Barry
Fred Marshall
>The only problem is STATIC. I have encountered static w/nearly all
>grinders I have used. Is there a way to stop ionic coffee ground
>scattering????
What is working well for me is that after I grind I take a wet dish
rag -- the one I'll use to clean up the counter...steam wand...etc,
and just run it over the outside of the grounds bin before I open it
and start scooping out coffee. This has stopped the flying coffee
grounds at my place.
JConno7879
grinder!!
zup...@ibm.net
>grinders I have used. Is there a way to stop ionic coffee ground
>scattering????
>
>Mill DCM12
> Consumer Service
>Center: 1.800.726.0190
>
> Cuisinart
> 150 Milford Road
> East Windsor, NJ
>08520
>
>I am not affiliated w/ Cuisinart.
>
>May The Beans Be With You,
>
>Coffe...@aol.com
>
>Greg M.
>
Static is always a problem on plastic. I sell the Bunnomatic grinder and
they use a special plastic in the "hopper" that can have its' anti-static
capabilities renewed by rinsing it in water. Maybe Cuisanart does the same
thing.
Dave Bayer
>With a Zassenhaus - what is the expected grinding time, say for enough
>espresso grind for a double? Are we talking a minute or two or much
>longer?
Say, 20 seconds with the one that mounts like a pasta maker. The others
_don't_ have as sensitive a grind selection mechanisim. My grinder
of choice. See
http://www.math.columbia.edu/~bayer/coffee.html
for more comments.
Barry Jarrett
>Alright, after receiving some cryptic information on the zassenhaus grinder
>i still have some questions:
The Zassenhaus grinders are conical burr grinders with machine cut burrs.
If you're grinding espresso, get set for some heavy duty cranking.
Briel is coming out (has come out??) with an electric conical burr grinder,
but I can't remember pricing or availability offhand.
I *have* seen manual grinders with motors mounted on them...
--Barry
Barry Jarrett
I've not used one, but I'd wager that espresso requires some serious
cranking....
CoffeeGodd
I have found a wipe w/a wet towel does reduce the static "spray".
I have used dozens of grinders and have not experienced an amazing amount
of spray!!! It goes everywhere!! Anyway if I make a metal grind basket do
you think it will help discharge the grinds??
Just a thought>!
CofFeeGoDd
David Stoler
static electricity. The static attracted fine coffee powder to our hands,
clothes, the counter, and the floor. It made a big mess. I was surprised
to see how far the coffee could jump from the output bin.
We spoke with a customer support person about the problem, and he
suggested putting a one-inch ball of aluminum foil in the output bin. He
said it wouldn't completely solve the problem, but that the aluminum ball
would draw some of the charge away from the coffee and help dissipate the
static buildup.
We tried it and it works for us. There is still some static, but nowhere
near the amount we saw before.
Cheers,
--David
Jim Franklin
dst...@netlock.com (David Stoler) wrote:
> We spoke with a customer support person about the problem, and he
> suggested putting a one-inch ball of aluminum foil in the output bin. He
> said it wouldn't completely solve the problem, but that the aluminum ball
> would draw some of the charge away from the coffee and help dissipate the
> static buildup.
Thanks for the tip...I've had the same problem and was about to post an
inquiry. Does anyone know why this happens and is it specific to only some
burr grinders? On mine the problem seems to be more pronounced with a
coarse grind.
Thanks and Regards,
Jim Franklin
Jerry Bauman
tree stuff) placed at the discharge chute so that as the coffee spews out,
it gets to pass over and around the metal strands, works great to unstatic
the chaff.
Good Luck!
CoffeeGodd
ground the grind basket out,(using a piece of co-ax and black
tape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!).
I must say I can't stand it any more (neither can my house-mates)!!!!!!
If any one has a Cuisinart Coffee Mill, please let me know how you stop
the unbelievable spreading of grinds everywhere!!!!!!!!!!
Help!!!!
C.G.