The Wonderful Goodness of Rice
BeerFly
>
> On 28 Aug 1998 13:35:56 GMT, saint...@aol.com (SAINTCROIX) wrote:
>
> >This appears in an ad for the City Pages Beer Festival in Minneapolis:
> >
> >"Like beer? Love beer? Wish you knew more about beer? Come taste the hottest
> >brews from around Minnesota and the rest of the country. Learn the difference
> >between porter and stout, pilsner and ale. See how your old favorites hold up
> >against the competition. See what wonderful goodness comes from wheat, barley
> >and rice."
> >
> >Looks like Bob Klein has a new job writing ad copy...
> No, it looks like Dr. H and Lew are writing ad copy ;-}
You know, the LAST time someone compared me to Bob Klein I emasculated
them with a belt sander... I figger I could handle your case with a
stamp-sized chunk of tack cloth.
Oh. I see. You were JOKING. Tee hee. What fun jollity.
--
Lew Bryson
Freelance writer and fulltime father.
My opinions are my own: the good ones I sell.
Author of Pennsylvania Breweries, coming in October
from Stackpole Books, Mechanicsburg, PA.
Dr H
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, it was written:
}On 28 Aug 1998 13:35:56 GMT, saint...@aol.com (SAINTCROIX) wrote:
}
}>This appears in an ad for the City Pages Beer Festival in Minneapolis:
}>
}>"Like beer? Love beer? Wish you knew more about beer? Come taste the hottest
}>brews from around Minnesota and the rest of the country. Learn the difference
}>between porter and stout, pilsner and ale. See how your old favorites hold up
}>against the competition. See what wonderful goodness comes from wheat, barley
}>and rice."
}>
}>Looks like Bob Klein has a new job writing ad copy...
}>
}>--Karl Bremer
}
}No, it looks like Dr. H and Lew are writing ad copy ;-}
Hey, they keep on sending the beer; I keep on writing the ads. ;-)
Dr H
Fred Waltman
SAINTCROIX <saint...@aol.com> wrote:
>This appears in an ad for the City Pages Beer Festival in Minneapolis:
>
>"Like beer? Love beer? Wish you knew more about beer? Come taste the hottest
>brews from around Minnesota and the rest of the country. Learn the difference
>between porter and stout, pilsner and ale. See how your old favorites hold up
>against the competition. See what wonderful goodness comes from wheat, barley
>and rice."
>
>Looks like Bob Klein has a new job writing ad copy...
>
Now, now, wasn't it a Minn. brewery that did some wonderful goodness with
wild rice? (James Page comes to mind, but it was a while ago...)
--
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JOHN J STARADUMSKY
>Now, now, wasn't it a Minn. brewery that did some wonderful goodness with
>wild rice? (James Page comes to mind, but it was a while ago...)
Not sure about JP, but I do know that Capital in Wisconsin brewed one, and
maybe still does.
--
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James Page indeed does brew a wild rice beer that has won at least one award
at the GABF (at least 1997, when it won gold in the specialty category -- I
didn't check previous years). It's called "Boundary Waters Wild Rice." Not
sure on the details of how much wild rice it has. I haven't tried it myself
(I don't really like wild rice to start off with, so the thought of trying a
beer featuring it doesn't exactly excite me). FWIW, MJ describes it as having
a rather distinct nutty flavor.
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Jeff Frane
wrote:
>
>Now, now, wasn't it a Minn. brewery that did some wonderful goodness with
>wild rice? (James Page comes to mind, but it was a while ago...)
>
>
oooh, that was a long time ago. As I recall, they brought it to the
OBF back in 1989 or so.
Then, again, wild rice isn't rice...
--Jeff Frane
Dr H
On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Jeff Frane wrote:
}On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Fred Waltman wrote:
}
}>Now, now, wasn't it a Minn. brewery that did some wonderful goodness with
}>wild rice? (James Page comes to mind, but it was a while ago...)
}
}oooh, that was a long time ago. As I recall, they brought it to the
}OBF back in 1989 or so.
}
}Then, again, wild rice isn't rice...
Come again?
BeerFly
known as rice. IMO, this relates directly to the 2000/2001 millennium
discussion...
--
Lew Bryson
Freelance writer and fulltime father.
My opinions are my own: the good ones I sell.
available for pre-order at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/081172879X/002-1904346-8002803
Dr H
On Thu, 3 Sep 1998, BeerFly wrote:
}Dr H wrote:
}> On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Jeff Frane wrote:
}> }On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, Fred Waltman wrote:
}> }
}> }>Now, now, wasn't it a Minn. brewery that did some wonderful goodness with
}> }>wild rice? (James Page comes to mind, but it was a while ago...)
[...]
}> }
}> }Then, again, wild rice isn't rice...
}>
}> Come again?
}
}'struth, wild 'rice' is grass seed, not part of the family of plants
}known as rice. IMO, this relates directly to the 2000/2001 millennium
}discussion...
Hmm... My botany books list both cultivated rice (Oryza sativa) and
wild rice (Zizania aquatica) as members of Gramineae (the Grass Family).
Oryzeae and Zizaniae are listed as the "Rice Tribe" and "Indian Rice
Tribe" of this family, respectively.
Ie., they're both grasses, and they are both rice, albeit different
genera of same.
Dr H
Andrew Ager
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Whee!
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Jeff Frane
>
>Hmm... My botany books list both cultivated rice (Oryza sativa) and
>wild rice (Zizania aquatica) as members of Gramineae (the Grass Family).
>Oryzeae and Zizaniae are listed as the "Rice Tribe" and "Indian Rice
>Tribe" of this family, respectively.
>
>Ie., they're both grasses, and they are both rice, albeit different
>genera of same.
>
They are both grasses, from very different genera. They are both
"rice" only in name; wild rice is a completely different grain from
anything else called "rice". "Wild Rice" was labeled "rice" because it
looked vaguely like rice and was a vaguely similar food source for the
indigenous people. But "wild rice" shares virtually nothing in content
or structure with what is commonly known as rice -- and it's use in
beer has virtually nothing in common with cultivated "rice."
We can technically refer to barley as "corn", after all, but there is
a huge difference between corn=maize and barley, no?
--Jeff Frane
Dr H
On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Jeff Frane wrote:
}On Thu, 3 Sep 1998 18:16:45 -0700, Dr H <hiaw...@efn.org> wrote:
}>
}>Hmm... My botany books list both cultivated rice (Oryza sativa) and
}>wild rice (Zizania aquatica) as members of Gramineae (the Grass Family).
}>Oryzeae and Zizaniae are listed as the "Rice Tribe" and "Indian Rice
}>Tribe" of this family, respectively.
}>
}>Ie., they're both grasses, and they are both rice, albeit different
}>genera of same.
}>
}
}They are both grasses, from very different genera.
Um, I think I said that. I brought it up because I thought Lew's
response implied that wild rice was a grass and clutivated rice
was not.
}They are both "rice" only in name;
Well, of course. That's the point. If it's called "rice" then it
-is- rice.
}wild rice is a completely different grain from anything else called "rice".
}"Wild Rice" was labeled "rice" because it looked vaguely like rice and was
}a vaguely similar food source for the indigenous people. But "wild rice"
}shares virtually nothing in content or structure with what is commonly known
}as rice -- and it's use in beer has virtually nothing in common with
}cultivated "rice."
I won't argue that there are different -kinds- of rice, of course there
are. There are dozens of varieties of cultivated rice, many of them
far more different in flavor from "Uncle Ben's" than is wild rice.
}We can technically refer to barley as "corn", after all, but there is
}a huge difference between corn=maize and barley, no?
Barley is a different tribe than corn, though it's true that both
also belong to the grass family. The difference is that Hordeum vulgare
is -not- called "corn", but "barley," whereas I've never heard Zizania
aquatica refered to generically as anything -but- "wild rice."
A more apt parallel might be between Zea mays (corn) and Euchlaena
mexicana (possibly the original Indian Corn).
Dr H
BeerFly
>
> On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Jeff Frane wrote:
>
> Well, of course. That's the point. If it's called "rice" then it
> -is- rice.
But a Jerusalem artichoke ain't an artichoke. American Indians ain't
from India.
All I know about wild rice 'not being rice' is what I've read. Just
keeping up, that's all.
Dr H
On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, BeerFly wrote:
}Dr H wrote:
}>
}> On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Jeff Frane wrote:
}<SNIP of the wild rice/rice frenzy>
}> }They are both "rice" only in name;
}>
}> Well, of course. That's the point. If it's called "rice" then it
}> -is- rice.
}
}But a Jerusalem artichoke ain't an artichoke.
Well, I'll grant you that it's less like an artichoke than wild rice is
like 'tame' rice, anyway. :-)
}American Indians ain't from India.
Nonetheless, every one of my "native American" friends refer to themselves
as either "Indian," or by specific tribal affiliation.
}All I know about wild rice 'not being rice' is what I've read. Just
}keeping up, that's all.
Really, it's neither here nor there. When used for brewing beer, both
represent "adjunct" grains, ie., something apart from the sacred "barley
malt, hops, water, and yeast" so dear to some.
Dr H
Joel_Plutchak
>Dr H wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Jeff Frane wrote:
><SNIP of the wild rice/rice frenzy>
>> }They are both "rice" only in name;
>>
>> Well, of course. That's the point. If it's called "rice" then it
>> -is- rice.
>
>from India.
>keeping up, that's all.
C'mon, Lew, you're arguing semantics with one of the same
people who maintained that things like saki, sahti, and chicha
are beer, even though they have a different name for beer in
their respective home countries. This is just another one of
those arguments for the sake of arguing. Don't get caught up
in it, man! ;-)
--
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Jeff Frane
wrote:
>
>But a Jerusalem artichoke ain't an artichoke. American Indians ain't
>from India.
I *knew* there was a good parallel, Lew, but for the life of me I
couldn't think of one -- the artichoke bit did it for me.
--Jeff Frane
BeerFly
Hey, I thought of another: buckwheat ain't any KIND of wheat! I love dis
shit... <g>
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Jeff Frane wrote in message <35f7f0f1...@news.teleport.com>...
>On Wed, 09 Sep 1998 22:46:56 -0400, BeerFly <sms...@prodigy.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>
>>But a Jerusalem artichoke ain't an artichoke. American Indians ain't
>>from India.
>
>I *knew* there was a good parallel, Lew, but for the life of me I
>couldn't think of one -- the artichoke bit did it for me.
>
>--Jeff Frane
>
Dr H
On 10 Sep 1998, Joel_Plutchak wrote:
} C'mon, Lew, you're arguing semantics with one of the same
}people who maintained that things like saki, sahti, and chicha
}are beer, even though they have a different name for beer in
}their respective home countries. This is just another one of
}those arguments for the sake of arguing. Don't get caught up
}in it, man! ;-)
Semantics? No, I don't think so.
BTW Joel, what do they call beer on your planet?
Dr H
Dr H
On Thu, 10 Sep 1998, Alan R. Miller wrote:
}And white chocolate is not chocolate.
}
}>BeerFly <sms...@prodigy.com> wrote:
}>>
}>>But a Jerusalem artichoke ain't an artichoke. American Indians ain't
}>>from India.
}>
}
}Joel wrote:
}
} C'mon, Lew, you're arguing semantics with one of the same
}people who maintained that things like saki, sahti, and chicha
}are beer, even though they have a different name for beer in
}their respective home countries.
}
[& etc...]
All of these examples assume that certain terms like "rice," "artichoke,"
"chocolate," or "beer" have very narrowly and *rigidly* defined meanings.
I don't buy it, and my position is supported by any number of dictionaries.
Scientific terms, such as "Oryza sativa" *do* have very narrow and rigid
meanings. But "rice" is more of a generic term in common usage. I would
never suggest that Oryza sativa and Zizania aquatica are the same thing.
But are they both "rice?" You betcha.
If you're going to maintain otherwise, then you leave me free to
claim that "ale" isn't "beer," because we have another word for it in
my country. Or to push it a little further, I could claim that "Budweiser
is beer," and therefore nothing else is beer. But the fact is that "beer"
is NOT so rigidly defined, nor is "rice."
Your serve. :-)
Dr H