Is this KFC's secret herb and spice recipe?

[Don Wiss]

The Chicago Tribune printed what may be KFC's herb and spice recipe. Then
KFC and the cousin claimed it wasn't the right one. See:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/travel/ct-kfc-recipe-revealed-20160818-story.html

Here it is:

11 spices — mix with 2 cups white flour

2/3 tablespoon salt
1/2 tablespoon thyme
1/2 tablespoon basil
1/3 tablespoon oregano
1 tablespoon celery salt
1 tablespoon black pepper
1 tablespoon dried mustard
4 tablespoons paprika
2 tablespoons garlic salt
1 tablespoon ground ginger
3 tablespoons white pepper

People can to make it up, fry some chicken, buy some KFC chicken, and
compare. KFC cooks their chicken in a pressure fryer, so you can't
replicate in its entirety. Being gluten-free for over 26 years I naturally
avoid KFC.

Don. www.donwiss.com (e-mail link at home page bottom).

[Cindy Hamilton]

Apparently KFCs secret herbs and spices are:

salt
monosodium glutamate
pepper

<http://www.livescience.com/5517-truth-secret-recipes-coke-kfc.html>

IMHO, it doesn't do much good to season the flour. Season the chicken
before coating it with flour.

Cindy Hamilton

[Don Wiss]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016, Cindy Hamilton <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Apparently KFCs secret herbs and spices are:
>
>salt
>monosodium glutamate
>pepper
>
><http://www.livescience.com/5517-truth-secret-recipes-coke-kfc.html>

The Chicago Tribune recipe includes thyme, oregano, and basil. All would be
visible if included. There is also paprika. That would also be visible. As
I wrote, I haven't been in a KFC for over 26 years. I have no idea what the
coating looks like.

[sf]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:59:04 -0400, Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com>
wrote:

> 2/3 tablespoon salt
> 1/2 tablespoon thyme
> 1/2 tablespoon basil
> 1/3 tablespoon oregano
> 1 tablespoon celery salt
> 1 tablespoon black pepper
> 1 tablespoon dried mustard
> 4 tablespoons paprika
> 2 tablespoons garlic salt
> 1 tablespoon ground ginger
> 3 tablespoons white pepper

Mix that with a little brown sugar + some paprika and you've got
yourself a pretty decent "bone rub".

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

[sf]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 13:33:37 -0400, Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com>
wrote:

> The Chicago Tribune recipe includes thyme, oregano, and basil. All would be
> visible if included. There is also paprika. That would also be visible. As
> I wrote, I haven't been in a KFC for over 26 years. I have no idea what the
> coating looks like.

Those seasonings wouldn't necessarily be visible/recognizable if they
were ground into a powder.

[dsi1]

I'm inclined to agree with the no herbs or spices in the mix. It does taste like there's some garlic in there - well, that's what I taste at least.

[Don Wiss]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016, Cindy Hamilton <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Apparently KFCs secret herbs and spices are:
>
>salt
>monosodium glutamate
>pepper
>
><http://www.livescience.com/5517-truth-secret-recipes-coke-kfc.html>

The problem with that is KFC makes it clear that there are 11 herbs and
spices.

This is their ingredients page:
https://www.kfc.com/assets/pdfs/kfc_ingredients.pdf

Most products have amazingly long ingredient lists. Here the chicken we are
discussing:

Original Recipe Chicken
Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium
Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Sodium Chloride
and Anti-caking agent (Tricalcium Phosphate), Whey, Nonfat Milk, Egg
Whites, Corn Starch, Potato Starch, Maltodextrin,
Triglycerides, Natural Flavoring (Milk), Gelatin (From Chicken), Colonel’s
Secret Original Recipe Seasoning.

As you can see, the MSG is in addition to these 11 spices. And salt also
gets into the chicken via the marinade.

[notbob]

On 2016-08-25, Don Wiss <donwiss@no_spam.com> wrote:

> Being gluten-free for over 26 years I naturally
> avoid KFC.

"Here's something you may not know. You can be entirely gluten-free
and still SHUT THE FUCK UP!" --Jimmy Carr, UK comedian

nb

[Brooklyn1]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:43:02 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:59:04 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
>
>> The Chicago Tribune printed what may be KFC's herb and spice recipe. Then
>> KFC and the cousin claimed it wasn't the right one. See:
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/travel/ct-kfc-recipe-revealed-20160818-story.html
>>
>> Here it is:
>>
>> 11 spices — mix with 2 cups white flour
>>
>> 2/3 tablespoon salt
>> 1/2 tablespoon thyme
>> 1/2 tablespoon basil
>> 1/3 tablespoon oregano
>> 1 tablespoon celery salt
>> 1 tablespoon black pepper
>> 1 tablespoon dried mustard
>> 4 tablespoons paprika
>> 2 tablespoons garlic salt
>> 1 tablespoon ground ginger
>> 3 tablespoons white pepper
>

>Any recipes that call for garlic salt and celery salt (plus regular
>salt) are automatically defective. The recipe should call for celery
>seed powder and granulated/powdered garlic, then the proper amount of
>salt as an additional ingredient.

I totally agree.

[Cindy Hamilton]

There might be a teaspoon of "Colonel's Secret Original Recipe Seasoning"
per ton of flour. The seasoning might be mostly pepper, with a
teaspoon of other herbs and spices per ton of pepper.

It's impossible to tell from the ingredients list.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> There might be a teaspoon of "Colonel's Secret Original Recipe Seasoning"
> per ton of flour. The seasoning might be mostly pepper, with a
> teaspoon of other herbs and spices per ton of pepper.

No. I worked at a KFC for 2 months in the summer of 1971. It's not all
pepper at all. The seasoning came in a large package (maybe One lb? just
guessing). That was mixed with so much flour to make enough to cook 12
chickens cut up into 108 pieces).... 6 large pressure cookers filled
with lard and 18 pieces per pot.

The chicken was dipped in a wash of eggs and milk, then rolled in the
flour/spice mix, then into the pressure cookers. There was no marinating
the chicken beforehand.

I've said before that I swear I remember seeing the list on the spice
pack. Listed all 11 but not amounts. Maybe I'm mistaken about that as
you would think it's not so secret if that was the case. I still think
they did list them back then. I remember thinking I should write that
down.

Oh well...ancient history. They cooked the chicken differently back then
and they used lard. I'm sure that attributed to the taste.

I tried them again about a year ago and still loved the chicken
(original).

It's good as long as you don't eat there often. When I worked there,
employees were allowed to eat all the chicken that they wanted. I
thought I had died and gone to fried chicken heaven. Within a week of
that all you can eat though, I was completely sick of the taste and
rarely ate it again. hahaha

[sf]

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:31:03 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

> I tried them again about a year ago and still loved the chicken
> (original).
>
> It's good as long as you don't eat there often. When I worked there,
> employees were allowed to eat all the chicken that they wanted. I
> thought I had died and gone to fried chicken heaven. Within a week of
> that all you can eat though, I was completely sick of the taste and
> rarely ate it again. hahaha

Ha! There was a method in their madness.

[Brooklyn1]

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 03:45:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 5:29:10 PM UTC-4, Don Wiss wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2016, Cindy Hamilton <angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Apparently KFCs secret herbs and spices are:
>> >
>> >salt
>> >monosodium glutamate
>> >pepper
>> >
>> ><http://www.livescience.com/5517-truth-secret-recipes-coke-kfc.html>
>>
>> The problem with that is KFC makes it clear that there are 11 herbs and
>> spices.
>>
>> This is their ingredients page:
>> https://www.kfc.com/assets/pdfs/kfc_ingredients.pdf
>>
>> Most products have amazingly long ingredient lists. Here the chicken we are
>> discussing:
>>
>> Original Recipe Chicken
>> Fresh Chicken Marinated With: Salt, Sodium Phosphate and Monosodium
>> Glutamate. Breaded With: Wheat Flour, Sodium Chloride
>> and Anti-caking agent (Tricalcium Phosphate), Whey, Nonfat Milk, Egg
>> Whites, Corn Starch, Potato Starch, Maltodextrin,
>> Triglycerides, Natural Flavoring (Milk), Gelatin (From Chicken), Colonel’s
>> Secret Original Recipe Seasoning.
>>
>> As you can see, the MSG is in addition to these 11 spices. And salt also
>> gets into the chicken via the marinade.

I see NO spices/herbs listed, not a one! The Colonel's secret
seasoning is not shown.

[Brooklyn1]

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 08:31:03 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

That's why most eateries let employees eat all they want. While going
to high school I held a part time job after school as a stock boy for
Barton's Bonbonnaire... sold probably the finast chocolates on the
planet then and since. I could eat all I wanted while on the
premises, just couldn't take any home without paying. For a week I
pigged out on chocolate, my favorite was dark chocolate almond bark.
After that first week I could barely tolerate the smell of chocolate,
was about five years before I could eat chocolate again.

[dsi1]

I would have known what the bastards were trying to do right off and foiled their little plan by not shoveling food into my greedy, gaping, maul. My guess is that I would have made employee of the month and they would have stuck my photo in the dining room for all to see and know.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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LOL Incidentally I saw this today and wondered if it could be of use in
this thread ...

http://www.delish.com/cooking/recipe-ideas/g3219/copycat-recipes/?mag=del&list=nl_dnl_news&src=nl&date=082616



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[Cheri]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:57C03687...@att.net...

That's usually the way it is when you can have all that you want at places
of employment. :)

Cheri

[dsi1]

People really seem to want to copycat chocolate chip cookies. Where's the copycat kim chee recipes? :)

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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========

No good asking me:) I don't do copycat anything. I had seen it and was
trying to be helpful:(



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[dsi1]

I hear you. I don't copycat anybody but myself.

As far as the 11 secret herbs and spices goes, I figured that was a sham decades ago. It has however, captured the imagination of people - that's a very good thing in advertising.

The funny thing about your country is that there are so many KFCs in London - most of them, it appears, were fake! :)

[Don Wiss]

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>As far as the 11 secret herbs and spices goes, I figured that was a sham decades ago. It has however, captured the imagination of people - that's a very good thing in advertising.

On this page they claim there is a secret blend of 11 herbs and spices:
https://www.kfc.com/menu/chicken/original-recipe

Don. http://paleodiet.com/definition.htm (e-mail link at page bottom).

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:28207411-cf6c-4105...@googlegroups.com...

I hear you. I don't copycat anybody but myself.

As far as the 11 secret herbs and spices goes, I figured that was a sham
decades ago. It has however, captured the imagination of people - that's a
very good thing in advertising.

The funny thing about your country is that there are so many KFCs in
London - most of them, it appears, were fake! :)

=========

lol well I hate London and have never gone there unless it has been
absolutely necessary so I don't know about that!! I have only ever been in
one um... I can't remember what it was, but it was one of the fast food
places. A friend was passing through and as he didn't have as much time as
we expected he suggested we go to ****

I looked at the menu and thought a filet of fish sounded nice. It wasn't!!!
It was full of gunk and I nearly threw up. I have never been in a fast food
place since:(

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[dsi1]

Most unfortunate! My favorite place to get some fish and chips is Hot Dog on a Stick. I don't like the name of the place myself but it seems to have captured the imagination of Americans. It's served up nice and hot. Unfortunately, there's no malt vinegar to be found in or around the joint. They will serve it with about half a cup of tartar sauce though. I order it with fried zucchini.

https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/sXDj7YTw5c2N2sHGfvMGYfERmsrwxK5tpD1pOFveRrF

[jmcquown]

Who gives a crap? Some people aren't phobic about salt. The recipe was
quoted as found. Feel free to tweak it all you want. (I would, too.)
The topic was "secret herb & spice recipe". Not "is there too much salt
in..." ;)

Jill

[tert in seattle]

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 16:30:41 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:20:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>As far as the 11 secret herbs and spices goes, I figured that was a sham decades ago. It has however, captured the imagination of people - that's a very good thing in advertising.
>>
>> On this page they claim there is a secret blend of 11 herbs and spices:
>> https://www.kfc.com/menu/chicken/original-recipe
>

> And what would be the penalty if an investigation were to find out
> that they didn't really use 11 herbs and spices?
>
> What would the damages and penalty be if it turned out to be false?

enough to bankrupt KFC if we're lucky

[Ophelia]

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It looks good, but where are the chips ... they are not battered surely?



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[Ophelia]

"tert in seattle" wrote in message
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==========

I take it you don't like KFC??

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[Cheri]

"Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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A whole lot more people do like it obviously. :)

Cheri

[tert in seattle]

youre pretty sharp, O

Im gonna keep my eye on you

[Ophelia]

"Cheri" wrote in message news:npsf3...@news3.newsguy.com...

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Indeed:))))


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[Ophelia]

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It's called irony m'dear ... pretty much like the sarcasm you are using ...


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[Sky]

On 8/27/2016 12:51 AM, Sqwertz wrote:

> That is NOT the KFC recipe. Not only is there an indeterminate amount
> of salt but there is nearly a *full cup* of spices per only two cups
> of flour. We all know that KFC does not taste like it's coating is
> made up of 33% "herbs and spices". No fried chicken restaurant or
> fried chicken recipe on Earth adds that much seasoning to their fried
> chicken coating - and then have it taste like no discernable spices at
> all!

There was a brief blurb in my regional newspaper that said

"NEW YORK (AP) — Has Colonel Sanders' nephew inadvertently revealed
to the world the secret blend of 11 herbs and spices behind KFC's fried
chicken empire?

The company says the recipe published in the Chicago Tribune is not
authentic. But that hasn't stopped rampant online speculation that one
of the most legendary and closely guarded secrets in the history of fast
food has been exposed."

from

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/2b3788a01ddb48a48d4bba18440ace26/colonels-secret-recipe-revealed-not-so-fast-says-kfc

or

http://tinyurl.com/j8zsnzp

Hmmm... seems the recipe is still a secret . . . not that it matters
much since there are other places with much better fried chicken than
KFC. Of course, YMMV.

Sky

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Kitchen Rule #2 - Cook's choice!
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[William]

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:43:02 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:59:04 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
>
>> The Chicago Tribune printed what may be KFC's herb and spice recipe. Then
>> KFC and the cousin claimed it wasn't the right one. See:
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/travel/ct-kfc-recipe-revealed-20160818-story.html
>>
>> Here it is:
>>
>> 11 spices — mix with 2 cups white flour
>>
>> 2/3 tablespoon salt
>> 1/2 tablespoon thyme
>> 1/2 tablespoon basil
>> 1/3 tablespoon oregano
>> 1 tablespoon celery salt
>> 1 tablespoon black pepper
>> 1 tablespoon dried mustard
>> 4 tablespoons paprika
>> 2 tablespoons garlic salt
>> 1 tablespoon ground ginger
>> 3 tablespoons white pepper
>
>Any recipes that call for garlic salt and celery salt (plus regular
>salt) are automatically defective. The recipe should call for celery
>seed powder and granulated/powdered garlic, then the proper amount of
>salt as an additional ingredient.
>

>Different brands of seasoned salts vary greatly in their salt and
>spice contents and cannot be relied upon in recipes. And almost 3
>tablespoons of salt is pretty excessive for 2 cups of flour.
>
>And there is no MSG in this recipe, which is a major flavor component
>of KFC original recipe chicken.
>
>-sw


I just went on the KFC web site, entered my zip code in the Store
Locator and wow, there are 42 KFC outlets in a twenty five mile radius
of my house...we can assume that this stuff is just as popular as
McDonalds or Subway

William

[William]

On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 17:03:17 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>And what would be the penalty if an investigation were to find out
>that they didn't really use 11 herbs and spices?

I guarantee that Yum is big enough to "own" half the members of
Congress...thus no penalty.

William

[Don Wiss]

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 13:02:39 -0500, Sky <skyh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> not that it matters
>much since there are other places with much better fried chicken than
>KFC. Of course, YMMV.

Back before I had to go gluten-free, I liked Popeyes. I guess it was the
spiciness of it.

[Cheri]

"Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Yes, like all the people that rail against McDonald's, Burger King, Taco
Bell, Walmart, etc., they obviously are not in the majority of "deciders."
LOL

Cheri

[William]

also note on their web site, if you click the locator box to show you
just the outlets with "buffets", and you are a Senior Citizen, you can
go to the KFC Buffet from 11am til 8pm all you can eat for $6.79
including your drink.

This is way less than $2 for a piece of chicken...and it's "the real
thing".

William

[Cindy Hamilton]

I'd rather pay more and have better, more healthful food.

Cindy Hamilton

[tert in seattle]

*YAWN*

:-]

[Ophelia]

"Cheri" wrote in message news:npsm2...@news4.newsguy.com...

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;-)



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[Bruce]

In article <npsm2...@news4.newsguy.com>, che...@newsguy.com says...

Intelligent people are always a minority.

[Bruce]

In article <560403e0-3cd9-451c...@googlegroups.com>,
angelica...@yahoo.com says...

Amen.

[Sky]

On 8/27/2016 1:44 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 2:42:56 PM UTC-4, BigC300 wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 14:07:04 -0400, William <big...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I just went on the KFC web site, entered my zip code in the
>>> Store Locator and wow, there are 42 KFC outlets in a twenty five
>>> mile radius of my house...we can assume that this stuff is just
>>> as popular as McDonalds or Subway
>>>

>> also note on their web site, if you click the locator box to show
>> you just the outlets with "buffets", and you are a Senior Citizen,
>> you can go to the KFC Buffet from 11am til 8pm all you can eat for
>> $6.79 including your drink.
>>
>> This is way less than $2 for a piece of chicken...and it's "the
>> real thing".
>
> I'd rather pay more and have better, more healthful food.

I wholeheartedly agree about the "better, more healthful food." Who will
bet that KFC actually 'hand-makes' their mashed potatoes from scratch in
each and every restaurant - where an in-house employee actually peels,
boils, mashes/mixes, and adds the 'extras' (milk/cream, butter, S&P)?
Just a guess, but I'd venture to say KFC uses instant potato flakes? Or,
perhaps more than likely (?), each store receives x-number-of-gallons of
ready-to-serve mashed potatoes packaged in heavy, bulk, plastic
'bladders,' but this is another guess, too.

[Cheri]

"Ophelia" <OphEl...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Yes, like all the people that rail against McDonald's, Burger King, Taco
> Bell, Walmart, etc., they obviously are not in the majority of "deciders."
> LOL
>
> Cheri
> ======
>
> ;-)

I don't care for KFC, but dh likes it so he will go and get a couple of
pieces for himself occasionally. I don't really do fast food much at all
anymore, but loved McDonald's fries and Long John Silver's fish when I did.
I don't mind anyone deciding for themselves, that's as it should be, but I
don't care for others thinking they can decide for you by trying to pass
laws that tell you what you can and can't eat. :)

Cheri

[notbob]

On 2016-08-27, Sky <skyh...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I wholeheartedly agree about the "better, more healthful food." Who will
> bet that KFC actually 'hand-makes' their mashed potatoes from scratch in
> each and every restaurant - where an in-house employee actually peels,
> boils, mashes/mixes, and adds the 'extras' (milk/cream, butter, S&P)?
> Just a guess, but I'd venture to say KFC uses instant potato flakes? Or,
> perhaps more than likely (?), each store receives x-number-of-gallons of
> ready-to-serve mashed potatoes packaged in heavy, bulk, plastic
> 'bladders,' but this is another guess, too.

You had me a bit confused. Is this a question of 'who makes real
spuds' or whether-or-not KFC uses dehydrated. It's a given:
KFC uses 'dehydrated'!

Wanna real secret? How does KFC make their cole slaw. With equal
parts milk, wht vinegar, and lemon juice. Add enough sugar to make it
as sweet as you like and --most important!-- let the slaw/dressing
"marinate" fer at least 2 hrs in the fridge. ;)

nb

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 7:20:31 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>
> How does KFC make their cole slaw. With equal
> parts milk, wht vinegar, and lemon juice. Add enough sugar to make it
> as sweet as you like and --most important!-- let the slaw/dressing
> "marinate" fer at least 2 hrs in the fridge. ;)
>
> nb
>
>

All slaw, not necessarily saying KFC's slaw is best,
is better refrigerated for several hours before consuming.
Same holds true for potato salad.

That being said I stopped at Popeye's after leaving Home
Depot and picked up a chicken tenders dinner. Eh, it was
just ok. The slaw was NOT good even after a bit of seasoning
when I got it home and chicken was bland as well. Their
honey mustard sauce is simply terrible. Blech.

[William]

the previous two posts verify something I have noticed at good
restaurants. The coleslaw needs to be well chilled several hours
before serving. Also, I noticed I especially enjoy the house salad at
my favorite Outback Steakhouse...it is always well chilled.

I get pissed off every time I go to the fish camp and get coleslaw
with my fried Oysters because it is room temperature coleslaw. The
chill is the most important feature of good coleslaw. They are
obviouslly too cheap to make it early and refrigerate it.

William

[Bruce]

In article <e8g4sb5suo96mk2fl...@4ax.com>, big...@att.net
says...

>
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 14:42:22 -0400, William <big...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 14:07:04 -0400, William <big...@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:43:02 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:59:04 -0400, Don Wiss wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The Chicago Tribune printed what may be KFC's herb and spice recipe. Then
> >>>> KFC and the cousin claimed it wasn't the right one. See:
> >>>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/travel/ct-kfc-recipe-revealed-20160818-story.html
> >>>>
> >>>> Here it is:
> >>>>

> >>>> 11 spices ? mix with 2 cups white flour

"Outback Steakhouse is an Australian-themed American casual dining
restaurant chain, serving American cuisine, based in Tampa, Florida"
(wikipedia)

A confusing formula. I guess you're eating American beef, surrounded by
pictures of kangaroos and emus.

"with almost 1000 locations in 23 countries throughout North, South
America, Europe, Asia, and Australia" (wikipedia)

This reads as if there are multiple countries in Australia, but anyway.
Strange to start Australian themed restaurants where you don't serve
Australian food and then to open franchises in Australia.

Maybe that idea didn't work very well because www.outback.com, that
addresses me as 'mate' and has a special deal on "No Worries Wednesday",
only lists locations in the US.

[Cheri]

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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They opened one here in town last year but haven't tried it. Hearing about
the heat, and now about being bland, I think I will continue to give it a
pass. Actually, a supermarket S-Mart here in town has really good fried
chicken for a reasonable price.

Cheri

[Don Wiss]

On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:53:37 -0700 (PDT), itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

>That being said I stopped at Popeye's after leaving Home
>Depot and picked up a chicken tenders dinner. Eh, it was
>just ok. The slaw was NOT good even after a bit of seasoning
>when I got it home and chicken was bland as well.

Their chicken is known for being spicy. You must have ordered the mild one
instead of the spicy one.

[Don Wiss]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:40:12 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Maybe that idea didn't work very well because www.outback.com, that
>addresses me as 'mate' and has a special deal on "No Worries Wednesday",
>only lists locations in the US.

You have to go to the correct website. Here it is:
http://outbacksteakhouse.com.au/

I find seven locations listed.

Oh look! I find "a secret blend of 17 herbs and spices." I guess more is
better for marketing. Of course, calling it secret is a marketing ploy.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 8/27/2016 12:28 PM, Cheri wrote:
>

>> enough to bankrupt KFC if we're lucky
>>
>> ==========
>>
>> I take it you don't like KFC??
>
> A whole lot more people do like it obviously. :)
>
> Cheri

Nor my favorite and my wife makes better . . . but sometimes it is
the perfect answer for a quick meal.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 9:59:37 PM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:
>
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:53:37 -0700 (PDT), itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >That being said I stopped at Popeye's after leaving Home
> >Depot and picked up a chicken tenders dinner. Eh, it was
> >just ok. The slaw was NOT good even after a bit of seasoning
> >when I got it home and chicken was bland as well.
>
> Their chicken is known for being spicy. You must have ordered the mild one
> instead of the spicy one.
>
> Don.
>
>

I did order mild but that's no excuse for utterly bland chicken.

[Bruce]

In article <01l4sb5r9jgsbhn9o...@4ax.com>,
donwiss@no_spam.com says...

>
> On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:40:12 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Maybe that idea didn't work very well because www.outback.com, that
> >addresses me as 'mate' and has a special deal on "No Worries Wednesday",
> >only lists locations in the US.
> >
> You have to go to the correct website. Here it is:
> http://outbacksteakhouse.com.au/

Thanks. I was looking at outback.com.au. But that was already taken by a
licquorice company.

They actually do try to pretend their menu's typically Australian:
"Alice Springs Chicken", "Red Centre Sauté". Change the names of the
dishes and you can sell them anywhere in the world to the same target
audience, of course. "Canadian Baby Seal Rump Steak" etc.

> I find seven locations listed.

The closest one to us is 5 hours away. Could have been worse.

[Ophelia]

"Cheri" wrote in message news:npt8s...@news4.newsguy.com...

--------------

Oh yes!!! It is not for me but so long as no one forces me to have it, that
is ok:))


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

[William]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:40:12 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

actually, it's very complicated. Bottom line, they produce an
excellent Steak Dinner...every time!

William

[William]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:31:37 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

I always order Victoria's Filet with Baked Sweet Potato and a fresh
crisp House Salad. They just cook it perfect...every time!

William

[Nancy Young]

On 8/27/2016 5:41 PM, Sky wrote:

> I wholeheartedly agree about the "better, more healthful food." Who will
> bet that KFC actually 'hand-makes' their mashed potatoes from scratch in
> each and every restaurant - where an in-house employee actually peels,
> boils, mashes/mixes, and adds the 'extras'

I like KFC well enough, I have it once in a while, but I don't
get why people like their mashed potatoes and gravy. It has
that gluey reconstituted potato texture and flavor.

I like the potato wedges and the cole slaw. I had green beans
once and they were surprisingly good.

There is no location near where I live, so we just grab it on
the way home from football games, when I'm not all that interested
in knowing what other sides are available. But I never order the
mashed.

nancy

[Brooklyn1]

Why would any thinking person spend $5 for 50¢ worth of chicken
(mostly greasy breading) at a fast food joint, and tastes like nothing
memorable to boot? Chicken is very inexpensive, I can buy a three
pound package of skinless boneless chicken breasts for about $5 and
prepare them however I want with less effort than it took to make the
excursion to that fast food dive.
My secret seasoned dredging flour:
1 cup flour (I use Wondra)
1/2 tsp salt
1/2 tsp fresh ground white pepper
1/2 tsp granulated garlic
1 tsp sweet paprika
1/4 tsp msg
Optional - cayenne to taste
Slice each breast into three cutlets, dredge in my secret seasoned
flour and fry on medium heat til golden.

[Gary]

Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> My secret seasoned dredging flour:
> 1 cup flour (I use Wondra)
> 1/2 tsp salt
> 1/2 tsp fresh ground white pepper
> 1/2 tsp granulated garlic
> 1 tsp sweet paprika
> 1/4 tsp msg
> Optional - cayenne to taste

So much for the secret part, eh? ;)

[Brooklyn1]

On Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:57:17 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> My secret seasoned dredging flour:
>> 1 cup flour (I use Wondra)

>> 1/2 tsp (Penzeys celery salt)

>> 1/2 tsp fresh ground white pepper
>> 1/2 tsp granulated garlic
>> 1 tsp sweet paprika
>> 1/4 tsp msg
>> Optional - cayenne to taste
>
>So much for the secret part, eh? ;)

The real secret ingredient is Penzeys celery salt

[Cheri]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:57C2DFAD...@att.net...

LOL

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, August 28, 2016 at 7:42:56 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 chided:

>
> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 20:31:29 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, August 27, 2016 at 9:59:37 PM UTC-5, Don Wiss wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:53:37 -0700 (PDT), itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >>
> >> >That being said I stopped at Popeye's after leaving Home
> >> >Depot and picked up a chicken tenders dinner. Eh, it was
> >> >just ok. The slaw was NOT good even after a bit of seasoning
> >> >when I got it home and chicken was bland as well.
> >>
> >> Their chicken is known for being spicy. You must have ordered the mild one
> >> instead of the spicy one.
> >>
> >> Don.
> >>
> >>
> >I did order mild but that's no excuse for utterly bland chicken.
>
> Why would any thinking person spend $5 for 50¢ worth of chicken
> (mostly greasy breading) at a fast food joint, and tastes like nothing
> memorable to boot?
>

Ummmmmmmmm, because I'd just spent time at Home Depot and didn't
feel like coming home and cooking? I've had 'fast food' chicken in
the past and some of it's surprisingly tasty. Popeye's definitely
was NOT greasy, just tasteless.

>
> Chicken is very inexpensive, I can buy a three
> pound package of skinless boneless chicken breasts for about $5 and
> prepare them however I want with less effort than it took to make the
> excursion to that fast food dive.
>

Yes, I had skinless, boneless chicken tenders at home in the
f-r-e-e-z-e-r. I had not planned on chicken so none were thawed and
this was a spur of the moment stop.

[jmcquown]

The KFC in Beaufort is definitely not convenient to where I live. I
don't know about the 11 herbs & spices but KFC's chicken pot pie is
surprisingly good! Nice flaky crust.

Around here there's a local fried chicken option. It's got an historic
sign that evokes an old diner/dive:

http://tinyurl.com/zdwmro3

Maryland Fried Chicken. With a big yellow chicken on the sign!

Hmmm, they also sell fried pork chops and fish. And oh! Hush puppies!
(laughing)

http://www.allmenus.com/sc/beaufort/426254-maryland-fried-chicken/menu/

Jill

[Nancy2]

KFC's potatoes are obviously from some instant mix. They have such an odd
taste, they couldn't possibly be real, live potatoes peeled, cooked, and mashed
in the restaurant. Their taste is sorta plastic-y/cardboardy.

N.

[Gary]

I like them ok with the gravy but then I only eat one tiny container
maybe every 3 years or so.

Remember I did work there for one summer. The potatoes were either
instant or at least made somewhere else and frozen. No potato peeling,
etc in our restaurant. The women employees in the store made up the
potatoes and cole slaw. They also mixed up the cole slaw each day but
might have had preshredded cabbage and carrots.

People seem to constantly cut down KFC but it looks like they are doing
ok with profits. I love the chicken, never made me sick. It's a very
spicy, unique taste though. Can't eat it often or you tire of it
quickly.

People that talk so badly about it here are just a bunch or whiny
babies.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Used to love it back in the 70s - we would pick up a bucket for supper
as that was the night we got the groceries after work. I liked the
'extra' crispy that was in for awhile but then it seemed to go off in
general. I tried some last summer and while it was edible, don't
think I will bother again. You're right though, it's still popular,
there are always people there, no shortage.

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-09-03 9:36 AM, lucreti...@fl.it wrote:

> Used to love it back in the 70s - we would pick up a bucket for supper
> as that was the night we got the groceries after work. I liked the
> 'extra' crispy that was in for awhile but then it seemed to go off in
> general. I tried some last summer and while it was edible, don't
> think I will bother again. You're right though, it's still popular,
> there are always people there, no shortage.

I first had it in the 60s and loved it. I only had it a few times but
then had it with my not yet wife in the early 70s and was sadly
disappointed. I have not bought it since but have had a couple pieces
and was not impressed enough to overcome that dismal experience.

[Nancy Young]

On 9/2/2016 11:28 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/28/2016 8:28 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I like the potato wedges and the cole slaw. I had green beans
>> once and they were surprisingly good.
>>
>> There is no location near where I live, so we just grab it on
>> the way home from football games, when I'm not all that interested
>> in knowing what other sides are available. But I never order the
>> mashed.

> The KFC in Beaufort is definitely not convenient to where I live. I
> don't know about the 11 herbs & spices but KFC's chicken pot pie is
> surprisingly good! Nice flaky crust.

I did order that once because you recommended it, it was good.
Usually we just grab an 8 piece and a couple of sides and head
home. It's still a ride.

> Around here there's a local fried chicken option. It's got an historic
> sign that evokes an old diner/dive:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/zdwmro3
>
> Maryland Fried Chicken. With a big yellow chicken on the sign!

Looks like a great place.

A local restauranteur's kid founded a fried chicken place at college.
Cluck U. (laugh) His grandmother named it!

> Hmmm, they also sell fried pork chops and fish. And oh! Hush puppies!
> (laughing)
>
> http://www.allmenus.com/sc/beaufort/426254-maryland-fried-chicken/menu/

I don't really think I'd like fried pork chops to go. Not sure
about that.

I like their drink pairings, hilarious.

nancy

[Nancy Young]

On 9/3/2016 9:12 AM, Gary wrote:

> I like them ok with the gravy but then I only eat one tiny container
> maybe every 3 years or so.

The gravy appears to have come from the same factory. I'm no
fast food snob but I won't eat that. Just not worth the calories.

nancy

[Gary]

lucreti...@fl.it wrote:
>
> Used to love it back in the 70s - we would pick up a bucket for supper
> as that was the night we got the groceries after work. I liked the
> 'extra' crispy that was in for awhile but then it seemed to go off in
> general. I tried some last summer and while it was edible, don't
> think I will bother again.

Worked there summer of '71. Only original chicken then...no extra
crispy. Also, they were cooked in large pressure cookers, not the new
pressure fryers. That probably doesn't make any difference though. The
main thing is that we fried them in lard. There was probably that extra
good taste.

Back then, we served steamed soft dinner rolls too, not those stupid
biscuits that they serve today.

Anyway, I still like the food but have gone there maybe 3 times in the
past 20 years. Last time was about 2-3 years ago. I had 2 coupons for "2
pieces (leg and thigh), one side, and a biscuit" for only $2.99. They
let me use both coupons at once so for $5.98 + tax, I got 2 thighs, 2
drums, small mashed potato and gravy, small coleslaw, and 2 biscuits. I
loved it. It was lunch plus a snack later.

Wish I could get some more coupons. Newspaper ads rarely have them
anymore. I would go again now.

> You're right though, it's still popular,
> there are always people there, no shortage.

KFC is not evil food unless you eat it all the time. The occasional
treat won't hurt you, imo.

Same thing with McDonalds food...love the plain hamburgers and the onion
cheese burgers. Eat and enjoy, just don't eat there all the time.

When I go for Burger King Whoppers....2 for price of one, I always swing
by McDonalds and get their fries to go with them.

It's all good. :-D

[Gary]

Even with the newer inferior taste, how bad could it have been? ;-D

[Gary]

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> On 9/2/2016 11:28 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > Hmmm, they also sell fried pork chops and fish. And oh! Hush puppies!
> > (laughing)

I'm wondering why Jill was laughing about hush puppies. Properly made,
those taste really good. Long John Silvers did them well.

[Gary]

I'm sure that gravy is also a powdered mix. They didn't make that in the
restaurant from scratch, that's for sure.

[Nancy Young]

It's not as if I expect it to be in a fast food restaurant. Or a
lot of places I visit, good think I'm not much for gravy.

But, like fake iced tea, instant mashed potatoes particularly
aren't anything like the real thing. Same with the gravy.

Hey, some people like it, to each his own. We never had potatoes
out of a box, growing up.

nancy

[jmcquown]

Gary, we've talked about this before. I was laughing because it's very
hard to find hush puppies on a restaurant menu around here. It seems
odd to me, because hush puppies are ubiquitous to the South. I simply
don't see them on restaurant menus in this area. (I'd have to go to
Savannah to find a Long John Silver's.)

I could always make my own; BTDT. It's a simple cornmeal batter (akin
to making cornbread, don'tcha know) with minced onions (I always added a
pinch of garlic powder and some cayenne pepper.)

The problem is hush puppies require deep frying which is messy. Then
where to store the used oil until next time around? I'd rather let a
restaurant handle deep frying.

Maryland Fried Chicken in Beaufort seems to have everything on the menu
but the kitchen sink... and hush puppies. ;)

Jill

[sf]

It got so bad at one point that the real Colonel Sanders returned to
right the ship. I have a KFC near me and stop there for a
mini-chicken sandwich when I'm hungry and walking past it. They're
fine, IMO - but I'm not a fried chicken critic. I only ask that it's
crispy and not dripping with grease.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

[dsi1]

The Colonel would probably shit in his white pants if he saw how they were cutting up his beloved chicken. KFC probably started doing that the day after his funeral. :)

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 8:11:22 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> People seem to constantly cut down KFC but it looks like they are doing
> ok with profits. I love the chicken, never made me sick. It's a very
> spicy, unique taste though. Can't eat it often or you tire of it
> quickly.
>
> People that talk so badly about it here are just a bunch or whiny
> babies.
>
>

My only gripe with KFC is their chicken is soooooooooo salty.
I can eat their chicken then drink enough water until I look like
one of those Macy's Christmas Parade balloons that take a dozen
people to guide it down the street.

[sf]

On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 13:37:50 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

> My only gripe with KFC is their chicken is soooooooooo salty.
> I can eat their chicken then drink enough water until I look like
> one of those Macy's Christmas Parade balloons that take a dozen
> people to guide it down the street.

Really? I know that sometimes I eat food with no salt added and I
think it's overpowered with salt, so maybe we have a salt-meter that
short circuits on occasion.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 9:00:03 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
>
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 13:37:50 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> > My only gripe with KFC is their chicken is soooooooooo salty.
> > I can eat their chicken then drink enough water until I look like
> > one of those Macy's Christmas Parade balloons that take a dozen
> > people to guide it down the street.
>
> Really? I know that sometimes I eat food with no salt added and I
> think it's overpowered with salt, so maybe we have a salt-meter that
> short circuits on occasion.
>
>

That must be it. I do enjoy KFC occasionally but rarely eat it
because all I will do is guzzle water.

[jmcquown]

On 9/3/2016 11:07 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> That must be it. I do enjoy KFC occasionally but rarely eat it
> because all I will do is guzzle water.
>

Water is good for you. :) Not saying you should eat KFC or other salty
food, but water is good. :)

Jill

[sf]

On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 20:07:21 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

> On Saturday, September 3, 2016 at 9:00:03 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 13:37:50 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> > <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> > > My only gripe with KFC is their chicken is soooooooooo salty.
> > > I can eat their chicken then drink enough water until I look like
> > > one of those Macy's Christmas Parade balloons that take a dozen
> > > people to guide it down the street.
> >
> > Really? I know that sometimes I eat food with no salt added and I
> > think it's overpowered with salt, so maybe we have a salt-meter that
> > short circuits on occasion.
> >
> >
> That must be it. I do enjoy KFC occasionally but rarely eat it
> because all I will do is guzzle water.

It just occurred to me that celery has a high salt content. Now I'm
wondering if celery seed does too and if it's one of the secret
seasonings?

[Gary]

Well that "discovered" recipe does contain lots of salt.
regular salt
celery salt
garlic salt

I'll bet it's authentic. Maybe not the final recipe but maybe what he
wrote as he was trying to perfect it. Natually, KFC is going to claim
it's not real.

[sf]

Why would KFC bother with celery and garlic *salt* when all they need
is powdered dehydrated celery and garlic? Any time I see those "salt"
ingredients, I know someone who can't cook very well made it up.

[Don Wiss]

On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 12:44:32 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:

>I could always make my own; BTDT. It's a simple cornmeal batter (akin
>to making cornbread, don'tcha know) with minced onions (I always added a
>pinch of garlic powder and some cayenne pepper.)

Or buy a mix:
https://www.amazon.com/s/?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=hush+puppy+mix

Don. http://paleofood.com/ (e-mail at page bottom).

[jmcquown]

On 9/7/2016 8:26 PM, Don Wiss wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 12:44:32 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I could always make my own; BTDT. It's a simple cornmeal batter (akin
>> to making cornbread, don'tcha know) with minced onions (I always added a
>> pinch of garlic powder and some cayenne pepper.)
>
> Or buy a mix:
> https://www.amazon.com/s/?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=hush+puppy+mix
>

Thanks for conveniently snipping the part where I said I do not want to
deep fry anything (not even hushpuppies). I leave that to restaurants.

Jill

[Cheri]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:CD2Az.91801$%M4.5...@fx36.iad...

> Thanks for conveniently snipping the part where I said I do not want to
> deep fry anything (not even hushpuppies). I leave that to restaurants.
>
> Jill

I don't deep fry often either. Recently though I did try a recipe from
America's Test Kitchen that was spicy salt and pepper shrimp deep fried
until crisp, shells and all. I was curious as to how the shrimp would turn
out with deep frying them with the shells on, they were very good, crispy
and tasty. :)

Cheri

[jmcquown]

I have no doubt many deep fried foods are delicious! I'm glad your
shrimp turned out so well. :) IMHO, deep frying is messy. And there's
always leftover (perfectly re-usable) oil. Since I'm not apt to deep
fry again for another year, it's likely to be a waste of good oil. Or a
waste of refrigerator space, something saved "just in case" I decide to
deep fry something. Not likely. But hey, that's just me. :)

Jill