Corned Beef a la Sheldon

[Dave S]

Recipe By :Sheldon
Serving Size : 0 Preparation Time :0:00
Categories : beef main dishes
vegetables

Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
-------- ------------ --------------------------------
corned beef -- thin-cut
pickling spices
whole carrots
whole potatoes
cabbage wedges
brown sugar

Choose good grade of thin-cut corned beef (I prefer Nathan's).

Cook in the largest pot you own. Seriously, cook in lots of water.

First, rinse corned beef and and discard spices if present (old spices
were used up), or save spice packet if present. Start in cold water.
Bring to the boil (uncovered). Simmer 1/2 hour, dump water! Yes,
discarding water removes excess salt/nitrites.

Okay, now the actual cooking begins. Start in cold water (again? yes,
again!). Add spice packet (if none exists or since you dumped the first
batch, add new pickling spices. Bring to the boil, lower heat to low
simmer. Simmer approximately 1 hour and add peeled carrots (whole) and
unpeeled potatoes (whole), bring to simmer again and add cabbage wedges.
Simmer til veggies are tender and remove. Continue simmering til corned
beef is tender yet firm; test with fork (your forking may vary).

Remove corned beef to roasting pan fat side up, cover liberally with brown
sugar, tent loosely with foil, and place in 325 F oven for 30-45 minutes.

Remove corned beef from oven (now place veggies in oven to reheat). Let
corned beef rest uncovered 15 minutes. With sharp knife slice thinly
across grain, and serve with veggies, mustard, and beer.

Source:
"rec.food.cooking 3/14/00"

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:39:55 PM UTC-6, Dave S wrote:
>
> Recipe By :Sheldon
> Serving Size : 0 Preparation Time :0:00
> Categories : beef main dishes
> vegetables
>
> Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
> -------- ------------ --------------------------------
> corned beef -- thin-cut
> pickling spices
> whole carrots
> whole potatoes
> cabbage wedges
> brown sugar
>

> Source:
> "rec.food.cooking 3/14/00"
>
*SNIP*

I've only cooked one corned beef and I did it in the Ninja Foodi pressure
cooker following a well-known (to Ninja Foodi owners) YouTube contributor.
I was not impressed with the results as it turned out a bit tough and I should
have put it back in the cooker and processed it for double the time recommended.

[Sqwertz]

On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 17:39:50 -0500, Dave S wrote:

> Recipe By :Sheldon

> ....

> Remove corned beef to roasting pan fat side up, cover liberally with brown
> sugar, tent loosely with foil, and place in 325 F oven for 30-45 minutes.
>
> Remove corned beef from oven (now place veggies in oven to reheat). Let
> corned beef rest uncovered 15 minutes. With sharp knife slice thinly
> across grain, and serve with veggies, mustard, and beer.

Never braise (or boil) meat followed by roasting. You'll just dry
out the meat.

-sw

[dsi1]

Corned beef ala dsi1:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/RySmVXbA3oULyzVSA

[Bruce]

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 00:27:51 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>
wrote:

I prefer your more Asian food pictures. This looks a bit white nursing
home.

[dsi1]

Canned corned beef and cabbage/onion is a popular dish with poor folk everywhere. I made a sandwich out of canned corned beef.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/UWu5zyc13fxTyEcV8

https://photos.app.goo.gl/Wz2jrXeMJVYUQZTy9

https://photos.app.goo.gl/th88ydBuMhm4hKTo6

[Bruce]

On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 02:10:44 -0800 (PST), dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net>

It was the carrots and the potatoes. They looked a bit Sheldonesque.

[f...@sdf.org]

On 2023-03-03, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

> I've only cooked one corned beef and I did it in the Ninja Foodi pressure
> cooker following a well-known (to Ninja Foodi owners) YouTube contributor.
> I was not impressed with the results as it turned out a bit tough and I should
> have put it back in the cooker and processed it for double the time recommended.

there is no set time, it's done when it's done and it'd done when it's
fork tender.

is no different BBQing brisket, it is brisket. is done by feel. i've
seen all kinds of instructions with varying temperatures to cook it to.
experience has taught me to start checking for tenderness at 190F. i've
had brisket fork tender at 195F, and had it tender at 210F. when it's
done, the fork goes in like a hot fork in butter. over cook it and you
ruin it. low and slow is the only way to go. same thing making corned
beef pastrami. no two pieces of meat are the same.

we do corned beef once a year in the kitchen for Saint Patrick's Day.
corned beef and cabbage. early next week while corned beef is readily
available everywhere i'll grab a half dozen of them. one flat for the
corned beef and cabbage and five rounds to freeze to be used to make
pastrami throughout the rest of the year.

we just simmer the corned beef in water with the spices until its done,
add the cabbage and continue simmering until its done and enjoy. why
people want to make rocket science out of cooking a slab of cured
brisket is totally beyond me. if you can cook water you can cook corned
beef. sheeze.


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[jmcquown]

I cook corned beef brisket in the crock pot with water and the packet of
"pickling spices" and throw in a couple of bay leaves. I later add the
cabbage wedges and continue cooking until thee cabbage is forking
tender. ;) No brown sugar and no placing it in the oven. Turns out
perfectly, the brisket is nice and tender. :)

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I confess I've not been inspired to try it again. BUT I do have two heads of
cabbage in the refrigerator and a rope of kielbasa plus a package of ham.
Maybe this week I'll cook those and share with two neighbors.

[jmcquown]

I don't know a thing about the Ninja Foodi and using one to cook corned
beef. I've always either cooked the brisket in the crock pot or in a
pot on the stovetop at a slow simmer in water, then add the cabbage wedges.

I'm waiting to see what "specials" will show up at the supermarket or
the meat market for corned beef for St. Patrick's day. That and
quartered cabbage cooked with the brisket is always a look-forward to
meal. I usually buy 2 corned beef briskets and freeze one to cook later
in the year. :)

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 11:09:17 AM UTC-6, jmcquown wrote:
>
> I don't know a thing about the Ninja Foodi and using one to cook corned
> beef.
>

> Jill
>
It's a combo pressure cooker/steamer/slow cooker/air fryer, etc.
If you know what an Instant Pot is you'll know what the Foodi is.

[jmcquown]

I've heard of it, of course, but it's not one of those appliances I
have. I merely mentioned it because you said the corned beef you cooked
in yours was tough. Never goes wrong slow cooked in water. :)

Jill

[dsi1]

Cooking corned beef in a pressure cooker is not a good idea. You might as well throw that piece of meat in the garbage.

[Dave S]

On 3/3/2023 7:21 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 17:39:50 -0500, Dave S wrote:
>
>> Recipe By :Sheldon
>> ....
>> Remove corned beef to roasting pan fat side up, cover liberally with brown
>> sugar, tent loosely with foil, and place in 325 F oven for 30-45 minutes.
>>

> Never braise (or boil) meat followed by roasting. You'll just dry
> out the meat.
>
> -sw

That might have been the point of the recipe.
Dry it bit, then the carmelized topping.
I made it a couple times.

[dsi1]

"Remarkably, much of the excised material in my Rainbow Script was a harsh portrayal of the
mistreatment of the enslaved workers on Scarlett's plantation, including references to beatings,
threats to throw “Mammy” out of the plantation for not working hard enough, and other
depictions of physical and emotional violence... Prissy is the subject of the most graphic
depictions of mistreatment in the lost scenes... some of the lost scenes showcasing the brutality
of slavery were drawn from Mitchell’s novel itself. In a letter about white convict laborers in the
book, Mitchell wrote that “if they had been black Scarlett would not have permitted them to be
mistreated because she liked colored people and, in common with most of her generation, she
would have felt that Negroes had a market value, even after freedom"..."

Comedic scenes were also omitted:

- A young Scarlett belches and is called a pig by her sister before they descend into a slap-fight.

- There is also a section written for laughs where maids and sex workers offer testimony in court to
provide a false alibi for a raid. One of the women says, “Of course we were drinking. What do you
take me for, your honor?”

'Gone With the Wind': The Explosive Lost Scenes

A never-revealed war over slavery's depiction. Rhett Butler's suicidal intentions. A rediscovered
script reveals what didn't make final cut

https://theankler.com/p/gone-with-the-wind-the-explosive?utm_source=substack

“It was better to know the worst than wonder.”

― Margaret Mitchell, Gone With the Wind

At the Atlanta premiere of Gone With the Wind on December 15, 1939, the 10-year-old Martin Luther
King Jr. was dressed as a slave.

It was the second night of an official three-day holiday proclaimed by the mayor of Atlanta and the governor
of Georgia. King’s choir was serenading a white audience, directed to croon spirituals to evoke an
ambiance of moonlight and magnolias for the benefit of the movie’s famous producer, David O. Selznick.

He was the son of a former studio head and the husband of Louis B. Mayer’s daughter Irene, inspiring the ancient joke in Hollywood that “the son-in-law also rises.” But he’d fought hard to carve out his own legacy, beginning with his addition of the eye-catching but meaningless “O” to his name, and culminating in his creation of an independent studio. By 1939, Selznick had established himself as one of Hollywood’s most notoriously ambitious and outspoken showmen. He’d gambled his entire studio on Gone With the Wind, banking on the popularity of a novel about a ruthless Southern belle during the Civil War that had swept America three years earlier, winning its first-time author Margaret Mitchell the Pulitzer Prize and soon becoming the bestselling work of fiction in the country, second only to the Bible in book sales.

As Selznick watched King and the Ebenezer Baptist Church choir sing, and white Atlanta swirl around in giddy celebration of his epic movie, the producer harbored a shocking secret never revealed until today: a civil war that had roiled the production internally over the issue of slavery, with one group of screenwriters insisting on depicting the brutality of that institution, and another faction, which included F. Scott Fitzgerald, trying to wash it away.

Selznick’s struggles over the exclusion of the KKK and the n-word from the script and his negotiations with the NAACP and his Black cast are the stuff of legend.

But the producer’s decision to entertain scenes showcasing the horrors of slavery before deciding to cut them has never been told (in addition to scenes of Rhett Butler’s suicidal ideation with a gun, and even a cross-dressing rioter). If not for Selznick’s choices to err on the side of white pacification, he could have altered the course of one of the most celebrated — and disgraced — movies ever made.

The Lost Scenes

I discovered this untold history of Gone With the Wind after I stumbled on an antique shooting script for sale at an online bookstore three years ago. I knew immediately the screenplay was an amazing find since, according to the auction at which it originally sold, Selznick had ordered all shooting scripts destroyed. This was one of the last surviving “Rainbow Scripts”, named for the multi-color pages inserted to reflect the famously obsessive producer’s revisions, which continued to pour in even until the final days of the production. I saw that the 301-page script was authenticated for the previous owner by Bonhams, one of the most prestigious auction houses in the world, so I bought it (for $15,000 — don’t ask. More on my GWTW obsessions here).

When I started reading the Rainbow Script, I found it even more incredible than I could have imagined. It was full of lost scenes cut from the movie between February 27, 1939, when the first inserts were added, and some time after June 25, 1939, when the last of them were dated. Some of these scenes were known to me by legend and research, but most of them were never described anywhere else before.

Remarkably, much of the excised material in my Rainbow Script was a harsh portrayal of the mistreatment of the enslaved workers on Scarlett's plantation, including references to beatings, threats to throw “Mammy” out of the plantation for not working hard enough, and other depictions of physical and emotional violence. Had these scenes remained in the final film, they would have stood in startling juxtaposition to the pageantry on display at the premiere in Atlanta. At the time of production, GWTW’s romanticization of slavery led African American thinkers like Ben Davis to call it “dangerous poison covered with sugar.” William L. Patterson went even further, describing it as “a weapon of terror against black America.” These voices were in the critical minority in the twentieth century, but over time, scholars have increasingly emphasized GWTW’s promulgation of the mythology of the Lost Cause, an interpretation of the Civil War that romanticizes the struggle as a war of Northern aggression that desecrated Southern honor and culture.

Some of the behind-the-scenes material is excruciating to read. Charged with absolute fidelity to Mitchell’s novel, dehumanizing language trickled from her pages into the words of the creative team itself. Mitchell described a Black assailant as “a squat black negro with shoulders and chest like a gorilla.” A script supervisor mechanically parroted the language in her summary of the movie’s cast, naming the character “Gorilla Negro.” When Selznick expressed his hope to retain the use of the n-word in the script by “the better negroes” and asked his assistant and publicist Val Lewton to seek the counsel of “some local Negro leaders on the subject,” Lewton horrifyingly replied that “the n***s resent being called ‘n***s.’”

Screenwriters’ War Over Race

Despite its reputation for romanticization, some of the lost scenes showcasing the brutality of slavery were drawn from Mitchell’s novel itself. In a letter about white convict laborers in the book, Mitchell wrote that “if they had been black Scarlett would not have permitted them to be mistreated because she liked colored people and, in common with most of her generation, she would have felt that Negroes had a market value, even after freedom. (Old ideas will hang on).” Despite Mitchell’s note, which is ostensibly humane but actually dehumanizing, the novel has many scenes of mistreatment.

Prissy is the subject of the most graphic depictions of mistreatment in the lost scenes, particularly in Garrett’s version of the script. In the final version of the film, Prissy exaggerates her skills as a midwife due to her own subversive inclinations, just like in the novel. But in Garrett’s version, Prissy lies because Scarlett intimidates her. “Do you know anything about havin’ babies?” Scarlett asks Prissy weeks before Melanie is to give birth, seizing her arm and threatening to strike her. Prissy is “terrified” when she responds “Oh, yas’m - yas’m – ah knows.” “You better” threatens Scarlett.

In another cut sequence, a Northern woman accidentally bumps into Mammy on the street and cleans her arm where they had touched, underscoring the idea that the Yankees rather than the Southerners are the true locus of racism. Along similar lines, in a scene drawn from Mitchell’s original which Selznick very much wanted to put in the screenplay though he never dared to include it, the character Uncle Peter was to have a heartfelt monologue about his sorrow over being called the n-word by rude Northerners.

Omitting this historical material might have arguably helped to focus the film on the human story at its core. But unfortunately, moving scenes were also excised, like Scarlett comforting a dying soldier desperate for human touch by putting her hand on his cheek, before another prisoner coarsens the mood by expressing gratitude that the death of the ailing man will finally bring him peace and quiet. Later, a Protestant minister and Catholic priest comfort each other after the Battle of Gettysburg beside a woman sobbing over her setter dog. Other, more heavy-handed touches also ended up on the cutting room floor:

Hooligans carrying off pig carcasses at the burning of the Atlanta depot, producing silhouettes with “a weird effect of half human half animal figures”

In that same surreal scene, a man wearing a woman’s bonnet and raiding dresses from a clothing store, with gowns overflowing in his arms.

A flashback of Rhett and Scarlett’s relationship before their final scene together.

Rather than “After all, tomorrow is another day,” the final line “Rhett! Rhett! You’ll come back! You’ll come back! I KNOW you will!”

Comedic scenes were also omitted:

A young Scarlett belches and is called a pig by her sister before they descend into a slap-fight.

When Scarlett marries Charles Hamilton to spite Ashley Wilkes, the object of her unrequited love, Charles suggests that “we’ll have a double wedding with Ashley,” to which Scarlett sharply replies “We will not!”

There is also a section written for laughs where maids and sex workers offer testimony in court to provide a false alibi for a raid. One of the women says, “Of course we were drinking. What do you take me for, your honor?”

Far from only focusing on slavery, much of the cut material in the Rainbow Script also fleshed out characters like Clark Gable’s Rhett Butler. When Rhett sees Scarlett at the barbeque for the first time, he is told she is “the hardest-hearted girl in the state of Georgia.” Asked if he’d like to meet her, he replies, “No, I’d rather watch her.” When Scarlett says of the South “I never dreamed it would end like this,” he says, “I did. I always saw these flames.” After Scarlett miscarries, he blames himself for her plight and is only dissuaded from shooting himself by a conversation with Melanie. In the final film, an echo of this somber turn in the story survives; Mammy tells Melanie that she feared Rhett was suicidal after the death of Bonnie. The cut scene in the Rainbow Script dramatizes Rhett’s thoughts of suicide and confirms Mammy’s suspicions in an earlier context.

Selznick fought hard for McDaniel’s Best Supporting Actress Oscar, partly due to his great respect for her performance, and partly as a strategy to diffuse negative reactions to GWTW in the Black press, which he increasingly attempted to court even after the movie premiered. After calling in a favor for her inclusion in the Oscar ceremonies, he was dissatisfied when she was seated at the back of the room and had her seat moved to a more prominent location, though not at his table, still set apart from her co-stars.

After she won the Academy Award, McDaniel donated her plaque (winners of supporting actor Oscars weren’t given gold statues until 1943) to Howard University, which displayed it in their fine arts building. In the late ’60s and early ’70s, it disappeared. According to Denise Randle, who was in charge of cataloging Howard’s artifacts, it could have been thrown away by protestors who resented the role of Mammy. “At that time,” Randle explained, “it was ‘Black Power, Black Power,’ but they may not have understood where she really stood in the film industry and the pioneer that she was.” Later, Randle suggested that since it was a plaque rather than a statue, people may have been looking for the wrong thing, and it may have been hidden or forgotten. There is a legend that it was thrown into the Potomac around the time of the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr.

Then again, it might be a mistake to give Selznick any benefit of the doubt. According to Hattie McDaniel biographer Carlton Jackson, Louise Beavers auditioned for the role of Mammy wearing “her finest clothes,” but “Hattie showed up authentically dressed as a typical Old Southern Mammy. The producer was so impressed, he said he could ‘smell the magnolias.’” On the subject of slavery, it seems, David O. Selznick’s heart was with the Romantics. Wearing her rags, Hattie McDaniel’s heart was probably with her parents, born slaves. But she said that she’d rather “play a maid and make $700 a week than be one for $7.”

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[Cindy Hamilton]

Sheldon, is that you?

--
Cindy Hamilton

[dsi1]

God, I sure hope not. I'm not GM either. Phrase the Lord.

[GM]

An WW II fave ditty, Unca Tojo - do YOU remember...???

Don't YOU miss them good old WW II daze...???

"Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition

Song by Kay Kiser and His Orchestra

"Down went the gunner, a bullet was his fate
Down went the gunner, and then the gunner's mate
Up jumped the sky pilot, gave the boys a look
And manned the gun himself as he laid aside The Book, shouting...

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
And we'll all stay free

Praise the Lord and swing into position
Can't afford to be a politician
Praise the Lord, we're all between perdition
And the deep blue sea
Yes the sky pilot said it
Ya gotta give him credit
For a sonofagun of a gunner was he
Shouting Praise the Lord, we're on a mighty mission
All aboard, we ain't a-goin' fishin'
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
And we'll all stay free

Praise the Lord (Praise the Lord) and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord (Praise the Lord) and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord (Praise the Lord) and pass the ammunition
And we'll all stay free

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition
And we'll all stay free.."

On a Sunday morning in December 1941, a chaplain had his most difficult assignment — to say a
prayer to sailors aboard a U.S. navy ship actively under low–flying attack by the JAP enemy firing
from all directions.

He quickly realized the best he could do was walk the ammunition line saying, “Praise the Lord and
Pass the Ammunition!”

Stories of the overheard phrase quickly turned into legend and passed between soldiers, eventually
reaching the press and one Broadway composer and lyricist, Frank Loesser. He served in the
Radio Productions Unit charged with mounting shows of popular guest stars for boosting morale
of the troops.

The 1942 version by Kay Kyser and His Orchestra reached number 1.

A portion of the tune is sung while in the Superman cartoon "Jungle Drums" Hitler bows his head
from news that Allied forces cut off a major assault of German U-boats.

😁

--
GM

[Hank Rogers]

No, that's Tojo, but they are two peas from the same pod so to speak.