minimum diet for survival
TJ
> Oh, and the reason I am doing this is to see how much it costs to keep
> people alive, as either a means for saving money, or for saving lives,
> whatever the circumstance.
>
> Thanks. Paul.
I'd be surprized if something like the WHO or the XXXX Cross didn't have
all this...
tj
Paul Edwards
to skip it at high school) to give me a diet consisting of the cheapest
food necessary to sustain "healthy" life, ie I didn't want to be one of
these people who ate carrots all their life and died at 30.
After much arm-twisting, I got it from him, with the caveat "don't blame
me if you die of scurvey".
Anyway, here it is in its full glory...
Diet (per day)
1.5 cups rice
1 spoon margarine
10 grams raw bran
1/2 cup soya bean
1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING
I actually tried this for a few days at one stage but I got sick. I'm sure
that that was a coincidence, but the other thing I discovered was that
this was completely unpalatable.
I'm a big fan of Indian cooking, and basically I have found that I can
eat rice by itself if you mix it with curry sauce. Normally I am a
big fan of meat & rice, no vegetables. I try not to eat anything that
didn't have parents.
So, as a near-carnivore, this diet is the exact opposite of what I want
to eat. However, I am keen to find out if this diet works or not. So
I have two questions:
1. Does anyone see anything lacking in this diet from a technical
point of view?
2. Can someone suggest a method of cooking this food, especially
that involves putting a large dose of Thai chilli sauce (or something
similar), so that my mouth is burnt out when I'm eating it, so that I
don't notice the putrid taste and thus don't care and can continue
eating the "food". Artificial flavouring or anything else, I just want
to keep it down and keep it up. I also like the taste of lollies (aka
sweets/candy), I don't know if artificial flavouring has the ability
to make any old crap taste like sugar/chocolate etc.
Apologies if this question has been asked before, I did a deja search
and didn't find any hits.
Note - I'm trying to sustain life not lose weight etc. Also note that
I'm not an experienced cook, I never cook anything, I buy takeaway.
So don't assume I know anything, I need basic instructions on how
to convert something not fit for pigs into something fit for pigs.
Speaking of pigs, an amusing thing is that I also tried getting prices
out of this friend of mine, and after much badgering he told me that
soya beans came in different categories, good stuff was sold in
health food stores, worse stuff was converted into oil, and it went
down the line to the lowest grade stuff which was used as pig food,
but could still be eaten and was bloody cheap!
wej3715
: I'm a big fan of Indian cooking, and basically I have found that I can
: eat rice by itself if you mix it with curry sauce.
One thing I really like to do at Indian buffets is to spoon some
of the curry sauce from the curried chickenon top of the rice.
The rice is already very good, but that makes it fantastic.
But I've rarely seen anyone else do that. Usually those that
I've seen do that had probably never eaten Indian food before
and were just doing what they saw someone else do.
Eric Johnson
Miche
Edwards" <kerr...@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote:
> Many years ago I asked someone who had done biology (I managed
> to skip it at high school) to give me a diet consisting of the cheapest
> food necessary to sustain "healthy" life, ie I didn't want to be one of
> these people who ate carrots all their life and died at 30.
>
> After much arm-twisting, I got it from him, with the caveat "don't blame
> me if you die of scurvey".
>
> Anyway, here it is in its full glory...
>
> Diet (per day)
>
> 1.5 cups rice
> 1 spoon margarine
> 10 grams raw bran
> 1/2 cup soya bean
> 1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING
If it contains "1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING" you will likely get
sick sooner or later. Your body absorbs a lot more nutrients from food
than from vitamin tablets. You are probably not getting anything like the
total nutrients listed on the label.
Eat real food. Not only is it tastier -- it's better for you.
Miche
Alex Rast
>Many years ago I asked someone who had done biology (I managed
>to skip it at high school) to give me a diet consisting of the cheapest
>food necessary to sustain "healthy" life, ie I didn't want to be one of
>these people who ate carrots all their life and died at 30.
>
>After much arm-twisting, I got it from him, with the caveat "don't blame
>me if you die of scurvey".
>
>Anyway, here it is in its full glory...
>
>Diet (per day)
>
>1.5 cups rice
>1 spoon margarine
>10 grams raw bran
>1/2 cup soya bean
>1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING
>
>
>point of view?
I do see some odd techincal points, some nutritional and some cost-based.
1) Rice may or may not be the cheapest carbohydrate depending on where you
live. Other ones I've seen cheaper include barley and wheat (wheat happens to
be the cheapest where I am). Secondly, the diet declines to mention whether
you're using brown or white rice. From a nutritional standpoint white rice is
going to have some serious problems. Brown rice has a far superior nutrient
profile.
2) Margarine is practically death in a cube. And once you add the fact that it
tastes foul, the need to find a better fat source seems inevitable. The
problems with margarine center around the fact that it has a high proportion
of "trans fat" - a particularly unhealthy form of saturated fat far worse than
ordinary "cis fat", the normal saturated fat. I've seen studies saying trans
fats double your risk of heart disease and associated problems. Furthermore,
the intensive processing generally rancidifies the fat, making it poorly
absorbed and a source of free radicals. And again, with such a rotten taste,
how could anyone stomach the stuff? Not good. Basically, with fat, there's no
free lunch, as it were. *Any* fat that's basically solid at room temperature
is by and large heavily saturated, which means it's not exactly optimum from a
cardiovascular standpoint. In fats, you also want at least some proportion of
the Omega-3 fats, the so-called "essential fatty acids", in addition to
reasonably balanced polyunstaturates vs. monounsaturates. Technically, the
healthiest fat is olive oil, but when you consider how expensive it is I think
we can rule that out. For "bang for the buck" the best choice would appear to
be canola, provided it isn't overprocessed. Some research claims there are
problems with canola oil, but as I read it it appears the source of the
problem was really that most canola oil is very intensively processed.
3) Bran doesn't have many calories, although it contributes a lot of fiber.
However, with both beans and grains in the mix, you'll get plenty of fiber,
provided you stick with whole unpolished grains, for instance, brown rice
instead of white. I think this is an unnecessary addition. Dump it.
4) Soybeans aren't quite perfectly balanced in protein, and although rice has
the right protein makeup to balance the deficiency, its protein content isn't
exactly high. So you need to eat a large amount of rice or find a better
protein source, especially for methionine, the most difficult of the amino
acids to find in foods. A very high-protein hard red wheat might have at least
a good enough protein quantity, but without animal protein you'll always be
scavenging for the methionine. Animal protein is by and large pretty
expensive, of course. The 2 cheapest I can think of are milk and turkey. There
aren't any easy solutions to the protein dilemma. But I would consider adding
at least a little milk.
5) Good vitamin tablets that have everything are incredibly expensive.
Furthermore, there are all sorts of interactions between different nutrients
that can make the panacaea pill ineffective. Iron is generally bad to take
with other nutrients, and calcium is best taken with magnesium and without
other vitamins. In addition the diet above is notoriously calcium-poor, and
because of exactly the interactions I just mentioned, virtually no
multivitamin supplement has anything near required levels of calcium. So the
above diet virtually sets you up for a calcium deficiency. This is a strong
argument for the addition of milk as I discussed in 4). Meanwhile, since we're
dumping the bran, I think this is a prime opportunity to help ease the burden
of a multivitamin with a cheap, fresh vegetable or fruit. In the vegetable
department, lettuce is probably the best bet, or spinach, but I think spinach
is much more expensive. If you went for the fruit instead, apples would be the
no-brainer choice.
Finally, somewhere in the list, I'd add some room to consider peanuts, a food
loaded with nutrients, protein-dense, and containing reasonable amounts of
generally healthy fat. They're also cheaper than virtually any straight fat,
and they store better, too. Just make sure they're unroasted. Ironically, you
might want to consider salting them because in violent contrast to most diets,
this one will be possibly dangerously low in sodium.
Without trying to be precise with amounts, then, I'd recommend something like
this:
1 1/2 cups whole hard red wheat berries (or possibly brown rice)
1 oz (1/8 cup) peanuts
1 cup whole milk (you could also use 3 tbsp whole powdered milk)
1/2 cup soybeans
1/4 lb lettuce (wild guess on the amount, as is the milk)
1 *very carefully chosen* vitamin supplement
You need to choose your supplement to make up the vitamin deficiencies at
lowest cost. You'd want to find the nutritional profiles of all the listed
items and find one that complemented the profile like lock and key.
Of course the big problem with *this* diet is that it's a virtual setup for
some sort of allergy. What with wheat, peanuts, milk, and soy, pretty much the
big 4 of common food allergies, I figure I haven't left out any major allergy
sufferer. I have begun to suspect, indeed, that food allergies may be a direct
response to very nutrient-dense foods - some bodies simply can't take very
broad-spectrum, highly concentrated foods without complaining.
>
>2. Can someone suggest a method of cooking this food, especially
>that involves putting a large dose of Thai chilli sauce (or something
>similar), so that my mouth is burnt out when I'm eating it, so that I
>don't notice the putrid taste and thus don't care and can continue
>eating the "food". Artificial flavouring or anything else, I just want
>to keep it down and keep it up. I also like the taste of lollies (aka
>sweets/candy), I don't know if artificial flavouring has the ability
>to make any old crap taste like sugar/chocolate etc.
Spices and flavorings are all terrifyingly expensive. So you need to pick not
based on price, but on how strong the flavor is and therefore how far a given
amount will go. I nominate cinnamon and pepper, 2 spices that can obliterate
virtually anything with a pinch.
Every comment here is the suggestion of a non-professional. Feel free to
criticize. I'd be surprised if I haven't made at least several egregious
mistakes.
Alex Rast
ar...@uswest.net
ar...@inficom.com
Stella Hackell
Edwards" <kerr...@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote:
> Many years ago I asked someone who had done biology (I managed
> to skip it at high school) to give me a diet consisting of the cheapest
> food necessary to sustain "healthy" life, ie I didn't want to be one of
> these people who ate carrots all their life and died at 30.
>
> After much arm-twisting, I got it from him, with the caveat "don't blame
> me if you die of scurvey".
>
> Anyway, here it is in its full glory...
>
> Diet (per day)
>
> 1.5 cups rice
> 1 spoon margarine
> 10 grams raw bran
> 1/2 cup soya bean
> 1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING
How long are you planning to stay on this diet? And how much time
and effort (if any) can you put into preparation?
I have heard that one can do very well on a diet of brown rice and
lentils, if you sprout some of the lentils. The sprouts provide vitamin
C. Obviously this wouldn't work if you didn't have time to grow
the sprouts, but if you do, it's very cheap and will probably sustain
health (not just life) for quite a while. Vitamin pills are expensive.
Rice and lentils provide fiber along with other nutrients, so you don't need
to spend money on plain bran, which is not that nutrient-dense.
They also taste a lot better than bran and margarine (yech).
--
Stella Hackell ste...@ncal.verio.com
She who succeeds in gaining the mastery of the bicycle will gain the
mastery of life.
--Frances E. Willard, _How I Learned to Ride the Bicycle_
gargoylle
I've heard that one can live on avocado's. Does anyone know if this is
true?
TOM BEAN
"Paul Edwards" <kerr...@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote in message
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> Many years ago I asked someone who had done biology (I managed
> to skip it at high school) to give me a diet consisting of the cheapest
> food necessary to sustain "healthy" life, ie I didn't want to be one of
> these people who ate carrots all their life and died at 30.
>
> After much arm-twisting, I got it from him, with the caveat "don't blame
> me if you die of scurvey".
>
> Anyway, here it is in its full glory...
>
> Diet (per day)
>
> 1.5 cups rice
> 1 spoon margarine
> 10 grams raw bran
> 1/2 cup soya bean
> 1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING
>
> I actually tried this for a few days at one stage but I got sick. I'm
sure
> that that was a coincidence, but the other thing I discovered was that
> this was completely unpalatable.
>
> I'm a big fan of Indian cooking, and basically I have found that I can
> eat rice by itself if you mix it with curry sauce. Normally I am a
> big fan of meat & rice, no vegetables. I try not to eat anything that
> didn't have parents.
>
> So, as a near-carnivore, this diet is the exact opposite of what I want
> to eat. However, I am keen to find out if this diet works or not. So
> I have two questions:
>
> 1. Does anyone see anything lacking in this diet from a technical
> point of view?
>
> 2. Can someone suggest a method of cooking this food, especially
> that involves putting a large dose of Thai chilli sauce (or something
> similar), so that my mouth is burnt out when I'm eating it, so that I
> don't notice the putrid taste and thus don't care and can continue
> eating the "food". Artificial flavouring or anything else, I just want
> to keep it down and keep it up. I also like the taste of lollies (aka
> sweets/candy), I don't know if artificial flavouring has the ability
> to make any old crap taste like sugar/chocolate etc.
>
The Trinker
>Thanks everyone for the very interesting answers!
>
>> How long are you planning to stay on this diet?
>
>scientifically possible to do forever.
Why exactly do you want to do this?
I mean, why bother to cook anything at all if...
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> How long are you planning to stay on this diet?
Well I would like to do it for a month, but I want it to be
scientifically possible to do forever.
> And how much time
> and effort (if any) can you put into preparation?
I'd prefer to keep that to a minimum. I had visions of boiling it
all together then adding pepper so it presumably tasted like
pepper.
> I have heard that one can do very well on a diet of brown rice and
> lentils, if you sprout some of the lentils. The sprouts provide vitamin
> C.
Well, if that's all that's required I'll just get vitamin C tablets. I
don't
mind my diet being more expensive than the theoretical minimum, so
long as the science is ok. E.g. even if I can buy a sack of low grade
soya beans used for pig food, I have no intention of doing anything
other than going to my local supermarket and buying a small packet
of soya beans. But I can do pricing based on the sack. So long as
the sack is safe for human consumption, anyway.
> Obviously this wouldn't work if you didn't have time to grow
> the sprouts, but if you do, it's very cheap and will probably sustain
> health (not just life) for quite a while. Vitamin pills are expensive.
> Rice and lentils provide fiber along with other nutrients, so you don't
need
> to spend money on plain bran, which is not that nutrient-dense.
> They also taste a lot better than bran and margarine (yech).
I once ate a spoon of margarine, straight, to prove that it could be
done. But the amount of margarine is so small that I expect it would
be lost in the mix. The bran was a problem though, I could still taste
it with the rice. It really was an awful concoction.
Anyway, next step is to check out the prices of the alternative
wheat-based diet, and then find out how to cook.
BFN. Paul.
Dan Abel
Edwards" <kerr...@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the very interesting answers!
>
> > How long are you planning to stay on this diet?
>
> Well I would like to do it for a month, but I want it to be
> scientifically possible to do forever.
This is an interesting project (but not one I'd like to try myself).
Although it is certainly possible to reduce food expenditures
considerably, other costs make the actual cost of the ingredients not very
significant. For instance, a mistake that puts you in the hospital for a
week will end up costing you a lot more than several years worth of
savings.
A month's trial isn't going to tell you a lot. The body stores many
nutrients, and can manufacture others if not present in your food. A
person can go without food entirely for some time. A simple supply of
basic nutrients will keep you going for a long time. As an example, the
average person stores 90 days worth of Vitamin C and several years worth
of Vitamin B12. These are both essential vitamins, but your month test
will not stress your body at all for these vitamins.
I spent some of my vacation recently with a lot of animals. Talk about a
boring diet! Those poor things at the same thing, day in and day out.
The horses ate nothing (that I saw) but hay! These animals live long and
healthy lives with almost no variety in their diet. I enjoy my food too
much to even consider it, but I suspect that a diet of canned dog food
would be both cheap, convenient and healthy.
--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS
ab...@sonoma.edu
http://www.sonoma.edu/IT/AIS/people/Abel.html
C. J. Fuller
>news:AKT85.8817$Tb7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Many years ago I asked someone who had done biology (I managed
>> to skip it at high school) to give me a diet consisting of the cheapest
>> food necessary to sustain "healthy" life, ie I didn't want to be one of
>> these people who ate carrots all their life and died at 30.
>>
>> After much arm-twisting, I got it from him, with the caveat "don't blame
>> me if you die of scurvey".
>>
>> Anyway, here it is in its full glory...
>>
>> Diet (per day)
>>
>> 1.5 cups rice
>> 1 spoon margarine
>> 10 grams raw bran
>> 1/2 cup soya bean
>> 1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING
This diet has been eating at me (so to speak) for several days, so I got
out my trusty copy of Bowes and Church's Food Values of Portions Commonly
Used, 17th ed., for help.
1. As another poster mentioned, this diet is woefully inadequate in
minerals, particularly calcium and magnesium. Because of the large
amounts of these minerals you need, these get short shrift in supplements,
unless you take separate pills. And the calcium supplements, unless you
use the chewable chocolate ones, are horse pills. You'd also be very low
on potassium. Bran has a little, but not much. Potassium pills are
usually not available except under prescription. I suppose you could use
salt substitute instead of salt, but many folks find that it has a nasty
aftertaste. (see #5)
2. Surprisingly, this diet is also short on fiber. Don't assume that 10
g of raw bran = 10 g fiber. Even if you used brown rice, you wouldn't be
near the 20-30 g/day recommended.
3. Essential fatty acids. The soybeans and margarine might meet your
linoleic (omega-6) acid needs, but they won't touch the linolenic
(omega-3) requirement. You might want to pop a fish oil capsule or two
for that if you're serious about this.
4. It's also very low in phytochemicals, compounds that are contained in
foods that may have beneficial effects on health. I'm talking about
carotenoids other than beta-carotene (many vitamin companies use
beta-carotene as part of the vitamin A content of the tablets) and
flavonoids. Soybeans have some flavonoids in them that are actively being
researched as having some weak estrogenic activity, but other foods have
different ones that also may be beneficial.
5. As you've noticed, this diet is downright unpalatable and boring. I
would be hardpressed to find any of my nutrition colleagues who'd come
near this unless they were on the Survivor TV show and had a million bucks
at stake (although rats would definitely look good after a few weeks of
this). There's a life extension guy who posts on sci.medicine.nutrition
who doesn't even eat this way. He does, however, consume handfuls of
supplements that his company conveniently sells.
My advice--eat foods that you like to eat that are also nutrient-dense.
Fruits, vegetables, whole grains, dairy, fish, meat. Use fats and sweets
in modest amounts. Get your nutrients predominantly from food rather than
pills. You may not live quite as long as you might have on this spartan
regimen, but the quality of life will be much higher.
Cindy
--
C.J. Fuller
<mailto:cjfu...@erickson.uncg.edu>
<mailto:cjfu...@mindspring.com>
Tony Ning Lew
"Paul Edwards" <kerr...@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote:
>Many years ago I asked someone who had done biology (I managed
>to skip it at high school) to give me a diet consisting of the cheapest
>food necessary to sustain "healthy" life, ie I didn't want to be one of
>these people who ate carrots all their life and died at 30.
>
>After much arm-twisting, I got it from him, with the caveat "don't blame
>me if you die of scurvey".
>
>Anyway, here it is in its full glory...
>
>Diet (per day)
>
>1.5 cups rice
>1 spoon margarine
>10 grams raw bran
>1/2 cup soya bean
>1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING
>
>I actually tried this for a few days at one stage but I got sick. I'm sure
>that that was a coincidence, but the other thing I discovered was that
>this was completely unpalatable.
>
Funny, this doesn't take into account body size at all. Are we to assume
a 200 lb person and a 100 lb person need the exact same amount of food?
Calories Protein
Rice (raw) 1000 20
Marj (1 TB) 100 0
Soy (uncooked) 190 17
Total: 1290 37
This is enough calories only for a very small person, and enough protein only
for someone who weighs about 100 lb or less.
Marca
>This diet has been eating at me (so to speak) for several days,
so I got
>out my trusty copy of Bowes and Church's Food Values of Portions
Commonly
>Used, 17th ed., for help.
>
>1. As another poster mentioned, this diet is woefully inadequate
in
>minerals, particularly calcium and magnesium.
snippola.
A few weeks ago, a famous British nutritionist lady, whose name
now escapes me, died, and I saw her obituary in the paper. She
was famous for devising a nutritionally complete diet that
Britons could obtain easily and eat during the postwar period of
food rationing. I forget all the details (except that it sounded
pretty weird), but one thing I do remember is that she
recommended the addition of chalk to bread to meet dietary
calcium requirements!
So toss a little chalk into that yummy mix...yech!
Marca
PENMART10
>
>>Many years ago I asked someone who had done biology (I managed
>>to skip it at high school) to give me a diet consisting of the cheapest
>>food necessary to sustain "healthy" life
Bugs.
Sheldon
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"I try to keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out."
Kate L Pugh
>> [...] a diet consisting of the cheapest food necessary to sustain
>> "healthy" life[...] (per day)
>> 1.5 cups rice [,] 1 spoon margarine [,] 10 grams raw bran
>> 1/2 cup soya bean [,] 1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING
and Tony Ning Lew <kol...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Total: 1290 37
>
> This is enough calories only for a very small person, and enough
> protein only for someone who weighs about 100 lb or less.
Add some unsweetened peanut butter (cheap in large quantities - I pay 7 quid
for 3 kg, which is a small bucketfull - it'd last you at least 3 months,
probably), some split lentils and an onion. Swap the margarine for a cheap
vegetable oil. Increase the quantity of rice.
Chop the onion and fry it in the oil until well-browned. Add the split
lentils and simmer until well-cooked. Cook the rice separately and mix in
towards the end of the lentil cooking time. Mix in the peanut butter (and
bran if it really is necessary) and serve.
Cook the soya beans separately, adding salt to the water once they're cooked
and simmering for 5 minutes more to flavour them. Roast in the oven until
crunchy and eat as a snack.
I haven't done the maths on this. Note also that as at least one other
person has pointed out, the cheapest foods depend on where you are.
Kake
Dan Abel
Edwards" <kerr...@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote:
> Anyway, here it is in its full glory...
>
> Diet (per day)
>
> 1.5 cups rice
> 1 spoon margarine
> 10 grams raw bran
> 1/2 cup soya bean
> 1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING
You can use some different tools to help compute nutritional value. Some
are easier than others. One I use is:
http://spectre.ag.uiuc.edu/~food-lab/nat/
I tried inputting the above diet, leaving out the vitamins:
Nutrient Analysis Tool - Analyze Food
Nutri Total Rec. %Rec.
-----------+--------+------+------
Calories 1520.26 2900 52.42%
Pro (g) 55.41 63 87.95%
Fat (g) 32.49 96.67 33.61%
Carb (g) 255.64 -- --
Fiber (g) 13.78 -- --
Cal (mg) 344.92 800 43.12%
Iron (mg) 17.36 10 173.6%
Na (mg) 149.08 2000 7.45%
Pot (mg) 2051.19 -- --
Phos (mg) 1048.76 800 131.1%
Ash (g) 6.79 -- --
vitA (IU) 488.61 5000 9.77%
vitC (mg) 5.61 60 9.35%
Thia (mg) 1.12 1.5 74.67%
Ribo (mg) 0.98 1.7 57.65%
Nia (mg) 6.02 19 31.68%
H2O % 10.6 -- --
satF (g) 5.54 32.22 17.19%
monoF (g) 9.96 32.22 30.91%
polyF (g) 14.83 32.22 46.03%
Chol (mg) 0 300 0%
Food 1-SOYBEANS-RAW (16108)-0.5:1 CUP
Food 2-OAT BRAN-RAW (20033)-10:1 g
Food 3-MARG-HRD-UNSP-W/SALT (04132)-1:1 tbsp
Food 4-RICE-WHITE-RAW-UNENR (20444)-1.5:1 c
Nutri Food 1 Food 2 Food 3 Food 4
-----------+--------+--------+--------+--------
Calories 386.88 24.6 101.38 1007.4
Pro (g) 33.95 1.73 0.13 19.6
Fat (g) 18.51 0.7 11.35 1.93
Carb (g) 28.09 6.62 0.13 220.8
Fiber (g) 8.65 1.54 0 3.59
Cal (mg) 257.61 5.8 4.23 77.28
Iron (mg) 14.60 0.54 0.01 2.21
Na (mg) 1.86 0.4 133.02 13.8
Pot (mg) 1671.21 56.6 5.98 317.4
Phos (mg) 654.72 73.4 3.24 317.4
Ash (g) 4.56 0.29 0.28 1.66
vitA (IU) 22.32 0 466.29 N/A
vitC (mg) 5.58 0 0.03 0
Thia (mg) 0.81 0.12 0.00 0.19
Ribo (mg) 0.81 0.02 0.01 0.14
Nia (mg) 1.51 0.09 0.00 4.42
H2O % 8.5 6.6 15.7 11.6
satF (g) 2.68 0.13 2.23 0.5
monoF (g) 4.09 0.24 5.05 0.58
polyF (g) 10.47 0.28 3.58 0.5
Chol (mg) 0 0 0 0
Cyndi H
Humm - my first thoughts are CHOCOLATE!!
Then come steaks, avocados, tomatoes....
Of course if you're stranded somewhere and are really a "survivor" <G>
(thinking of a certain tv program) then you have to consider other fare.
Sorry - I missed the original thread and am probably way off course....
(HAH! I made a funny and wasn't even trying...."a three hour tour... the
weather started..." ) Again, apologies....Cyndi
Tony Ning Lew
ab...@sonoma.edu (Dan Abel) wrote:
>In article <AKT85.8817$Tb7....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Paul
>Edwards" <kerr...@nosppaam.w3.to> wrote:
>
>
>> Anyway, here it is in its full glory...
>>
>> Diet (per day)
>>
>> 1.5 cups rice
>> 1 spoon margarine
>> 10 grams raw bran
>> 1/2 cup soya bean
>> 1 vitamin tablet that has EVERYTHING
>
>
>You can use some different tools to help compute nutritional value. Some
>are easier than others. One I use is:
Required for whom? Hulk Hogan or Nadia Comeneci?
I think Nadia would get fat if she ate 2900 calories a day.
The Hulkster would probably lose weight.
Dan Abel
<kol...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> In article <abel-10070...@ssu-64en176.sonoma.edu>,
> ab...@sonoma.edu (Dan Abel) wrote:
> >You can use some different tools to help compute nutritional value. Some
> >are easier than others. One I use is:
>
> Required for whom? Hulk Hogan or Nadia Comeneci?
> I think Nadia would get fat if she ate 2900 calories a day.
> The Hulkster would probably lose weight.
>
> >
> >
> >http://spectre.ag.uiuc.edu/~food-lab/nat/
You should try visiting the web site. I believe it has a section on
helping you find out how many calories you require. Keep in mind that
*all* of these programs make a whole lot of assumptions about what an
*average* person needs. What I quoted before (and snipped here) may well
apply to a 50 year old male (that's me). It did ask my age and sex,
although not much else about me personally. Note also that I made lots of
assumptions based on insufficient information. The web site allows for
lots more options, like oat bran or rice bran, fortified or unfortified
rice, different ingredients for margarine, etc.