Chicago Cutlery: plz rate ++

[Kalmia]

Please rate from excellent to lousy and anywhere in between. I'm looking at a 15 piece set on ebay. Prices run in the $50s to $70s. Included 6 steak knives.
What think you? Known as the "Cosmopolitan" set.

[casa bona]

On 7/12/2013 10:53 AM, Kalmia wrote:
> Please rate from excellent to lousy and anywhere in between. I'm looking at a 15 piece set on ebay. Prices run in the $50s to $70s. Included 6 steak knives.
> What think you? Known as the "Cosmopolitan" set.
>

Couldn't even find that name on Ebay, insignia and metropolitan yes, no
cosmopolitan.

At that price, caveat emptor.

Amazon's ratings were generally 4 star on even their cheap sets, so who
knows?

Does this one float your boat?

http://www.amazon.com/Chicago-Cutlery-Belden-15-Piece-Block/dp/B0099P4NJ6/ref=pd_sbs_hg_53

[Kalmia]

On Friday, July 12, 2013 1:04:57 PM UTC-4, casa bona wrote:

>
> Does this one float your boat?
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Chicago-Cutlery-Belden-15-Piece-Block/dp/B0099P4NJ6/ref=pd_sbs_hg_53

Depends on how ppl here rate CC on the whole.

[Janet Wilder]

I like their steak knives. Their big knives are not so good.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

[Helpful person]

On Friday, July 12, 2013 12:53:23 PM UTC-4, Kalmia wrote:
> Please rate from excellent to lousy and anywhere in between. I'm looking at a 15 piece set on ebay. Prices run in the $50s to $70s. Included 6 steak knives.
>
> What think you? Known as the "Cosmopolitan" set.

Chicago cutlery is very poor quality. You considering buying it suggests that it would be wise to invest in a class on knife skills. This would be money and time well invested.

I also suggest that you go into a kitchen shop and ask to try their knives. Many good shops will allow this and have a cutting board and a few vegetables handy. You can then directly compare a cheap knife to an expensive knife.

There are very few knives that you actually use in a kitchen. Although I have more than most, the essentials are a paring knife, chef's knife, boning knife and a cleaver. These will cover just about everything you need to do.

I make do with what I consider to be fairly ordinary knives made by Trident Wusthoff. In my opinion, considering I will keep them for many years, they are a good compromise between quality and cost.

http://www.richardfisher.com

[Janet Bostwick]

I've had my Chicago Cutlery Walnut Tradition knives since the early
80s maybe late 70s. At that time, I had to pay way more than they cost
now. At that time the wood handles were finer made. Anyway, I like
my old knives, but in looking at the new CC, I would shop around for
something else.
Janet US

[casa bona]

Sure.

If you browse around Amazon you'll find other sets with more than one
rating review, though to me the construction and handles on that one
looked very ergonomic.

I am using at present a set of Chicago Cutlery wood handled paring
knives which I purchased at BB&Y 10 years ago with no complaints and no
intention of retiring them any time soon.

The steel is quality, sharpens and holds and edge well, and the price
was right.

Half way through this experience I was given a set of all metal hollow
grip CC steak knives to replace these. I found the weighting to be
terrible, the handle useless, and they garage sale-d away.

I can't speak to their larger Chef's knives as I prefer Henckels in that
realm.

[casa bona]

I'm going to have to disagree on the "very poor quality" review.

My CC wood handle paring knives are a decade in with no complaints.

I wouldn't buy their chef's knives, but for paring or steak knives I
have been pleased.

[notbob]

On 2013-07-12, Janet Wilder <kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Depends on how ppl here rate CC on the whole.

My CC carbon steel butcher knife had no problem effortlessly relieving
me of the tip of my left index finger. Don't drink and dice! ;)

nb

[casa bona]

On 7/12/2013 11:29 AM, Janet Wilder wrote:
> On 7/12/2013 12:17 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>> On Friday, July 12, 2013 1:04:57 PM UTC-4, casa bona wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Does this one float your boat?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Chicago-Cutlery-Belden-15-Piece-Block/dp/B0099P4NJ6/ref=pd_sbs_hg_53
>>>
>>
>> Depends on how ppl here rate CC on the whole.
>>
>
> I like their steak knives. Their big knives are not so good.
>

I think that is likely a reasonable take.

I'd mix and match from open stock, and buy what fits your hand best.

I like a rounder more ergonomic handle, so Henckel works well, and their
lower cost series which are made in Spain are very nice knives in their
own right.

Wusthoff has a harder edge handle, not to my liking.

I've been tempted by close-out sales to try a Ceramic chef's knife, but
still remain cautious.

I'm not even sure how one sharpens one, certainly not with a wet stone I
bet.

[sf]

On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 09:53:23 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
<tween...@mypacks.net> wrote:

Have you seen the ATK segment on knife sets?
http://www.cooksillustrated.com/equipment/overview.asp?docid=32203
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQI3T6xAnoQ
The short version is you're better off buying knives ala carte.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

[Helpful person]

On Friday, July 12, 2013 1:38:30 PM UTC-4, casa bona wrote:
>
> >
>
> I'm going to have to disagree on the "very poor quality" review.
>
>
>
> My CC wood handle paring knives are a decade in with no complaints.
>
>
>
> I wouldn't buy their chef's knives, but for paring or steak knives I
>
> have been pleased.

It's true that paring knives are different. I find that the way they fit in the hand (personal preference) is more important than the blade quality.

http://www.richardfisher.com

[casa bona]

That's precisely my feeling as well, your hand is doing the cutting,
make it a good fit and avoid any accidents.

[Nunya Bidnits]

I have several Chicago pieces but they are all older, at least 25 years,
maybe more. All Chicago pieces I have ever seen are stamped, which usually
is lower quality. Most of them are hollow ground. If the knife material and
manufacture is of sufficient quality, stamped knives can be quite
serviceable, up to outstanding (Shun, for example).

My older Chicagos are made from a very nice steel that holds edge well and
picks up rolled edges very nicely when steeled. They aren't as nicely
balanced as my Henckels forged knives or my Shun, obviously, but they are
quite serviceable. And I can tell it is softer steel than my forged knives,
because steeling or touch-up sharpening takes more passes on the forged than
stamped to get the same result.

Stamped knives get a bad name but if you look around a restaurant supply
house or commercial kitchen, you will see a whole lot of stamped Dexters and
so forth. My NSF white plastic handled Dexter slicer is as sharp as my Shun
and can handle taking slices off very large cuts with ease. So the fact that
they are stamped is not in itself a reason not to buy them.

The handles have held up quite well. Some of them spent a lot of time in
the dishwasher thanks to my ex, and are still quite solid.

I can't comment on their newer products. In particular I don't know if they
have changed the quality of the steel over the years. But if things are
close to the same, I would call them quite serviceable if you keep up the
maintenance with routine steeling. Just don't expect the same results that
you would if buying forged knives.

MartyB

[Janet Bostwick]

I love my big CC chef's knife. It's my workhorse. Also love my
utility knife and filet knife.
Janet US

[pltrgyst]

On 7/12/13 12:53 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> Please rate from excellent to lousy and anywhere in between. I'm looking at a 15 piece set on ebay. Prices run in the $50s to $70s. Included 6 steak knives.
> What think you? Known as the "Cosmopolitan" set.

A step above Cutco.

-- Larry

[Nancy2]

I have not ever had a Chicago knife that I thought was worth the money, little enough that it is. I paid over $70 for one of my Henckels knives, and it was/is well worth the money. I think "cheap" when I see Chicago Cutlery, sorry.

You should pick out your knives one by one, regardless of who made them, based on comfort and quality--not by the set. YMMV.

N.

[Nancy2]

My Cutco from the 50's are as good as any Henckels and much better than CC. I don't know what the newer ones are like.

N.

[bigwheel]

Dont think we could afford that brand but my Mama could make an Old
Hickory butcher knife walk and talk. If there is something she could not
make it do..I aint figgered out what yet. Now trusting this is the
regular old timey low carbon stuff? If not..I take all this back. If you
want some fancy SS items Forschner/Victorinox is the only way to fly.
Its made by yumppin yimmines in Sweden. They make much better knives
than us..or the krauts...or the Christian Slave laborers in Red China.
Keep us posted about this. Thanks. Let me know if you need a link to buy
some.




--
bigwheel

[Don Martinich]

In article <1a6f6fca-193b-4c75...@googlegroups.com>,

I received an inexpensive CC santoku for xmas one year and it has become
my favorite 'chef's' knife. It takes and holds an edge very well. I am
usually cooking for just one so we are not talking restaurant work
conditions. When I was working in restaurants, Victorinox was very
popular and held up very well.

D.M.

[Janet Wilder]

I don't care how highly rated a knife is, it has to feel comfortable in
my hand or I won't use it.

[notbob]

On 2013-07-12, Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My Cutco from the 50's are as good as any Henckels and much better than CC. I don't know what the newer ones are like.

The fact that yer too stupid to use a newsreader that properly word
wraps yer articles sez all that's needed about your opinion on knives.

nb

[notbob]

On 2013-07-13, Janet Wilder <kellie...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I don't care how highly rated a knife is, it has to feel comfortable in
> my hand or I won't use it.

I'm with you 100%, Janet.

Some knives are so bizarre as to be totally useless to me. I once
paid big bucks for a Global. I don't recall how or why I bought it,
but upon use, discovered it was totally unusable. Handle was an
isoscles tringle, the narrow vertices at the top. It was like some
sorta self-inflicted torture device. I finally gave it away, but not
before discovering the spot welds holding the blade to handle will
rust if left in dishwater.

Weird knife.

nb

[Brooklyn1]

I own one piece of Chicago Cutlery a walnut handled boning knife, it's
my go-to letter opener, its blade doesn't take/hold a sharp edge.
Someone gave it to me like thirty years ago, I like the handle but the
blade sucks. None of my kitchen knives match exept that I have two
different sets of steak knives, one I rarely use (Samurai, my brother
brought me from Japan), my everyday steak knives are a set of four
(Sabatier). WTF does anyone need 15 kitchen knives, are you planning
on becoming a serial slasher? Anyone who buys knives/cookware as a
*set* needs to be examined by a psychiatrist... are you afflicted with
obsessive compulsive disorder... do you own 15 bras all the same?

[Nunya Bidnits]

Helpful person <rrl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There are very few knives that you actually use in a kitchen.
> Although I have more than most, the essentials are a paring knife,
> chef's knife, boning knife and a cleaver. These will cover just
> about everything you need to do.

Many cooks and chefs also insist on a utility knife. Jacques Pepin is the
master of this type of knife.

Anyone who often cuts slices from large pieces of meat can also benefit from
a good slicer.

MartyB

[Nunya Bidnits]

Brooklyn1 <grave...@verizon.net> wrote:
> WTF does anyone need 15 kitchen knives, are you planning
> on becoming a serial slasher?

Dexter!

[S Viemeister]

And those of us who bake bread, need a good bread knife.

[Nancy2]

Did I shoot a personal insult to you? I don't think so, so what's your problem?

My ISP does not support newsreaders. Bite me.

When I view my posts, they wrap just fine.

N.

[sf]

I think you mean your ISP doesn't supply usenet anymore, but there are
plenty of free usenet providers and others that you can buy a block
from. I bought 25GB for $10 a few years ago from astraweb.com and
still have 23.76 GB left, so it's cost effective AFAIC.

[Nancy2]

What I mean, is, my ISP (CenturyLink - there are only two available in my area, and the other is the awful cable company) does not provide access to any newsreader, whether at a price or not. At one time, I tried to use another kind of service - can't remember the name, but I think it was September-whatever - and it didn't show all the newsgroups, so I didn't pursue it further. If people can't manage to make their view behave in line length, I don't know what I can do about it.

If it upsets nasty people like notbob, he can killfile me, with my blessing. As I type this, the line length is perfect.

N.

[notbob]

On 2013-07-13, Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Did I shoot a personal insult to you?

Who are you responding to? I can only guess it's me, cuz you
obviously don't know how newgroups work.

> My ISP does not support newsreaders. Bite me.

Someone does, or you couldn't post a reply. As fer biting you, I
might if yer cooter is not too far gone. ;)

nb

[notbob]

On 2013-07-13, Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If it upsets nasty people like notbob, he can killfile me.....

I'm not sure why you are NOT KF'd, as I have all GG crap KF'd as per
the late great blinky the shark. You post via Goober Goons and yer
lines don't wrap and they don't include quoted text. In short, you
are doing everything wrong. I got nothing against what you post, only
how you post. Learn how usenet works or take a freakin' hike!

nb

[sf]

On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 13:49:23 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2

<ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:38:17 PM UTC-5, sf wrote:
> > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 10:22:54 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> >
> > <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Did I shoot a personal insult to you? I don't think so, so what's your problem?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > My ISP does not support newsreaders. Bite me.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > When I view my posts, they wrap just fine.
> >
> > >
> >
> > I think you mean your ISP doesn't supply usenet anymore, but there are
> >
> > plenty of free usenet providers and others that you can buy a block
> >
> > from. I bought 25GB for $10 a few years ago from astraweb.com and
> >
> > still have 23.76 GB left, so it's cost effective AFAIC.
> >
> >
>
> What I mean, is, my ISP (CenturyLink - there are only two available in my area, and the other is the awful cable company) does not provide access to any newsreader, whether at a price or not.

IME, no ISP I've come across has offered a built in newsreader along
with news group access since Pipeline and Earthlink merged. No ISP
offers a news reader and none of them bundle usenet access with their
internet service anymore.

> At one time, I tried to use another kind of service - can't remember the name, but I think it was September-whatever - and it didn't show all the newsgroups, so I didn't pursue it further.

Usenet access has to be handled separately via a usenet provider like
Eternal-September (free, text groups only) or Giganews (pay, text and
binary groups). If you would like to use a real news reader that's
also free, one of them is an add on to Firefox called Thunderbird.
Jill uses it and after some initial configuration problems, seems to
be doing fine. http://www.sff.net/help/setup/tbirdnews.asp The only
information you'll need from your ISP is what to enter as inbound and
outbound email information.
http://qwest.centurylink.com/internethelp/email-server-settings.html

> If people can't manage to make their view behave in line length, I don't know what I can do about it.
>
> If it upsets nasty people like notbob, he can killfile me, with my blessing. As I type this, the line length is perfect.
>

That's because text automatically wraps to your screen. Fortunately,
that's what your post is doing with me too - but some GG users are one
unbroken line that goes forever off-screen for me and I have to hit
reply just to read what they're trying to say. Apparently that's how
you're appearing to NB. I have no idea why some GG posts don't wrap
and others do, because I don't change my settings. That's just the
way it is.

If you're interested in the slightest at giving a usenet provider
another shot, you can check to see if Astraweb carries the newsgroups
you want to read. They make it very easy to do and apparently you can
also request that they carry whatever it is you don't see.
http://www.news.astraweb.com/index.html If you decide to take the
plunge, $10 for 25GB won't break the bank, you're not stuck with
monthly payments and you have the block until you use it up - no
matter how long it takes... days, months or even years (which is a
sweet deal for light users).

[Nancy2]

I am still using Google Groups on this iPad, notbob, so, no, my ISP does not allow me to use a regular newsreader.

The iPad doesn't have quote options under the Groups heading that I can find. I also find nothing in the way of "tools" in Google Groups on the iPad. When I am on my laptop, I can quote parts of posts.

N.

[dsi1]

try switching to the desktop interface

[notbob]

On 2013-07-14, Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am still using Google Groups....

Whatever floats yer boat. Toodles.....

nb

[Nancy2]

I don't know what that means. (I'm on my laptop now - are the line lengths o.k.?)

N.

[Nancy2]

> IME, no ISP I've come across has offered a built in newsreader along

I wasn't asking for a built-in newsreader. I asked CL for information to fill in so I could use Agent. They said they don't support newsreaders.

> information you'll need from your ISP is what to enter as inbound and
>
> outbound email information.
>
> http://qwest.centurylink.com/internethelp/email-server-settings.html

>

> If you're interested in the slightest at giving a usenet provider
>
> another shot, you can check to see if Astraweb carries the newsgroups
>
> you want to read. They make it very easy to do and apparently you can
>
> also request that they carry whatever it is you don't see.
>
> http://www.news.astraweb.com/index.html If you decide to take the
>
> plunge, $10 for 25GB won't break the bank, you're not stuck with
>
> monthly payments and you have the block until you use it up - no
>
> matter how long it takes... days, months or even years (which is a
>
> sweet deal for light users).

It isn't the cost - I wanted to buy Agent. It's the fact that I can't fill in the technical stuff because CenturyLink won't tell me how to install a newsreader, saying they don't support newsreaders. According to the link you sent, they do. Maybe the chat person I had didn't know what I was asking. Anyway, I'll pursue it when I'm totally bored and feel like spending a half day on it. Thanks.

Meanwhile, I will continue to use GG and hope that posters like nb just KF me.

N.

[Janet Bostwick]

I'm dumb as a post as far as computer stuff goes --really, but
Did you already download the free trial of Agent to your computer?
There isn't a lot of 'technical stuff'. It's been a long time since I
installed Agent, but I'll bet anything that what I did was fill in the
stuff that I knew and then called my ISP and asked for the answer to
the specific question(s) on the installation. Most(all) ISP techs --
as well as friends and neighbors -- don't have a clue what a
newsreader or newsgroup is so you will get negative answers.. I don't
know if I helped, but good luck, you can do it. Wait until you are
not feeling harried and try again. Good luck.
Janet US

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 05:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
<ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:



>
>It isn't the cost - I wanted to buy Agent. It's the fact that I can't fill in the technical stuff because CenturyLink won't tell me how to install a newsreader, saying they don't support newsreaders. According to the link you sent, they do. Maybe the chat person I had didn't know what I was asking. Anyway, I'll pursue it when I'm totally bored and feel like spending a half day on it. Thanks.
>
>Meanwhile, I will continue to use GG and hope that posters like nb just KF me.
>
>N.

You don't need your ISP to install Agent. Download it. Install it,
the do the simple setup.

You need a news provider. Free like eternal-september or a pay like
Giganews for $3 a month. Fill in the server name and a couple of
things and off you go.

[Nancy2]

Thanks, Ed, it's " filling in a couple of things" that stopped me, because CenturyLink wouldn't give me the info I needed, thinking, I guess, that I was asking about a newsreader that was included in their wi-fi service, not one I wanted to pay for and install. I'll get around to it when I feel like it. I'm tired of the whole topic now.

N.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 07:59:03 -0600, Janet Bostwick
<nos...@cableone.net> wrote:



>>> If you're interested in the slightest at giving a usenet provider
>>>
>>> another shot, you can check to see if Astraweb carries the newsgroups
>>>
>>> you want to read. They make it very easy to do and apparently you can
>>>
>>> also request that they carry whatever it is you don't see.
>>>
>>> http://www.news.astraweb.com/index.html If you decide to take the
>>>
>>> plunge, $10 for 25GB won't break the bank,

>I'm dumb as a post as far as computer stuff goes --really, but
>Did you already download the free trial of Agent to your computer?
>There isn't a lot of 'technical stuff'. It's been a long time since I
>installed Agent, but I'll bet anything that what I did was fill in the
>stuff that I knew and then called my ISP and asked for the answer to
>the specific question(s) on the installation. Most(all) ISP techs --
>as well as friends and neighbors -- don't have a clue what a
>newsreader or newsgroup is so you will get negative answers.. I don't
>know if I helped, but good luck, you can do it. Wait until you are
>not feeling harried and try again. Good luck.
>Janet US

Both Forte Agent) and Giganews have tech support people that will help
you. You can also ask here and you won't get too beat up for being
off topic.

[Pico Rico]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
news:c9g5u85k4btrdga04...@4ax.com...

what munchies can you recommend for when you are setting up computers and
newsreaders, etc?

[Yeff]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:42:33 -0700, Pico Rico wrote:

> what munchies can you recommend for when you are setting up computers and
> newsreaders, etc?

Mountain Dew and Pringles.

The Mountain Dew has caffeine without being as horrible as an energy
drink. Use the Pringles can to extend your wifi with a "cantenna":
<http://www.binarywolf.com/249/pringles_cantenna.htm>

--

-Jeff B.
zoo...@fastmail.fm

"Excuse me.
I don't mean to impose,
but I am the Ocean."

~ The Salton Sea

[Ed Pawlowski]

The big ISP's got rid of newsgroups a couple of years back. Some
people sought out other sources, many just stopped posting not knowing
what to do. At least you stuck with it.

One day when you have the time you can do it a step at time. Download
and install the reader, then go to the setup. Long term, you'll be
glad you did.

[sf]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 05:59:57 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
<ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It isn't the cost - I wanted to buy Agent. It's the fact that I can't fill in the technical stuff because CenturyLink won't tell me how to install a newsreader, saying they don't support newsreaders. According to the link you sent, they do. Maybe the chat person I had didn't know what I was asking. Anyway, I'll pursue it when I'm totally bored and feel like spending a half day on it. Thanks.

You will still need a separate news group provider, either for pay or
for free. APN is low cost, but not very good. I used it for a few
years, but finally gave up on it.

>
> Meanwhile, I will continue to use GG and hope that posters like nb just KF me.
>

If it's not in their script, it doesn't exist. What you have to do is
start talking to them as if it's an email program, because the
information is the same... ask them if they support Outlook and the
answer should be yes. The only part that's different is where you
fill in the name of your usenet news server, which is something they
won't know anyway.

Did you know there's a Forte Agent news group? They're very helpful
and don't mind answering beginner questions.

alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent

The other option is Google. I'm always amazed by how many basic
support questions it can answer. For instance, type in "SMTP for
centurylink" and see what pops up.

[Nunya Bidnits]

Buy a steel when you do. Proper knife maintenance helps maintain an edge, so
your newsreader can be especially sharp.

[Janet Bostwick]

that's true about the tech support and it is generally very quick.
Janet US

[Janet Bostwick]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:42:33 -0700, "Pico Rico"

I don't do munchies, I go for Kahlua. My husband knows if the Kahlua
is out, he should be out too.
Janet US

[Ophelia]

"Janet Bostwick" <nos...@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:3nn5u890onpahbd8h...@4ax.com...

lol
--
--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

[Victor Sack]

Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wasn't asking for a built-in newsreader. I asked CL for information to
> fill in so I could use Agent. They said they don't support newsreaders.

Nancy, you happen to be completely and utterly clueless. Just own up -
and some people will actually want to help instead of just killfiling
you, as you surely deserve - because your posts are hardly readable.

Your ISP no longer has anything to do with your Usenet access. You will
have to find your own newsserver, which is a different thing from your
newsreader - which you will also have to find on your own.

You seem to want Agent, which you used to use before, if I remember
correctly. Very good - buy it and install it. Now you will have to
find a newsserver, in other words, a Usenet access provider. There are
some such out there, some free and some requiring a payment. I have
been using Individial.net (formerly CIS-DFN) for many years. It costs
10 euros (ca. $13) a year. It is surely the best-maintained and most
reliable newsserver of them all, but it does not offer binary newsgroups
- which is a GOOD thing. What it does offer, among other things, is
good illustrated instructions on how to set up many different
newsreaders to gain access. Whatever newsserver you choose, whether
Individual.net or another one, you will need just two or three things to
fill in: your newsserver address, your userid and your password (and
sometimes userid and password are one and the same), all of which you
will get from your newsserver upon registration.
All the necessary information, including instructions for the
configuration of your newsreader is here
<http://individual.net/config.php>. These instructions can be used for
any other newsserver - just replace newsserver address, userid and
password.

If you want to access Usenet also through your iPad, consider Newsguy or
Newsreader.com, both of which offer Web-based newsreaders, with Newsguy
also offering the usual NNTP access. Newsguy's Web-based newsreader,
primitive though it is, is still vastly superior to the Google Groups
one - the posts are actually readable! - and even offers a rudimentary
killfile capability.

Or.... what the hell... just save up a few pennies, buy some candy and
bribe a five-year-old to set you up with Usenet!

ObFood: Foie de veau Bercy, from the venerable Chez Benoit in the 4th,
in Paris. The recipe is from the times of M. Benoit. Benoit was
succeeded by Michel Petit, his grandson - that is when I was there last
- and later by Alain Ducasse, who now owns the bistro. This simple but
good recipe is from "Paris Bistro Cookery" by Alexander Watt.

Victor

Foie de veau Bercy
(serves 4)

4 thick slices of Calf's liver
1/2 cup Red Wine
6 tablespoons butter
4 shallots, finely chopped
Parsley
Flour
Salt, Pepper

Salt and pepper the slices of liver and dredge them in flour. Cook them
in 4 tablespoons of hot butter in a frying pan. Remove and keep hot on
a serving dish. Add the shallots to the pan and allow to cook gently in
the juice until they soften; they must not colour. Pour in the red wine
and reduce by one-half. Remove the pan and incorporate, bit by bit, the
rest of the butter, stirring well. Pour over the liver and serve with
small steamed potatoes.

[dsi1]

If you're using the mobile interface for Google Groups on your iPad,
quoting when replying is not allowed. Look near the bottom for a link
labeled "Desktop" and click on it to go into new GG desktop interface.
The characters will be smaller and it's not optimized for tablet
formatting but it allows quoting. My experience with GG on the iPad is
that it's pretty sluggish but I hope it works better for you.

Your line lengths are fine in my Thunderbird preview mode. In the reply
mode they run off the screen. It's not a problem for me, other folks
will pitch a fit.

These days it's not a good idea to assume people are able to use a
Windows desktop client newsreader program because a lot of folks don't
use a Microsoft OS. At home, my laptop uses Win7 but my other devices
use Android, iOS, and Chrome OSes. I use GG with these devices.

[Nancy2]

Victor,, thank you for being so disrespectful. Not. I have said many times that computer stuff is
Chinese to me. (No offense intended.). You needn't insult me by saying what I have said for years. I don't know why posters think they need to make personal attacks for no reason. Does it make you feel superior? Have at it.

I signed up with CenturyLink three or four years ago. At the time, I asked them for the information requested by Agent (addresses for in and out going mail and posts) and they said they could not give me that info, that it was not available. Maybe they didn't know what I was asking for; maybe I didn't phrase it correctly, even though I was reading directly off the screen. If their capabilities have since changed, or if something else has happened to make my comment invalid, then I didn't know about it.

Like I said, when I am no longer sick of all this crap and all the insults and attacks, perhaps I will give it another try. Maybe not. Y'all can go pick on someone else now.

N.

[Victor Sack]

Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Victor,, thank you for being so disrespectful.

Sigh. I tried to help and provided a lot of actually useful
information. I guess I won't bother anymore. Toodles-oo.

Victor

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 21:19:45 +0200, azaz...@koroviev.de (Victor Sack)
wrote:

> I have
>been using Individial.net (formerly CIS-DFN) for many years. It costs
>10 euros (ca. $13) a year. It is surely the best-maintained and most
>reliable newsserver of them all, but it does not offer binary newsgroups
>- which is a GOOD thing.

How is missing a couple of my favorite newsgroups a good thing? Yes,
I know there are a lot of trash binaries groups, but there are some
respectable groups too.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 23:58:30 +0200, azaz...@koroviev.de (Victor Sack)
wrote:

Actually, you sounded like a jackass. But that is just my opinion.

[Gorio]

'Victor Sack[_1_ Wrote:
> ;1848786']Nancy2 ellor...@gmail.com wrote:
> -

> I wasn't asking for a built-in newsreader. I asked CL for information
> to
> fill in so I could use Agent. They said they don't support

> newsreaders.-

> 'Program Configuration « News.Individual.NET'
> (http://individual.net/config.php). These instructions can be used for

Everyone is different; and some love their CC stuff, some don't. I've
had two different CC sets and didn't like either. Before you even spend
$70, try out a Kiwi knife. You just might like it and save some $. Easy
to sharpen, will keep the edge and just has the right feel for me.




--
Gorio

[notbob]

On 2013-07-14, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

> Actually, you sounded like a jackass. But that is just my opinion.

I've gotten into it with Victor, before. In fact, I thought I had him
KF'd. But, his reply to Nancy2 was pretty much on target and was no
less respectful than N2 with her flagrant disregard for other uesnet
users by using GG and not learning how to set it up. If she is now
going to try a real newsreader and practice proper newsgroup
netiquette, I say good for her and I respect her effort. I also agree
with Victor's advice. Indivual.net is the best. Hard to beat this
website for info on clients (reader software) and servers (providers).

http://www.newsreaders.com/

nb

[Ed Pawlowski]

His advice was good, but he started out with a line:

"Nancy, you happen to be completely and utterly clueless. Just own
up"

When you start out disrespectful, the rest does not matter once the
tone is set. -

[Leonard Blaisdell]

In article <858e4260-273f-4cd0...@googlegroups.com>,

Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Like I said, when I am no longer sick of all this crap and all the insults
> and attacks, perhaps I will give it another try. Maybe not. Y'all can go
> pick on someone else now.

When you originally signed up for Internet service, your provider
(CenturyLink?) provided Usenet for you. You had set up (CenturyLink?)
with your username and password as you would with any Internet provider.
You needed a username and password to access Usenet on (CenturyLink?).
Then all major ISPs including (CenturyLink?) discontinued Usenet.
Usenet went to only a few specific providers, since Usenet was a money
loser for the major ones. That meant that major ISPs discontinued their
own Usenet servers and left nearly all Usenetters in a bind as the big
boys quit Usenet one by one.
Now you need to use a different Usenet provider. They all work fine
through your current Internet provider given that you have three bits of
information. You need:
username:
password:
newsserver:
Newsserver is provided by whomever you sign up with, and it is what was
killed by your old provider when they stopped providing Usenet.
When you sign up to a new news provider such as giganews, individual.net
or eternal-september, you create a username and password and are given a
server to log into.
Username, password and newsserver are required by Agent or any other
newsreader that you might want to use. That's all that is required. They
are set in the app preferences or whatever they call it on your machine.
[sort of advanced]
When you get comfortable with Agent or whatever client you use for
Usenet, you will probably be able to post as a pseudonym such as
smokinhot or saintnancy with the touch of a mouse. I suggest that you
don't do that.
Not for you. Yeah, fellas! It's silly.

leo

[Moe DeLoughan]

On 7/12/2013 11:53 AM, Kalmia wrote:
> Please rate from excellent to lousy and anywhere in between. I'm
> looking at a 15 piece set on ebay. Prices run in the $50s to $70s.
> Included 6 steak knives. What think you? Known as the
> "Cosmopolitan" set.
>

Chicago Cutlery used to be a good brand with very good quality knives.
Then it was sold to World Kitchens (who also acquired Corning/Corelle,
Revereware, and Ecko brands). Since the acquisition, the manufacturing
moved to China and the quality went downhill. That's why Chicago
Cutlery knives and knife sets are now so much more affordable than
they used to be. I recall in the 1990s looking at a CC Walnut
Traditions steak knife set in a wood block that sold for about a
hundred bucks. A few years later I could find it for half that price.
But the knives are much thinner and cheaper quality steel now.

I'd call them middle-of-the-road. Better quality than the cheapest
no-name knife sets, but naturally not to be compared with high quality
knives like Wusthof. They don't hold an edge all that well, but if
you're willing to sharpen them regularly, they will work out just fine.

The fact that World Kitchen brands are now mostly sold in outlet shops
and Walmart should be a clue. They're targeting shoppers interested
more in low price than best quality.

[Nunya Bidnits]

Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Did I shoot a personal insult to you? I don't think so, so what's
> your problem?
>
> My ISP does not support newsreaders. Bite me.
>
> When I view my posts, they wrap just fine.
>
> N.

It's not that your ISP doesn't support newsreaders. Your ISP doesn't support
Usenet.
That means you can't get newsgroups through your ISP. So they cannot help
you configure a newsreader because they do not have a news service for you
to configure.

You need to do two things... subscribe to a newsfeed like
eternal-september.org which is free, and get a newsreader which you can then
configure to instructions which should be readily available. Mainly you will
need the address of their news server, your logon name and password, and
possibly you will have to set the port number, but you can probably skip
that.

But if you keep trying to get a newsfeed from your ISP you will just hit a
dead end.

MartyB

[Victor Sack]

Posted before:
I have to say that the very idea of posting binaries on a Usenet
newsgroup is one of the most stupid and - as it very clearly turned out
to be - counterproductive of them all. Posting a picture or any other
relatively large file to be stored on thousands of newsservers is as
inefficient a use of resources as can be imagined. Why the hell not
post it to a single point of reference, such as one's own Web site (most
everyone has some Web space now), or put it on one of the free public
picture Web sites (such as tinypic or similar), and post a link instead?

Victor

[Victor Sack]

Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

> Oaza...@koroviev.de (Victor Sack) wrote:
>
> >Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Victor,, thank you for being so disrespectful.
> >
> >Sigh. I tried to help and provided a lot of actually useful
> >information. I guess I won't bother anymore. Toodles-oo.
>

> Actually, you sounded like a jackass. But that is just my opinion.

Actually, your opinion sounds like that of a jackass to me, for obvious
reasons.

ObFood: frozen oranges. The recipe is from the most admirable "A Pike
in the Basement" by Simon Loftus.

Victor

Frozen Oranges

For each couple allow four oranges, a few cardamoms, an egg white, an
ounce of sugar and a little vodka.

Cut the tops off half the oranges, carefully scoop out the flesh and
combine with the juice of the remaining oranges. Reduce by half by
boiling with the crushed cardamoms and allow to cool. Scrape thin
slithers of zest off the unwanted oranges skins and toast quickly in a
pan. Chop into small fragments. Whip egg whites until frothy. Boil
sugar with a little water for one minute (two tablespoons per ounce
sugar), pour into egg whites and continue beating at full speed for
three minutes. Whisk in orange juice, dash of vodka, fragments of
toasted orange skin and freeze (in the scooped-out shells) for three
hours.

A note of caution. If you puncture the orange skin when scooping out
the flesh, the filling will seep out in the freezer.

For a richer flavour, fill the skins with home-made orange ice cream,
mixed with fragments of toasted orange zest and almonds.

Suggested wine: Chilled Polish vodka.

[Nunya Bidnits]

All the more reason I should hold on to my 70s vintage Chicago knives.

Unlike some folks here I have a lot of knives and use most of them. I'm a
stickler for the right tool for the job. And when those tools are right at
hand in blocks, no reason not to use them. Having an extra full set of
Chicago in addition to a full set of Henckels and a Shun means I always have
the knife I want, ready to go.

MartyB

[Gorio]

Moe DeLoughan;1848940 Wrote:
> On 7/12/2013 11:53 AM, Kalmia wrote:-

> Please rate from excellent to lousy and anywhere in between. I'm
> looking at a 15 piece set on ebay. Prices run in the $50s to $70s.
> Included 6 steak knives. What think you? Known as the
> "Cosmopolitan" set.

> -

>
> Chicago Cutlery used to be a good brand with very good quality knives.
> Then it was sold to World Kitchens (who also acquired Corning/Corelle,
> Revereware, and Ecko brands). Since the acquisition, the manufacturing
> moved to China and the quality went downhill. That's why Chicago
> Cutlery knives and knife sets are now so much more affordable than
> they used to be. I recall in the 1990s looking at a CC Walnut
> Traditions steak knife set in a wood block that sold for about a
> hundred bucks. A few years later I could find it for half that price.
> But the knives are much thinner and cheaper quality steel now.
>
> I'd call them middle-of-the-road. Better quality than the cheapest
> no-name knife sets, but naturally not to be compared with high quality
> knives like Wusthof. They don't hold an edge all that well, but if
> you're willing to sharpen them regularly, they will work out just fine.
>
> The fact that World Kitchen brands are now mostly sold in outlet shops
> and Walmart should be a clue. They're targeting shoppers interested
> more in low price than best quality.

I know a butcher who uses a professional line of CC; but I suspect that
those are the US made stuff.

Still, if the whole silly set isn't a total necessity, you can save $ by
buying decent stuff individually.




--
Gorio

[Nancy2]

Notbob iand Victor, with the greatest respect, FOD. Nobody named you Usenet kings.

N.

[Nancy2]

MartyB, thanks. I finally understood what I need to do. But at the moment, I'm fed up with the whole issue, so it will have to
wait until I'm in a better mood. ;-)

N.

[Michael Press]

In article <1a6f6fca-193b-4c75...@googlegroups.com>,

Kalmia <tween...@mypacks.net> wrote:

> Please rate from excellent to lousy and anywhere in between. I'm looking at a 15 piece set on ebay. Prices run in the $50s to $70s. Included 6 steak knives.
> What think you? Known as the "Cosmopolitan" set.

Buy your knives one at a time.

--
Michael Press

[Don Martinich]

In article <rubrum-9F9231....@news.albasani.net>,

Buy your steak knives one at a time?

[sf]

On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 19:33:19 -0700, Don Martinich <dmart...@att.net>
wrote:

Buy decent knives one at a time. Buy your steak knives at the grocery
store.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

[Michael Press]

In article
<dmartinich-3F18D...@londonmet-140-097-196-216.londonmet.ac
.uk>,

Aren't you clever.

--
Michael Press