AmerenUE in STL is FUBAR!

[John Kuthe]

I do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!

But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!

:-(

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[GM]

jwk...@bjc.org wrote:

> I do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!
>
> But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!
>
> :-(

Hope Ameren turns off your juice, GRASSHOPPER...

You spent all fall and winter masterbating and playing your djembe...

You said you'd get a job "after Christmas!"...

Now it's TWO months out from Christmas...

You spent HUNDREDS of bux on cheap junk like "gold - plated" wiper blades, repairs
to old junk electronics, expensive 180g vinyl LP's...

MORE than enuf to cover your $859.03 PAST DUE power bill...

Maybe Ameren will give you some forbearance if you sign over your CHEEP AFFEX
royalties over to them....

As BRYAN sez: "TIME TO MAKE THE DONUTS"...

Lol...!!!

--
GM

[Bryan Simmons]

It's quite a bit more expensive to heat with electric
than natural gas.
>
> --
> GM

--Bryan

[Hank Rogers]

Isn't it worth it to be 100% electric?

Mother gaia loves it.

[Blind snake]

Uhm Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Bryan Simmons]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > I do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!
> >
> > But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!
> >
> > :-(
>

:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

> >
> > John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >
> Isn't it worth it to be 100% electric?
>

"Coal-fired power plants provided 70% of Missouri's
electricity net generation in 2020, and more coal
was consumed for generation in Missouri than in
any other state except for Texas."
>
> Mother gaia loves it.
>
She's gaping and prolapsing from all the BBCs
(bituminous black coals) Kuthe is buggering
her with.

--Bryan

[Copperhead]

Since the wonderful state of Missouri, in the environmentally
conscious country that is America, is transitioning towards
sustainable energy, it's a good thing that responsible citizens like
John Kuthe are already prepared for this change, by driving a vehicle
that can work on clean energy, as opposed to fossil fuel propelled
vehicles. I would like to thank John for this, also on behalf of
Mother Gaia.

[Copperhead]

We Dutch have a saying about froggers like yoos, which is KILL YOURSELF
you loser. no friends no real job no money no sex and no hope for the
future. Loser. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Copperhead]

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Copperhead]

[Copperhead]

[Copper head]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:04:18 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
<bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Copperhead]

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:23:50 AM UTC-6, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> On Monday, February 14, 2022, jwk...@bjc.org wrote:
> >
> > > I do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!
> > >
> > > But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!
> >

> It's quite a bit more expensive to heat with electric
> than natural gas.
> >

> --Bryan
>
That's the truth!!!

[Copperhead]

[GM]

Yup, but according to John, electric does not "pollute"...

--
GM

[GM]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 12:51:04 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:

John could hook up his Leaf to "power" his horny abode...

--
GM

[GM]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:23:50 AM UTC-6, bryang...@gmail.com wrote:

All those ancient speaker cabinets of his must be tinder - dry by now, he could burn those to keep him warm when the " lights go out"...

--
GM

[Hank Rogers]

Maybe kuth will let you kiss his ass again.

[GM]

Miss Bwuthie has NO SHAME...

GAWD...!!!

--
GM

[Hank Rogers]

His electric doesn't, because he had that evil spire gas meter
removed. (It's perfectly acceptable by mother gaia to leave the
evil buried gas pipes)

Plus, the electric company polishes the coal dust off every
electron that enters the rainbow ranch.

[GM]

Next thang ya know, they'll cut his water off... he can use of those "composting
earth" terlits...

--
GM

[Copperhead]

Ghe? Uhm, can you go into more detail? I don't get it

[Alex]

Past due, eh?  If that is for one month, you must have zero insulation
in that house and it will eat up over a third of your SS income.

[Hank Rogers]

Or, he could do like Popeye, and just hang his ass out the window.

[John Kuthe]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 3:56:35 PM UTC-6, GM wrote:
...

> All those ancient speaker cabinets of his must be tinder - dry by now, he could burn those to keep him warm when the " lights go out"...
>
> --
> GM

"All those ancient speakers" are some of the best audio equipment ever made! Klipsch La Scalas, Heresies and Bozak Urbans!

Blow anything YOU have out of the water!


John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[Copperhead]

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:49:57 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe <jwk...@bjc.org>
wrote:

I have better speakers than you do. All my hi-fi gear is much better
than yours, John. Both new and old equipment.

[Jeßus]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 06:30:09 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe <jwk...@bjc.org>
wrote:

>I do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!
>
>But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!
>

>:-(

Of course. You chose the more expensive option to electrify
*everything* in your house, and car.

This, despite the FACT your electricity is coal powered. So, you
achieved NOTHING except to lose money. Lots of money.

Sure, in your feeble mind it gives you opportunities to BOAST about
'not using fossil fuels', even though you still do use fossil fuels.

And it is idiocy to think your state will stop using fossil fuels
anytime soon... if/when it actually happens, your POS Leaf will have
been recycled into tin cans.

You dumb, phoney and sanctimonious fraud..

[Ed Pawlowski]

WTF is it anyway? I'm familiar with the Bessemer process in steel
making but not in the home. Sounds strange but, consider the source.

[Michael Trew]

Very much so. My house is larger, and likely less insulate than John's
house. Even set at 63, January's gas bill is usually not fun. It was
nearly $300 for the January when I first moved here. By turning the
heat down, insulating around door frames and cracks, and installing some
proper-sized radiators in certain rooms, I've managed to get it down to
$160 for this past bill, which is great for a house like mine in my
area. I bet it would be easily 3X that much if I had all-electric
appliances.

[John Kuthe]

My 100% electric monthly bill was always under $400 but all of as sudden it's $800+? Not normal if you ask me.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[Hank Rogers]

Nobody asked you.

Shut up and pay up.

[GM]

Lol, TRVTH...!!!

--
GM

[Mike Duffy]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 18:35:56 -0800, John Kuthe wrote:


> My 100% electric monthly bill was always under $400 but all of as sudden
> it's $800+? Not normal if you ask me.

The entire NA continent has suffered more extended cold temperatures
these past few months than normal. You should go around your house and
block airflow in electrical outlets and switches, light fixtures, and
raceways that traverse levels. You should have a rubber bumper or bristle
skirt attached to your exterior doors.

Are all your windows double / triple glass?

Do you turn down the heat in rooms that are not used?

Is the floor in the attic insulated under your magnificent roof?


Also a three part question about your Leaf:

(1) Is it always 'on-charge' to keep it topped-up?

(2) Is it in a heated garage?

(3) Does it use Ni-H batteries or Li-ion?

Go right now and touch your batteries. Are they warm? (Ensure you did not
drive your car the last few hours.) Does your charging port / vehicle
have a continuous display of charging power? If not, get one.

[GM]

I'm quite content with a $200.00 sound bar, thanks...

'Course I'm a gainfully employed ADULT, not some slacker geezer goof, sitting around blowing weed and vainly trying to re - live my "glory daze" c. 1979 in some lame and justly - forgotten KRAP "band"...

Lol...

🤑 🐸

--
GM

[GM]

We hired STEVE WERTZ to call Ameren and "arrange" that for ya...


BWAHAHAHAAAAAA....!!!

😋

--
GM

[GM]

Great advice Mike, but he's much too "scattered" to actually *do* any of that...

--
GM

[GM]

Maybe, Ed, that aluminum production requires huge amounts of energy...???

But, yeah, there is no Bessemer "aluminum process"...

--
GM

[GM]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 6:50:03 PM UTC-6, jwk...@bjc.org wrote:

Until Ameren puts "the kibosh" on yer 'lectricity supply, ya GOOF....

Lol...

--
GM

[GM]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:30:11 PM UTC-6, Michael Trew wrote:

John's bill could prolly easily be less than $200/month, but then he stupidly went "all electric" and plus which he has zero financial sense...

--
GM

[Copper head]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:30:15 AM UTC-6, jwk...@bjc.org wrote:
> I do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!
>
> But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!
>

> :-(
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

I'm currently in my Australian animal names phase, but my frogger
copies my name immediately, so I keep changing it.

[Gary]

On 2/14/2022 10:04 AM, GM wrote:
> As BRYAN sez: "TIME TO MAKE THE DONUTS"...
>
> Lol...!!!

Would *you* buy donuts that John made after reading over and over how he
spends his Sundays? I didn't think so.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Just thought about that. Good chance he has the wrong setting for heat.

Heat pumps are very efficient. They will give about 300% more than the
electricity consumed.

Heat pumps are essentially and air conditioner in reverse. It takes the
heat from outside and brings it in the house. Of course, it is running
the condenser with compressor, fans, etc. If that should break down for
some reason. you go to the thermostat and select "Emergency Heat" and
instead of running the compressor it turns on resistance heating
elements that are 1/4 to 1/3 the efficiency.

Wrong setting can make an $800 bill.

[Gary]

John Kuthe wrote:
> My 100% electric monthly bill was always under $400 but all of as sudden it's $800+? Not normal if you ask me.

HOLY COW, John! That's pure evil. Do call them up and ask about that one.

Equivalent to your electric bill, I pay separately for electric plus gas
for heat, cooking and hot water.

My combined bill this month is:
electric - $29.33
gas - 36.01

Total for both - $65.34

Perhaps your all electric leaf is causing a big problem now. Battery is
getting old and probably holds a charge less time.

[Keelback]

Uhm Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))))))

[Ed Pawlowski]

Did you see my post about misuse of the heat pump? That could be much,
but the Leaf may be using a little more. Or, a neighbor has a line
running to the garage at night.

[Stephens Banded Snake]

[Taipan]

[jmcquown]

A Bessemer purification machine? He's sure as heck not smelting pig
iron on his electric stove. His electric utility might be charging him
a fee for all that electricity he uses but I doubt it. I'd love to see
a copy of that bill.

He said elsewhere "My 100% electric monthly bill was always under $400".
Good lord, hope so! That's a ridiculous rate.

Jill

[John Kuthe]

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 8:43:30 PM UTC-6, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
> On 2/14/2022 9:15 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 2/14/2022 7:34 PM, Alex wrote:
> >> John Kuthe wrote:
> >>> I do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!
> >>>
> >>> But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!
> >>>
> >>> :-(
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >>
> >> Past due, eh? If that is for one month, you must have zero insulation
> >> in that house and it will eat up over a third of your SS income.
> >

It never did before!

> > WTF is it anyway? I'm familiar with the Bessemer process in steel
> > making but not in the home. Sounds strange but, consider the source.
> A Bessemer purification machine? He's sure as heck not smelting pig
> iron on his electric stove. His electric utility might be charging him
> a fee for all that electricity he uses but I doubt it. I'd love to see
> a copy of that bill.
>
> He said elsewhere "My 100% electric monthly bill was always under $400".
> Good lord, hope so! That's a ridiculous rate.
>
> Jill

Yes IT IS! $850/mo! FUCK THAT!


John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[Hank Rogers]

The price of coal went up. You'll have to pay it if you want to
continue to use all your 100% electric shit.

And quit whining. You're getting as bad as your master.

[Mike Duffy]

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 22:10:58 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

> The price of coal went up. You'll have to pay it if you want to continue
> to use all your 100% electric shit.

I can't believe it doubled in one month. (The price per KWH for his
electricity).

I gave him all sorts of explanations for why his electrical consumption
might go up due to the record cold snap in NA and also his aging Nickel
Hydride batteries in his infinitymobile. When they get old, not only is
your operating range lowered, but they start to use way more electricity
just to maintain their charge. The excess energy which you are drawing
through the wires without storing it in the battery ends up as heat.

Eventually, it makes the battery hot enough to trip a failsafe somewhere,
or if not, the battery explodes when you drive the car.

But some of that was technical stuff that might require an EE degree to
understand. Maybe someone else can explain this to him in simple terms. I
think my explanations are too detailed to hold his attention all the way
to the end.

[GM]

Would be hilarious to see John's battery explode - preferably on a voyage to Jane's Dispensary to score some weed, lol...

Better than the Keystone Kops...!!!

--
GM

[Bryan Simmons]

Better call Spire.
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

--Bryan

[Crowned Snake]

[Crowned Snake]

[Platypus]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:30:15 AM UTC-6, jwk...@bjc.org wrote:
> I do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!
>
> But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!
>
> :-(
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

Wut?

[jmcquown]

Does John's electric heat involve a heat pump? Seems to me they are
more common in places that don't get very cold in the Winter. My house
here has a heat pump but when I lived in West TN, heat pumps weren't common.

And yes, it's true if you have the wrong heat setting. My dad used to
accidentally set it to Emergency Heat when he was trying to turn up the
temp. I'd come along behind him and set it to regular heat so they
wouldn't be hit with a higher bill.

Jill

[John Kuthe]

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:09:37 PM UTC-6, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
...

> Does John's electric heat involve a heat pump? Seems to me they are
> more common in places that don't get very cold in the Winter. My house
> here has a heat pump but when I lived in West TN, heat pumps weren't common.

My house has two 3 ton Heat Pumps yes, Bryants, the most efficient heat pumps that Welsch Heating and Air Conditioning installs over as year ago.
And I have never used this much as Ameren says, but no one there will listen to me!

> And yes, it's true if you have the wrong heat setting. My dad used to
> accidentally set it to Emergency Heat when he was trying to turn up the
> temp. I'd come along behind him and set it to regular heat so they
> wouldn't be hit with a higher bill.
>
> Jill

Yes I remember when they are installing my first floor heat pump seeing big thick what looked like nichrome heating wires in the top of the unit and I asked about them, and was told they were for emergency heat. Oh yeah they will heat, but at what a power cost?

Nikola Tesla used to regularly overdraw power for his experiments:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.history.com%2Fnews%2F6-brilliant-tesla-inventions-never-built&psig=AOvVaw3Y9iqqUsoVvPo2tKmrrrW-&ust=1645145260548000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCJDPhOnBhfYCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

but I do not have anything like that in my house.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[Bryan Simmons]

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:09:37 PM UTC-6, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:

Almost every bit of energy that was recorded by that electric
meter ended up as heat, somehow lost to the area surrounding
the house. In a standard, non-heat pump, all electric house,
every watt is the same as "Emergency Heat." Nurse Demento
replaced economical natural gas heat with electric, and his
house is large.

Heat pumps make sense for new construction. If a developer
is putting in a new subdivision--digging basements and
leveling the land, it's often not that much extra investment to
install the underground components for heat pumps, which
use the more stable underground temperatures to extract or
exhaust heat. That especially makes sense when there are
no nearby natural gas lines, which in themselves are costly
to put in. Gas heat is still cheaper if gas lines are already
there, and while heat pumps are great during cooling degree
days, the initial investment of replacing a gas furnace with a
heat pump system far outweighs the savings, and for new
subdivisions near to natural gas lines, these hybrid systems
are far more practical.
https://www.trane.com/residential/en/resources/glossary/dual-fuel-heat-pump/
>
> Jill

--Bryan

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 2/16/2022 7:51 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:09:37 PM UTC-6, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
> ...
>> Does John's electric heat involve a heat pump? Seems to me they are
>> more common in places that don't get very cold in the Winter. My house
>> here has a heat pump but when I lived in West TN, heat pumps weren't common.
>
> My house has two 3 ton Heat Pumps yes, Bryants, the most efficient heat pumps that Welsch Heating and Air Conditioning installs over as year ago.
> And I have never used this much as Ameren says, but no one there will listen to me!
>

They go by what the meter tells them. Go to the Ameren web site and log
in. Chances are they will give you usage data. Check it on a daily
basis if you have to. You can also check past use.

As an EE, you should be able to figure it all out. How is your meter
read?

Also make sure you are wired correctly at the T-stat and unit and
emergency heat is not on.

I use the Florida P&L app and it tells me my use to date and estimated
bill for the month. I heat with a heat pump and my bill last month was
$60. It is not as cold here.
>
>

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 2/16/2022 7:51 PM, John Kuthe wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:09:37 PM UTC-6, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
> ...
>> Does John's electric heat involve a heat pump? Seems to me they are
>> more common in places that don't get very cold in the Winter. My house
>> here has a heat pump but when I lived in West TN, heat pumps weren't common.
>
> My house has two 3 ton Heat Pumps yes, Bryants, the most efficient heat pumps that Welsch Heating and Air Conditioning installs over as year ago.
> And I have never used this much as Ameren says, but no one there will listen to me!
>

Looks like you can get usage alerts. Check it out

https://www.ameren.com/missouri/residential/offerings-and-services

[Ed Pawlowski]

Better link

https://www.ameren.com/account/customer-service/alerts

[John Kuthe]

I have 4 years worth of billing records, AmerenUE is just screwing me! My electric bills are normally 300-400 and now, 600, 7000 and 850? Sounds like BULLSHIT to me! No way I'm running anything that would take that much electric power! Not at all! Nothing significantly in my house.

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[Wallaby]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 18:36:20 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe <jwk...@bjc.org>

wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:19:59 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/16/2022 9:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 2/16/2022 7:51 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My house has two 3 ton Heat Pumps yes, Bryants, the most efficient
>> >> heat pumps that Welsch Heating and Air Conditioning installs over as
>> >> year ago.
>> >> And I have never used this much as Ameren says, but no one there will
>> >> listen to me!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Looks like you can get usage alerts. Check it out
>> >
>> > https://www.ameren.com/missouri/residential/offerings-and-services
>> >
>> Better link
>>
>> https://www.ameren.com/account/customer-service/alerts
>
>I have 4 years worth of billing records, AmerenUE is just screwing me! My electric bills are normally 300-400 and now, 600, 7000 and 850? Sounds like BULLSHIT to me! No way I'm running anything that would take that much electric power! Not at all! Nothing significantly in my house.

Does your closest neighbour's house smell of marihuana?

[Hank Rogers]

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:19:59 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/16/2022 9:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 2/16/2022 7:51 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:09:37 PM UTC-6,
>>>> j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
>>>> ...
>>>>> Does John's electric heat involve a heat pump? Seems to me they are
>>>>> more common in places that don't get very cold in the Winter. My house
>>>>> here has a heat pump but when I lived in West TN, heat pumps weren't
>>>>> common.
>>>>
>>>> My house has two 3 ton Heat Pumps yes, Bryants, the most efficient
>>>> heat pumps that Welsch Heating and Air Conditioning installs over as
>>>> year ago.
>>>> And I have never used this much as Ameren says, but no one there will
>>>> listen to me!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like you can get usage alerts. Check it out
>>>
>>> https://www.ameren.com/missouri/residential/offerings-and-services
>>>
>> Better link
>>
>> https://www.ameren.com/account/customer-service/alerts
>
> I have 4 years worth of billing records, AmerenUE is just screwing me! My electric bills are normally 300-400 and now, 600, 7000 and 850? Sounds like BULLSHIT to me! No way I'm running anything that would take that much electric power! Not at all! Nothing significantly in my house.
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>

Knit a sweater for your glabrous nads, turn the thermostat down,
pay the damn bill and STFU.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:36:28 PM UTC-6, jwk...@bjc.org wrote:
>
> I have 4 years worth of billing records, AmerenUE is just screwing me!
> My electric bills are normally 300-400 and now, 600, 7000 and 850?
> Sounds like BULLSHIT to me! No way I'm running anything that would
> take that much electric power! Not at all! Nothing significantly in my house.
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>

You don't have your heat pumps set emergency heat, do you?
I know this has been brought to your attention in another post,
but you did not answer.

[John Kuthe]

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:44:42 PM UTC-6, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
...
> You don't have your heat pumps set emergency heat, do you?
> I know this has been brought to your attention in another post,
> but you did not answer.

No, I'm not stupid!

John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

This one time you were not called stupid, but it can be easy to make
a mistake and set your heat to 'emergency.'

[Wallaroo]

Problems. Problems. Problems. They never stop! And then some racist
tries to pile on, wondering if the neighborhood is going up in smoke.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Nothing racist about it. Marijuana grow houses use a lot of
electricity, one of the things that tips off the police. They could be
tapping into John's garage and using his power.

I did not use the same term but made the same suggestion. It has happened.

[Janet]

In article <a37b5897-387d-4c5e...@googlegroups.com>,
jwk...@bjc.org says...

>
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:19:59 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 2/16/2022 9:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 2/16/2022 7:51 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:09:37 PM UTC-6,
> > >> j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
> > >> ...
> > >>> Does John's electric heat involve a heat pump? Seems to me they are
> > >>> more common in places that don't get very cold in the Winter. My house
> > >>> here has a heat pump but when I lived in West TN, heat pumps weren't
> > >>> common.
> > >>
> > >> My house has two 3 ton Heat Pumps yes, Bryants, the most efficient
> > >> heat pumps that Welsch Heating and Air Conditioning installs over as
> > >> year ago.
> > >> And I have never used this much as Ameren says, but no one there will
> > >> listen to me!
> > >>
> > >
> > > Looks like you can get usage alerts. Check it out
> > >
> > > https://www.ameren.com/missouri/residential/offerings-and-services
> > >
> > Better link
> >
> > https://www.ameren.com/account/customer-service/alerts
>
> I have 4 years worth of billing records,

When you first bought the house it was not all-electric and you hadnt
got an electric car. So the early power usage was lower then than it is
now.

Janet

[Janet]

In article <xlsPJ.22404$dln7...@fx03.iad>, e...@snet.xxx says...

As I recall, back when he was going to make money as a landlord John
installed power plug-ins for three electric vehicles, and that source is
unsupervised in the open garage.

Janet UK

[Dave Smith]

On 2022-02-17 8:47 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Nothing racist about it.  Marijuana grow houses use a lot of
> electricity, one of the things that tips off the police.  They could be
> tapping into John's garage and using his power.
>
> I did not use the same term but made the same suggestion.  It has happened.

They do use a lot of electricity, and there is light pollution. There is
a major grow up about 2 miles north west of me and sometimes when I look
that way at night it looks like there is a nuclear meltdown happening.
There is also the stink. There are at least a half dozen large legal
grow ops around here and most days when I walk outside I can smell it.

Cops used to catch illegal grow up by checking power bills. Illegal
operators started avoiding that by by-passing meters. That is why they
steal it, and that is why there are dangerous connections.

We had a fire in a good sized illegal grow up near here about a month
ago. I thought it was funny because there was a set of chicken barns on
a major road just a few miles away. Like all chicken barns, they used to
stink of chicken shit, especially when they sold off the flock and
cleaned out the barns. Then it started to smell like pot. That road is
one of most heavily patrolled by the cops. There is a lot of speeding
and a lot of accidents on it. Funny that none of them ever noticed the
smell.

[Trurtle-Headed Sea Snake]

Guess in which house they're growing marihuana in the attic :)
<https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/-OVBNdFWgGe8v9Cq3ILB9l-qBuY/diocontent/100111039/_fitwidth/694/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.8&desiredformat=webp>

[Trurtle-Headed Sea Snake]

[Jeßus]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 18:36:20 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe <jwk...@bjc.org>

wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 8:19:59 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 2/16/2022 9:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 2/16/2022 7:51 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 6:09:37 PM UTC-6,
>> >> j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
>> >> ...
>> >>> Does John's electric heat involve a heat pump? Seems to me they are
>> >>> more common in places that don't get very cold in the Winter. My house
>> >>> here has a heat pump but when I lived in West TN, heat pumps weren't
>> >>> common.
>> >>
>> >> My house has two 3 ton Heat Pumps yes, Bryants, the most efficient
>> >> heat pumps that Welsch Heating and Air Conditioning installs over as
>> >> year ago.
>> >> And I have never used this much as Ameren says, but no one there will
>> >> listen to me!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Looks like you can get usage alerts. Check it out
>> >
>> > https://www.ameren.com/missouri/residential/offerings-and-services
>> >
>> Better link
>>
>> https://www.ameren.com/account/customer-service/alerts
>
>I have 4 years worth of billing records, AmerenUE is just screwing me! My electric bills are normally 300-400 and now, 600, 7000 and 850? Sounds like BULLSHIT to me! No way I'm running anything that would take that much electric power! Not at all! Nothing significantly in my house.

Time will tell. You must use a lot of electricity, everything you have
is electric, including your car being charged at home.

[Trurtle-Headed Sea Snake]

We Dutch have a saying about froggers like yoos, which is KILL YOURSELF
you loser. no friends no real job no money no sex and no hope for the
future. Loser. Ghe Ghe Ghe.

[Turtle-Headed Sea Snake]

Ghe? Uhm, can you go into more detail? I don't get it

[Jeßus]

Useful but John will have problems using it. It wouldn't be long
before he's ranting again about 'fucked tech' or something similar.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 2/17/2022 1:44 PM, Trurtle-Headed Sea Snake wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Better link
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.ameren.com/account/customer-service/alerts
>>>>>
>>>>> I have 4 years worth of billing records, AmerenUE is just screwing me! My electric bills are normally 300-400 and now, 600, 7000 and 850? Sounds like BULLSHIT to me! No way I'm running anything that would take that much electric power! Not at all! Nothing significantly in my house.
>>>>
>>>> Does your closest neighbour's house smell of marihuana?
>>>
>>> Problems. Problems. Problems. They never stop! And then some racist
>>> tries to pile on, wondering if the neighborhood is going up in smoke.
>>
>> Nothing racist about it. Marijuana grow houses use a lot of
>> electricity, one of the things that tips off the police. They could be
>> tapping into John's garage and using his power.
>>
>> I did not use the same term but made the same suggestion. It has happened.
>
> Guess in which house they're growing marihuana in the attic :)
> <https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/-OVBNdFWgGe8v9Cq3ILB9l-qBuY/diocontent/100111039/_fitwidth/694/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.8&desiredformat=webp>

An insulation salesman can help them more than a lawyer.

[Leaf-scaled Sea Snake]

Uhm, Ghe Ghe Ghe. This is my not frogger. Yes. Ghe Ghe Ghe :)))))))

[Leaf-scaled Sea Snake]

[Horned Sea Snake]

[Horned Sea Snake]

[Small-headed Sea Snake]

[Small-headed Sea Snake]

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 12:45:05 PM UTC-6, Trurtle-Headed Sea Snake wrote:
>
> Guess in which house they're growing marihuana in the attic :)
> <https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/-OVBNdFWgGe8v9Cq3ILB9l-qBuY/diocontent/100111039/_fitwidth/694/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.8&desiredformat=webp>
>

This was from 2005, but what got them caught was the amount of
electricity that was being used.

https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/the-great-tennessee-pot-cave-pics-video.80071/

[Yellow-bellied Sea Snake]

[jmcquown]

He needs to call Ameren and question the bill. No one here works for
his electric company. We didn't read the meter. The emergency heat
setting is one possibility. His electric car constantly trying to
charge that old battery is another. How are we supposed to know?!

I'd have been questioning the electric company if my electric bill was
"normally 300-400". That's extremely high. Likely not much insulation
under that expensive tile roof.

Jill

[Alex]

The jury is still out on that.

[Elegant Sea Snake]

[There R So Many Snakes!]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:30:15 AM UTC-6, jwk...@bjc.org wrote:
> I do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!
>
> But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!
>
> :-(
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

I wonder if Michael realises that he's talking to and being chummy
with one of the big frogger trolls. So much for his good 50s Christian
values.

[Green Tree Snake]

On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 8:30:15 AM UTC-6, jwk...@bjc.org wrote:
> I do not have a Bessemer Aluminum purification machine in my house!
>
> But I have a $859.03 BILL TO PAY!
>
> :-(
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

It clearly says "Don Leo".

[Jeßus]

Wowsers. Must have been an old bunker. Those growers have no idea what
they were doing, despite all the effort. Those plants are all
suffering from the wrong PH in the water/nutrients, which means the
plants cannot access vital nutrients, especially calcium and
magnesium. Not even an ounce per plant of finished product.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

They musta been doing something right with $6.8 million in sales annually.
If nothing else they had a fortune in 5-gallon buckets.
:o))

[Oenpelli Python]

[Jeßus]

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:36:39 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 4:05:29 PM UTC-6, Jeßus wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 13:44:00 -0800 (PST), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >This was from 2005, but what got them caught was the amount of
>> >electricity that was being used.
>> >
>> >https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/the-great-tennessee-pot-cave-pics-video.80071/
>> >
>> Wowsers. Must have been an old bunker. Those growers have no idea what
>> they were doing, despite all the effort. Those plants are all
>> suffering from the wrong PH in the water/nutrients, which means the
>> plants cannot access vital nutrients, especially calcium and
>> magnesium. Not even an ounce per plant of finished product.
>>
>They musta been doing something right with $6.8 million in sales annually.
>If nothing else they had a fortune in 5-gallon buckets.
>:o))

:)

I wonder if the $6.8 million is a police 'estimate'? They did that to
a friend of mine, in court claimed he had $750000 worth of weed when
clearly it was not.

[Numbat]

Ghe?? Uhm, I dont ghet it?!?