Moldy bread again!

[Julie Bove]

This time it was Essential Baking Company Panino Rolls. Central Market had
them on sale. I can't remember what day I bought them. I ate one. Didn't
notice a problem. Then went to make a sandwich just now. The top roll
looked fine on first glance. But the one underneath it had a visible little
round spot of green mold. I then looked at the one underneath it and it had
several smaller spots just starting. The one on my plate? Had what
appeared to be a piece of rosemary baked into the bread. I checked the
ingredients as they do make a bread with rosemary. But there was none in
this bread. So out it went!

I don't know if you've ever bitten into moldy bread before. I have. I will
never forget that taste. It is not a good one!

Odd thing is, the date on the package was 6/14. I don't know if they made a
mistake on the date or what. I haven't bought a lot of their bread before.
Just their single long loaves (they're small) or the par baked that Costco
sells. And the rosemary bread which I wasn't such a fan of. Too much
rosemary in it.

We have been having rather warm weather. And one day it felt muggy. I just
don't know what would cause this. I still had the San Fransico sourdough
rolls (only a few left), two loaves of the honey wheat bread (one almost
gone) and neither showed any mold. One honey wheat is dated 6/9 and the
other is dated 6/12. The sourdough is 6/10. :(

[pltrgyst]

On 6/10/14, 12:57 AM, Julie Bove wrote:

> We have been having rather warm weather. And one day it felt muggy. I

> just don't know what would cause this....

Ummm, warm weather and humidity.

We have that problem year-round in Florida -- no bread lasts as long as
we expected when we lived up north.

We rnow efrigerate all breads and baked good -- double-wrapped -- after
one day.

-- Larry

[sf]

On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:57:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

> We have been having rather warm weather. And one day it felt muggy. I just
> don't know what would cause this. I still had the San Fransico sourdough
> rolls (only a few left), two loaves of the honey wheat bread (one almost
> gone) and neither showed any mold. One honey wheat is dated 6/9 and the
> other is dated 6/12. The sourdough is 6/10. :(

1. Don't buy so much bread all at once.
2. Check the dates carefully and buy only what you can consume before
it goes stale.
3.
http://www.eatbydate.com/grains/baked-goods/bread-shelf-life-expiration-date/

--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

[jmcquown]

On 6/10/2014 10:22 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:57:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>> We have been having rather warm weather. And one day it felt muggy. I just
>> don't know what would cause this.

It's called "humidity". Mold thrives in warm, moist climates.

>> I still had the San Fransico sourdough
>> rolls (only a few left), two loaves of the honey wheat bread (one almost
>> gone) and neither showed any mold. One honey wheat is dated 6/9 and the
>> other is dated 6/12. The sourdough is 6/10. :(
>
> 1. Don't buy so much bread all at once.
> 2. Check the dates carefully and buy only what you can consume before
> it goes stale.
> 3.
> http://www.eatbydate.com/grains/baked-goods/bread-shelf-life-expiration-date/
>

It seems Julie feels compelled to buy lots of stuff all at one time. If
they'd replaced the second freezer when it broke (even with a smaller
one) she wouldn't have this problem, but they chose not to. So... don't
buy bread as if you're a squirrel gathering nuts for the winter.

Jill

[spamtr...@gmail.com]

When we buy bread we freeze half the loaf right away. Mold especially
likes whole wheat bread, so we will freeze the loaf in two or three sections.

We can get several uses out of each ziploc bag.

[Ophelia]

<spamtr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:76ad4a25-9fc0-4542...@googlegroups.com...

I don't eat much bread these days, so that when I make one, I cut it into
slices and freeze it. Saves wastes.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <ln6392$o5v$1...@dont-email.me>,

What did Central Market say when you returned the Rolls?

[Oregonian Haruspex]

Yes, bread immediately goes into the freezer here, if we buy it at all.
Bread is essentially empty calories anyway, even the whole wheat stuff, so
it doesn't make sense to really eat much of it.

[Julie Bove]

"pltrgyst" <nn...@xhost.org> wrote in message
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I grew up with refrigerated or frozen bread and I just don't like what it
does to the texture.

[Julie Bove]

"sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:3s4ep95k8l7tkscbk...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:57:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>> We have been having rather warm weather. And one day it felt muggy. I
>> just
>> don't know what would cause this. I still had the San Fransico sourdough
>> rolls (only a few left), two loaves of the honey wheat bread (one almost
>> gone) and neither showed any mold. One honey wheat is dated 6/9 and the
>> other is dated 6/12. The sourdough is 6/10. :(
>
> 1. Don't buy so much bread all at once.
> 2. Check the dates carefully and buy only what you can consume before
> it goes stale.
> 3.
> http://www.eatbydate.com/grains/baked-goods/bread-shelf-life-expiration-date/
>

This was only 4 rolls and not expired. The date on it indicated that it
should be good through 6/14. Obviously not. But the bread I have with
dates that are sooner than that have no mold. So just weird.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bvon2k...@mid.individual.net...

I didn't buy this all at one time. I bought the second loaf of honey whole
wheat only because I can't get it everywhere. Only Costco, Whole Foods, PCC
or Central Market. I got this loaf at Central Market only because I
happened to be there and they had the sale on the Panino rolls so I decided
to try them. Plus they were dated 6/14 so I assumed they would be fine. I
already knew that I had only a few of the Sourdough rolls left. They are
small and it was a big bag of them. I knew they were soon to expire. Only
reason that I bought those is that I wanted something for sandwiches and
whatever store I bought them at (Target? I think...) did not have what I
wanted and they were the only rolls they had that I could eat. So while it
was still a larger amount than I wanted, they had no other options and I
didn't want to go to another store.

[jill.si...@ucen.ucsb.edu]

>
>
>
> I grew up with refrigerated or frozen bread and I just don't like what it
>
> does to the texture.

Wasn't there a really long thread about you having to toss a bunch of groceries due to your electricity being out and there were many individual bags of bread in the freezer? I am a lurker and when bored follow these epic threads and I never post but this inspired me. There is a feel to your posts that remind me of Buffy Lyre or whatever her name was eons ago.

[julie...@gmail.com]

Hahaha, yes Buffy Lyre was such a kick. The difference is that she knew exactly how silly she and her friend (what was her name, Mary Ann?) were. She was truly witty.

Julie P

[Je�us]

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 16:07:23 -0700 (PDT),
jill.si...@ucen.ucsb.edu wrote:

>> I grew up with refrigerated or frozen bread and I just don't like what it
>> does to the texture.
>
>Wasn't there a really long thread about you having to toss a bunch of groceries due to your
>electricity being out and there were many individual bags of bread in the freezer?

There sure was.

>I am a lurker and when bored follow these epic threads and I never post but this inspired me.

Welcome :)

[Julie Bove]

<jill.si...@ucen.ucsb.edu> wrote in message
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No clue who Buffy Lyre was. The bread I had to toss when we had the power
outage was a few pieces of flat bread from Costco. An entire package of
that stuff sells for (I think) $2.97 so it wasn't really a monetary loss. I
also had a few slices of honey whole wheat that I use for toast. I will
continue to freeze the flat bread only because I go to Costco less often
than I do other stores. And that sort of bread I warm before eating so the
freezer doesn't seem to affect it. The *only* reason I froze the other
bread was because I was stuck on the couch due to a foot operation and
subsequent infection. I couldn't go out to get groceries and I was in some
cases paying a premium price to have them delivered. So I did my best to
preserve what little I had.

I can go out and get groceries now as needed. So no need to put extra bread
in the freezer. And there is pretty much always going to be extra. Those
loaves are small but the don't contain preservatives and they will go moldy,
usually on the 8th day. They are good for 7 days after baked. But I can't
always time it to where I am purchasing a loaf with 7 days left on it.
Sometimes there are only 4 days. And I am usually the only one who eats it.
It would be rare for me to eat an entire loaf. And due to the slightly
sweet taste, I have found that we don't like it for other things. French
Toast Casserole being an exception but... Even when I make that, it rarely
gets fully eaten so there is still waste. I'd rather just waste the bread
and not additional eggs, milk, sugar substitute and cinnamon. Plus my time.

[Julie Bove]

"barbie gee" <boo...@nosespam.com> wrote in message
news:alpine.DEB.2.02.1...@sghcrg.sghcrg.pbz...

> How long are you leaving the bag open when you take the first piece out of
> the loaf/bag? Are your hands clean?

My hands are always clean when I prepare food and the bag was only open for
perhaps a few seconds. I grab it out and reclose immediately.
>
> Maybe you have a mold spore problem in the house, and you're contaminating
> the breads on your own. The breads with more preservatives or less
> contact with the air in your house or a lower moisture content may not
> mold as quickly.

That was brought up before but... Wouldn't all of the bread go moldy then?
And it doesn't. The one I complained of prior was a flatbread. Pita but
not pocket. I have since learned that they have some in Winco that is
actually moldy. I will never buy that brand again. I did write to the
company and never got a response. Someone surmised that they might be
putting it in the bags while warm. Winco sells another brand which is much
cheaper and it is cheaper still (although the bag is much bigger) at Costco.
I have switched to that brand. Never moldy even when 3 days past date.
Although it will get a tad dry.

I still have the partially used bag of honey whole wheat and also the
Sourdough. Date on the Sourdough was yesterday. Neither is moldy at all.

I did have mold around my kitchen sink but I removed all of the caulking and
redid it with a kind that repels mold. No mold there. None in my bathroom.
Husband's bathroom tends to get a little mold most likely because he is not
good to turn the vent fan on and he takes super long, hot showers.

[Julie Bove]

> Maybe you're leaving it out on a sunny counter?

No.

[dsi1]

Breads with no preservatives will tend to spoil rapidly. Once you open
them, you only have a couple of days to finish it off. That's the way it
is here in the tropics. I tend to stay away from breads like that.

[Julie Bove]

"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
news:lnbqfd$4fd$1...@dont-email.me...

I'm not sure if these had preservatives or not. I may go back to the store
tomorrow where I got them and will look. My honey whole wheat has no
preservatives and it still seems fine.

[Brooklyn1]

So, keep your bread in the fridge... you do have refrigeration? Even
with AC bread without preservatives will keep well for a couple weeks.
The bread I buy contains no preservatives and a loaf can easily last
me ten days, but I keep it in the fridge and it will keep for a
month... very rarely after several weeks there might be a tiny bit of
mold on the last slices, that gets tossed to the critters.

[dsi1]

On 6/12/2014 6:24 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> So, keep your bread in the fridge... you do have refrigeration? Even
> with AC bread without preservatives will keep well for a couple weeks.
> The bread I buy contains no preservatives and a loaf can easily last
> me ten days, but I keep it in the fridge and it will keep for a
> month... very rarely after several weeks there might be a tiny bit of
> mold on the last slices, that gets tossed to the critters.
>

I don't have no stinkin' room in my fridge for no bread! If there's a
little mold on the bread, I'll cut it off and proceed with the eating.

[spamtr...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:59:09 AM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote:

>
> I don't have no stinkin' room in my fridge for no bread! If there's a
> little mold on the bread, I'll cut it off and proceed with the eating.

The theory is that mold visible on the surface has spinnarets that go deep
inside the food.

[dsi1]

On 6/12/2014 12:29 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> I'm not sure if these had preservatives or not. I may go back to the
> store tomorrow where I got them and will look. My honey whole wheat has
> no preservatives and it still seems fine.

The trend of foods having no-preservatives mostly causes a lot of food
being dumped. That's not good.

[dsi1]

I'm pretty sure this is true but I don't let stuff that I can't see rule
my life. My brain's advanced schemes of denial works in perfect concert
with my poor eyesight to make it all happen.

[sf]

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 10:19:44 -0700 (PDT), spamtr...@gmail.com
wrote:

So, what if you're not breathing it into your lungs.

[Cheri]

"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message

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LOL, same here.

Cheri

[Je�us]

That's the fault of the purchaser, not the bread.
Aside from having awful texture and taste, bread with preservatives
isn't exactly good for you and some people are sensitive to it. It
doesnt feel or taste like bread to me.

[Julie Bove]

"Brooklyn1" <grave...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ljkjp9har3v06ecvk...@4ax.com...

As I have said countless times before, I don't like the texture of
refrigerated bread.

[Julie Bove]

"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message

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That's not a wise plan. If you can see mold it is all through it.

[dsi1]

My guess is that mold can be an important source of vitamins and
nutrients for strong bodied and minds. Well, at least bodies, anyway.

[rosie]

[rosie]

try putting the bread in the fridge, that may help. If I leave it out in the bread box, for more than a coule days, it tends to get moldy.

[Julie Bove]

"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message

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I don't know if it would make you sick or not but... I remember eating that
piece of flat bread with hummus at the dance studio. All of a sudden I
wanted to hurl. I had the most off taste in my mouth. Then I looked down
and saw the big green spots. I must have been in a hurry that day and just
grabbed stuff to throw in a bag. Blech!

[dsi1]

Ugggh! That's a pretty disgusting story. I would have probably hurled
too. I just don't understand why people feel the need to put hummus on a
perfectly good piece of bread.

[Julie Bove]

"dsi1" <ds...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message

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No, no! The bread wasn't good. It was moldy. Most awful taste. I will
say that I didn't care for the hummus that I just ate though. The regular
flavor was fine. The roasted pepper was okay as was the tomato and pesto.
But the jalapeno and cilantro kind? I could do without. It was a party
platter that I got at Costco. Never again. Nobody else liked it either.
Was the Pita Pals brand.

[Moe DeLoughan]

Oh, FFS. The preservative most commonly used in bread is calcium
propionate, which is naturally found in far higher levels in Swiss
Cheese. People decided that 'preservative' was bad, so they demanded
preservative-free bread. Which then goes bad much faster. But they
never knew it was a natural product in their cheese, so they never got
worked up about it there.

So preservative-free bread molds a lot faster. Congratulations, food
loons, you got what you asked for.

[Moe DeLoughan]

It may have trace amounts of a natural product with preservative
qualities, such as raisins or raisin juice, or cinnamon. Tiny amounts
of those items will extend the shelf life of bread. Bakers in the know
add trace amounts to their doughs for that reason.

[Moe DeLoughan]

"Mold" does not equal "death". If it did, the ancestors of the human
race would never have made it out of the ocean.

I can guarantee you that the vast majority of humanity has eaten moldy
bread and survived the experience. Most in modern times probably never
even noticed.

[Moe DeLoughan]

On 6/12/2014 4:04 AM, dsi1 wrote:

> Breads with no preservatives will tend to spoil rapidly. Once you open
> them, you only have a couple of days to finish it off. That's the way
> it is here in the tropics. I tend to stay away from breads like that.

Sometimes bread is bagged before it has fully cooled. That happens
more often than it should, and it will promote mold growth.

[sf]

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:33:58 -0500, Moe DeLoughan <m...@notmine.null>
wrote:

> So preservative-free bread molds a lot faster. Congratulations, food
> loons, you got what you asked for.

I want preservatives in other things too. For instance, I bought this
yesterday
http://www.shopwell.com/el-mexicano-marinade-sauce-maranja-agria-bitter-orange/sauces-marinades/p/4274323125
DD looked at the ingredient list and said I shouldn't buy it. My
response was that Seville oranges are only once a year (quick like
apricot season, except I have to go to the farmer's market to buy them
because they don't show up in my grocery stores) and my timing has to
be perfect to find them... so, yes, I DO want preservatives in it.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

[Helpful person]

On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 1:36:11 PM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
>
> It may have trace amounts of a natural product with preservative
> qualities, such as raisins or raisin juice, or cinnamon. Tiny amounts
> of those items will extend the shelf life of bread. Bakers in the know
> add trace amounts to their doughs for that reason.

Since when is grape juice a preservative?

http://www.richardfisher.com

[Moe DeLoughan]

http://pods.dasnr.okstate.edu/docushare/dsweb/Get/Document-7328/FAPC-173web.pdf

Shirley Corriher discusses all this in Cookwise.

You really don't know much about cookery, do you?

[dsi1]

I got some house brand white bread from Safeway that appeared to be
pumped full of water. I've never seen bread such as this. It sort of has
the texture of uncooked French bread. Boy, it's pretty gross. I guess
it's better toasted but it's a little hard getting it to the toaster
slot when it's flopping over when you hold it vertical. Hopefully, that
just a manufacturing error and not some new and improved recipe. OTOH,
it hasn't gotten moldy yet. Thanks preservatives!

[Julie Bove]

"Moe DeLoughan" <m...@notmine.null> wrote in message
news:lnpuj9$l3g$3...@dont-email.me...

I didn't say it would kill. But it is still not advised that we eat it.
Some people are allergic to it.

[Janet Bostwick]

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:40:57 -0500, Moe DeLoughan <m...@notmine.null>
wrote:
snip

>
>"Mold" does not equal "death". If it did, the ancestors of the human
>race would never have made it out of the ocean.
>
>I can guarantee you that the vast majority of humanity has eaten moldy
>bread and survived the experience. Most in modern times probably never
>even noticed.

I read just yesterday that the average person in the U.S. eats over
one pound of insects and insect parts per year.
Janet US

[Bryan-TGWWW]

Thank you. Most folks haven't a clue about fatty acids.

>
> So preservative-free bread molds a lot faster. Congratulations,
> food loons, you got what you asked for.

Those same "food loons" see ingredients like "non-GMO canola oil" as healthful, while rejecting those like calcium propionate and sodium benzoate. I was thinking about writing a book about the subject when Winter hijacked me.

--Bryan

[Cheryl]

I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.

--
ღ.¸¸.✫*¨`*✶
Cheryl

[Janet Bostwick]

On Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:35:28 -0400, Cheryl <jlhs...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Sneaky things. I know they run around at night. I've seen them.
Yuck.
Janet US

[Nancy2]

Good grief, isn't there anything else going on in your life? Moldy bread is not a sign of the end of the world!
Buy Pepperidge Farm. I have an opened loaf of rye bread, re-opened and used a number of times, for at
least six weeks, maybe longer, and there isn't a speck of mold on it anywhere. It is stored in a regular metal
bread box inside my cupboard. I have AC in the summer and like it fairly cool in the winter. I expect there are some
hefty preservatives involved, but you can just pretend they are also preserving you. Quit with all the bitching,
it isn't becoming, nor is it earth-shattering. In a word, it is boring and it is my guess that nobody gives a damn.

N

[Gary]

> Cheryl wrote:
> >I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
> >their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.

Oh dear lord, please tell me you're kidding. arrghhh! >;-[]

[Ophelia]

"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message news:53A49BAF...@att.net...

yum yum added protein ;p

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/

[Brooklyn1]

Cheryl wrote:
>
> I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
> their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.

A person eats about a peck of bug parts in a lifetime and a bushel of
mouse turds, but no live spider is going to crawl into the mouth of
the living... after you're dead all sorts of critters will crawl in
and out of all your orifices.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hearse_Song
http://www.alsirat.com/deathlore/worms.html

[Julie Bove]

"Nancy2" <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't think they sell Pepperidge Farm here but even if they did, I
probably couldn't eat it. I can't have rye, wheat or eggs.

And you are quite nasty. What I posted about was totally food related. I
just bought the same bread again. We'll see. The Bolo bread that I bought
did not have an expiration or use by date on it but the last piece went
moldy after about 4 days. No preservatives in it.

If you truly have a loaf of bread that sat out on the counter for 6 weeks
and didn't get moldy then I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole!

[Nancy2]

Well, then, I will be well preserved and you will not. ;-). PFarm makes all kinds of bread, not just rye.
And I said it was kept in a bread box inside my cupboard, not out on the counter.
I still don't know why you make such a huge, time-consuming issue about a non-issue.

N.

[Cheryl]

It read as a fact. ;)

[Nunya Bidnits]

People have no idea how many really tiny spiders are all over they place, so
tiny they are almost transparent. It's not stretch to think of one zipping
down it's strand of silk right into your snoring mouth. Happens all the time
apparently.

MartyB

[cshenk]

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

Nor would I Julie. For the rare time we agree. I make our bread and it
will mold (depending on type made) in 3-5 days if not in the fridge. I
dont use preservatives. Just normal stuff like sugar and salt to make
the bread.

I'm ok with some going to waste if I don't have fridge space. It's
cheap to make andif i catch it in time, makes great excess other items
like crutons, bread crumbs, stuffing (things I never buy as I dont need
to).

CAROL

--

[Julie Bove]

"Nancy2" <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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They might make it but I don't think it is sold here. I had a coupon for
some of their rolls and couldn't find them. I think I did see it when I
lived on Cape Cod.

And I didn't make a huge or time consuming thing. Nor was it a non-issue.
My bread is kept in a breadbox.

[Julie Bove]

"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Well this was purchased bread. What I don't get is this. They put a
sticker on there which would be a best by or expiration or sell by date.
Not sure which. It didn't spell it out. And yet? The bread went moldy
before that date. That just seems wrong. They are doing something wrong.

Bakery bread usually has a date on it for the day after it was baked.
Perhaps they should do that?

[jinx the minx]

It was non-preserved bread. Why do you think you should get some sort of
"guaranteed by" date for it? It's summer. It's humid out. Get over it.
--
jinx the minx

[Julie Bove]

"jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It's not humid here and it wasn't summer when this happened. Again, my
point is... If they are going to put a date on it, then it should be good
until then.

[jinx the minx]

Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
--
jinx the minx

[Julie Bove]

"jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.

*sigh*

How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits the
bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.

[jinx the minx]

*sigh*

Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your "intolerances".
It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
--
jinx the minx

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <lo2m88$26p$1...@dont-email.me>,

it seems likely that the problem is that your house has an excess of
mold. that would explain your various food problems, allergies and
illnesses

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <lo2s9r$15v$1...@dont-email.me>,

so what happens when you return the bread to the store and explain that
to them?

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <lo2m4g$1j5$1...@dont-email.me>,

which is probably contaminated with mold

[Julie Bove]

"jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1986696911425016401.71...@news.eternal-september.org...

You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date on
the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!

And you're worse than a whiner. You're just a bitcher!

[Ophelia]

"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:P7WdncpWud_vRznO...@giganews.com...

Same here. We eat very little bread these days so I make only one loaf.
Any leftover goes into the freezer and when I have enough I dehydrate it for
making breadcrumbs.


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[Ophelia]

<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote in message
news:heb9q997atgam59it...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 21:49:48 +0100, "Ophelia"
> <Oph...@Elsinore.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Gary" <g.ma...@att.net> wrote in message
>>news:53A49BAF...@att.net...
>>>
>>>> Cheryl wrote:
>>>> >I once read that the average person would eat about 8 whole spiders in
>>>> >their lifetime, usually in their sleep when one would crawl in.
>>>
>>> Oh dear lord, please tell me you're kidding. arrghhh! >;-[]
>>
>>yum yum added protein ;p
>

> Makes me think of the Somerset Maugham tale about the bug getting in
> the man's ear and eating it's way through his brain to the other side
> :)

yers ...

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[graham]

On 21/06/2014 2:53 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1986696911425016401.71...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> "Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> "jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:350477957425013314.706...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
>>> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
>> un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your
>> "intolerances".
>> It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
>
> You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date
> on the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date?
>

Only if you take SENSIBLE precautions.
Graham

[Brooklyn1]

That Use-By date assumes people will afford a product proper handling;
not everyone in the household pawing it with unclean hands, closing
the package immediately, keeping at or below a normal room temperature
(72�F), and naturally not in direct sunlight. The package bread I buy
contains no preservatives, I've yet to have it mold. The only bread
I've occasionaly had mold is the bread I buy past it's Use-By date at
heavy discount for feeding critters, and that's my fault for over
buying and keeping it too long. Those who regularly have food
spoilage incidents practice poor personal hygiene... there really is
no other explanation.

[Janet Bostwick]

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 01:53:47 -0700, "Julie Bove"

<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

>
>"jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1986696911425016401.71...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> "jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:350477957425013314.706...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
>>> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
>> un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your "intolerances".
>> It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
>
>You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date on
>the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!
>
>And you're worse than a whiner. You're just a bitcher!

The dates on packaging mean until you take the package home, open it
and begin to use it. The producer can't guarantee (or guess) what
happens after you open it. The date is useful to determine which is
the freshest on the supermarket shelf. That's all.
Janet US

[Janet Bostwick]

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 09:35:34 -0400, Brooklyn1
<grave...@verizon.net> wrote:
snip

>
>That Use-By date assumes people will afford a product proper handling;
>not everyone in the household pawing it with unclean hands, closing
>the package immediately, keeping at or below a normal room temperature
>(72�F), and naturally not in direct sunlight. The package bread I buy
>contains no preservatives, I've yet to have it mold. The only bread
>I've occasionaly had mold is the bread I buy past it's Use-By date at
>heavy discount for feeding critters, and that's my fault for over
>buying and keeping it too long. Those who regularly have food
>spoilage incidents practice poor personal hygiene... there really is
>no other explanation.

agree.
Janet US

[jmcquown]

On 6/21/2014 9:35 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:56:55 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> It was non-preserved bread. Why do you think you should get some sort of
>>> "guaranteed by" date for it? It's summer. It's humid out. Get over it.
>>
>> It's not humid here and it wasn't summer when this happened. Again, my
>> point is... If they are going to put a date on it, then it should be good
>> until then.
>

Not humid? Yet you wrote in the original post: "We have been having
rather warm weather. And one day it felt muggy." Muggy means humid. Doh!

> That Use-By date assumes people will afford a product proper handling;
> not everyone in the household pawing it with unclean hands, closing
> the package immediately, keeping at or below a normal room temperature
> (72�F), and naturally not in direct sunlight. The package bread I buy
> contains no preservatives, I've yet to have it mold.

(snippage)

There's no telling what really goes on. I *do* know she places entirely
too much faith in artibitrary date stamp/stickers.

IF she bought the bread and it molded before whatever that date was
supposed to represent, just take the damn package back to the store and
complain to THEM. Demand money back or another loaf of bread.

Naturally there will be some reason she couldn't do that.

I don't know about most people but I keep my grocery store receipts for
at least a week. This is just in case I encounter some problem and need
to return or exchange something. This doesn't happen to me, mind you,
but I still keep the receipts for a while just in case.

Jill

[Janet Bostwick]

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 10:37:32 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
snip

>
>IF she bought the bread and it molded before whatever that date was
>supposed to represent, just take the damn package back to the store and
>complain to THEM. Demand money back or another loaf of bread.
>
>Naturally there will be some reason she couldn't do that.
>
>I don't know about most people but I keep my grocery store receipts for
>at least a week. This is just in case I encounter some problem and need
>to return or exchange something. This doesn't happen to me, mind you,
>but I still keep the receipts for a while just in case.
>
>Jill

the last two times that JB wrote about a bread/mold problem, she
stated that she bought bread that was on sale. I don't know what that
means -- is it a sale by the bread baker or is it on a 'get it out of
here quick' sale?
Janet US

[Cheri]

"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote in message
news:lo3h70$9qt$1...@dont-email.me...

Well, that's not necessarily true. It would depend on how things are stored.
For instance if you left bread in a hot car before bringing it in, all bets
are off no matter the outdate.

Cheri

[sf]

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 09:17:14 -0700, "Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com>
wrote:

It has been pointed out before that putting warm bread in a plastic
bag guarantees mold. I've said this before, but I'll say it again...
I learned that the hard way years ago when I purchased still warm
bread from a bakery and it was covered with mold the following
morning.


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All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

[jinx the minx]

"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
> "jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1986696911425016401.71...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>> "jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:350477957425013314.706...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>
>>>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
>>>
>>> *sigh*
>>>
>>> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
>>> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
>> un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your "intolerances".
>> It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
>
> You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date
> on the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!
>
> And you're worse than a whiner. You're just a bitcher!

Idiot.
--
jinx the minx

[Ophelia]

"sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:qvebq9l8krr4tc7i5...@4ax.com...

just what Cheri said then ... it would depend on how things are stored!

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[Nunya Bidnits]

In her case a sensible precaution would be cancelling her internet access.

[Nunya Bidnits]

Never argue with a pig. It just wastes your time and annoys the pig.

[Malcom "Mal" Reynolds]

In article <lo3h70$9qt$1...@dont-email.me>,

"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

> "jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:1986696911425016401.71...@news.eternal-september.org.

> ..
> > "Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote:
> >> "jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:350477957425013314.706...@news.eternal-september.or
> >> g...
> >>
> >>> Then only buy bread with preservatives in it.
> >>
> >> *sigh*
> >>
> >> How many times must I say it? I can't eat dairy. That severely limits
> >> the bread I can eat. Most has milk in it.
> >
> > *sigh*
> >
> > Then that's price you have to pay -- buying bread with a shorter,
> > un-guaranteed shelf life. Everybody knows about all your "intolerances".
> > It's time you just STFU about them, Wendy Whiner.
>
> You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date on
> the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!
>
> And you're worse than a whiner. You're just a bitcher!

poor Julie, so many problems and yet she hasn't mastered the art of
actually complaining to the store that sold the product or the company
that made the product

[Julie Bove]

"graham" <gst...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:%xfpv.35328$cr7...@fx09.iad...

I kept it in the bread box.

[Julie Bove]

"Janet Bostwick" <nos...@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:po2bq91iniv9vf26c...@4ax.com...

You got a cite for that?

[Julie Bove]

"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:lo4b6...@news4.newsguy.com...

Didn't do that. Store is about 2 miles away. Brought it right in and put

[Julie Bove]

"jinx the minx" <jinx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1599194326425063513.19...@news.eternal-september.org...

You're that too! Even with your maps!

[Julie Bove]

"Brooklyn1" <grave...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:pp0bq9d5ql9c658nn...@4ax.com...

I am the only one who took rolls out. My hands were clean.

[Julie Bove]

"Janet Bostwick" <nos...@cableone.net> wrote in message

news:9t7bq9tu6k8tgevki...@4ax.com...

The store advertised it and I presume that they bought a lot of it. It
wasn't a clearance item.

[jinx the minx]

You got me there! Har har.
--
jinx the minx

[Cheri]

"sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
news:qvebq9l8krr4tc7i5...@4ax.com...

> It has been pointed out before that putting warm bread in a plastic
> bag guarantees mold. I've said this before, but I'll say it again...
> I learned that the hard way years ago when I purchased still warm
> bread from a bakery and it was covered with mold the following
> morning.

Absolutely true.

Cheri

[Nancy2]

Careful, Jinx, she might think you are a nasty person. LOL.

N.

[S Viemeister]

On 6/21/2014 3:27 PM, Julie Bove wrote:

> Didn't do that. Store is about 2 miles away. Brought it right in and
> put it in the bread box.

How often do you disinfect your breadbox?

[Gary]

This is a good thing to mention. Mold throws out spores and if Julie
has a moldy bread problem, the new bread could get 'infected' from the
spores of the old bread. Do clean out your breadbox, Julie.

Or...just toss it out in the trash. I buy bread once a week and store
it on top of my fridge. Never a moldy bread problem for me unless it
sits there for over a week. Once the week is over, I'll move bread
into the fridge or freezer for toast. I buy a new loaf each saturday.

G.

[Je�us]

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 12:27:10 -0700, "Julie Bove"
<juli...@frontier.com> wrote:

>"Cheri" <che...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>news:lo4b6...@news4.newsguy.com...
>>
>> "Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote in message
>> news:lo3h70$9qt$1...@dont-email.me...
>>>

>>> You are totally missing the point here! If the bread maker puts a date
>>> on the bag, then shouldn't it be good till that date? Yes!!!!!
>>
>> Well, that's not necessarily true. It would depend on how things are
>> stored. For instance if you left bread in a hot car before bringing it in,
>> all bets are off no matter the outdate.
>
>Didn't do that. Store is about 2 miles away. Brought it right in and put
>it in the bread box.

Is the bread box inside a hot car, perhaps?

[Je�us]

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 17:01:26 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>S Viemeister wrote:
>>
>> On 6/21/2014 3:27 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> > Didn't do that. Store is about 2 miles away. Brought it right in and
>> > put it in the bread box.
>>
>> How often do you disinfect your breadbox?
>
>This is a good thing to mention. Mold throws out spores and if Julie
>has a moldy bread problem, the new bread could get 'infected' from the
>spores of the old bread. Do clean out your breadbox, Julie.
>
>Or...just toss it out in the trash.

What's your obsession with wasting things?

[Cheryl]

On 6/21/2014 5:04 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> Same here. We eat very little bread these days so I make only one loaf.
> Any leftover goes into the freezer and when I have enough I dehydrate it
> for making breadcrumbs.

I never dehydrate bread for breadcrumbs. What benefit do you get from
doing that? I know store bought breadcrumbs are dry, but I never
thought to do that for my bag of breadcrumbs that I keep in the freezer
all the time, from excess bread or rolls I might have. I recently
included frozen soft pretzels in the mix because they'd been in the
freezer for too long and were stale.

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Cheryl