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Steve Kramer

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Mar 1, 2002, 11:48:27 PM3/1/02
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After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.

You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
"PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
LTD' located at
http://www.photoenvisions.com

Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
graphics involved in the first pages, but once each gallery is loaded,
the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy

Steve Kramer
"PhotoEnvisions"
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, two days, 5 hours, 48 minutes and 24
seconds. 38677 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,768.52. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 5 minutes.

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"Steve Kramer" <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
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| After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
| succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
|
| You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
| "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
| LTD' located at
| http://www.photoenvisions.com
|
| Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
| graphics involved in the first pages, but once each gallery is loaded,
| the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
| opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
| gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy
|
| Steve Kramer
| "PhotoEnvisions"
| Chiang Mai, Thailand
|
Wow, Steve- you are REALLY a wonderful artist!!!
And with cablemodem the site loaded in no time at all-
Thank you for the kind invitation- we wish you well!
Peggy


Dog 3

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Mar 2, 2002, 1:38:47 AM3/2/02
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"Steve Kramer" <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
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: After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally

: succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
:
: You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
: "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
: LTD' located at
: http://www.photoenvisions.com
:
: Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
: graphics involved in the first pages, but once each gallery is loaded,
: the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
: opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
: gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy
:
: Steve Kramer
: "PhotoEnvisions"
: Chiang Mai, Thailand

These were great Steve. I really enjoyed visiting your site. Good luck.
BTW, I had no problems loading and I'm using a 56k modem instead of my DSL
via Earthlink.

Michael


Rhonda Anderson

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Mar 2, 2002, 2:51:47 AM3/2/02
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Steve Kramer <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in
news:3C80599B...@seatraveler.com:

> After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
> You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> LTD' located at
> http://www.photoenvisions.com
>
> Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
> graphics involved in the first pages, but once each gallery is loaded,
> the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
> opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
> gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy

Steve,

I just had a quick look and these are wonderful photos. I've bookmarked it
to go back later when I've time to have a proper look at them all. BTW, I
just have a 56k modem and this site wasn't all that slow to load.

Well done.

--
Rhonda Anderson
Penrith, NSW, Australia

Archon

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Mar 2, 2002, 4:49:20 AM3/2/02
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> Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
> graphics involved in the first pages,

Took about 0.5 sec to load.

> but once each gallery is loaded,
> the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
> opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
> gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy

I like "Beautiful Places".

Did you take all the photos?

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Leo Scanlon

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Mar 2, 2002, 6:31:47 AM3/2/02
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On Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:48:27 +0700, Steve Kramer
<st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:

>After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
>succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
>You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
>"PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
>LTD' located at
>http://www.photoenvisions.com

Great stuff, Steve, and best of luck to you in this new venture. Each
of the sections in your Gallery have just a few pictures. I hope
you'll add a lot more in the future. I'd especially like to see more
of your underwater photography.

A question: The photo labeled Turtl~62: Is that a giant turtle track
in the sand? I'm not sure what I'm looking at.

Leo

limey

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Mar 2, 2002, 8:50:00 AM3/2/02
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"Steve Kramer" <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
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> After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
> You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird
Co.,
> LTD' located at
> http://www.photoenvisions.com
>

> Steve Kramer
> "PhotoEnvisions"
> Chiang Mai, Thailand
>
What a beautiful world it is - we're lucky to see it through your
eyes. I'm looking forward to more! Good luck in your venture. (No
trouble downloading here).

Dora

Steve Kramer

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Mar 2, 2002, 9:13:53 AM3/2/02
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Archon wrote:
>
> > Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
> > graphics involved in the first pages,
>
> Took about 0.5 sec to load.
>
> > but once each gallery is loaded,
> > the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
> > opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
> > gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy
>
> I like "Beautiful Places".

Me too! *grin* That 'was' my favorite until I moved to Thailand and
began interacting with the various hill tribe people. I will be adding
different galleries as time permits, dedicated to just the Akha, Karen,
Hmong, Lisu, etc., hill tribes, with an in-depth look at their daily
life. I've been spend a lot of time along the Burmese/Thai border,
climbing up to their villages and have hundreds of rolls of fill still
to be scanned in and processed. Absolutely fascinating to see this life
style in the 21st century. It's like going though a time warp! Cultural
Anthropology was always a hobby of mine, and now I get the 'real meal
deal!'

> Did you take all the photos?

Each and every one! With plenty more to come. I rushed to get this site
up and opened so there are only a few photos for each gallery and only
the few galleries right now. I intend to have 20-30 different subject
areas, with hundreds of photos in each. Unfortunately, I now begin my
day at 6am, work on the photos for 3 hours (Nobuko brings me my
breakfast at the computer,) then rush of for classes in Thai language,
then run home again to continue working until midnight. Retirement was
NOT supposed to be like this... I wanna go back to being a nice lazy
university prof! At least then I could watch some TV.

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, two days, 15 hours, 12 minutes and 4
seconds. 38689 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,770.58. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 5 minutes.

The Ranger

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Mar 2, 2002, 9:21:07 AM3/2/02
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Steve Kramer announced (proudly):

>After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have
>finally succeeded in creating and opening my Thai
>registered business.
>
>You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
>"PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain
>Thunderbird Co., LTD' located at http://www.photoenvisions.com
>
>Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due
>to all the graphics involved in the first pages, but once each
>gallery is loaded, the individual photos are VERY FAST to
>open and view. And in 'my' opinion, worth the wait!! *grin*
>Sorry, no wine or cheese for this gallery opening. Just
>some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy

Thank you for this invite.

You've found your calling; those galleries were filled with stunning
examples of your artistry. I hope you don't mind my sharing the site with
more people. <G>

The Ranger


Steve Kramer

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Mar 2, 2002, 9:28:15 AM3/2/02
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Leo Scanlon wrote:
>
> On Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:48:27 +0700, Steve Kramer
> <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:
>
> >After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> >succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
> >
> >You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> >"PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> >LTD' located at
> >http://www.photoenvisions.com
>
> Great stuff, Steve, and best of luck to you in this new venture.

Thanks! It's been an exciting/frustrating/wonderful/horrible/educational
experience to which I look forward to more of part of all that....

> Each of the sections in your Gallery have just a few pictures. I hope
> you'll add a lot more in the future. I'd especially like to see more
> of your underwater photography.

I intentionally kept it small at this time as I'm seeing it though a
very slow connection; around 18-30 on a 'good' day, which is why I
mentioned that it was slow loading. The jungle internet selection of
providers is not a large one. But if you want to see some more
underwater stuff right now, you can find plenty at my Seatraveler home
page. However there are too many 'snapshots' mixed in with the good
stuff to put them all up in the PhotoEnvisions site en mass. Take a peek
at http://www.seatraveler.com You'll find several different galleries
just devoted to underwater shots.

> A question: The photo labeled Turtl~62: Is that a giant turtle track
> in the sand? I'm not sure what I'm looking at.

Yep! The hard part was to find a 'single' clear track! That was shot on
the island of Sangalaki, 50k east of Borneo, and about 100k south of
Sipadan (where the hostages were taken two years ago.) Every night
anywhere from 50-200 turtles come ashore to dig nests and lay their
eggs... sometimes right under our cabin. The entire island is only about
150 yards in diameter, so in the morning the beach is completely
criss-crossed with turtle tracks everywhere. You can find the photos of
them and dive trip report at http://www.seatraveler.com/Tripsang.htm
The Littlest Mermaid is my wife, Nobuko. Best dive buddy I have ever
had! (Not to mention a pretty good wife, too...)

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, two days, 15 hours, 25 minutes and 51
seconds. 38689 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,770.62. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 5 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 2, 2002, 9:30:29 AM3/2/02
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Thanks for the feedback! But remember what Marcel Proust said: "The
voyage of discovery lies not in seeking new horizons, but in seeing with
new eyes." Enjoy!

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, two days, 15 hours, 30 minutes and 22
seconds. 38689 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,770.64. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 5 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 2, 2002, 9:31:51 AM3/2/02
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Thanks for the feedback. And for the compliment! From my server, even
GIF files take forever to download!

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, two days, 15 hours, 31 minutes and 39
seconds. 38689 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,770.64. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 5 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 2, 2002, 9:32:51 AM3/2/02
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Thanks, Rhonda. It's good to know that some people can see them before
the grass grows too high.

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, two days, 15 hours, 32 minutes and 49
seconds. 38689 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,770.65. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 5 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 2, 2002, 10:11:43 AM3/2/02
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Thanks!! I appreciate the feedback.

> I hope you don't mind my sharing the site with
> more people. <G>

Mind? Not at all!! (Especially if they are rich... :o) )

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, two days, 16 hours, 10 minutes and 59
seconds. 38690 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,770.79. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 8 hours, 10 minutes.

Dog 3

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"Steve Kramer" <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
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: The Ranger wrote:
: >
: > Steve Kramer announced (proudly):
: > >After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have
: > >finally succeeded in creating and opening my Thai
: > >registered business.
: > >
: > >You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
: > >"PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain
: > >Thunderbird Co., LTD' located at http://www.photoenvisions.com
: > >
: > >Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due
: > >to all the graphics involved in the first pages, but once each
: > >gallery is loaded, the individual photos are VERY FAST to
: > >open and view. And in 'my' opinion, worth the wait!! *grin*
: > >Sorry, no wine or cheese for this gallery opening. Just
: > >some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy
: >
: > Thank you for this invite.
: >
: > You've found your calling; those galleries were filled with stunning
: > examples of your artistry.
:
: Thanks!! I appreciate the feedback.
:
: > I hope you don't mind my sharing the site with
: > more people. <G>
:
: Mind? Not at all!! (Especially if they are rich... :o) )
:
: Steve
: Chiang Mai, Thailand

Speaking of sharing, do you have newsletter or automatic email software that
might send out a notice that new photographs have been added to the site?
There is a lot on the site and I'm still going through it. My favorites are
the scape of Hong Kong and the entire Wildlife gallery.

Michael


K3

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> After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
> You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> LTD' located at
> http://www.photoenvisions.com
>
> Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
> graphics involved in the first pages, but once each gallery is loaded,
> the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
> opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
> gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy
>
> Steve Kramer
> "PhotoEnvisions"
> Chiang Mai, Thailand
>

Great photos, Steve! Thanks for sharing them with us. I specially liked
the photo of the dock (Early~.jpg) -- so calm and relaxing.

--
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st...@temple.edu

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Mar 2, 2002, 10:53:19 AM3/2/02
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Steve Kramer <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:
> After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.

> You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> LTD' located at http://www.photoenvisions.com

Steve, did you shoot those photos? The web site and the photos are
incredible! The colors on the photos and the way they are rendered
with such detail is impressive. What kind of camera equipment did you
use for these photos? I am asking because I am an amateur photographer.

PENMART01

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Mar 2, 2002, 11:48:51 AM3/2/02
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In article <3C80DE21...@seatraveler.com>, Steve Kramer
<st...@seatraveler.com> writes:

> I rushed to get this site
>up and opened so there are only a few photos for each gallery and only
>the few galleries right now. I intend to have 20-30 different subject
>areas, with hundreds of photos in each.

Steve, please inform me about when the topless mermaid gallery is up... btw, I
did enjoy the pic of the nursing mother but unfortunately even with my zoom
feature I couldn't see much... what was that Beetles hit, Imagine? <G>


Sheldon
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The Hackett Family

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Mar 2, 2002, 5:04:03 PM3/2/02
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Ohhhhh Ssssstttttteeeeevvvvvveeeeeee...

Your photographs are INCREDIBLE!!! Please either adopt me or hire me as
your Girl Friday!! Your "eye" for pictures is amazing!! If I had a larger
monitor I could have felt as though I was right there! Pardon me if I'm not
gushing properly... I was/am truly in awe. God has created some beautiful
people and places and you really have the gift for showing it!

Side note about the ladies with the brass rings around their necks. I
recently saw a program on television where a lady was willing to have the
coils removed. It was very interesting. After removing them she later
requested to have the coils replaced because she felt uncomfortable and the
fact that she literally had to hold her head up with her hands because her
neck muscles were not strong enough to support it. At any rate, an x-ray
was taken to see if her neck was truly stretched due to the coils or not...
not. Apparently, your/hers (etc) body's skeletal structure change shape to
accommodate the rings... her collar bone and upper ribs appeared to be
shaped like that of an oxen's yoke; rather like an upside down "u" with
upturned edges... you just had to see it to understand... really amazing
what your body can do.

Steve, thank you so much for sharing your images. I wish you much continued
success and can't wait to see even more photographs. Please forgive my
greediness! <G>

--
Cyndi


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Piggie

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Mar 2, 2002, 5:39:00 PM3/2/02
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<< snip >>

>> Did you take all the photos?
>
>Each and every one! With plenty more to come. I rushed to get this site
>up and opened so there are only a few photos for each gallery and only
>the few galleries right now. I intend to have 20-30 different subject
>areas, with hundreds of photos in each. Unfortunately, I now begin my
>day at 6am, work on the photos for 3 hours (Nobuko brings me my
>breakfast at the computer,) then rush of for classes in Thai language,
>then run home again to continue working until midnight. Retirement was
>NOT supposed to be like this... I wanna go back to being a nice lazy
>university prof! At least then I could watch some TV.
>
>Steve
>Chiang Mai, Thailand
>

Congratulations! Very nice pictures you got there. I also have a 56K modem and
it didn't take long to download.

Piggie


Felice Friese

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Mar 2, 2002, 5:56:19 PM3/2/02
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"Steve Kramer" <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
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> After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally


> succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
> You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> LTD' located at
> http://www.photoenvisions.com

Ah, Steve! The gallery opening was an exciting one, even though I had to
provide my own wine and cheese.

Splendid photos! My favorites were "Karen 3A" (a living madonna!) and
"Pagoda".

More! More!

Felice


Jean B.

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Mar 2, 2002, 6:59:10 PM3/2/02
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Steve Kramer wrote:
>
> After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
> You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> LTD' located at
> http://www.photoenvisions.com
>

Very nice, Steve. Reminds me of National Geographic--also of a lot of
my books, since I have a long-standing interest in SE Asia. Here's
what I want: pics of Angkor Wat....

Jean B.

Puester

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Mar 2, 2002, 7:15:50 PM3/2/02
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Steve Kramer wrote:
>
> After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
> You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> LTD' located at
> http://www.photoenvisions.com


Wow, you do good work! The photos didn't take long to download with
my 56k modem, and they are gorgeous.

gloria p

Archon

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Mar 2, 2002, 7:27:41 PM3/2/02
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> climbing up to their villages and have hundreds of rolls of fill still
> to be scanned in and processed. Absolutely fascinating to see this life
> style in the 21st century. It's like going though a time warp! Cultural
> Anthropology was always a hobby of mine, and now I get the 'real meal
> deal!'

The "Karen" pic gives me the creeps!

> > Did you take all the photos?
>
> Each and every one!

Impressive underwater pics! You are a pro!

Steve Kramer

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Arch wrote:
>
> > climbing up to their villages and have hundreds of rolls of fill still
> > to be scanned in and processed. Absolutely fascinating to see this life
> > style in the 21st century. It's like going though a time warp! Cultural
> > Anthropology was always a hobby of mine, and now I get the 'real meal
> > deal!'
>
> The "Karen" pic gives me the creeps!

Although they do 'look' strange, the Long Neck Karen have proven to be
the friendliest of all the tribes we spend time with. Each and every one
was more than willing to sit a chat with us, asking us more questions
about our lifestyles than we were asking about theirs.

They invited me into their homes to photograph the side of village life,
as well as entertaining us with music and singing. One young woman
played a sort of guitar and sang village songs and I'm telling you...
she was damn good!! This was NOT some sort of organized tour; this was
just Nobuko and me wandering around a village of about a dozen huts
http://www.photoenvisions.com/KarenVille.jpg and chatting and
photographing people. No one tried to sell us anything (the Akha are the
real Carnival Pitchmen, not the Karens!) although they did have shops
with handicrafts for sale. You can see some of the weavings that they do
behind the women.


Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

PENMART01

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Mar 2, 2002, 8:40:03 PM3/2/02
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Arch wrote:
>
>The "Karen" pic gives me the creeps!

Not me... they just pique my curiosity. But I do find those beauties quite
intimidating... I imagine them being the ultimate deep throaters and them
pointing and giggling when they see all I got is a measly eight inches. So,
Steve... didja ever get to witness the secret wedding ritual? I Imagine those
Karen men with brass coils like Harley Davidson front fork spings on their
schlongs... they probably hafta walk on stilts. I need pictures! <G>

Hag & Stenni

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On Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:48:27 +0700, Steve Kramer
<st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:

>After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
>succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
>You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
>"PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
>LTD' located at
>http://www.photoenvisions.com
>

>Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
>graphics involved in the first pages, but once each gallery is loaded,
>the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
>opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
>gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy
>
>Steve Kramer
>"PhotoEnvisions"
>Chiang Mai, Thailand
>

Congratulations Steve, you are a tremendous
photographer...Ive been eyeing your Stalk (Study in green
wasnt it?), buds, and prayers for a bit trying to work up
the nerve to email you about how to get my hands on
them...There are 2 spots in the diningroom and one in the
livingroom where I can just see them.........Chuckle....
Hag k


The answer to the "men only want to protect women"
spiel is in a great quote by Dr. Mary Edwards Walker
Civil War Medal of Honor recipient - "You men are
not our protectors... If you were, who would there
be to protect us from?"

"Be All You Can Be - Unless You're a Woman" ??

can the spam to reply...

Steve Kramer

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The Hackett Family wrote:
>
> Ohhhhh Ssssstttttteeeeevvvvvveeeeeee...
>
> Your photographs are INCREDIBLE!!! Please either adopt me or hire me as
> your Girl Friday!!

In fact, I AM looking for an assistant... I'm getting tired of
schlepping all this gear around. It was so much easier when I just had
my "Instamatic!'

> Your "eye" for pictures is amazing!! If I had a larger
> monitor I could have felt as though I was right there! Pardon me if I'm not
> gushing properly... I was/am truly in awe. God has created some beautiful
> people and places and you really have the gift for showing it!

Thanks! Plenty more sitting on the shelf behind me, (about 3,000...)
awaiting the scanner. I can only scan in about 50 slides a day, as I use
a VERY high resolution and make 16 scan passes on each slide to average
out the results.

> Side note about the ladies with the brass rings around their necks.

[SNIP]


> Apparently, your/hers (etc) body's skeletal structure change shape to
> accommodate the rings... her collar bone and upper ribs appeared to be
> shaped like that of an oxen's yoke; rather like an upside down "u" with
> upturned edges...

People originally thought that their necks were actually stretching, but
x-rays confirm that the collar bones and ribs below are being pressed
down instead. I've seen the x-rays taken of them myself. They are on
display at one of the national museums dedicated to all the various hill
tribes. After removing the rings for a length of time, these bones
actually begin to revert to their correct position. Several of the
younger women have left the villages and removed their rings to better
fit in with modern city life.

> Steve, thank you so much for sharing your images. I wish you much continued
> success and can't wait to see even more photographs. Please forgive my
> greediness! <G>

My pleasure. And when you are ready to carry 50lbs of camera lenses
while climbing steep mountains, let me know. I'll be happy to have you
along!

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, three days, 3 hours, 14 minutes and
12 seconds. 38704 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,773.21. Life used for
a better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 20 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 2, 2002, 9:28:24 PM3/2/02
to
Dog 3 wrote:

> Speaking of sharing, do you have newsletter or automatic email software that
> might send out a notice that new photographs have been added to the site?
> There is a lot on the site and I'm still going through it. My favorites are
> the scape of Hong Kong and the entire Wildlife gallery.

I don't have anything automatic, so you'll just have to check back now
and again. *grin* More will be going up each week. But I usually DO make
an announcement in here when I do.

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, three days, 3 hours, 28 minutes and 7
seconds. 38704 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,773.26. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 20 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 2, 2002, 9:31:09 PM3/2/02
to
"Jean B." wrote:

> Very nice, Steve. Reminds me of National Geographic-

Bless you, my child.... It's my dream!


> Here's
> what I want: pics of Angkor Wat....

OK. Done! I just checked with the boss and she says we can go. Probably
in a couple of months when the temperature and rain are more favorable
there.

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, three days, 3 hours, 30 minutes and
55 seconds. 38704 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,773.27. Life used for

Dog 3

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Mar 2, 2002, 10:11:47 PM3/2/02
to

"Steve Kramer" <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
news:3C818A48...@seatraveler.com...

: Dog 3 wrote:
:
: > Speaking of sharing, do you have newsletter or automatic email software
that
: > might send out a notice that new photographs have been added to the
site?
: > There is a lot on the site and I'm still going through it. My favorites
are
: > the scape of Hong Kong and the entire Wildlife gallery.
:
: I don't have anything automatic, so you'll just have to check back now
: and again. *grin* More will be going up each week. But I usually DO make
: an announcement in here when I do.
:
: Steve
: Chiang Mai, Thailand

Thanks. I've been in and out very briefly the past 6 or so months. I'm
really out of touch with what's going on in rfc. But, I'll catch up <G>

Michael


PENMART01

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Mar 2, 2002, 10:35:54 PM3/2/02
to
In article <3C818713...@seatraveler.com>, Steve Kramer
<st...@seatraveler.com> writes:

>People originally thought that their necks were actually stretching, but
>x-rays confirm that the collar bones and ribs below are being pressed
>down instead.

What happens to their breasts?

Jim

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Mar 3, 2002, 1:13:20 AM3/3/02
to

>After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
>succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
>You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
>"PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
>LTD' located at
>http://www.photoenvisions.com
>
>Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
>graphics involved in the first pages, but once each gallery is loaded,
>the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
>opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
>gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy
>

Wow. Beautiful photos. You have a very good eye. All the pictures were
excellent,
but the Pagoda photo especially appealed to me. Thank you for sharing your
work, and I will definitely tell my family and friends about your site. I look
forward to seeing more of your art, and I wish you sucess in your business.
Jim
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very
angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Douglas Adams

Steve Kramer

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Mar 3, 2002, 5:35:05 AM3/3/02
to ste...@bigfoot.com

> Congratulations Steve, you are a tremendous
> photographer...

Thanks!!

> Ive been eyeing your Stalk (Study in green
> wasnt it?), buds, and prayers for a bit trying to work up
> the nerve to email you about how to get my hands on
> them...There are 2 spots in the diningroom and one in the
> livingroom where I can just see them...

Just push the little button that says "To contact us for information or
sales, press here please," and all will be revealed... *grin* It's
almost painless...


Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, three days, 11 hours, 34 minutes and
43 seconds. 38714 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,775.03. Life used for
a better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 10 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 3, 2002, 5:36:40 AM3/3/02
to
PENMART01 wrote:
>
> In article <3C818713...@seatraveler.com>, Steve Kramer
> <st...@seatraveler.com> writes:
>
> >People originally thought that their necks were actually stretching, but
> >x-rays confirm that the collar bones and ribs below are being pressed
> >down instead.
>
> What happens to their breasts?

That depends... :o)


Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, three days, 11 hours, 36 minutes and
26 seconds. 38714 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,775.04. Life used for
a better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 10 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 3, 2002, 5:48:49 AM3/3/02
to
st...@temple.edu wrote:
>
> Steve Kramer <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:
> > After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> > succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
> > You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> > "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> > LTD' located at http://www.photoenvisions.com


> Steve, did you shoot those photos?

Yep. Each and every one!

> The web site and the photos are incredible!

Thank you. Both took a lot of sweat and screaming, and some days I
wondered if it was worth chewing through the leather restraining straps.
A lot of credit should go to Nobuko for putting up with my ranting and
raving trying to figure out how to make the damn pages run!

> The colors on the photos and the way they are rendered
> with such detail is impressive.

Slide film... in this case Provia 100. And I ALWAYS use either a tripod
or a monopod when I shoot, unless I'm just walking around doing my town
errands with a camera over my shoulder. ALWAYS USE A TRIPOD OR MONOPOD!
It makes a difference even at the higher shutter speeds.

> What kind of camera equipment did you
> use for these photos? I am asking because I am an amateur photographer.

Everything is Nikon. The bodies are an automatic F100 usually set to
aperture priority, and a manual FE. The lenses are all Nikon 'pro grade'
primes or zooms. If you'd like specifics, just e-mail me and I'll tell
you what I use and where I use it.

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, three days, 11 hours, 47 minutes and
35 seconds. 38714 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,775.08. Life used for

Leo Scanlon

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Mar 3, 2002, 7:11:27 AM3/3/02
to
On Sat, 02 Mar 2002 21:28:15 +0700, Steve Kramer
<st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:

>However there are too many 'snapshots' mixed in with the good
>stuff to put them all up in the PhotoEnvisions site en mass. Take a peek
>at http://www.seatraveler.com You'll find several different galleries
>just devoted to underwater shots.

Wow! Thanks for the additional URL. As advertised, there are many,
many fascinating underwater pix. All of this seems so exotic to me,
with my hum-drum 9-to-5 white collar job and my home in the 'burbs.
<Sigh>

Leo

Steve Kramer

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Mar 3, 2002, 9:09:55 AM3/3/02
to

Let it be said publicly... the grass is always greener....
I was VERY happy a few nights ago when I was able to FINALLY sit down in
front of the TV with a bowl of popcorn and a glass of tequila. For an
entire hour!!!

There have been many days when I've pined to be back in the classroom,
simply because of all the free time I had. I could even play "Space
Invaders" on my computer instead of scanning photos, cropping pictures,
mailing CD's of images, etc. My only real 'free time' now is what I
steal to read the newsgroups and answer my mail.

However, let it also be said that I wouldn't trade a moment of it all...
*grin* The idea of climbing up some remote mountain, going over the
other side down into the valley and finding a village right out of the
bronze age, with people who still think 'rich' means that you have three
sewing needles instead of only one, or finding a flower so rich in color
that you need to step back to really see it, makes getting older just
that much more fun. While I CAN do without the genocide and mass murders
going on of the ethnic hill tribe peoples, I can't do without the
adventure. But I do miss Star Trek...


Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, three days, 15 hours, 8 minutes and
57 seconds. 38718 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,775.81. Life used for
a better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, 30 minutes.

C.J. Fuller

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Mar 3, 2002, 9:43:05 AM3/3/02
to
In article <3C81674E...@rcn.com>, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com>
wrote:

I second that! The SO, who's teaching himself Photoshop by scanning
pics from his travels over the last 30 years, was impressed by the
underwater photos. I'll have to direct him to the seatraveler.com url
as well.


Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller
<mailto:cjfu...@mindspring.com>
<mailto:cjfu...@uncg.edu>

Nancy Young

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Mar 3, 2002, 10:45:56 AM3/3/02
to
Steve Kramer wrote:
>
> "Jean B." wrote:
>
> > Very nice, Steve. Reminds me of National Geographic-
>
> Bless you, my child.... It's my dream!

Dang, I was going to ask Steve if he'd contacted National G.
He'd get to make money for travelling.

nancy

Archon

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Mar 3, 2002, 12:02:31 PM3/3/02
to

> Not me... they just pique my curiosity. But I do find those beauties quite
> intimidating... I imagine them being the ultimate deep throaters and them
> pointing and giggling when they see all I got is a measly eight inches. So,
> Steve... didja ever get to witness the secret wedding ritual? I Imagine those
> Karen men with brass coils like Harley Davidson front fork spings on their
> schlongs... they probably hafta walk on stilts. I need pictures! <G>

Have you ever considered working as a writer for porn magazines? Try
applying for a more underground type.

st...@temple.edu

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Mar 3, 2002, 12:35:46 PM3/3/02
to
Steve Kramer <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:
>
> Slide film... in this case Provia 100. And I ALWAYS use either a tripod
> or a monopod when I shoot, unless I'm just walking around doing my town
> errands with a camera over my shoulder. ALWAYS USE A TRIPOD OR MONOPOD!
> It makes a difference even at the higher shutter speeds.

Thanks Steve for the technical photography details. Have you experimented with
other films? What about digital equipment? Some digital photographs I have seen
are very impressive, but the equipment to shoot at that quality is well beyond my
price range. I would love to get rid of my Nikon N70 and bulky lenses and just go
digital, but the cost is just too high right now, although it has come down quite
a bit. I met a photo journalist who showed me a Minolta digital camera that she
had recently purchased and some images she blew up to a very large size,
something like 3 feet long, and the quality was amazingly good.


MH

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Mar 3, 2002, 1:50:55 PM3/3/02
to
Steve Kramer <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
news:3C80DE21...@seatraveler.com...
> >
> > I like "Beautiful Places".
>
> Me too! *grin* That 'was' my favorite until I moved to Thailand and
> began interacting with the various hill tribe people. I will be adding
> different galleries as time permits, dedicated to just the Akha, Karen,
> Hmong, Lisu, etc., hill tribes, with an in-depth look at their daily
> life. I've been spend a lot of time along the Burmese/Thai border,

> climbing up to their villages and have hundreds of rolls of fill still
> to be scanned in and processed. Absolutely fascinating to see this life
> style in the 21st century. It's like going though a time warp! Cultural
> Anthropology was always a hobby of mine, and now I get the 'real meal
> deal!'
>
> > Did you take all the photos?
>
> Each and every one! With plenty more to come. I rushed to get this site
> up and opened so there are only a few photos for each gallery and only
> the few galleries right now. I intend to have 20-30 different subject
> areas, with hundreds of photos in each. Unfortunately, I now begin my
> day at 6am, work on the photos for 3 hours (Nobuko brings me my
> breakfast at the computer,) then rush of for classes in Thai language,
> then run home again to continue working until midnight. Retirement was
> NOT supposed to be like this... I wanna go back to being a nice lazy
> university prof! At least then I could watch some TV.
>
> Steve
> Chiang Mai, Thailand
>
>
Those are wonderful, Steve. Thank you for the invitation.

Martha

BOB

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Mar 3, 2002, 2:27:34 PM3/3/02
to

<st...@temple.edu> wrote in message news:a5tmti$pik$1...@cronkite.temple.edu...
I am completely lost when it comes to "Good" photographic equipment, but I
don't thin that you would have to give up your Nikon lenses. I met a
photographer for one of the news services at the Cape about a year ago. He
was just starting to use digital. He had a Nikon digital that used the same
lenses as his 35mm format cameras. I seem to remember that the price for
the camera body itself was in the 2 to 3 thousand dollar range, though. I
bet those pictures would be beyond belief.
BOB


Janine

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Mar 3, 2002, 3:14:34 PM3/3/02
to
Steve Kramer wrote:

> Dog 3 wrote:
>
> > Speaking of sharing, do you have newsletter or automatic email software that
> > might send out a notice that new photographs have been added to the site?
> > There is a lot on the site and I'm still going through it. My favorites are
> > the scape of Hong Kong and the entire Wildlife gallery.
>
> I don't have anything automatic, so you'll just have to check back now
> and again. *grin* More will be going up each week. But I usually DO make
> an announcement in here when I do.
>
> Steve
> Chiang Mai, Thailand
>
> Three years, six months, one week, three days, 3 hours, 28 minutes and 7
> seconds. 38704 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,773.26. Life used for a
> better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 20 minutes.
>
> --
> I wish to live my life deliberately, to front the essential facts
> of life; to suck the very marrow of life and see if I can learn what it
> has to teach, and not, when it comes my time to die, discover that I
> have not lived.

Hi Steve,

The site looks great! Thanks for the invite.

As far as change notification goes, you might want to take a look here:
http://www.netmind.com/members/webmaster_program.shtml

~Janine
--
What great thing would you attempt if you knew you couldn't fail?


Miche

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Mar 3, 2002, 4:25:49 PM3/3/02
to
In article <3C80599B...@seatraveler.com>, Steve Kramer
<st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:

> After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
> You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> LTD' located at
> http://www.photoenvisions.com

Congratulations, Steve! I'm very pleased for you.

Miche

--
And you may say to yourself "Well -- how did I get here?"
-- Talking Heads, _Once in a Lifetime_

Harry A. Demidavicius

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Mar 3, 2002, 4:33:32 PM3/3/02
to
On 03 Mar 2002 01:40:03 GMT, penm...@aol.como (PENMART01)
wrote:

..... They probably walk on stilts ......
I just lost a keyboard here! ROFLMAO!
Harry
Outgoing mail virus scanned

Steve Kramer

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Mar 3, 2002, 7:27:01 PM3/3/02
to
"Harry A. Demidavicius" wrote:
>
> On 03 Mar 2002 01:40:03 GMT, penm...@aol.como (PENMART01)
> wrote:
>
> >Arch wrote:
> >>
> >>The "Karen" pic gives me the creeps!
> >
> >Not me... they just pique my curiosity. But I do find those beauties quite
> >intimidating... I imagine them being the ultimate deep throaters and them
> >pointing and giggling when they see all I got is a measly eight inches. So,
> >Steve... didja ever get to witness the secret wedding ritual? I Imagine those
> >Karen men with brass coils like Harley Davidson front fork spings on their
> >schlongs... they probably hafta walk on stilts. I need pictures! <G>

> ..... They probably walk on stilts ......
> I just lost a keyboard here! ROFLMAO!

I don't know about you, but Nobuko just about fell on the floor
laughing, even though it took her 5 minutes to get through the English.
Just the visual imagery of the Harley fork springs alone was hilarious!

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, four days, 1 hour, 26 minutes and 15
seconds. 38731 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,778.06. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 35 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 3, 2002, 7:32:05 PM3/3/02
to Janine
Janine wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> The site looks great! Thanks for the invite.

Thank you and you're welcome!

> As far as change notification goes, you might want to take a look here:
> http://www.netmind.com/members/webmaster_program.shtml

But mostly, THANK YOU for this!! Just what the doctor ordered!

> What great thing would you attempt if you knew you couldn't fail?

But... but... that's how I learned to fly. I just tried throwing myself
at the floor and missing...

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand


--
I wish to live my life deliberately, to front the essential facts
of life; to suck the very marrow of life and see if I can learn what it
has to teach, and not, when it comes my time to die, discover that I
have not lived.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 3, 2002, 7:35:26 PM3/3/02
to
Miche wrote:
>
> In article <3C80599B...@seatraveler.com>, Steve Kramer
> <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:
>
> > After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> > succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
> >
> > You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> > "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> > LTD' located at
> > http://www.photoenvisions.com
>
> Congratulations, Steve! I'm very pleased for you.

Thanks! I'm more than just a bit pleased myself! In fact, I can't stop
grinning. People are beginning to look at me strangely... (or did they
always, and I just never noticed before?)

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, four days, 1 hour, 35 minutes and 10
seconds. 38731 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,778.10. Life used for a


better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 35 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 3, 2002, 7:44:20 PM3/3/02
to
st...@temple.edu wrote:
>
> Steve Kramer <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:
> >
> > Slide film... in this case Provia 100. And I ALWAYS use either a tripod
> > or a monopod when I shoot, unless I'm just walking around doing my town
> > errands with a camera over my shoulder. ALWAYS USE A TRIPOD OR MONOPOD!
> > It makes a difference even at the higher shutter speeds.
>
> Thanks Steve for the technical photography details. Have you experimented with
> other films?

I use many; Velvia 50 for most outdoor landscape or flower photos where
vivid color is a must, Provia 400 for my walking around hand-held shots,
Fuji Superior for my color prints, Portra for my portrait photos, Kodak
Royal Gold 400 for my underwater shots... the list goes on... On an
average day of sight seeing in a new area, I'll shoot 8-10 rolls of
film.

> What about digital equipment? Some digital photographs I have seen
> are very impressive, but the equipment to shoot at that quality is well beyond my
> price range.

I'm currently looking at the Nikon D1x digital body. It can use all my
current lenses. But as you say, it IS pricey. About $5,500 for the body
alone. By the time you've added in the extra batteries, charger, media
cards, etc., it's up to about $7,000. Well beyond MY price range too,
which is why I'm just looking... until I win the lottery, that is.

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, four days, 1 hour, 42 minutes and 58
seconds. 38732 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,778.12. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 40 minutes.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 3, 2002, 7:47:15 PM3/3/02
to
BOB wrote:
> >
> I am completely lost when it comes to "Good" photographic equipment, but I
> don't thin that you would have to give up your Nikon lenses. I met a
> photographer for one of the news services at the Cape about a year ago. He
> was just starting to use digital. He had a Nikon digital that used the same
> lenses as his 35mm format cameras. I seem to remember that the price for
> the camera body itself was in the 2 to 3 thousand dollar range, though. I
> bet those pictures would be beyond belief.

That would be the D1H. Very nice, but the resolution is a bit low. Only
2.5 megapixels if I remember correctly. I want the D1X with 5.5
megapixels... THAT is a camera!! *grin*

Actually, Fuji makes a new camera that will accept Nikon lenses as well,
at a price half that of Nikon.

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, four days, 1 hour, 46 minutes and 15
seconds. 38732 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,778.14. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, 40 minutes.

Dimitri

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Mar 3, 2002, 8:03:37 PM3/3/02
to

"Steve Kramer" <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
news:3C80599B...@seatraveler.com...

> After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
> You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> LTD' located at
> http://www.photoenvisions.com
>
> Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
> graphics involved in the first pages, but once each gallery is loaded,
> the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
> opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
> gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy
>
> Steve Kramer
> "PhotoEnvisions"
> Chiang Mai, Thailand

<Snip>

Beautiful, just beautiful.

Thank you for sharing your talent...........


Dimitri


BOB

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Mar 3, 2002, 8:12:52 PM3/3/02
to

"Steve Kramer" <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
news:3C82C413...@seatraveler.com...

> BOB wrote:
> > >
> > I am completely lost when it comes to "Good" photographic equipment, but
I
> > don't thin that you would have to give up your Nikon lenses. I met a
> > photographer for one of the news services at the Cape about a year ago.
He
> > was just starting to use digital. He had a Nikon digital that used the
same
> > lenses as his 35mm format cameras. I seem to remember that the price
for
> > the camera body itself was in the 2 to 3 thousand dollar range, though.
I
> > bet those pictures would be beyond belief.
>
> That would be the D1H. Very nice, but the resolution is a bit low. Only
> 2.5 megapixels if I remember correctly. I want the D1X with 5.5
> megapixels... THAT is a camera!! *grin*
>
> Actually, Fuji makes a new camera that will accept Nikon lenses as well,
> at a price half that of Nikon.
>
> Steve
> Chiang Mai, Thailand
>
ONLY 2.5 megapixels...mumble,mumble, mumble...
I wouldn't know...I was in awe, just being allowed to hold a LENS that
probably cost more than I make in a year. But it WOULD fit my old F3.
BOB
By the way, your pictures are Fantastic!


Janine

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Mar 4, 2002, 4:53:14 AM3/4/02
to
Steve Kramer wrote:

> The Hackett Family wrote:
> >
> > Ohhhhh Ssssstttttteeeeevvvvvveeeeeee...
> >
> > Your photographs are INCREDIBLE!!! Please either adopt me or hire me as
> > your Girl Friday!!
>
> In fact, I AM looking for an assistant... I'm getting tired of
> schlepping all this gear around. It was so much easier when I just had
> my "Instamatic!'
>
> > Your "eye" for pictures is amazing!! If I had a larger
> > monitor I could have felt as though I was right there! Pardon me if I'm not
> > gushing properly... I was/am truly in awe. God has created some beautiful
> > people and places and you really have the gift for showing it!
>
> Thanks! Plenty more sitting on the shelf behind me, (about 3,000...)
> awaiting the scanner. I can only scan in about 50 slides a day, as I use
> a VERY high resolution and make 16 scan passes on each slide to average
> out the results.
>
> > Side note about the ladies with the brass rings around their necks.
> [SNIP]
> > Apparently, your/hers (etc) body's skeletal structure change shape to
> > accommodate the rings... her collar bone and upper ribs appeared to be
> > shaped like that of an oxen's yoke; rather like an upside down "u" with
> > upturned edges...


>
> People originally thought that their necks were actually stretching, but
> x-rays confirm that the collar bones and ribs below are being pressed

> down instead. I've seen the x-rays taken of them myself. They are on
> display at one of the national museums dedicated to all the various hill
> tribes. After removing the rings for a length of time, these bones
> actually begin to revert to their correct position. Several of the
> younger women have left the villages and removed their rings to better
> fit in with modern city life.
>
> > Steve, thank you so much for sharing your images. I wish you much continued
> > success and can't wait to see even more photographs. Please forgive my
> > greediness! <G>
>
> My pleasure. And when you are ready to carry 50lbs of camera lenses
> while climbing steep mountains, let me know. I'll be happy to have you
> along!
>
> Steve
> Chiang Mai, Thailand
>
> Three years, six months, one week, three days, 3 hours, 14 minutes and
> 12 seconds. 38704 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,773.21. Life used for
> a better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 20 minutes.


>
> --
> I wish to live my life deliberately, to front the essential facts
> of life; to suck the very marrow of life and see if I can learn what it
> has to teach, and not, when it comes my time to die, discover that I
> have not lived.

Here are x-rays:
http://www.djparadisetour.com/MaeHongSon/esecret.html

Looks damned uncomfortable to me. I don't even like bra straps pressing on my
shoulders!

~Janine
--

PENMART01

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Janine writes:

>Looks damned uncomfortable to me. I don't even like bra straps pressing on
>my shoulders!

I don't like bra straps pressing on your shoulders either... may I? ;)

LizC

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On Sat, 02 Mar 2002 11:48:27 +0700, Steve Kramer
<st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:

>After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
>succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
>You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
>"PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
>LTD' located at
>http://www.photoenvisions.com
>
>Please be patient as this is a VERY slow site to open due to all the
>graphics involved in the first pages, but once each gallery is loaded,
>the individual photos are VERY FAST to open and view. And in 'my'
>opinion, worth the wait!! *grin* Sorry, no wine or cheese for this
>gallery opening. Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy


It's beautiful - brings back lots of memories.

Liz

Liz & the rottie riot squad
Cecil, Jack and the grrrrls,
Janni, Chrome & The Dixie Flatline
take out the dog to mail

Steve Kramer

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Mar 4, 2002, 10:04:46 AM3/4/02
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Thanks, Bob. But good lenses make taking good pictures a LOT easier.
They don't do all the work, but they sure make what you do do a lot
clearer.


Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, four days, 16 hours, 4 minutes and 23
seconds. 38750 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,781.26. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 10 minutes.

JEF.

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"Steve Kramer" wrote
> ...Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy

Surely an understatement...
Very nice, Steve; I envy you the experience of *actually* seeing these
places and folks up close. You've a very good eye for composition, too.

Not sure if you've been asked or answered this already, but do you use film
or digital camera(s)? I've been thinking of making the jump from my old
coal-burning Pentax 35mm SLR to something digital, and would appreciate any
feedback you might care to offer.

JEF.

Steve Kramer

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Mar 4, 2002, 8:07:02 PM3/4/02
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"JEF." wrote:
>
> "Steve Kramer" wrote
> > ...Just some nice photos from around the world. Enjoy
>
> Surely an understatement...

Thanks! I appreciate the feedback.

> Not sure if you've been asked or answered this already, but do you use film
> or digital camera(s)? I've been thinking of making the jump from my old
> coal-burning Pentax 35mm SLR to something digital, and would appreciate any
> feedback you might care to offer.

At this time I'm using only film. But I am looking at digital cameras
too. There are situations where each would be valuable, and compliment
each other. It really depends on the final usage of the output. For the
average 'snapshot' shooter, the better digital cameras a certainly the
way to go to capture the moment with more instant feedback and less
hassle . Digital will not 'replace' film,' but will surely go hand and
hand with it.

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, five days, 1 hour, 47 minutes and 30
seconds. 38762 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,783.39. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, 10 minutes.

Shankar Bhattacharyya

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" BOB" <sail...@prodigy.net> wrote in
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>> > I am completely lost when it comes to "Good" photographic

>> > equipment ...

> I wouldn't know...I was in awe, just being allowed to hold a LENS
> that probably cost more than I make in a year. But it WOULD fit my
> old F3.

I don't think the owner of an old F3 should be talking about being
completely lost when it comes to "Good" photographic equipment.

- Shankar (who has an F-1, an F2 and a Rollei TLR but takes at least
half his pictures with an N60 nowadays. Oh, the shame.)

Steve Kramer

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Shankar Bhattacharyya wrote:

> I don't think the owner of an old F3 should be talking about being
> completely lost when it comes to "Good" photographic equipment.
>
> - Shankar (who has an F-1, an F2 and a Rollei TLR but takes at least
> half his pictures with an N60 nowadays. Oh, the shame.)

I miss my "Instamatic..."


Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, one week, five days, 11 hours, 28 minutes and 5
seconds. 38774 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,785.51. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 15 hours, 10 minutes.

C Brevis

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Mar 5, 2002, 1:34:23 PM3/5/02
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Previously, in rfc, Steve Kramer <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:

> After 8 months of hard work and lots of frustration, I have finally
> succeeded in creating and opening my Thai registered business.
>
> You are all cordially invited to the formal Gallery opening of:
> "PhotoEnvisions," the photography division of 'Mountain Thunderbird Co.,
> LTD' located at
> http://www.photoenvisions.com
>


How wonderful! Thank you so much for sharing your galleries, and for
providing the followup URL's to your other pages. I've just spent a good
long time viewing your photographs and reading your pages, and will return
with my sons to explore some more!

Fast loading and fantastic. I especially loved reading about the turtles
(I'm mom to 4 box turtles) and you new gallery people pictures are
fascinating...the schoolboys are gorgeous. What faces!

thanks. :)

Tina Mongkolsmai

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Mar 6, 2002, 6:45:18 PM3/6/02
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Steve,

Oh, I just took a look, very nice :)

Did you visit less-touristy places to see hill tribes? We never made it to
Chiang Mai (relatives said don't go because of border problems at the time)
so we didn't get to Mae Hong Son as initially we'd hoped.

Have you visited there?

Of course when I looked at the pictures I thought more about my relatives :)
I noticed there are pictures of ice cream in the background of one of the
photos...

I'm jealous of all the food you could eat there... Khao neow every day...
kuay teow, fresh fruit!

How's your access to Mon Thong Durian Guan? (the dried durian fruit made
into a pulp and squeezed into tubes) Ooh, that stuff is good. My mom sent
me some and my husband said to go eat it outside! I ate it in the car.. the
next day, the car smelled great :)

Tina

Steve Kramer

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Tina Mongkolsmai wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Oh, I just took a look, very nice :)
>
> Did you visit less-touristy places to see hill tribes? We never made it to
> Chiang Mai (relatives said don't go because of border problems at the time)
> so we didn't get to Mae Hong Son as initially we'd hoped.

We still haven't been to the Mae Hong Son area. We manage to find enough
border wars and massacres 2 hours due north of us... No need to drive
west for seven. But the villages we visit are of both varieties; tourist
and non tourist.

Frankly, for the better photos, it's the tourist villages that are more
attractive. I really don't want so many pictures of very, very dirty
looking children running around in ripped and torn clothing, while their
parents are passed out sleeping off an opium dream. I've already taken
'those' pics and as you noticed, I didn't put them up on the site. I'll
put some up separately and send you the URL if you want to see them.

That photo of the three very cute little hill tribe girls doesn't show
what followed immediately afterwards; the three of them looking like the
stereotype of refugee kids with their hands held up begging for money
and the saddest most hang-dog expressions on their faces. I took that
shot too, but it didn't come out as clearly as the first as they were
moving quickly to pander to every foreigner within reach. Reality is a
bitch.



> Of course when I looked at the pictures I thought more about my relatives :)
> I noticed there are pictures of ice cream in the background of one of the
> photos...

"Walls" ice cream is found all over SE Asia and is delicious! But we
have Haggen Daz, Baskin Robbins, Dairy Queen, and Swensons too. All we
lack is Ben and Jerry's.

> I'm jealous of all the food you could eat there... Khao neow every day...
> kuay teow, fresh fruit!

The foods ARE fantastic. And we eat at least one or two Thai meals every
day. And as an ex-New Yorker, I can NOT pass up a street vendor without
trying their wares. I think 'street foods' are the essence of any
country. And I can now say "Immodium" in seven languages.

> How's your access to Mon Thong Durian Guan? (the dried durian fruit made
> into a pulp and squeezed into tubes) Ooh, that stuff is good. My mom sent
> me some and my husband said to go eat it outside! I ate it in the car.. the
> next day, the car smelled great :)

I prefer fresh durian. I like the consistency better, and there are
always trucks parked everywhere selling them. But mangosteen and longon
are still my preferred fruits. It's nice to be able to afford to eat
fruit again. One durian in Japan cost about $100 US. One here costs
about a buck. For a large one.

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, two weeks, one day, 1 hour, 25 minutes and 33
seconds. 38851 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,799.06. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 35 minutes.

Tina Mongkolsmai

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"Steve Kramer" <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote in message
news:3C880521...@seatraveler.com...

> That photo of the three very cute little hill tribe girls doesn't show
> what followed immediately afterwards; the three of them looking like the
> stereotype of refugee kids with their hands held up begging for money
> and the saddest most hang-dog expressions on their faces. I took that
> shot too, but it didn't come out as clearly as the first as they were
> moving quickly to pander to every foreigner within reach. Reality is a
> bitch.

That's sad. I am a wimp about reality, so I probably don't crave seeing
such pictures.. but it is a reminder about how lucky I am.

> "Walls" ice cream is found all over SE Asia and is delicious! But we
> have Haggen Daz, Baskin Robbins, Dairy Queen, and Swensons too. All we
> lack is Ben and Jerry's.

My cousins and I looked at prices at a Haagen Daaz once in .. where was
that.. ahhh one of the upper-levels of a shopping place. It was
outrageous... something like $3 per scoop. Insane! I think we ended up
with Swensens instead..

> The foods ARE fantastic. And we eat at least one or two Thai meals every
> day. And as an ex-New Yorker, I can NOT pass up a street vendor without
> trying their wares. I think 'street foods' are the essence of any
> country. And I can now say "Immodium" in seven languages.

Again, I'm sooo jealous. I think I'll go make some kuay teow reur at home.
(packaged noodles mixed with refrigerated stuff probably)

> I prefer fresh durian. I like the consistency better, and there are
> always trucks parked everywhere selling them. But mangosteen and longon
> are still my preferred fruits. It's nice to be able to afford to eat
> fruit again. One durian in Japan cost about $100 US. One here costs
> about a buck. For a large one.
>
> Steve
> Chiang Mai, Thailand

Lucky. I'm very fond of mang-kut.. lamyai is OK if it's fresh (sometimes
it's easy to get a weird-tasting one in a good bunch). My mom really likes
luuk than but fresh palm fruit of good quality is quite hard to find.

If I vacationed there too long I'd gain tons of weight... My list of foods I
want to eat could keep me busy for months. What's the going rate for a bowl
of kuay teow now? The places where the average person eats two bowls or
more?

Tina

ari...@pepper.eajenkins.earthlink.net

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:26:09 +0700, Steve Kramer <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:

>The foods ARE fantastic. And we eat at least one or two Thai meals every
>day. And as an ex-New Yorker, I can NOT pass up a street vendor without
>trying their wares. I think 'street foods' are the essence of any
>country. And I can now say "Immodium" in seven languages.

*laughs* Very useful, I'd imagine. I never leave home
without it! The SO and I would love to take a tour of Asia someday,
definitely including the country of my birth--Malaysia. Maybe if my
parents went back, we'd tag along. I have a million relatives there
and I think I'd appreciate the food better than the last time I
visited, at age 12.

>I prefer fresh durian. I like the consistency better, and there are
>always trucks parked everywhere selling them. But mangosteen and longon
>are still my preferred fruits. It's nice to be able to afford to eat
>fruit again. One durian in Japan cost about $100 US. One here costs
>about a buck. For a large one.

My dad was waxing nostalgic about durian the other evening...
He says the ones we find here aren't as good. Durians from Thailand,
he claims are good, but milder in flavor than the ones from Malaysia.
Any comments re: the difference? I haven't been able to acquire a
taste for them, myself.

Ariane

Hag & Stenni

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Mar 8, 2002, 2:38:05 AM3/8/02
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My mom LOVEs them, Me - well I had the opportunity to taste
at the recent "taste of the Asia's" festival here, and I
just couldnt get past the smell...But I will try and nerve
myself up for the upcomming Food festival in April and try
to taste one again...LOL....Hag k


The answer to the "men only want to protect women"
spiel is in a great quote by Dr. Mary Edwards Walker
Civil War Medal of Honor recipient - "You men are
not our protectors... If you were, who would there
be to protect us from?"

"Be All You Can Be - Unless You're a Woman" ??

can the spam to reply...

Steve Kramer

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Mar 8, 2002, 3:18:36 AM3/8/02
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Tina Mongkolsmai wrote:
>
> My cousins and I looked at prices at a Haagen Daaz once in .. where was
> that.. ahhh one of the upper-levels of a shopping place. It was
> outrageous... something like $3 per scoop.

That's the price for a Haagan Daaz bar in any 7-11 in Japan... By the
way, did you know that the name "Haagan Daaz" was simply made up for
marketing purposes. Easier to sell to the up-scale consumer at higher
prices that "Joe Schmoe's"

> Insane! I think we ended up
> with Swensens instead..

Personally, I prefer Swensens to all EXCEPT Ben and Jerrys. But that
could be because I know them personally from living in Vermont while
they were still behind the counter of their converted dinner making ice
cream themselves.

>
> Lucky. I'm very fond of mang-kut.. lamyai is OK if it's fresh

We've a huge lamyai tree in our front yard... I can't wait!

> What's the going rate for a bowl
> of kuay teow now? The places where the average person eats two bowls or
> more?

About 20¢ a bowl here, and about 75¢ in S'pore. More if you want some
chicken or pork in it. About $6.95 in Japan... but that includes 'clean'
chopsticks. :o)

Steve

Steve Kramer

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Mar 8, 2002, 3:23:12 AM3/8/02
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ari...@pepper.eajenkins.earthlink.net wrote:

>
> My dad was waxing nostalgic about durian the other evening...
> He says the ones we find here aren't as good. Durians from Thailand,
> he claims are good, but milder in flavor than the ones from Malaysia.
> Any comments re: the difference? I haven't been able to acquire a
> taste for them, myself.

I prefer the Malay durians myself. But they've got to be exactly ripe.
And I mean exactly. It's fun to watch durian connoisseurs trying to
discern the best of the batch. Each swears he knows the 'only way' to
tell! LOL! For me, I'm happy if the vendor will just crack one open
enough for me to get a finger in. If it's just a bit firmer than soft
ice cream, it's just right for me! But... I'll still take a cold
mangosteen 10 to 1 over any durian!

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand


Three years, six months, two weeks, one day, 9 hours, 22 minutes and 58
seconds. 38861 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,800.80. Life used for a
better purpose: 19 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 25 minutes.

Tina Mongkolsmai

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<ari...@pepper.eajenkins.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:slrna8ggs2....@pepper.eajenkins.earthlink.net...

> On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:26:09 +0700, Steve Kramer <st...@seatraveler.com>
wrote:>
> My dad was waxing nostalgic about durian the other evening...
> He says the ones we find here aren't as good. Durians from Thailand,
> he claims are good, but milder in flavor than the ones from Malaysia.
> Any comments re: the difference? I haven't been able to acquire a
> taste for them, myself.
>
> Ariane

Ariane,

My family (all relatives) agree that Mon Thong Durian is the best, so that
the Mon Thong Durian Guan preserve is the best too. It still has a strong
smell but the flavor is very, very good, less smelly when you're actually
eating, it smells sweet going in. It's when you walk away and come back
that you notice the smell being strong.

I'm not a huge fan of most durian but I really, really like this kind.

Tina


ari...@pepper.eajenkins.earthlink.net

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On Fri, 08 Mar 2002 15:23:12 +0700, Steve Kramer <st...@seatraveler.com> wrote:

>I prefer the Malay durians myself. But they've got to be exactly ripe.
>And I mean exactly. It's fun to watch durian connoisseurs trying to
>discern the best of the batch. Each swears he knows the 'only way' to
>tell! LOL! For me, I'm happy if the vendor will just crack one open
>enough for me to get a finger in. If it's just a bit firmer than soft
>ice cream, it's just right for me! But... I'll still take a cold
>mangosteen 10 to 1 over any durian!

When we went back to visit, I couldn't get enough fresh
lychees or--especially--rambutans. For people who have no idea what
this is: They look like something from another planet. Roughly the
size of a kiwi fruit, but red and green in color, with strange wispy
tendrils all over it. The flesh is slightly translucent, and so sweet
and juicy! And none of the off-putting smell of durian. ;)

Ariane

Rhonda Anderson

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Mar 9, 2002, 12:25:45 AM3/9/02
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ari...@pepper.eajenkins.earthlink.net () wrote in
news:slrna8iics....@pepper.eajenkins.earthlink.net:

> When we went back to visit, I couldn't get enough fresh
> lychees or--especially--rambutans. For people who have no idea what
> this is: They look like something from another planet. Roughly the
> size of a kiwi fruit, but red and green in color, with strange wispy
> tendrils all over it. The flesh is slightly translucent, and so sweet
> and juicy! And none of the off-putting smell of durian. ;)

Are you not able to get fresh lychee and rambutan in the US? I'm just
jumping to conclusions here since you say that you couldn' get enough when
you went back to visit. I've tried lychee, but not rambutan - but I can buy
both in the fruit and veg section of my local Woolworths supermarket - they
have a section for "exotic fruit". A lot of these tropical fruits are grown
in northern Australia and shipped to other parts of the country. I would
have thought that these sort of fruits might be grown in warmer parts of
the US and shipped to other states. Just out of curiosity, what sort of
fruits would you normally find in your supermarket?

--
Rhonda Anderson
Penrith, NSW, Australia

Nina S. Hevern

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Mar 9, 2002, 2:33:43 AM3/9/02
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ari...@pepper.eajenkins.earthlink.net wrote:


Steve,

IIRC (last visit home to Malaysia was in December '96), some durian
vendors cut a triangle into the skin of the durian so that you can touch
the flesh to determine the ripeness; sort of like buying a watermelon!

I guess I'm extremely Westernized as I can't stomach the smell or taste
of durians anymore. Growing up though, I loved durian rice -- durians
mushed in rice with coconut milk and a sprinkling of sugar. Ugh! I
can't even imagine eating that now.

And have you ever had tempoyak? The Malaysian equivalent of aged cheese
made from fermented durian. My Mom loves it . . . I made plans to eat
out whenever she had a hankering for it.

Mangosteens I still love . . . aren't they just a beautiful fruit? From
the gorgeous burgundy shell to the sweet milky white flesh . . . mmmmmm.

Arianne, are you from Malaysia? Your response above leads to me assume
that.


Cheers,

Nina

Steve Kramer

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Mar 9, 2002, 8:16:44 AM3/9/02
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"Nina S. Hevern" wrote:

> I guess I'm extremely Westernized as I can't stomach the smell or taste
> of durians anymore. Growing up though, I loved durian rice -- durians
> mushed in rice with coconut milk and a sprinkling of sugar. Ugh! I
> can't even imagine eating that now.

I'll stick with mangos and sticky rice with coconut milk, thank you...
*grin*

> Mangosteens I still love . . . aren't they just a beautiful fruit? From
> the gorgeous burgundy shell to the sweet milky white flesh . . . mmmmmm.

I heard a rumor that Queen Victoria offered 50,000 pieces of gold to
anyone who could bring her a fresh mangosteen. I agree with her 100%!
There is no fruit quite as good.

I can remember trying to figure out how to eat one myself the first time
I was in Singapore. I was sitting in a hawker's center near the Albert
Street complex, clawing my way through the 1/2" thick skin with my
fingernails, and wondering if the effort was worth the tastes, when a
friendly couple sitting at the table showed me the 'correct way' to open
one! It took my 5 minutes to stop laughing, imagining THEM trying to
control THEIR laughter at my efforts opening the previous two or three
that I had already eaten. Two fingers; one on top and one one the bottom
and give a little squeeze. POP!

Steve
Chiang Mai, Thailand

Three years, six months, two weeks, two days, 14 hours, 14 minutes and
55 seconds. 38897 cigarettes not smoked, saving $6,807.11. Life used for
a better purpose: 19 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, 25 minutes.

ari...@pepper.eajenkins.earthlink.net

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On Sat, 09 Mar 2002 05:25:45 GMT, Rhonda Anderson

>Are you not able to get fresh lychee and rambutan in the US? I'm just
>jumping to conclusions here since you say that you couldn' get enough when
>you went back to visit. I've tried lychee, but not rambutan - but I can buy
>both in the fruit and veg section of my local Woolworths supermarket - they
>have a section for "exotic fruit". A lot of these tropical fruits are grown
>in northern Australia and shipped to other parts of the country. I would
>have thought that these sort of fruits might be grown in warmer parts of
>the US and shipped to other states. Just out of curiosity, what sort of
>fruits would you normally find in your supermarket?

I've seen both lychees and rambutan, but not very often--not
even at local Asian groceries. Granted, I haven't been looking all
that hard because I don't know what the quality would be like. The
rambutans I've seen looked rather tired, like they'd been sitting
around a while. :(

Here (Ohio) it can be challenging to find the more exotic
things. I do see starfruit at Meijers and papaya can be obtained at
the Asian groceries, although I haven't tried it, either.

Ariane

ari...@pepper.eajenkins.earthlink.net

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Mar 9, 2002, 8:28:29 PM3/9/02
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On Sat, 09 Mar 2002 07:33:43 GMT, Nina S. Hevern <nin...@pacbell.net> wrote:
[snip]

>Arianne, are you from Malaysia? Your response above leads to me assume
>that.

Yes. I'm Chinese, but my parents were born and raised in
Malaysia, where I was also born. They came to the US when I was a
baby though, so I don't have any memories of the country aside from
the family vacation we took there when I was 12. Neat place, though,
I'd love to go back someday. :)

Ariane

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