Italian sausage with anise/fennel seed
Scott
out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
sausage. To me it has a black liquorice taste that I can't stand. I
think I've narrow it down to either anise or fennel seed.
-ss
JoeSpareBedroom
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Yes. Lots of spicy sausages have fennel seeds. It provides a nice
counterpoint to the hot spices.
Melba's Jammin'
Scott <sws...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fennel. Pretty common in Italian sausage recipes. I don't notice the
flavor unless I bite a seed.
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I caught a blast of fennel on a piece of Domino's pizza last weekend. It had
sausage on it. (And was twice as good reheated in the toaster oven so that
the bottom crust was crispy .... best Domino's I've had in ages.)
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Domino's pizza? Nothing real in your town?
Scott
JoeSpareBedroom
This is true. I heard a comedian make the same comment once about Denny's.
The perfect place for late night drunks. Almost everything on the menu is
listed with a photograph. All the customer needs to do is point to a picture
and grunt. :-)
cybercat
"JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> Domino's pizza? Nothing real in your town?
Yeah, yeah, I've read all the comments.
sf
Different strokes. I love fennel in Italian sausage. That's what
makes it Italian.... in fact, I love hot Italian sausage. Not on
pizza (I take mine vegetarian or with ground chicken), but in a hot
steak bun with slices of avocado, tomato and onion.
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Sheldon
> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
> out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
> sausage.
Um, I hate to be the one to break it to you but at any pizzaria all
the fresh sausage is pork and Italian style both... they're one and
the same... I've never yet seen a pizzaria or any Italian restaurant
that offers both pork sausage and Italian sausage... only choice is
hot or sweet... the menu just says "sausage", that's it's pork/Italian
is a given. And I've never seen Italian sausage without fennel seeds,
that's what makes Italian sausage Italian saw-seege. I don't
particularly care for Italian sausage made with anise seeds (much too
powerful a licorice flavor), in fact I consider that an bastardization
and it's not true Italian sausage... real Italian saw-seege is made
with fennel seed.
Dave Smith
Fennel seed is a common ingredient in Italian sausage. Some makers of the
stuff have the decency to used ground fennel seed instead of whole, and as
far as I am concerned, it could easily be left out.
Giusi
I swear that in 6.5 years I have never bought an Italian sausage in
Italy with fennel seed unless it said con finocchio or in the case of
one salami, it says finocchione.
It may very well be regional and from regions that have supplied more
immigrants to the US than most.
Janet B.
"cybercat" <cyber...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> I caught a blast of fennel on a piece of Domino's pizza last weekend. It
> had sausage on it. (And was twice as good reheated in the toaster oven so
> that the bottom crust was crispy .... best Domino's I've had in ages.)
>
had from them. So much so that I was considering calling the manager and
asking if they had changed ingredients. And, no, no real pizza joints here,
just a choice of chains.
Janet
JoeSpareBedroom
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> Domino's pizza? Nothing real in your town?
>
> Yeah, yeah, I've read all the comments.
Around here, Domino's was the favorite of parents who were hosting kid
parties, and figured the kids wouldn't give a hoot what they were served. I
have some experience with their "pizza". I never understood how a slice of
plain pizza (sauce and cheese ONLY) could ooze 1/4 cup of oil.
jmcquown
> Scott wrote:
>> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
>> out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
>> sausage.
>
> Um, I hate to be the one to break it to you but at any pizzaria all
> the fresh sausage is pork and Italian style both... they're one and
> the same... I've never yet seen a pizzaria or any Italian restaurant
> that offers both pork sausage and Italian sausage... only choice is
> hot or sweet... the menu just says "sausage", that's it's pork/Italian
Maybe where you live, Sheldon. You need to break out of your microcosm for
just a few minutes. In the south we can order sausage on pizza which is
most definitely *not* Italian sausage in any way, shape or form. It's bulk
breakfast sausage (aka Jimmy Dean's or Bryan country sausage). Italian
sausage is most definitely a separate topping choice. And they don't ask if
you want hot or sweet, either. It's always the sweet stuff.
Jill
Pan Ohco
>> Hey Domino's is good if you've been drinking and nothing else is open.
Didn't you ever hear of White Castle, or am I showing my age?
jmcquown
I like the taste of fennel but as Barb pointed out, if you bite into a seed
you really notice the taste. I'd much prefer they use ground fennel.
Jill
jmcquown
Down south, the alternative to White Castle is Krystal's. Not identical but
the idea is the same - small burgers, square buns :) That was the place to
go after a night on the town!
Jill
Puester
Fennel. Love it.
gloria p
Scott
> Scott wrote:
>> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
>> out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
>> sausage.
>
> Um, I hate to be the one to break it to you but at any pizzaria all
> the fresh sausage is pork and Italian style both... they're one and
> the same... I've never yet seen a pizzaria or any Italian restaurant
> that offers both pork sausage and Italian sausage... only choice is
> hot or sweet... the menu just says "sausage", that's it's pork/Italian
> is a given.
Papa Johns: Spicy Italian Sausage or Sausage
Pizza Hut: Italian Sausage or Pork Topping
And I've never seen Italian sausage without fennel seeds,
> that's what makes Italian sausage Italian saw-seege. I don't
> particularly care for Italian sausage made with anise seeds (much too
> powerful a licorice flavor), in fact I consider that an bastardization
> and it's not true Italian sausage... real Italian saw-seege is made
> with fennel seed.
>
Then I guess it's the anise that I don't like.
ravenlynne
We used to think of Taco Bell that way.
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notbob
> have some experience with their "pizza". I never understood how a slice of
> plain pizza (sauce and cheese ONLY) could ooze 1/4 cup of oil.
Fake cheese, typically made from vegetable oil.
nb
Gil Faver
I'm with you. I think it is a regional thing, like pepper flakes being more
southern Italy. I have actually had a sausage with fennel or anise that was
good, but it has just the tiniest amount. It is so easy to overdo . . .
When my family makes salciaccia from scratch, no fennel, no anise, no pepper
flakes. But we are from the north.
Peter A
says...
Fennel seed practically defines Italian sausage, at least the sausage
commonly sold in the US as Italian sausage. Without fennel it is not
Italian sausage.
--
Peter Aitken
Peter A
says...
> I like the taste of fennel but as Barb pointed out, if you bite into a seed
> you really notice the taste.
>
Gosh, heaven forbid that we should notice any tastes while eating.
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George
last Pizza Hut closed some months back and I am not sure how Dominoes
stays in business. Whenever I drive past the local one the counter kid
is leaning on the counter waiting for business while the mom & pop
places a block away often have people waiting to get in.
Andy
> Hey Domino's is good if you've been drinking and nothing else is open.
Ellen Degeneres did a funny bit recently. She was being shown a $29 million
mansion for sale in Bel Air, CA. They arrived at the beautiful, huge kitchen
and her crew had propped some domino pizza boxes on one of the island
counters. Ellen read the name as Do-MEE-nos, pronouncing it with a pseudo-
Italian (?) accent and with an air of sophistication a few times for effect.
It was hilarious.
Do-MEE-nos!
Andy
George
jmcquown
Read what I wrote, Peter. I *like* the taste of fennel. It's much stronger
if you bite into the seed. I want to taste the meld of flavours, not just
fennel seed.
Blinky the Shark
>
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishbo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:f2HZh.7603$B25....@news01.roc.ny...
>>> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to
>>> figure out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over
>>> Italian sausage. To me it has a black liquorice taste that I can't
>>> stand. I think I've narrow it down to either anise or fennel seed.
>>>
>>
>> Yes. Lots of spicy sausages have fennel seeds. It provides a nice
>> counterpoint to the hot spices.
>
> It had sausage on it. (And was twice as good reheated in the toaster
> oven so that the bottom crust was crispy .... best Domino's I've had
> in ages.)
I love Usenet. I've always considered liquorice and anise to be about
the same thing. I don't care for either. Then there's this dictionary
def of anise: "liquorice-flavored seeds or oil used in cookies or cakes
or pickles". But here I learn that that flavor in sausage is from
fennel. Now there's something else in the category for me not to care
for. :)
(But I've never met a sausage I didn't like. Go figger.)
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Peter A
That's not what you wrote.
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jmcquown
Oh bite me ;) "I like the taste of fennel". You're tilting at windmills
pretending you don't comprehend my meaning.
JoeSpareBedroom
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Anything to win an argument, even if one does not exist.
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> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
> out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
> sausage. To me it has a black liquorice taste that I can't stand. I
> think I've narrow it down to either anise or fennel seed.
Fennel, which is one reason wsy I like Italian sausage.
Brian
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Default User
> I like the taste of fennel but as Barb pointed out, if you bite into
> a seed you really notice the taste.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Peter A
says...
> >> Read what I wrote, Peter. I *like* the taste of fennel. It's much
> >> stronger if you bite into the seed. I want to taste the meld of
> >> flavours, not just fennel seed.
> >>
> >
> > That's not what you wrote.
>
> Oh bite me ;) "I like the taste of fennel". You're tilting at windmills
> pretending you don't comprehend my meaning.
>
You think one thing and write something else, and expect people to read
your mind.
I treat people on this group with respect and assume (until proven
otherwise) that they are smart and literate enough to write what they
mean. I don't think it's my place to assume that you or anyone else is
too ... shall we say limited ... to write what you actually mean.
Perhaps I am wrong.
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Dave Smith
>
>
> > Read what I wrote, Peter. I *like* the taste of fennel. It's much stronger
> > if you bite into the seed. I want to taste the meld of flavours, not just
> > fennel seed.
> >
>
> That's not what you wrote.
That was what it looked like to me...... bite into a seed and really notice
the taste, as opposed to the taste being distributed more evenly though the
sausage.
jmcquown
Let me spell it out for you. If I wanted to bite down on fennel seeds in
order to taste fennel, I'd pop a bunch of fennel seeds in my mouth and chew
them up. I like the taste of fennel in Italian sausage. But I would prefer
they used ground fennel because I don't like biting down on the seeds and
having that sudden overwhelming taste of fennel above all else in the
sausage. Is that better? Because even if it's not, I'm done.
notbob
> I treat people on this group with respect and assume (until proven
> otherwise) that they are smart and literate enough to write what they
> mean.
I won't repeat the worn out old adage about "assume".
> I don't think it's my place to assume.....
You're running it into the ground.
> that you or anyone else is
> too ... shall we say limited ... to write what you actually mean.
> Perhaps I am wrong.
No, but you come off as a pompous boor. Not everyone is an English
major. But, I'm confident you're smart enough to read between the
lines and decipher what most folks mean to convey, whether they do or
not. If you want to be a crusty ol' curmudgeon, at least do it with
some humor and panache, not just the same ol' pendantic "I know more
than you" schtick. It's so boring. C'mon Pete, you're better than
that.
nb
Gil Faver
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ditto. pretty clear to me. as was the explanation. as was the explanation
of the explanation. duh.
Dave Smith
>
>
> > Fennel seed is a common ingredient in Italian sausage. Some makers of the
> > stuff have the decency to used ground fennel seed instead of whole, and as
> > far as I am concerned, it could easily be left out.
> >
>
> Fennel seed practically defines Italian sausage, at least the sausage
> commonly sold in the US as Italian sausage. Without fennel it is not
> Italian sausage.
That it true. It is an important ingredient in Italian sausage, but it is
not my favourite characteristic of Italian sausage. I don't care much for
sweet Italian sausage. I prefer the hot variety. I don't mind a bit of
fennel seed, but I prefer it to be ground and more evenly distributed than
having two bites with nothing and them one bite into a seed and get a
mouthful of fennel taste.
Blinky the Shark
Thirded. The original wasn't unclear about this.
cybercat
"Janet B." <nos...@cableone.net> wrote in message
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>>
> snip
>> I caught a blast of fennel on a piece of Domino's pizza last weekend. It
>> had sausage on it. (And was twice as good reheated in the toaster oven so
>> that the bottom crust was crispy .... best Domino's I've had in ages.)
>>
> had from them. So much so that I was considering calling the manager and
> asking if they had changed ingredients. And, no, no real pizza joints
> here, just a choice of chains.
> Janet
We eat at a place called Piccola Italia regularly that has been in Raleigh
for
at least 20 years. It is wonderful.
However, Domino's is perfectly delicious too, and they use real cheese, and
are not greasy etc. as so many people here claim. The crust has been
particularly
light in the last couple of orders, and the pizzas just "saucy" enough.
Plebian tastes:
I'm glad I have them, I get to be happy more than more discerning folks. :D
cybercat
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>
> I swear that in 6.5 years I have never bought an Italian sausage in Italy
> with fennel seed unless it said con finocchio or in the case of one
> salami, it says finocchione.
Oh yeah, well WHO CARES how they make Italian sausage in
Italy. Damned furriners. :D
Sheldon
> Sheldon wrote:
> > Scott wrote:
> >> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
> >> out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
> >> sausage.
>
> > the fresh sausage is pork and Italian style both... they're one and
> > the same... I've never yet seen a pizzaria or any Italian restaurant
> > that offers both pork sausage and Italian sausage... only choice is
> > hot or sweet... the menu just says "sausage", that's it's pork/Italian
>
> just a few minutes. In the south we can order sausage on pizza which is
> most definitely *not* Italian sausage in any way, shape or form. It's bulk
> breakfast sausage (aka Jimmy Dean's or Bryan country sausage). Italian
> sausage is most definitely a separate topping choice. And they don't ask if
> you want hot or sweet, either. It's always the sweet stuff.
>
> Jill
I won't discuss pizza with grits and hog jowls topping.
rosie
> "JoeSpareBedroom" <dishborea...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>
>
> > Domino's pizza? Nothing real in your town?
>
> Yeah, yeah, I've read all the comments.
I have never tasted pizza made in the US that tastes like real
Italian Pizza. Never. I wish I could find some, in the US the pizzas
all have the wrong kind of crust, there is too much stuff on top of
the pizza and it is just all wrong.. sigh...
Rosie
JoeSpareBedroom
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Where do you live? And/or, where in the U.S. did you try pizza?
Omelet
Scott <sws...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
> out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
> sausage. To me it has a black liquorice taste that I can't stand. I
> think I've narrow it down to either anise or fennel seed.
>
> -ss
Fennel.
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Dave Smith
>
> I have never tasted pizza made in the US that tastes like real
> Italian Pizza. Never. I wish I could find some, in the US the pizzas
> all have the wrong kind of crust, there is too much stuff on top of
> the pizza and it is just all wrong.. sigh...
I have only had pizza a few times in the US and it was basically the same
as I get here in Canada. The worst pizza I ever had, other than frozen
pizza, was in Italy.
cybercat
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cybercat
I had pizza in Venice, at one of the few restaurants an American can
find open during what they think of as "lunch time" when Italians are
doing, uh, other things. :)
It was good--less cheese, saucier, tasted fresher, thinner, lighter crust.
It wasn't anything to die for. (But the outdoor part of the restaurant,
on a terrace with grape vines overhead and a cat named Luna walking
on top of them was priceless.)
I'ver rarely met the pizza I don't like, except most frozen. I don't
eat much of it though because it is too filling.
Goomba38
> Fennel seed is a common ingredient in Italian sausage. Some makers of the
> stuff have the decency to used ground fennel seed instead of whole, and as
> far as I am concerned, it could easily be left out.
I would be very disappointed in Italian sausage without the fennel seeds
and replaced with ground fennel. I like them!
Goomba38
> Papa Johns: Spicy Italian Sausage or Sausage
> Pizza Hut: Italian Sausage or Pork Topping
"pork topping".. what a scary sounding ingredient. LOL
I actually don't like meat on my piz.. I like a thin crust with sliced
tomatoes (instead of a sauce if I can??) and good cheeses.
We have a superstition in trauma that forbids us to eat pizza at work.
When one has pizza the night goes to hell and back. I swear I've seen
the effects and it has always proven true. So it is a verbotten food.
Sometimes when we're ordering out (nightly, lol) we tempt the trauma
gods by ordering calzone instead...
JoeSpareBedroom
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> Scott wrote:
>
>> Papa Johns: Spicy Italian Sausage or Sausage
>> Pizza Hut: Italian Sausage or Pork Topping
>
> "pork topping".. what a scary sounding ingredient. LOL
Reminds me of the USDA white label po' folks giveaway food. Simple label:
"Pork". Dog food looked better. My roommate ate it every day for a month
after he lost his job.
Nancy Young
"The Kat" <ne...@katxyzkave.net> wrote
> On Tue, 01 May 2007 07:11:44 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 01 May 2007 08:07:32 -0500, Scott <sws...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
>>>out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
>>>sausage. To me it has a black liquorice taste that I can't stand. I
>>>think I've narrow it down to either anise or fennel seed.
>>>
>>Different strokes. I love fennel in Italian sausage.
> Amazing. 5+ replies and not ONE person mentioned that
> anise IS the 'licorice' flavor.
Fennel has that licorice thing going on, too.
nancy
John Kane
> >> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
> >> out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
> >> sausage.
>
> > the fresh sausage is pork and Italian style both... they're one and
> > the same... I've never yet seen a pizzaria or any Italian restaurant
> > that offers both pork sausage and Italian sausage... only choice is
> > hot or sweet... the menu just says "sausage", that's it's pork/Italian
>
> Maybe where you live, Sheldon. You need to break out of your microcosm for
> just a few minutes. In the south we can order sausage on pizza which is
> most definitely *not* Italian sausage in any way, shape or form. It's bulk
> breakfast sausage (aka Jimmy Dean's or Bryan country sausage). Italian
> sausage is most definitely a separate topping choice. And they don't ask if
> you want hot or sweet, either. It's always the sweet stuff.
>
> Jill
Eee YUK.. :)
John Kane
> On May 1, 10:32?am, "jmcquown" <jmcqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sheldon wrote:
> > > Scott wrote:
> > >> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
> > >> out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
> > >> sausage.
>
> > > Um, I hate to be the one to break it to you but at any pizzaria all
> > > the fresh sausage is pork and Italian style both... they're one and
> > > the same... I've never yet seen a pizzaria or any Italian restaurant
> > > that offers both pork sausage and Italian sausage... only choice is
> > > hot or sweet... the menu just says "sausage", that's it's pork/Italian
>
> > just a few minutes. ?In the south we can order sausage on pizza which is
> > most definitely *not* Italian sausage in any way, shape or form. ?It's bulk
> > breakfast sausage (aka Jimmy Dean's or Bryan country sausage). ?Italian
> > sausage is most definitely a separate topping choice. ?And they don't ask if
> > you want hot or sweet, either. ?It's always the sweet stuff.
>
> > Jill
>
> I won't discuss pizza with grits and hog jowls topping.
Pineapple is revolting enough.
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada
sf
wrote:
>On Tue, 01 May 2007 07:11:44 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 01 May 2007 08:07:32 -0500, Scott <sws...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
>>>out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
>>>sausage. To me it has a black liquorice taste that I can't stand. I
>>>think I've narrow it down to either anise or fennel seed.
>>>
>>Different strokes. I love fennel in Italian sausage.
>
>
>Amazing. 5+ replies and not ONE person mentioned that
>anise IS the 'licorice' flavor.
There's a reason. Italian sausage uses fennel, not anise. The OP
doesn't like the aniselike flavor of fennel seeds.
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> I've never really like most Italian sausages
I would bet most anything you are really talking about American-made
"Italian" sausages. In the totality of the rich Italian sausage world,
relatively few contain fennel, let alone anise.
Victor
Puester
>
>
> I have never tasted pizza made in the US that tastes like real
> Italian Pizza. Never. I wish I could find some, in the US the pizzas
> all have the wrong kind of crust, there is too much stuff on top of
> the pizza and it is just all wrong.. sigh...
>
> Rosie
>
And still they sell billions of dollars worth of it every year.
SOMEONE must like it!
gloria p
jmcquown
> On Tue, 01 May 2007 15:01:57 -0700, The Kat <ne...@katxyzkave.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 May 2007 07:11:44 -0700, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 01 May 2007 08:07:32 -0500, Scott <sws...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to
>>>> figure out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over
>>>> Italian sausage. To me it has a black liquorice taste that I can't
>>>> stand. I think I've narrow it down to either anise or fennel seed.
>>>>
>>> Different strokes. I love fennel in Italian sausage.
>>
>>
>> Amazing. 5+ replies and not ONE person mentioned that
>> anise IS the 'licorice' flavor.
>
> There's a reason. Italian sausage uses fennel, not anise. The OP
> doesn't like the aniselike flavor of fennel seeds.
Isn't anise (aka star anise) most commonly used in Asian cuisines? I
wouldn't expect to find it in Italian sausage.
Steve Pope
>I have never tasted pizza made in the US that tastes like real
>Italian Pizza. Never. I wish I could find some, in the US the pizzas
>all have the wrong kind of crust, there is too much stuff on top of
>the pizza and it is just all wrong.. sigh...
If you're in San Francisco go to A16. I promise, you will
not be disappointed.
Steve
rosie
Lots and lots of people love it, they do not know what they are
missing tho -LOL
Rosie
Christine Dabney
And if you are in Phoenix, go to Pizzeria Bianco. Considered the best
pizza in America .... Chris Bianco makes the real neopolitan style
pizza...
http://www.pizzeriabianco.com/
Christine
sf
wrote:
>Isn't anise (aka star anise) most commonly used in Asian cuisines? I
>wouldn't expect to find it in Italian sausage.
Star anise is in the family (and you're right - it's used in Asian
cooking), but the anise seed I'm talking about is different.
cybercat
----------------------------------
Not necessarily, Rosie. I for one have had "real Italian pizza" and I like
Domino's too.
Why the agenda?
Over pizza?
Which Italians consider the ultmate crap food?
cybercat
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sold in Italy primarily as a dish for American and German tourists who don't
understand that Italian restaurants are closed at what they consider lunch
time.
To talk about pizza in terms of how truly "Italian" it is amounts to arguing
about the Quintessentially American Ham Sandwich.
It's a fucking ham sandwich, for God's sake.
Pizza is to Italian cuisine (all regions) as hot dogs are to American
cuisine.
Shit food.
Steve Pope
>To talk about pizza in terms of how truly "Italian" it is amounts to arguing
>about the Quintessentially American Ham Sandwich.
>It's a fucking ham sandwich, for God's sake.
>Pizza is to Italian cuisine (all regions) as hot dogs are to American
>cuisine.
>Shit food.
I'm having a strong Deja Vu. Yes... Sheldon... espresso.
;-)
Steve
Giusi
Italian cooks and wood-burning ovens. They always do have overloaded
choices on the menu, but the more basic ones are very nice--- and very
expensive for pizza.
I hear that there are real pizza places around the US, I just haven't
eaten at them.
Giusi
> I had pizza in Venice, at one of the few restaurants an American can
> find open during what they think of as "lunch time" when Italians are
> doing, uh, other things. :)
>
> It was good--less cheese, saucier, tasted fresher, thinner, lighter crust.
> It wasn't anything to die for.
Venice is very far away from pizza world. Go to Naples. Eat pizza.
Check out www.slowtrav.com before going to find the real places. And it
is cheap, too. Not much else here is.
Giusi
>
> Pizza is to Italian cuisine (all regions) as hot dogs are to American
> cuisine.
>
> Shit food.
Not even close to true. It is a light meal, yes, but we take it pretty
seriously and make famous and rich those that do it right and use the
better ingredients-- like mozzarella bufala etc.
Steve Pope
>cybercat wrote:
>> I had pizza in Venice, at one of the few restaurants an American can
>> find open during what they think of as "lunch time" when Italians are
>> doing, uh, other things. :)
>> It was good--less cheese, saucier, tasted fresher, thinner, lighter crust.
>> It wasn't anything to die for.
>Venice is very far away from pizza world. Go to Naples. Eat pizza.
>Check out www.slowtrav.com before going to find the real places. And it
>is cheap, too. Not much else here is.
Da Michele (listed in all guide books) is the right stuff,
as is a place called Saporino, on the Chiaia. There are
tons of others. Look for the "Vera Pizza" trade association
emblem.
Consult guidebooks, or stumble around in search of pizza --
both approaches work in Naples.
Go to Naples.
Steve
ravenlynne
> cybercat wrote:
>
>> I had pizza in Venice, at one of the few restaurants an American can
>> find open during what they think of as "lunch time" when Italians are
>> doing, uh, other things. :)
>>
>> It was good--less cheese, saucier, tasted fresher, thinner, lighter
>> crust.
>> It wasn't anything to die for.
>
> Venice is very far away from pizza world. Go to Naples. Eat pizza.
> Check out www.slowtrav.com before going to find the real places. And it
> is cheap, too. Not much else here is.
>
I can vouch for that. I got a huge pizza at a restaraunt here...and it
was 3.50 euro. It easily could have served my dh and I...but it's meant
for 1.
--
"All of those faeries and duels and mad queens and so on, and no one
quoted old Billy Shakespeare. Not even once."
- Harry Dresden
ravenlynne
> cybercat wrote:
>
>>
>> Pizza is to Italian cuisine (all regions) as hot dogs are to American
>> cuisine.
>>
>> Shit food.
>
> Not even close to true. It is a light meal, yes, but we take it pretty
> seriously and make famous and rich those that do it right and use the
> better ingredients-- like mozzarella bufala etc.
>
I agree. It's almost like a staple here in Naples. EVERYONE eats it,
and most make it. It's simple and inexpensive to make.
ravenlynne
Most places you go here will have excellent pizza. I've yet to get bad
pizza here in naples.
Giusi
> Giusi wrote:
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Pizza is to Italian cuisine (all regions) as hot dogs are to American
>>> cuisine.
>>>
>>> Shit food.
>>
>> Not even close to true. It is a light meal, yes, but we take it
>> pretty seriously and make famous and rich those that do it right and
>> use the better ingredients-- like mozzarella bufala etc.
>>
>
> I agree. It's almost like a staple here in Naples. EVERYONE eats it,
> and most make it. It's simple and inexpensive to make.
>
There is a small booklet recipe book called "La Vera Pizza Napoletana"
that has the legal requirement dough, but it also has some wild recipes
that claim to be the NYC or the London or whatever. The base recipe for
calling your pizza Neapolitan is very good, must be raised for 12 hours
minimum, and if you make it wetter than normal, is dead easy to spread
onto carta da forno using oiled fingers. I use a baking sheet for a
peel to slide the paper onto a rack in the preheated oven set at MAX.
That's as good as it gets at home, because our ovens never reach the
temps of a pizzeria's. I am restoring my stone outside oven now, and
one day! It is 400 years old, but was last restored in 1964. I will
have to wear a mini skirt to cook in it, probably.
ravenlynne
Wow! 400 years old...imagine!
Vilco
> I've never really like most Italian sausages and I'm trying to figure
> out why. Anytime I order pizza I choose pork sausage over Italian
> sausage. To me it has a black liquorice taste that I can't stand. I
> think I've narrow it down to either anise or fennel seed.
Same here for me: I don't like fennel nor anise seeds, expecially in salami.
Anyway only some salamis here have those seeds, and they're mainly from the
soutch and the center of Italy. Almost all of the northern salamis are
without them: Felino (Parma - Reggio Emilia), Mantovano (Mantua), Varzi
(Alessandria), Cacciatore (almost all Italy) and many others.
Probably, in the USofA, the presence of anise/fennel seeds in salamis called
"italian salami" is due to the fact that the majority of the italians who
went to the States were from the south, and they brougth the use of these
traditional spices with them.
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'
Vilco
> I swear that in 6.5 years I have never bought an Italian sausage in
> Italy with fennel seed unless it said con finocchio or in the case of
> one salami, it says finocchione.
Be aware that some "soppressata" could have fennel seeds in it, and beware
of Calbrian salamis: high risk of fennel seeds, there.
> It may very well be regional and from regions that have supplied more
> immigrants to the US than most.
Exactly. If the italians in the USofA were from Emilia Romagna, now the
USofAns would probably call "italian salami" the Felino-style salami without
any fennel seed.
Bad luck for the USofA, methinks.
Giusi
They've got Pizza and Mario Batalli out of it!
And Lidia Bastianovich from the other side.
JoeSpareBedroom
news:f18p50$hlp$1...@blue.rahul.net...
....and Aniello's, in Corning NY. Outstanding.
Vilco
> In truth, pizza is a more American dish than it is an Italian dish.
ROTFL, too funny.
> Pizza is to Italian cuisine (all regions) as hot dogs are to American
> cuisine.
> Shit food.
Stigrancazzi (these great dicks: can be translated in "You're far out").
Hot-dogs are made of mistery meat, Pizza is made with tomato, mozzarella and
basil. Note the capital "P", which excludes all of the frozen pizzas and the
thick topping-buried ones.
Nancy Young
"Vilco" <a...@b.invalid> wrote
Unfortunately, Vilco, a lot of people here think Domino's is good pizza,
hence the opinion. Sorry if that sounds harsh, I actually don't mean it
that way. I found for myself that once you get too far from NYC,
what passes for pizza takes a nosedive. If you want good pizza, a lot
of people would need to make it at home.
nancy
Giusi
I swear when my oven is restored, I and my neighbors will do a bread and
pizza day and I'll publish the whole thing on my blog. Lack of exposure
to the real thing is no excuse anymore. There are myriad places to get
the genuine recipes.
I will go along with la Margarita being just what you say, but she is
not the only real pizza IMHO.
Vilco
>>> Pizza is to Italian cuisine (all regions) as hot dogs are to
>>> American cuisine.
>>> Shit food.
> Unfortunately, Vilco, a lot of people here think Domino's is good
> pizza, hence the opinion. Sorry if that sounds harsh, I actually
> don't mean it that way.
I didn't answer that, Nancy, I answered to the phrase you can read on top of
this post.
Pizza is not shit food nor is the sewer of italian kitchen. Hotdog can be a
sewer, Pizza isn't.
Vilco
> I swear when my oven is restored, I and my neighbors will do a bread
> and pizza day and I'll publish the whole thing on my blog. Lack of
> exposure to the real thing is no excuse anymore. There are myriad
> places to get the genuine recipes.
I second that.
> I will go along with la Margarita being just what you say, but she is
> not the only real pizza IMHO.
Yes, there can be soem variations, as long as you don't put 3 pounds of
toppings on a single pizza...
Nancy Young
"Vilco" <a...@b.invalid> wrote
No, I was saying that's why someone might have used hot dog
in a comparison like that.
Having said that, there are hot dogs then there are hot dogs.
Nothing wrong with a good hotdog.
nancy
Giusi
> "Vilco" <a...@b.invalid> wrote
>> Pizza is not shit food nor is the sewer of italian kitchen. Hotdog can be
>> a sewer, Pizza isn't.
>
> No, I was saying that's why someone might have used hot dog
> in a comparison like that.
>
> Having said that, there are hot dogs then there are hot dogs.
> Nothing wrong with a good hotdog.
>
> nancy
The better local pizza place has a pizza with wurstel on it. Wurstel is
what Italians call hotdogs.
cybercat
Nancy Young
"cybercat" <cyber...@yahoo.com> wrote
> "Nancy Young" <rjy...@comcast.net> wrote
>> "Vilco" <a...@b.invalid> wrote
>>
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Pizza is to Italian cuisine (all regions) as hot dogs are to
>>>>>> American cuisine.
>>>>>> Shit food.
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, Vilco, a lot of people here think Domino's is good
>>>> pizza, hence the opinion. Sorry if that sounds harsh, I actually
>>>> don't mean it that way.
>>>
>>> I didn't answer that, Nancy, I answered to the phrase you can read on
>>> top of this post.
>>> Pizza is not shit food nor is the sewer of italian kitchen. Hotdog can
>>> be a sewer, Pizza isn't.
>>
>> No, I was saying that's why someone might have used hot dog
>> in a comparison like that.
>>
>> Having said that, there are hot dogs then there are hot dogs.
>> Nothing wrong with a good hotdog.
> Troll.
Whatever.
nancy
cybercat
"ravenlynne" <raven...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Giusi wrote:
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Pizza is to Italian cuisine (all regions) as hot dogs are to American
>>> cuisine.
>>>
>>> Shit food.
>>
>> Not even close to true. It is a light meal, yes, but we take it pretty
>> seriously and make famous and rich those that do it right and use the
>> better ingredients-- like mozzarella bufala etc.
>>
>
> I agree. It's almost like a staple here in Naples. EVERYONE eats it, and
> most make it. It's simple and inexpensive to make.
>
Just like American food, it might depend on the circle in which one travels.
It might also depend on the region. In Venice they refer sneeringly to
Florentines as "bean eaters" because their local cuisine is largely based
upon these legumes. I shudder to think what the Florentines, the snots of
the continent, call Neapolitans.
George
up in an area where real quality pizza is an inexpensive normal everyday
thing. It wasn't until I started traveling that I realized that it was
next to impossible to get a pizza once you were a few hundred miles
away. And if you lived in another area you didn't have a benchmark for
pizza quality.
I worked at a local company and we always had visitors from out of state
(or country) coming to our facility. So I was always entertaining
clients. Usually for the first day we would take them to one of the
"fancy pants" restaurants and then the next night we would go to one of
the local pizza restaurants. Everyone would rave about the pizza and
when they came in for another visit they always asked to go to the pizza
places.
cybercat
>> cybercat wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Pizza is to Italian cuisine (all regions) as hot dogs are to American
>>> cuisine.
>>>
>>> Shit food.
>>
>> Not even close to true. It is a light meal, yes, but we take it pretty
>> seriously and make famous and rich those that do it right and use the
>> better ingredients-- like mozzarella bufala etc.
>>
>
> I agree. It's almost like a staple here in Naples. EVERYONE eats it, and
> most make it. It's simple and inexpensive to make.
>
Yep, check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naples#Food_and_drink
It's regional.
My point (poorly made by fighting foodsnottery with foodsnottery, hahaha) is
that I find food snobs tacky as hell. Domino's may not be "real pizza" but
then most things Americans eat are bastardized versions of something else.
It's all relative, and I would be willing to wager that every last one of
you eats some things that would turn the average stomach.
It's all just another form of one-upmanship based upon things that are
superficial. And, as Plato once said, "that sucks."
Giusi
>>>> Shit food.
>>> Not even close to true. It is a light meal, yes, but we take it pretty
>>> seriously and make famous and rich those that do it right and use the
>>> better ingredients-- like mozzarella bufala etc.
>>>
>> I agree. It's almost like a staple here in Naples. EVERYONE eats it, and
>> most make it. It's simple and inexpensive to make.
>>
>
> Just like American food, it might depend on the circle in which one travels.
> It might also depend on the region. In Venice they refer sneeringly to
> Florentines as "bean eaters" because their local cuisine is largely based
> upon these legumes. I shudder to think what the Florentines, the snots of
> the continent, call Neapolitans.
>
>
As expressed, Venice is not a pizza town. As to which circles, where I
live isn't so conscious of that and one stops by and drinks today's
special bottle of wine with people ranging from the last of the local
WWII fascists, the electrician, an allergist, to a member of the House
of Savoia. They all like a pizza now and again.
It isn't an everyday food.
Nancy Young
"George" <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> Unfortunately, Vilco, a lot of people here think Domino's is good pizza,
>> hence the opinion.
I wish to clarify, when I said here, I meant in the states, not here
on this newsgroup. Many people *here* here know good pizza.
>> Sorry if that sounds harsh, I actually don't mean it
>> that way. I found for myself that once you get too far from NYC,
>> what passes for pizza takes a nosedive. If you want good pizza, a lot
>> of people would need to make it at home.
> I understand your point exactly and its just a realistic report. I grew up
> in an area where real quality pizza is an inexpensive normal everyday
> thing. It wasn't until I started traveling that I realized that it was
> next to impossible to get a pizza once you were a few hundred miles away.
> And if you lived in another area you didn't have a benchmark for pizza
> quality.
Especially your last sentence hits the nail on the head, what I was
trying to say. I understand why people might think some pizza
chain is good pizza, because that's pizza there. I'm even related
to some of them! Heh.
> I worked at a local company and we always had visitors from out of state
> (or country) coming to our facility. So I was always entertaining clients.
> Usually for the first day we would take them to one of the "fancy pants"
> restaurants and then the next night we would go to one of the local pizza
> restaurants. Everyone would rave about the pizza and when they came in for
> another visit they always asked to go to the pizza places.
I bet. I know I would. Pizza! Luckily for me, a couple of places
nearby have opened that make a good pie.
nancy
rosie
> "rosie" <RMi1013...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178068980.5...@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 1, 8:15?pm, Puester <pues...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > rosie wrote:
>
> > > I have never tasted pizza made in the US that tastes like real
> > > Italian Pizza. Never. I wish I could find some, in the US the pizzas
> > > all have the wrong kind of crust, there is too much stuff on top of
> > > the pizza and it is just all wrong.. sigh...
>
>
> > And still they sell billions of dollars worth of it every year.
> > SOMEONE must like it!
>
> > gloria p
>
> Lots and lots of people love it, they do not know what they are
> missing tho -LOL
> Rosie
>
> ----------------------------------
>
> Not necessarily, Rosie. I for one have had "real Italian pizza" and I like
> Domino's too.
>
> Why the agenda?
>
> Over pizza?
>
> Which Italians consider the ultmate crap food?
Not really an agenda, just an opinion. Italians eat lots of pizza,-if
they consider it crap, they must like crap. Pizza in the US, does not
resemble pizza in Italy, it ought to have another name.Pineapple
pie,etc
Rosie
rosie
> Giusi <decob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >cybercat wrote:
> >> I had pizza in Venice, at one of the few restaurants an American can
> >> find open during what they think of as "lunch time" when Italians are
> >> doing, uh, other things. :)
> >> It was good--less cheese, saucier, tasted fresher, thinner, lighter crust.
> >> It wasn't anything to die for.
> >Venice is very far away from pizza world. Go to Naples. Eat pizza.
> >is cheap, too. Not much else here is.
>
> Da Michele (listed in all guide books) is the right stuff,
> as is a place called Saporino, on the Chiaia. There are
> tons of others. Look for the "Vera Pizza" trade association
> emblem.
>
> Consult guidebooks, or stumble around in search of pizza --
> both approaches work in Naples.
>
> Go to Naples.
>
> Steve
yes, Naples has the best pizza in the world. In Northern Italy, it is
just not the same.
Rosie