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John Kuthe

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Jul 8, 2020, 11:54:43 PM7/8/20
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https://i.postimg.cc/yxBFSdjM/Old-World-Roofing-2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/rsJ5GkYK/Old-World-Roofing-3.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/JzgZ5KKc/Old-World-Roofing-5.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/xCVmWCwX/Old-World-Roofing-8.jpg

I am so excited that this is finally happening! And in a couple of weeks, a DRY intact red clay tile RESTORED roof! Yay! For the bargain basement base price of $113,671.00 + $80/hr + materials for subroof repair! But for a 100 year red clay tile DRY roof, now I can retire in peace! In 6 years, I will retire on full SocSec benefits projected to be $1600/mo and I will run for Mayor of Bel Nor and hopefully influence some changes for the positive, for all Bel Norians and others as well! :-)

Plus I want to start a new church and call it the First United Church of FACTS, no faith required as we now have the FACTS:

https://www.pbs.org/video/africas-great-civilizations-origins-hour-one/

We now KNOW where and when Homo Sapiens originated. Not created but evolved! And we have the EVIDENCE now! If you don't like it, go argue with the EVIDENCE! :-)

John Kuthe...

Gary

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Jul 9, 2020, 7:02:34 AM7/9/20
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John Kuthe wrote:
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> https://i.postimg.cc/NjbPGhsG/Old-World-Roofing-1.jpg
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> https://i.postimg.cc/yxBFSdjM/Old-World-Roofing-2.jpg
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> https://i.postimg.cc/rsJ5GkYK/Old-World-Roofing-3.jpg
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> https://i.postimg.cc/JzgZ5KKc/Old-World-Roofing-5.jpg
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> https://i.postimg.cc/xCVmWCwX/Old-World-Roofing-8.jpg

Welcome back, John and thanks for the pics.
Keep em coming.

I do hope you got any painting done on your dormers
first. You don't want dumb-ass painters going on your
nice new roof after the work is done.

John Kuthe

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Jul 9, 2020, 7:39:49 AM7/9/20
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Nope! I'd never get up on that red clay tile roof! I'd hire someone else to!

John Kuthe...

Bruce

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Jul 9, 2020, 7:43:33 AM7/9/20
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Very wise since you're wobbly.

jmcquown

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Jul 9, 2020, 8:56:23 AM7/9/20
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That was not the point Gary was trying to make.

Jill

John Kuthe

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Jul 9, 2020, 9:08:01 AM7/9/20
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Yep! But I Nordictraced yesterday for 20mins furiously and am a fan of EXERCISE! And in hids retirement my father took up long distance bicycling, and was the oldest rider in his last RAGBRAI ride across Iowa at over 80 years old!

So I have long life genes in me!

John Kuthe...

Gary

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Jul 9, 2020, 9:28:43 AM7/9/20
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My point was that you don't want even anyone else up there
for many years. Oh well...

jmcquown

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Jul 9, 2020, 10:13:37 AM7/9/20
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Gary, he's too caught up in himself to pay attention. I understood what
you wrote perfectly.

Jill

Ed Pawlowski

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Jul 9, 2020, 10:20:22 AM7/9/20
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On 7/8/2020 11:54 PM, John Kuthe wrote:

>
> I am so excited that this is finally happening! And in a couple of weeks, a DRY intact red clay tile RESTORED roof! Yay! For the bargain basement base price of $113,671.00 + $80/hr + materials for subroof repair! But for a 100 year red clay tile DRY roof, now I can retire in peace! In 6 years, I will retire on full SocSec benefits projected to be $1600/mo and I will run for Mayor of Bel Nor and hopefully influence some changes for the positive, for all Bel Norians and others as well! :-)

When it is done find someone with a drone to take photos of it. You
really can't appreciate how nice the roof is from the ground.


>
> Plus I want to start a new church and call it the First United Church of FACTS, no faith required as we now have the FACTS:
>
> https://www.pbs.org/video/africas-great-civilizations-origins-hour-one/
>
> We now KNOW where and when Homo Sapiens originated. Not created but evolved! And we have the EVIDENCE now! If you don't like it, go argue with the EVIDENCE! :-)
>
> John Kuthe...
>
Good luck with that. Facts don't seem to matter much with people today.

Sheldon Martin

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Jul 9, 2020, 10:55:26 AM7/9/20
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On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
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>https://i.postimg.cc/NjbPGhsG/Old-World-Roofing-1.jpg
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>https://i.postimg.cc/yxBFSdjM/Old-World-Roofing-2.jpg

Who is the imbecile who installed that water hose right at your
electric service... definitely not to code.

>https://i.postimg.cc/rsJ5GkYK/Old-World-Roofing-3.jpg
>
>https://i.postimg.cc/JzgZ5KKc/Old-World-Roofing-5.jpg
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>https://i.postimg.cc/xCVmWCwX/Old-World-Roofing-8.jpg
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>I am so excited that this is finally happening!
>In 6 years, I will retire on full SocSec benefits projected to be $1600/mo.
>John Kuthe...

Your projection is a big fat lie... you haven't worked long enough...
you'd be lucky to get 1/4 that amount.

jmcquown

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Jul 9, 2020, 11:24:05 AM7/9/20
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He's just hoping. He doesn't seem to know how these things work. Go to
SSA dot gov and use their benefits calculator. The amount will you
receive at retirement (the official age is 67 but you can apply for
benefits at age 62) is calculated based on a formula. It involves paid
work credits. Being an unemployed student most of your life and renting
rooms at $250 a month to students doesn't count as earned income or work
credits.

Jill

Ed Pawlowski

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Jul 9, 2020, 12:01:36 PM7/9/20
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Correct, if he made good money in the past it will be higher:

We base Social Security benefits on your lifetime earnings. We adjust or
“index” your actual earnings to account for changes in average wages
since the year the earnings were received. Then, Social Security
calculates your average indexed monthly earnings during the 35 years in
which you earned the most

If he works full time as a nurse for a few more years he can still kick
it up a bit.

jmcquown

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Jul 9, 2020, 12:26:37 PM7/9/20
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I hope he's still got that nursing job so he can earn more work credits.

Jill

Sqwertz

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Jul 9, 2020, 1:00:51 PM7/9/20
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 10:55:19 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>https://i.postimg.cc/NjbPGhsG/Old-World-Roofing-1.jpg
>>
>>https://i.postimg.cc/yxBFSdjM/Old-World-Roofing-2.jpg
>
> Who is the imbecile who installed that water hose right at your
> electric service... definitely not to code.

Nothing non-code about it. And it's a portable hose reel, imbecile.

-sw

Sqwertz

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Jul 9, 2020, 1:30:53 PM7/9/20
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I wonder of the guy I emailed about a 2nd estimate for John's roof
was a sub for Old World Roofing...

It sure is suspicious timing, eh?

-sw

Sheldon Martin

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Jul 9, 2020, 1:55:57 PM7/9/20
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:00:42 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:
The hose bib is right there.... if water sprays up into the electric
service fried Kootchie.

Hank Rogers

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Jul 9, 2020, 5:07:07 PM7/9/20
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All this sexual tension between yoose and sqwertz!

All yoose guys have to decide is who is top man, and who is bottom
man, and who cleans all the shit up. Yoose guys can buttfuck all
night. Druce will provide sniffing support.

Yoose guys can even get married after the sex ... it's legal now.






Alex

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Jul 9, 2020, 7:22:44 PM7/9/20
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Evidently discount nursing doesn't require basic writing skills or
reading comprehension.

Alex

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Jul 9, 2020, 7:36:03 PM7/9/20
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They have 14 rolls of underlayment material there that will cover 2800
square feet and give you a 15 year warranty.  Two layers will only cover
1400 square feet but you will get a 30 year warranty. You have more roof
than that. Alternatively, they could use the TU70 for the same 30 year
warranty in a single layer.  For what you are paying you sure as hell
should be getting the best product and the maximum warranty!

I see they put some shit in your driveway for you to run into with your car.

itsjoan...@webtv.net

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Jul 9, 2020, 7:52:35 PM7/9/20
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On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 6:36:03 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
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> I see they put some shit in your driveway for you to run into with your car.
>
*CHUCKLE*

Sqwertz

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Jul 9, 2020, 9:10:09 PM7/9/20
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On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:55:51 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:00:42 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 10:55:19 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>https://i.postimg.cc/NjbPGhsG/Old-World-Roofing-1.jpg
>>>>
>>>>https://i.postimg.cc/yxBFSdjM/Old-World-Roofing-2.jpg
>>>
>>> Who is the imbecile who installed that water hose right at your
>>> electric service... definitely not to code.
>>
>>Nothing non-code about it. And it's a portable hose reel, imbecile.
>
> The hose bib is right there.... if water sprays up into the electric
> service fried Kootchie.

<sigh> Look at the other pictures, you stupid fucking imbecile.

It doesn't matter even if it was.

-sw

Sqwertz

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Jul 9, 2020, 9:13:52 PM7/9/20
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> I see they put some shit in your driveway for you to run into with your car.

I chuckled at that too. Those extra three inches are probably gonna
knock 3 workers off the scaffolding to their deaths once John pulls
in...

With his .... Dodge Caravan?

-sw

John Kuthe

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Jul 9, 2020, 9:16:18 PM7/9/20
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On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 6:36:03 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
I park Baby II on the street! I do NOT have my damaged Leaf back yet. I was hit by a car thief I'd bet, in a white car, as the pieces of the stolen car were white. Other drivers got out and moved them off Delmar.

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe

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Jul 9, 2020, 9:17:26 PM7/9/20
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2008 Grand Caravan.

John Kuthe...

Sqwertz

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Jul 9, 2020, 9:19:32 PM7/9/20
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It looks like they're just going to re-felt with #40 and reattach
the tile, possibly replacing some of it with used tile.

I see some torch-down hoses, but I'm thinking they have that for
bitumen valleys and flashing if John says there's also a brake
there, too.

<shrug>

-sw

Sqwertz

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Jul 9, 2020, 9:32:14 PM7/9/20
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I forgot about the decking. When they milk him for 3/4" CDX+ on a
5/12 roof with all those gables at $80/hour... Fuck Him!

Alex Trebec is offering life insurance and Tom Seleck is offering
Reverse Mortgages. Better deal than Old World Roofing!

Sorry John, just trying to add perspective.

-sw

Ed Pawlowski

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Jul 9, 2020, 10:07:23 PM7/9/20
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If water sprayed and fried the electric there are other problems.
Unless in never rains and wind never blows in da Lou.

Sqwertz

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Jul 9, 2020, 11:02:27 PM7/9/20
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 22:07:17 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 7/9/2020 9:10 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 13:55:51 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:00:42 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 10:55:19 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/NjbPGhsG/Old-World-Roofing-1.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/yxBFSdjM/Old-World-Roofing-2.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is the imbecile who installed that water hose right at your
>>>>> electric service... definitely not to code.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing non-code about it. And it's a portable hose reel, imbecile.
>>>
>>> The hose bib is right there.... if water sprays up into the electric
>>> service fried Kootchie.
>>
>> <sigh> Look at the other pictures, you stupid fucking imbecile.
>>
>> It doesn't matter even if it was.
>>
> If water sprayed and fried the electric there are other problems.
> Unless in never rains and wind never blows in da Lou.

Now see? That's what I should have pointed out.

Thanks, Ed. For the voice of reason. Sometimes we get caught up in
other agendas. We should work on that.

And maybe I should call John more often now that I've broken the
ice.

-sw

Bruce

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Jul 9, 2020, 11:06:12 PM7/9/20
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 22:02:16 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.invalid>
wrote:
I think you two would make a great team for a reality show.

Sqwertz

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Jul 10, 2020, 1:33:48 AM7/10/20
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On Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:17:23 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> On Thursday, July 9, 2020 at 8:13:52 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> I see they put some shit in your driveway for you to run into with your car.
>>
>> I chuckled at that too. Those extra three inches are probably gonna
>> knock 3 workers off the scaffolding to their deaths once John pulls
>> in...
>>
>> With his .... Dodge Caravan?
>
> 2008 Grand Caravan.

OooooooOOOH! I'm surprised I got that right.

I'm almost sure I lost my virginity in a 1984 Dodge Caravan in 1983.

-sw

John Kuthe

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Jul 10, 2020, 8:56:26 AM7/10/20
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You mean THIS brake?

https://i.postimg.cc/MpYmzgVK/Old-World-Roofing-4.jpg

Yep! And for the new copper gutters. Existing gutters are copper but were madew in the 1920's!

And I didn't get a pic but they have a plastic 'cashew' container full of stainless steel nails! :-)

John Kuthe...

Alex

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Jul 10, 2020, 8:05:11 PM7/10/20
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That part was a joke, John.  The first part was advise - something you
frequently ignore but should really consider right now.  Since you are
paying top dollar for your restoration you should know you might not be
getting the best they have to offer.  While there are many high-quality
underlayments for roofs, I have never heard of MB Technology or Layfast
but what matters now is that it appears you are getting an application
with half of the available warranty. That might be OK for a normal
roofing job but, again, you are overpaying so you should get the very
best.  Ask them about this:

* *Steep Slope (Limited Material Warranty):
*Layfast 10 year limited material warranty. One layer of TULF40,
TU35 or supercap SBS.
<https://www.mbtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/layfast-SBS-TU35-TULF40-SC85GWH-10-year-limited-material-warranty-Rev-11-6-2017.pdf>Layfast
15 year limited material warranty. One layer of TU43.
<https://www.mbtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/layfast-SBS-TU43-15-Year-limited-material-warranty-rev-11-16-2017.pdf>Layfast
20 year limited material warranty. Two layers of TU35 or TULF40.
Layfast 30 year limited material warranty.
<https://www.mbtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/layfast-SBS-TU35-TULF40-2-ply-20-Year-limited-material-warranty-rev-11-16-2017.pdf>Two
layers of TU43 one layer of TU70.
<https://www.mbtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/layfast-SBS-TU43-TU70-30-Year-limited-material-warranty-rev-11-16-2017.pdf>

This is very important:

*For Architects and Specification Writers
*Since Layfast is still mechanically fastened (like 30/40# felt), there
is no change in drawings/specifications.  To specify Layfast, insert the
following language in the tile/shingle/metal roof specification section
where the underlayment is specified. For tile and metal roofs, we
recommend the use of TU70; for shingle roofs, we recommend the use of TU43.

Here's that warranty information:

https://www.mbtechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/layfast-SBS-TU43-TU70-30-Year-limited-material-warranty-rev-11-16-2017.pdf

Finally, the $80 per hour plus materials might add up to far more than
you ever imagined.  Plywood, and lumber in general, is at an all-time
high.  You could be looking at tens of thousands in extras and a lot
more if roof trusses were compromised by the water intrusion.  If they
find mold they might stop the job until you can get that resolved.  I
would recommend that you watch what they are doing, ask about the
underlayment warranty, and pay very close attention when they are down
to the roof substrate.  Ask them to tell you when they discover
something that requires time and material and keep track of what
additional materials they are installing and how long it is taking
them.  You already signed a contract but the open-ended part is where
they can really hit you.

Alex

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Jul 10, 2020, 8:10:23 PM7/10/20
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The rolls they have stacked up next to his house are a synthetic felt
that is nailed down.  Tile doesn't keep water out - the underlayment
does.  Tile is decorative and keeps the sun off of whatever they use
underneath it for waterproofing.  I know you already knew that.

Alex

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Jul 10, 2020, 8:11:46 PM7/10/20
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That might be a 6/12 or steeper.  Hard to tell.  Plywood prices are
crazy right now.

Alex

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Jul 10, 2020, 8:13:53 PM7/10/20
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You realize that would be possible, right?  Not the virginity part, the
years of the cars.

Alex

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Jul 10, 2020, 8:16:52 PM7/10/20
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Dissimilar metals will cause corrosion.  They should use copper nails.

John Kuthe

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Jul 10, 2020, 11:06:10 PM7/10/20
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Copper is a soft metal, stainless steel is not!

So now you are a roof repair expert to, eh Alex? How many roofs have you fixed?

John Kuthe...

Sheldon Martin

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Jul 11, 2020, 9:08:56 AM7/11/20
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Copper nails are not very strong and stainless steel nails won't cause
corrosion.

John Kuthe

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Jul 11, 2020, 10:02:20 AM7/11/20
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Kazactly! And SS nails are very strong and TOUGH! We used to dull steel rotary drill bits in metal shop trying to drill through plate SS on the drill press!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Suburban Renewalist

John Kuthe

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Jul 11, 2020, 10:02:28 AM7/11/20
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On Saturday, July 11, 2020 at 8:08:56 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:

Gary

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Jul 11, 2020, 11:45:11 AM7/11/20
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Alex wrote:
> Finally, the $80 per hour plus materials might add up to far more than
> you ever imagined.Â

That's the scary part with an open-ended estimate.

Sqwertz

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Jul 11, 2020, 1:21:27 PM7/11/20
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:11:38 -0400, Alex wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> I forgot about the decking. When they milk him for 3/4" CDX+ on a
>> 5/12 roof with all those gables at $80/hour... Fuck Him!
>>
>> Alex Trebec is offering life insurance and Tom Seleck is offering
>> Reverse Mortgages. Better deal than Old World Roofing!
>>
>> Sorry John, just trying to add perspective.
>
> That might be a 6/12 or steeper.  Hard to tell.  Plywood prices are
> crazy right now.

I'll go 6/12 now that's posted more pictures of it.

-sw

Sqwertz

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Jul 11, 2020, 1:22:57 PM7/11/20
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 05:56:22 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> You mean THIS brake?
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/MpYmzgVK/Old-World-Roofing-4.jpg
>
> Yep! And for the new copper gutters. Existing gutters are copper but were madew in the 1920's!
>
> And I didn't get a pic but they have a plastic 'cashew' container full of stainless steel nails! :-)
>
> John Kuthe...

Copper gutters <shaking head>/ Oh ferchristsakes - DUH!

-sw

Sqwertz

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Jul 11, 2020, 1:32:07 PM7/11/20
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How much did that bump up the cost of the project, John?

-sw

Sqwertz

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Jul 11, 2020, 1:37:35 PM7/11/20
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On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:13:44 -0400, Alex wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I'm almost sure I lost my virginity in a 1984 Dodge Caravan in 1983.
>
> You realize that would be possible, right?  Not the virginity part, the
> years of the cars.

Of course. They're always released a few months early. I know my
cars and vans! <snork>. I could very well be the first person to
have sex in a Dodge Caravan.

Er, I mean Suzi and I.

-sw

jay

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Jul 11, 2020, 1:59:06 PM7/11/20
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They won't be there long enough to corrode anyway. Copper gutters are a
thieves delight.

John Kuthe

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Jul 11, 2020, 3:02:33 PM7/11/20
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And THAT is why the existing copper gutters were painted Black!

John Kuthe...

Ed Pawlowski

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Jul 11, 2020, 3:55:23 PM7/11/20
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Cheaper to paint aluminum black. No one will know the difference.

jmcquown

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Jul 11, 2020, 4:44:57 PM7/11/20
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Oh how true.

Jill

Hank Rogers

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Jul 11, 2020, 4:45:28 PM7/11/20
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Won't acid rain eventually eat away at the copper?
Remember the 300 year plan.

Maybe we should just pray to mother gaiiaa?




jmcquown

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Jul 11, 2020, 4:47:05 PM7/11/20
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Hey, don't worry. He's made of money except when says he's broke.
Don't forget, he's earning more than $30 an hour...

Jill

Dave Smith

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Jul 11, 2020, 4:58:52 PM7/11/20
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Sometimes people do things that make no sense. My brother and his wife
did some remodeling in their house. The redid the kitchen and bathrooms
and replaced a metal railing with wood. The plan was to have the wood
painted to match something else. SIL insisted on oak. My brother saw no
point in paying a lot extra for oak if the nice grain was going to be
covered up with paint.

Hank Rogers

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Jul 11, 2020, 5:00:47 PM7/11/20
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Acid rain will eat aluminum even faster than copper.


Bruce

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Jul 11, 2020, 5:05:30 PM7/11/20
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Just when you think you've heard it all!

Bruce

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Jul 11, 2020, 5:06:04 PM7/11/20
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On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 16:46:59 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
At least he doesn't sit on his ass all day watching hummingbirds.

Hank Rogers

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Jul 11, 2020, 7:16:12 PM7/11/20
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The indian tenants will know.

They will be told each day ... they are living under the most
magnificent restored tile roof in da loo.

Only Popeye could do better, but at the expense of the indians
giving sex to the sailor.

If the wimmens don't fuck, they don't stay. <Popeye>




Hank Rogers

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Jul 11, 2020, 7:18:56 PM7/11/20
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Or sniffing ass fumes.


Hank Rogers

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Jul 11, 2020, 7:21:50 PM7/11/20
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Take a deep whiff Druce. Some canadian asses are better for you.
His butt is free range organic. After the sniff, wait a while and
you might get a face full of ass wind.


Ed Pawlowski

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Jul 11, 2020, 8:51:01 PM7/11/20
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>>>>>>>>> square feet and give you a 15 year warranty.  Two layers will
>>>>>>>>> only cover
>>>>>>>>> 1400 square feet but you will get a 30 year warranty. You have
>>>>>>>>> more roof
>>>>>>>>> than that. Alternatively, they could use the TU70 for the same
>>>>>>>>> 30 year
>>>>>>>>> warranty in a single layer.  For what you are paying you sure
>>>>>>>>> as hell
>>>>>>>>> should be getting the best product and the maximum warranty!
>>>>>>>> It looks like they're just going to re-felt with #40 and reattach
>>>>>>>> the tile, possibly replacing some of it with used tile.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see some torch-down hoses, but I'm thinking they have that for
>>>>>>>> bitumen valleys and flashing if John says there's also a brake
>>>>>>>> there, too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <shrug>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>>> You mean THIS brake?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/MpYmzgVK/Old-World-Roofing-4.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep! And for the new copper gutters. Existing gutters are copper
>>>>>>> but were madew in the 1920's!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I didn't get a pic but they have a plastic 'cashew' container
>>>>>>> full of stainless steel nails! :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dissimilar metals will cause corrosion.  They should use copper
>>>>>> nails.
>>>>>
>>>>> Copper nails are not very strong and stainless steel nails won't cause
>>>>> corrosion.
>>>>>
>>>> They won't be there long enough to corrode anyway.  Copper gutters
>>>> are a
>>>> thieves delight.
>>>
>>> And THAT is why the existing copper gutters were painted Black!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>> Cheaper to paint aluminum black.  No one will know the difference.
>
> Acid rain will eat aluminum even faster than copper.
>
>

Maybe, but my last house was 40 years old and still in good shape. They
may not work for the 300 year plan though.

Alex

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Unlike you, I don't claim to be an expert on anything.

Stainless steel is, in fact, much softer than carbon steel so why not
insist on hot-dipped galvanized nails?   The issue at hand has less to
due with the hardness (shear strength) and more with the pullout
strength of the nail.  Copper nails are available with ring shanks and
are quite difficult to remove.  They will also eliminate corrosion due
to combining dissimilar metals.

Alex

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Jul 11, 2020, 11:08:11 PM7/11/20
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Of course they will.  "If Copper is connected to Stainless steel Type
304, then the copper will corrode to sacrifice to the stainless steel."

https://www.phcppros.com/articles/2867-corrosion-plumbing-piping

Alex

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Stainless isn't hard to drill, or cut, because it's stronger or tougher
than other metals.  It's because it's an alloy and drill bits and saw
blades heat it up and harden the stainless steel while they are cutting
it.  (That's one reason why my gun safe has a 16ga layer of stainless
steel in the walls and door).  Carbon steel is easier to drill and cut
than stainless but it's far stronger.


Alex

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Jul 11, 2020, 11:20:05 PM7/11/20
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They don't keep records of those milestones?  They should!

Alex

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Jul 11, 2020, 11:21:49 PM7/11/20
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Not anymore.

Alex

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Jul 11, 2020, 11:23:09 PM7/11/20
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It's denser than pine and will hold up better.  Poplar would be good for
that but might not have been available.

Bruce

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On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 23:06:46 -0400, Alex <Xel...@gmail.com> wrote:

>John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Friday, July 10, 2020 at 7:16:52 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:

>>> Dissimilar metals will cause corrosion.  They should use copper nails.
>> Copper is a soft metal, stainless steel is not!
>>
>> So now you are a roof repair expert to, eh Alex? How many roofs have you fixed?
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>Unlike you, I don't claim to be an expert on anything.

Not even an expert kuthologist?

Sqwertz

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Jul 12, 2020, 4:16:07 AM7/12/20
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Except he didn't go to work yesterday - a Saturday. Sounds like he
lost another job.

-sw

Gary

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Jul 12, 2020, 5:02:59 AM7/12/20
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Bruce wrote:
>
> jmcquown wrote:
>
> >Sqwertz wrote:
> >>> Copper gutters <shaking head>/ Oh ferchristsakes - DUH!
> >>
> >> How much did that bump up the cost of the project, John?
> >>
> >> -sw
> >>
> >Hey, don't worry. He's made of money except when says he's broke.
> >Don't forget, he's earning more than $30 an hour...
>
> At least he doesn't sit on his ass all day watching hummingbirds.

Read the above at 4:12am. First morning laugh

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2006201649300094.jpg

Gary

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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 16:46:59 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > On 7/11/2020 1:31 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> >> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:22:45 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >> How much did that bump up the cost of the project, John?
> >>
> >> -sw
> >>
> > Hey, don't worry. He's made of money except when says he's broke.
> > Don't forget, he's earning more than $30 an hour...
>
> Except he didn't go to work yesterday - a Saturday. Sounds like he
> lost another job.
>
> -sw

Don't know if he still has the job but I do seem to
remember that it was 4 hours, Sat and Sun, in the evening
hours

John Kuthe

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5 hours a day, 2 days a week until I get good at the elecvtronic charting system until this past Tues and Sat when the A/C in the bldg was out. I know, I went in and it was like a sauna! Heard it will be fixed this Tues.

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist and Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

Hank Rogers

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Jul 12, 2020, 1:35:44 PM7/12/20
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What did they do with all the patients?


John Kuthe

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Jul 12, 2020, 2:12:17 PM7/12/20
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They moved the Residence to other facilities, temporarily.

John Kuthe...

John Kuthe

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Jul 12, 2020, 2:13:14 PM7/12/20
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'Residents' my error.

John Kuthe...

jmcquown

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Jul 12, 2020, 2:43:18 PM7/12/20
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On 7/12/2020 10:04 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 7:03:45 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 16:46:59 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/11/2020 1:31 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 12:22:45 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How much did that bump up the cost of the project, John?
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>>
>>>> Hey, don't worry. He's made of money except when says he's broke.
>>>> Don't forget, he's earning more than $30 an hour...
>>>
>>> Except he didn't go to work yesterday - a Saturday. Sounds like he
>>> lost another job.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Don't know if he still has the job but I do seem to
>> remember that it was 4 hours, Sat and Sun, in the evening
>> hours
>
> 5 hours a day, 2 days a week until I get good at the elecvtronic charting system

How long will it take you to figure out the charting system, Mr.
Computer Engineer?

> until this past Tues and Sat when the A/C in the bldg was out. I know, I went in and it was like a sauna! Heard it will be fixed this Tues.
>
> John Kuthe

I surely hope so.

Jill
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