Costco coffee filters?

[Nancy Young]

Under the category of DUH, would these be considered
unbleached?

http://tinyurl.com/bypct5w

Just want to be sure before I continue tossing them into
my compost bin.

nancy

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:15:17 -0500, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:

>x-no-archive: yes

>The link very clearly states that they're bleached, that's what oxygen
>treated means.
>
>Susan

But it is not like chlorinated bleach. Bleaching is a process that
can use various chemicals and methods to remove color and stains. Most
of us are familiar with laundry bleach which is sodium hypochlorite.
There are other methods. I'd go ahead and compost them.

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-an-oxygen-cleaner.htm
An oxygen cleaner, also sometimes called oxygen bleach, is a popular
product that uses oxygen bubbles to lift stains and clean. This type
of product is generally non-toxic and more environmentally friendly
than traditional household cleaners that use chemicals such as ammonia
or bleach. Most reviewers say that these cleaners are surprisingly
powerful and successful at removing stains, though it may take a
little longer to do so than traditional cleaners.

These cleaning produces generally use one of three possible active
ingredients: hydrogen peroxide, sodium percarbonate, or sodium
perborate. Hydrogen peroxide is a liquid, but the others are powders;
this is why consumers can find both powdered and liquid versions.

[graham]

"Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
news:alg49l...@mid.individual.net...
> x-no-archive: yes

>
> On 1/13/2013 11:01 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> But it is not like chlorinated bleach. Bleaching is a process that
>> can use various chemicals and methods to remove color and stains. Most
>> of us are familiar with laundry bleach which is sodium hypochlorite.
>> There are other methods. I'd go ahead and compost them.
>

> I just said they were bleached, and clearly they look bleached.
>
> Whether or not one wants them in compost is up for debate.
>
> Ixygen bleach is anti microbial, you might not want it in there in any
> significant amount for that reason.
>
IF (note upper case) there had been a trace in the filter before use, the
coffee would have flushed it out. So dump it in the compost bin.

[Boron Elgar]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:08:02 -0500, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
wrote:

Go for it. No problem. This is one of the many sites online that says
this type of filter is all right to compost.

http://www.greenyour.com/lifestyle/food-drink/coffee/tips/choose-reusable-or-recycled-coffee-filters
Unbleached or oxygen-bleached filters can be composted along with
coffee grounds and used for gardening purposes.

Boron

[Nancy Young]

On 1/13/2013 11:01 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:15:17 -0500, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
>
>> x-no-archive: yes
>>
>> On 1/13/2013 10:08 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> Under the category of DUH, would these be considered
>>> unbleached?
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/bypct5w
>>>
>>> Just want to be sure before I continue tossing them into
>>> my compost bin.
>>>
>>
>> The link very clearly states that they're bleached, that's what oxygen
>> treated means.

> But it is not like chlorinated bleach. Bleaching is a process that
> can use various chemicals and methods to remove color and stains. Most
> of us are familiar with laundry bleach which is sodium hypochlorite.
> There are other methods. I'd go ahead and compost them.

Thank you. I figured it by 'oxygen' they didn't mean the maybe
not-eco-friendly type of bleaching, but I wasn't positive.

> http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-an-oxygen-cleaner.htm
> An oxygen cleaner, also sometimes called oxygen bleach, is a popular
> product that uses oxygen bubbles to lift stains and clean. This type
> of product is generally non-toxic and more environmentally friendly
> than traditional household cleaners that use chemicals such as ammonia
> or bleach. Most reviewers say that these cleaners are surprisingly
> powerful and successful at removing stains, though it may take a
> little longer to do so than traditional cleaners.

I add that type of cleaner to my laundry and I'm happy with the
results. I was having trouble with my new, more efficient washer.
They don't clean like the older models did. This is not about the
front loading/HE washers, not trying to start a debate about
those.

> These cleaning produces generally use one of three possible active
> ingredients: hydrogen peroxide, sodium percarbonate, or sodium
> perborate. Hydrogen peroxide is a liquid, but the others are powders;
> this is why consumers can find both powdered and liquid versions.

Thanks again, I appreciate the help, into the compost they go. It
needs a nitrogen boost.

nancy

[James Silverton]

On 1/13/2013 1:29 PM, Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>

> On 1/13/2013 12:25 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> I add that type of cleaner to my laundry and I'm happy with the
>> results. I was having trouble with my new, more efficient washer.
>> They don't clean like the older models did. This is not about the
>> front loading/HE washers, not trying to start a debate about
>> those.
>

> I have a new, non agitator top loader and it along with HE detergent,
> does a great job of cleaning.
>
> I read a lot and decided against front loading and I'm really glad I did.
>
> Susan
Could you say why you did not like front loaders? I may well be in the
market for a washing machine and have been inclined to the front loaders.

--
Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

Extraneous "not" in Reply To.

[Nancy Young]

On 1/13/2013 12:21 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:08:02

-0500, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
> wrote:
>
>> Under the category of DUH, would these be considered
>> unbleached?
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/bypct5w
>>
>> Just want to be sure before I continue tossing them into
>> my compost bin.

> Go for it. No problem. This is one of the many sites online that says
> this type of filter is all right to compost.
>
>
http://www.greenyour.com/lifestyle/food-drink/coffee/tips/choose-reusable-or-recycled-coffee-filters
> Unbleached or oxygen-bleached filters can be composted along with
> coffee grounds and used for gardening purposes.

Yikes, I knew you'd be better off buying unbleached filters, but
that link makes me think they shouldn't even sell bleached.
Dioxin.

Thanks very much for the link, very informative. I'll be keeping
a (coffee!) can to collect the grounds/filters.

nancy

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:41:11 -0500, James Silverton
<not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:



>Could you say why you did not like front loaders? I may well be in the
>market for a washing machine and have been inclined to the front loaders.

I hang out on alt.home.repair Very often people are asking questions
about their poor functioning front loaders. They are efficient and
use little water, but they seem to be repair prone. I don't see any
real advantage considering the added cost and potential problems.
Early models had serous problems, but they seem to have gotten better.
I don't know about the new HE models or tub type.

[pltrgyst]

On 1/13/13 1:41 PM, James Silverton wrote:

>> I have a new, non agitator top loader and it along with HE detergent,
>> does a great job of cleaning.
>

> Could you say why you did not like front loaders? I may well be in the
> market for a washing machine and have been inclined to the front loaders.

We too have had a Kenmore Elite top loader without a center column for
about six years, and it does a great job. But I'm probably going to buy
new for the new house in FL later this month.

Front-loaders are all the rage, because they're more efficient in terms
of water use, and they supposedly clean more effectively. The downsides
are that if something goes wrong (say, a pump failure) you can't open
the door with all that water poised to escape; and you have to take
great care to avoid mold growth in the door seals, where water collects
after every load.

And raising the front-loaders on 12-16" bases for easier access is
unattractive to us, because we like to use the top area for folding.

Still undecided, so I'll be watching this sub-thread with interest...

-- Larry

[sf]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:08:02 -0500, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
wrote:

I Googled "is oxygen cleansed the same as unbleached?" and came up
with this Amazon review from: Rockline #4 Cone Coffee Filters - Oxygen
Cleansed- 400 Count

OK so for those health conscious individuals, they would probably
prefer the brown one or unbleached filters. Because of the chemicals
used in the bleaching process, bad for the health. This one is oxygen
bleached (not the oxy bleach you find in detergent but literally using
oxygen to bleach these filters), they would still use chemicals to
bleach this white completely but not as much since oxygen had done
most of the job. But still, the kind of bleach factories used to
bleach paper these days are not the same stuff they used before EPA &
the rest of the world wised up to the harmful effect the waste
products did to the water (ergo fishes & other seafoods we eat). And
yes they're still bad for your health since they're chemicals not
meant to be ingested but not toxic & most of the chemicals would be in
the pulp and the actual paper would contain only trace amounts that
it's negligible. And even if you eat the filters 3x a day, it would
probably take several lifetimes before it will kill you, LOL!

Then I Googled "can I compost oxygen cleansed coffee filters"
http://www.air-n-water.com/coffee-filters-information.htm
further down was
http://www.gardenguides.com/90562-compost-coffee-filters.html
which makes it look like it doesn't matter if you use bleached or
unbleached, just compost away.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

[sf]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:01:57 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:

> But it is not like chlorinated bleach. Bleaching is a process that
> can use various chemicals and methods to remove color and stains. Most
> of us are familiar with laundry bleach which is sodium hypochlorite.
> There are other methods. I'd go ahead and compost them.

One site I found said all the "better white" coffee filters are oxygen
bleached.

[James Silverton]

There have been some interesting disadvantages of front loaders posted
but I wonder why Laundromats and most Europeans seem to like them?

[Dave Smith]

On 13/01/2013 1:41 PM, James Silverton wrote:

>> I read a lot and decided against front loading and I'm really glad I did.
>>
>> Susan
> Could you say why you did not like front loaders? I may well be in the
> market for a washing machine and have been inclined to the front loaders.

I bought a front loader a couple years ago and have had not problems
with it. I live in the country and water is in short supply in the
summer, and the front loaders use a lot less water. They also use less
detergent. I get my laundry detergent from Melaleuca and only need to
order more ever 6-7 months. It seems to last forever.

My only issue was the funky smell but I about twice a year I put two
cups of vinegar in it and run a hot water cycle and that freshens it up
for months.

[Jim Elbrecht]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:41:11 -0500, James Silverton
<not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:

Not Susan-- but. . . I've been married almost 30 years. We started
out with a nearly new washer and a new electric dryer. . . Over the
years I fixed, repaired, wired together both of them until it was
impossible to do so, then replaced one or the other as needed.

About 6 years ago the dryer died & when I went to replace it, there
was a front loading set sitting on the floor of the appliance store &
I figured it was time to put an end to the perennial 'I've never had a
matching washer and dryer' statement. My wife had just commented on
the front loader she'd seen someplace, so I knew that was the washer
she wanted.

She was thrilled-- but then. . .
I had to build a platform for them so she could get the clothes from
the washer tot he dryer. we don't realize how much we use the top
of the washer to rest clothes, untangle, and sort them. Bending
over to drag them over tot he dryer was chore for both of our bad
backs.

Apparently we had a large capacity top loader-- the front loader
doesn't hold as much as it did.

Every couple of years I have to disassemble the damn thing to empty
coins, socks, color catchers and lint that somehow slip beyond the
drum and clog the drain. [the manufacturer knew it would happen and
provided a 'catch' cup. But it is an hour long chore that most folks
would have to call a repairman to do. ] Hopefully by now all
machines have made that cup readily accessible. don't buy one that
doesn't.
http://www.fixya.com/support/t178452-frigidaire_front_load_washer_ltf600es1

It *doesn't* clean any better than the top loader we had. [a
whirlpool] I don't think it is worse-- but it certainly isn't
better.

I find no advantage and several disadvantages to the front loading
washer.

Jim

[Ed Pawlowski]

On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 14:55:05 -0500, James Silverton
<not.jim....@verizon.net> wrote:



>>
>There have been some interesting disadvantages of front loaders posted
>but I wonder why Laundromats and most Europeans seem to like them?

The ones in the laundromats are better built. I've seen used Speed
Queen and Huebsch washers going for $3000. Doubt many homeowners
would pay the price for a new one.

[Ed Pawlowski]

After posting, I found the prices.
http://www.cheaplaundryequipment.com/commercial-washers

Some go for $12,000. The $900 Kenmore can't come close on durability.

[Nancy Young]

On 1/13/2013 2:22 PM, sf wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:08:02 -0500, Nancy Young <replyto@inemail>
> wrote:

>> Just want to be sure before I continue tossing them into
>> my compost bin.
>>
> I Googled "is oxygen cleansed the same as unbleached?" and came up
> with this Amazon review from: Rockline #4 Cone Coffee Filters - Oxygen
> Cleansed- 400 Count
>
> OK so for those health conscious individuals, they would probably
> prefer the brown one or unbleached filters. Because of the chemicals
> used in the bleaching process, bad for the health. This one is oxygen
> bleached (not the oxy bleach you find in detergent but literally using
> oxygen to bleach these filters), they would still use chemicals to
> bleach this white completely but not as much since oxygen had done
> most of the job. But still, the kind of bleach factories used to
> bleach paper these days are not the same stuff they used before EPA &
> the rest of the world wised up to the harmful effect the waste
> products did to the water

Interesting.

> (ergo fishes & other seafoods we eat). And
> yes they're still bad for your health since they're chemicals not
> meant to be ingested but not toxic & most of the chemicals would be in
> the pulp and the actual paper would contain only trace amounts that
> it's negligible. And even if you eat the filters 3x a day, it would
> probably take several lifetimes before it will kill you, LOL!

Yeah, I thought never mind putting them into the compost, what
about drinking coffee right out of a bleached filter! Doesn't
seem like a good idea.

>
> Then I Googled "can I compost oxygen cleansed coffee filters"
> http://www.air-n-water.com/coffee-filters-information.htm
> further down was
> http://www.gardenguides.com/90562-compost-coffee-filters.html
> which makes it look like it doesn't matter if you use bleached or
> unbleached, just compost away.

Thanks very much.

nancy

[dsi1]

I have a Korean front loading machines and you don't see any liquid
water when it's running so you would be able to open the door if it
stops in mid-cycle. I used to have an old front loader and you'd see the
water go up quite a ways. It was fascinating to watch. The new ones are
boring and you don't see much splashing action. My machine also has a
flat pancake motor that's directly connected to the tub. It's a neat thing.