OT: The acme of Covid fashion

[Bryan Simmons]

You want one of these. My wife and I got matching tigers, I got a giraffe, and she got a cheetah print. https://estore.stlzoo.org/BrowsePage.aspx?searchtype=navitem&NavItemID=99000108 With the ear saver thingies, they fit nicely over a respirator.


--Bryan

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 12:36:02 PM UTC-5, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
> You want one of these. My wife and I got matching tigers, I got a giraffe, and she got a cheetah print. https://estore.stlzoo.org/BrowsePage.aspx?searchtype=navitem&NavItemID=99000108 With the ear saver thingies, they fit nicely over a respirator.
>
>
> --Bryan
>

I'll pass but what are the ear saver thingies??

[Gary]

On 7/26/2020 1:35 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> You want one of these. My wife and I got matching tigers, I got a giraffe, and she got a cheetah print. https://estore.stlzoo.org/BrowsePage.aspx?searchtype=navitem&NavItemID=99000108 With the ear saver thingies, they fit nicely over a respirator.
>
>
> --Bryan
>

That "chimp child mask" is pretty funny. :)

[John Kuthe]

On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 12:36:02 PM UTC-5, Bryan Simmons wrote:

> You want one of these. My wife and I got matching tigers, I got a giraffe, and she got a cheetah print. https://estore.stlzoo.org/BrowsePage.aspx?searchtype=navitem&NavItemID=99000108 With the ear saver thingies, they fit nicely over a respirator.
>
>
> --Bryan

Those are not a respirator, they are a SPIT GUARD! ;-) To insure YOU don't SPIT on others! A respirator is a machine which breathes for you.

I'm an RN, I know!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

[jmcquown]

Don't get your knickers in a twist. It's just a link for face masks
being sold by the Saint Louis Zoo. He said they fit *over* a respirator
- okay that sounds wrong but it doesn't really matter. I sure as heck
don't need to order masks from a zoo. I have a friend who has a sewing
machine and she's been making excellent very comfy triple layer cloth
masks in a variety of fabrics.

Jill

[John Kuthe]

I HAD an N95 mask once, that thing was THICK man! I washed it in cool water once and I could not even breathe through it! I had to dry it off when I got it home!

I like the disposable little paper SPIT GUARDS better! I wear them for my yard work too! :-)

John Kuthe...

[Bruce]

Do you live alone in that house during this covid crisis or do you
still have tenants?

[John Kuthe]

NONE of YOUR BUSINESS!

NO Covid 19 in THIS HOUSE! :-)

I'm an RN, I would know! Influenza is hard to hide! Coughing, pneumonia, etc. High temps, etc.

John Kuthe...

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:08:26 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe

<johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 3:01:22 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:59:52 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I HAD an N95 mask once, that thing was THICK man! I washed it in cool water once and I could not even breathe through it! I had to dry it off when I got it home!
>> >
>> >I like the disposable little paper SPIT GUARDS better! I wear them for my yard work too! :-)
>>
>> Do you live alone in that house during this covid crisis or do you
>> still have tenants?
>
>NONE of YOUR BUSINESS!

You post every little detail about your life here, but the innocent
question whether you have tenants during the crisis is NONE OF MY
BUSINESS?

>NO Covid 19 in THIS HOUSE! :-)

And no tenants either.

>I'm an RN, I would know! Influenza is hard to hide! Coughing, pneumonia, etc. High temps, etc.

I'm not an RN and I'd have a pretty good idea too.

[Bryan Simmons]

On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 7:03:44 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 12:36:02 PM UTC-5, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > You want one of these. My wife and I got matching tigers, I got a giraffe, and she got a cheetah print. https://estore.stlzoo.org/BrowsePage.aspx?searchtype=navitem&NavItemID=99000108 With the ear saver thingies, they fit nicely over a respirator.
> >
> >
> > --Bryan
>
> Those are not a respirator, they are a SPIT GUARD! ;-) To insure YOU don't SPIT on others! A respirator is a machine which breathes for you.
>
> I'm an RN, I know!

You are a pervert who went into nursing with the hopes that you'd get to look at and touch female genitalia, especially young girls. Of course, almost everyone here already knows that.

I copied and pasted from merriam-webster.com
______________________________________________

Typically, a ventilator is a a device used to maintain artificial breathing or circulate fresh air, while a respirator is a mask used to protect the wearer from particulates in the air. Note that historically, respirator has been confused with ventilator often enough that it has a secondary definition similar to that of ventilator.

The COVID-19 pandemic has, for many people across the globe, brought about large questions, questions such as 'should I rethink my career?' 'why didn't anyone tell me that children are difficult to live with?' and 'what is the difference between a ventilator and a respirator?' Excellent questions all, and our answers are 'probably,' 'funny!' and 'see below.'

mechanical-ventilator

Ventilators vs. Respirators

The short answer is that ventilators are devices (designed to assist a patient breathe), and respirators are masks (designed to protect the wearer). The longer answer will, as longer answers so often do, slightly confuse things, so if you're looking for brevity and a misplaced feeling of clarity you should stop reading now.

The first definition we give for ventilator is the word's original sense, in use since the first half of the 18th century: "a device for introducing fresh air or expelling foul or stagnant air." The second sense is the one which is more often used today: "a device for maintaining artificial respiration especially :
a mechanized device that enables the delivery or movement of air and oxygen into the lungs of a patient whose breathing has ceased, is failing, or is inadequate; a mechanical ventilator" This definition includes the following note: "Modern, computerized mechanical ventilators typically monitor and customize gas delivery, maintain a constant pressure in the lungs to prevent the alveoli from collapsing, and deliver air and oxygen to the lungs by way of a tube inserted into the trachea through the mouth or nose."

We likewise offer two definitions for respirator. The first is the aforementioned one: "a mask or device worn over the mouth and nose to protect the respiratory system by filtering out dangerous substances (such as dusts, fumes, or bacteria) from inhaled air." This definition is also accompanied by a note: "Particulate respirator masks are only able to filter out particles and are not effective against gases or vapors. A numerical rating (such as 95 or 99) is sometimes assigned to such a respirator to indicate the percentage of particles filtered. A letter may also be assigned to indicate whether it is somewhat resistant (R), not resistant (NR), or strongly resistant (P) to the degrading effects of oil on proper respirator function."
Respirators Can Sometimes be Ventilators

However (and here we should note that however, although not defined as such, often functions as a word signifying that confusion is soon upon us), the second definition we give for respirator is "a device for maintaining artificial respiration; ventilator (sense b)." Why would we do such a thing? Because people have been using respirator to mean ventilator for a very long time. The 'mask' sense of respirator is older, dating to the first half of the 19th century, but the 'device' (or 'ventilator') sense of this word is almost as old, in use since the 1850s.

It can be confusing, as both words are concerned with breathing, or respiratory functions, and there is quite a bit of semantic overlap. If you are concerned about misuse simply restrict your use of respirator to the mask that protects the wearer (and others), and that of ventilator to the device that assists in breathing.

--Source:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/ventilator-or-respirator-difference
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>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

--Bryan

[Bryan Simmons]

On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 8:53:53 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:

While any mask is certain to improve your appearance, some of these animal ones are neat looking. I wish they made the chimp in adult size.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

[John Kuthe]

On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 3:45:05 PM UTC-5, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 7:03:44 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 12:36:02 PM UTC-5, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > > You want one of these. My wife and I got matching tigers, I got a giraffe, and she got a cheetah print. https://estore.stlzoo.org/BrowsePage.aspx?searchtype=navitem&NavItemID=99000108 With the ear saver thingies, they fit nicely over a respirator.
> > >
> > >
> > > --Bryan
> >
> > Those are not a respirator, they are a SPIT GUARD! ;-) To insure YOU don't SPIT on others! A respirator is a machine which breathes for you.
> >
> > I'm an RN, I know!
>
> You are a pervert who went into nursing with the hopes that you'd get to look at and touch female genitalia, especially young girls. Of course, almost everyone here already knows that.

...

Nope, I became a nurse to get a JOB in STL!

John Kuthe...

[John Kuthe]

The problem I have with masks is people can't see each other smile! :-)

John Kuthe...

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

How's that working out? Have they called you back to work at the part-time
weekend job you had?

[Hank Rogers]

RNs also know better than washing an n95 disposable mask.

But maybe not cannabis RNs

[jmcquown]

On 7/27/2020 4:08 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 3:01:22 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:59:52 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 8:53:53 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2020 8:03 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are not a respirator, they are a SPIT GUARD! ;-) To insure YOU don't SPIT on others! A respirator is a machine which breathes for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm an RN, I know!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian
>>>>>
>>>> Don't get your knickers in a twist. It's just a link for face masks
>>>> being sold by the Saint Louis Zoo. He said they fit *over* a respirator
>>>> - okay that sounds wrong but it doesn't really matter. I sure as heck
>>>> don't need to order masks from a zoo. I have a friend who has a sewing
>>>> machine and she's been making excellent very comfy triple layer cloth
>>>> masks in a variety of fabrics.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> I HAD an N95 mask once, that thing was THICK man! I washed it in cool water once and I could not even breathe through it! I had to dry it off when I got it home!
>>>

Gee, you couldn't breathe through it after you got it wet? DOH!

>>> I like the disposable little paper SPIT GUARDS better! I wear them for my yard work too! :-)
>>
>> Do you live alone in that house during this covid crisis or do you
>> still have tenants?
>
> NONE of YOUR BUSINESS!
>

He's not allowed to have tenants right now. He still hasn't been able
to renew the "Occupancy Permit". All that paint removal and repainting
going on, dontcha know.

> NO Covid 19 in THIS HOUSE! :-)
>

None here, either.

> I'm an RN, I would know! Influenza is hard to hide! Coughing, pneumonia, etc. High temps, etc.
>

Covid-19 is not "Influenza". It's a totally new and different virus.
All your pontificating about being an RN doesn't make you an expert
about masks or anything health related. Why don't you go have another
Cuppa Plus and calm down.

Jill

[Alex]

I they were supposed to be washed they wouldn't be in short supply.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 18:33:55 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 7/27/2020 4:08 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 3:01:22 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:59:52 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I HAD an N95 mask once, that thing was THICK man! I washed it in cool water once and I could not even breathe through it! I had to dry it off when I got it home!
>>>>
>Gee, you couldn't breathe through it after you got it wet? DOH!
>
>>>> I like the disposable little paper SPIT GUARDS better! I wear them for my yard work too! :-)
>>>
>>> Do you live alone in that house during this covid crisis or do you
>>> still have tenants?
>>
>> NONE of YOUR BUSINESS!
>>
>He's not allowed to have tenants right now. He still hasn't been able
>to renew the "Occupancy Permit". All that paint removal and repainting
>going on, dontcha know.

Oh, I missed that bit. I thought it was just because of covid. Anyway,
he's embarrassed to talk about it, so who knows.

[Bryan Simmons]

You can buy KN95 or FFP2 respirators. I wear an FFP2 every day at work, and I use them for many days, rotating them out when they get too smelly. I was threated with getting beat up today by a coworker for calling attention to him not wearing a face covering. I could have gotten him fired, but everyone is really stressed right now, and many folks aren't acting rationally. I'm kind of a pariah because of my outspokenness, but they can't fire me (or would be very foolish to do so) because I'm extremely productive, and the persons who are not properly masking are doing so in violation of an executive order from our County government.

I love my job, except for the danger that I'm put in by the non-compliance with masking and social distancing that is mandated by County government, albeit not enforced, so far.

This virus is almost exclusively transmitted through airborne droplets and particles, and the infective dose is pretty small. I am quite fond of my existence. Yeah, I eat too much and drink too much, and consequently am overweight, but I do what I can to minimize transmission of the virus. Covering the face is where it's at, the best tool we have until there's a vaccine.

--Bryan

[John Kuthe]

I like the cheap little paper spit protectors that my work gives me. I wear one for lawn care even, just to not breathe as much of Mother Gaia's Garden when I'm playing in it!

[Cindy Hamilton]

You can tell by looking at the eyes. A genuine smile shows up in the
eyes.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

I don't know if you can tell just from the eyes, without seeing the
rest of the face, but maybe you have a special gift.

[Mike Duffy]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 02:50:38 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> A genuine smile shows up in the eyes.

Whereas a politician's smile shows up at the bank.

[Janet]

In article <9c77fd6d-0bfa-4893...@googlegroups.com>,
johnk...@gmail.com says...

Yell the truth, John. Your house failed its latest inspection and
lost your letting permit.


Janet UK

[Gary]

In my opinion, John should just skip all that legal nonsense
and rent to anyone like his old Chinese landlord did.

No more "tenants" and going by regulations. He can just let
his "friends" live there and help out with costs.

Same situation without all these legal restrictions and
nonsense from the city.

Are you listening, John?

[jmcquown]

I love it, Janet. "Yell the truth"! He's already said he has to finish
repainting the pink and purple paint (he can't decide if it's "Shit
Brown" or "Nice Brown") before he can get his "occupancy permit"
renewed. In the middle of a global pandemic I can't think who would
want to live in a boarding house.

Jill

[Gary]

Maybe people that didn't inherit enough money to live on the
rest of their miserable lives and need cheap rent to survive.

[jmcquown]

He *did* inherit money. Have you forgotten how often he used to crow
about how RICH he is? As for it being "NONE of YOUR BUSINESS!" he's
made it everyone's business by talking about his "housemates"... just
not lately because he can't rent rooms right now. At least he did try
to do everything right (legally) when it comes to occupancy permits.

Jill

[Gary]

I was talking about his housemates that would want to live in a
boarding house during a pandemic. Cheap rent might be their only
option.

[jmcquown]

I'm sorry if I misunderstood. He already said they evacuated the dorms
at the University months ago due to Covid-19. Don't ask me where those
students went; they certainly didn't move in with him. He hasn't had any
"housemates" in a long time because he's not allowed to. Cheap rent
might be the only option for many people, sure. It just isn't one of
his options right now.

Meanwhile, he's posting pictures of a copper *nail*. I'd really rather
look at and take pics of the birds and butterflies I can see out my
windows. Maybe I should start yelling about how much I enjoy Mother
Gaia. (heh)

Jill

[Bruce]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:04:35 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 7/28/2020 8:38 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article <9c77fd6d-0bfa-4893...@googlegroups.com>,
>> johnk...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 3:01:22 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>>> Do you live alone in that house during this covid crisis or do you
>>>> still have tenants?
>>>
>>> NONE of YOUR BUSINESS!
>>
>> Yell the truth, John. Your house failed its latest inspection and
>> lost your letting permit.
>>
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>I love it, Janet. "Yell the truth"! He's already said he has to finish
>repainting the pink and purple paint (he can't decide if it's "Shit
>Brown" or "Nice Brown") before he can get his "occupancy permit"
>renewed.

Since when can you be forced to paint your house? Is this "code"
again?

[Cindy Hamilton]

Not "code" as such. "Code" is mainly about safety and health. There's
a National Electrical Code (NEC), a plumbing code, building codes for
structural matters, etc. Not every place requires building to code, but
most of those are extremely rural. Or Texas. ;)

Some cities define historical districts where the colors used must be
historically accurate. I think John lives in one of these. They're
easy enough to avoid if you know in advance that your prospective
house is in such a district. A prospective homeowner must investigate
for himself whether the house is located in a historical district.

John is under additional restrictions because he operates a rooming house.
The government doesn't much care if I endanger my life by having
deteriorated concrete walkways, but they won't let John endanger his
tenants in that way.

Millions of Americans voluntarily buy houses in neighborhoods that are
controlled by "Homeowners' Assocations" (HOAs). The HOA can specify
colors that residents are allowed to paint their houses, and they
can apply a myriad of other restrictions, such as Christmas lights,
flags, garden structures, storage of unused vehicles, ad infinitum.
Again, relatively easy to avoid if you are forewarned.

John's paint difficulties are largely self-inflicted.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:09:55 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelica...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Not "code" as such. "Code" is mainly about safety and health. There's
>a National Electrical Code (NEC), a plumbing code, building codes for
>structural matters, etc. Not every place requires building to code, but
>most of those are extremely rural. Or Texas. ;)
>
>Some cities define historical districts where the colors used must be
>historically accurate. I think John lives in one of these. They're
>easy enough to avoid if you know in advance that your prospective
>house is in such a district. A prospective homeowner must investigate
>for himself whether the house is located in a historical district.
>
>John is under additional restrictions because he operates a rooming house.
>The government doesn't much care if I endanger my life by having
>deteriorated concrete walkways, but they won't let John endanger his
>tenants in that way.
>
>Millions of Americans voluntarily buy houses in neighborhoods that are
>controlled by "Homeowners' Assocations" (HOAs). The HOA can specify
>colors that residents are allowed to paint their houses, and they
>can apply a myriad of other restrictions, such as Christmas lights,
>flags, garden structures, storage of unused vehicles, ad infinitum.
>Again, relatively easy to avoid if you are forewarned.
>
>John's paint difficulties are largely self-inflicted.

So he painted his house the wrong colour and the HOA went WHOA? And
now he has to repaint it?

But I still don't understand why you can't have tenants in a house
that's being repainted. I never told people to evacuate before I
painted their house.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Not the HOA but probably something called the Historic District Commission.
But, essentially, yes.

> But I still don't understand why you can't have tenants in a house
> that's being repainted. I never told people to evacuate before I
> painted their house.

That's unclear. I've never heard of that either. Perhaps the inspector
found some health/safety violations but all John cares about is the
pink and purple paint so he's not telling us everything.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:27:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

I once painted my parents 1930s house light green and blue. Nobody
complained, although these commissions exist in the Netherlands too.

>> But I still don't understand why you can't have tenants in a house
>> that's being repainted. I never told people to evacuate before I
>> painted their house.
>
>That's unclear. I've never heard of that either. Perhaps the inspector
>found some health/safety violations but all John cares about is the
>pink and purple paint so he's not telling us everything.

We might never know, because he's embarrassed to talk about his lack
of tenants for some reason. I was just curious.

[Ed Pawlowski]

School is out so I imagine they went home. With Covid, many are having
on-line classes so no reason to rent a room near the school.

[jmcquown]

On 7/28/2020 3:09 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> John's paint difficulties are largely self-inflicted.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Exactly. According to what he's written (quite voluntarily) there was
someone on whatever this board may be (not an actual HOA) who largely
ignored the pink, purple and lavender paint a couple of years ago. Now
that person isn't around anymore and he was pretty much told he has to
change it. He's the one who keeps bring up "occupancy permits". It's
not a giant leap to imagine the two things are somehow linked. It also
makes sense he probably can't rent rooms (for safety reasons) since the
house is essentially a one big construction zone at the moment.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Yes, the University shut down in March because of Covid-19. The
students likely went home to India if they could. There aren't any
students attending classes near his house right now and likely won't be
for the foreseeable future. (Still no reason for him to yell "NONE of
YOUR BUSINESS!". He's made it everyone's business from the get-go.)

It's probably just as well he doesn't have anyone staying there right
now. It's a construction zone.

Jill

[Alex]

Evidently "he's right here"...

[Leo]

On 2020 Jul 28, , Bruce wrote
(in article<09tvhfdk7tvr05p9b...@4ax.com>):

> I don't know if you can tell just from the eyes, without seeing the
> rest of the face, but maybe you have a special gift.

I have that gift too. You could probably google smiling eyes, angry eyes,
dead eyes, etc., but most people don’t need the help. I worry about you
sometimes.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

That's two of us that can spot smiling eyes, angry eyes, etc.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 15:03:49 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

lol

[Bruce]

Maybe it's not smiling eyes, but they forgot their sunglasses.