the demise of the Birds Eye frozen Fordhook lima bean
Kate Connally
of my usual peas. Come to find out no one in town carries
the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
Come to find out further that they don't make them anymore.
Called Birds Eye and let them have what for. The very idea!
It seems Giant Eagle has their own store brand of frozen Fordhooks
but I'm very skeptical that they will be satisfactory. It has been
my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
of frozen veggies pretty much suck. Therefore I only buy Birds Eye.
Green Giant is okay, but they just don't make anything I like. As
for limas they only have the baby limas in "butter" sauce. I *hate*
baby limas.
So, now what am I going to do???? What a revoltin' development
this is!
Kate
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Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
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Mr. Bill
wrote:
>So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
>of my usual peas.
I have been having a very hard time finding Ford hook Limas also.
Don't understand why. Not being a brand maven, it's not a
problem buying and serving store brands. Actually, they are very
available for most items.
We have tinkered with lima beans and have a nice variation on the
vegetable. The raspberry vinegar adds a nice "bite".
@@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format
Lima Beans
vegetables
10 oz lima beans, frozen
1/4 cup water
1 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon garlic, chopped
1/2 teaspoon cumin, or to taste
1 teaspoon raspberry vinegar
1/2 teaspoon oregano
1 pinch sugar
1 tb pimentos, chopped
In a small saucepan, bring lima beans to a boil with the water. Cover
and
simmer for 8 minutes, stirring occasionally to break up beans.
Transfer beans and cooking liquid to food processor and add remaining
ingredients. Process until the consistency of smooth mashed potatoes.
Serve immediately and top with a few chopped pimento for color.
Yield: 4 servings
** Exported from Now You're Cooking! v5.84 **
Bon Appétit
notbob
> my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
> of frozen veggies pretty much suck.
It's been my experience that any frozen lima bean of any kind pretty much
sucks. The bean skin is always too tough. I completely avoided lima beans
of any kind for decades until a friend introduced me to dried lima beans and
showed me how to cook them. Just boil in hot water at rolling boil till
done. No pre-soaking. The skins become a thin diaphonous whisper of a
skin, not tough and chewy as old rubber.
nb
Sheldon
> So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
> of my usual peas. �Come to find out no one in town carries
> the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
> Come to find out further that they don't make them anymore.
> Called Birds Eye and let them have what for. �The very idea!
>
> It seems Giant Eagle has their own store brand of frozen Fordhooks
> but I'm very skeptical that they will be satisfactory. �It has been
> my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
> of frozen veggies pretty much suck. �Therefore I only buy Birds Eye.
> Green Giant is okay, but they just don't make anything I like. �As
> for limas they only have the baby limas in "butter" sauce. �I *hate*
> baby limas.
>
> So, now what am I going to do???? �What a revoltin' development
> this is!
Fordhook lima beans are the nomal large lima bean. Baby lima beans
are a separate variety, they are not a immature Fordhook.
I can't imagine any brand of frozen fordhooks being any differnt from
another. Essentially the biggest affect on frozen veggie quality is
how well does a store keep them frozen. Lima beans are not a popular
veggie to begin with, let alone the large fordhook, probably why Birds
Eye dropped them, but there are many other brands.
jmcquown
Yep. I think the last time I bought Fordhook's (love 'em, they've got such
a bad rep) it was Pictsweet brand. But the store brand is no different. I
think they're pretty much all processed in the same place(s) and simply get
different brands/labels slapped on them. I love Fordhook lima beans. It's
not like they've fallen off the face of the earth :)
Jill
Jinx Minx
"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Sheldon wrote:
>> On Nov 21, 4:41?pm, Kate Connally <conna...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>>> So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
>>> the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
>>> Come to find out further that they don't make them anymore.
>>>
>>> It seems Giant Eagle has their own store brand of frozen Fordhooks
>>> my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
>>> Green Giant is okay, but they just don't make anything I like. ?As
>>> for limas they only have the baby limas in "butter" sauce. ?I *hate*
>>> baby limas.
>>>
>>> So, now what am I going to do???? ?What a revoltin' development
>>> this is!
>>
>> Fordhook lima beans are the nomal large lima bean. Baby lima beans
>> are a separate variety, they are not a immature Fordhook.
>>
>> I can't imagine any brand of frozen fordhooks being any differnt from
>> another. Essentially the biggest affect on frozen veggie quality is
>> how well does a store keep them frozen. Lima beans are not a popular
>> veggie to begin with, let alone the large fordhook, probably why Birds
>> Eye dropped them, but there are many other brands.
>>
>> http://www.pictsweet.com/premdetail.shtml#family
>
>
> Yep. I think the last time I bought Fordhook's (love 'em, they've got
> such a bad rep) it was Pictsweet brand. But the store brand is no
> different. I think they're pretty much all processed in the same place(s)
> and simply get different brands/labels slapped on them. I love Fordhook
> lima beans. It's not like they've fallen off the face of the earth :)
>
> Jill
That's exactly true. I used to work for a major vegetable producer, so I
know. After we'd frozen or canned the major label, we'd package for private
labels out of the same batch. That being said, there are some private
labels that use lower grade veggies than the premium A grade quality. I
found that most of the lower grade private labels were packed for southern
state grocery chains or for overseas, or so it seemed. It's been a long
time, so I can't remember which brands were the same as the A grade and
which were B grade, unfortunately. On the plus side, although B grade was
never substituted when A was in short supply, we would substitute A grade
product for B grade labels when necessary.
Jinx
val189
> I believe that Fordhook is also known (espeically in southern USA) as butter
> bean.
Oh, never knew that. My other half can eat em right out of the can.
I use em to make a quick hummus with tahini and garlic. My local
Savalot sells em under the Diane's Garden brand name - dirt cheap
too. Diane's Garden tomatoes in the can are not bad either - about 49
cents a can. I use em when I'm out of puree.
Cryambers
> So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
> of my usual peas. Come to find out no one in town carries
> the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
> Come to find out further that they don't make them anymore.
> Called Birds Eye and let them have what for. The very idea!
>
Birds Eye Fordhook Limas were my very favorite frozen vegetable, since
childhood (and I'm in my late 40's). I love them enormously:-( I had
noticed that it became increasingly difficult to find them in recent
years. I've still got a stash of them in my freezer. I'd been
parceling them out slowly, but I guess I should use them, since having
to throw them out because of freezer burn would add insult to injury.
Grumble.
pat
Goomba
> Birds Eye Fordhook Limas were my very favorite frozen vegetable, since
> childhood (and I'm in my late 40's). I love them enormously:-( I had
> noticed that it became increasingly difficult to find them in recent
> years. I've still got a stash of them in my freezer. I'd been
> parceling them out slowly, but I guess I should use them, since having
> to throw them out because of freezer burn would add insult to injury.
>
> Grumble.
>
> pat
I dunno how but my kids love 'em. I never went out of my way to serve
them yet they picked up the taste for them.
Strange how that happens?
I find them gaggy starchy. <shiver!>
jmcquown
Ah, the great "butter bean" debate! I'm telling you, butter beans are not
Fordhook limas! Butter beans are brown. Well, tan :) Yellowish, even.
And sometimes they are speckled, yes. Fordhook lima beans are plump fat
very green beans that burst in your mouth when you bite into them! Dang,
now I want to make some of these for Thanksgiving! Might just have to do
two vegetables for Thanksgiving. Shay (the CNA) likes broccoli so that's a
safe one. Who knows? she might even like Fordhooks!
Jill <---starting another grocery list
Wayne Boatwright
I did all my shopping for Thanksgiving this afternoon. Decided to make
old-fashioned succotash. Fordhook limas, whole kernel corn, some butter,
heavy cream, and a light sprinkle of thyme.
--
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Sheldon
> val189 wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 7:45 p wrote:
>
> >> I believe that Fordhook is also known (espeically in southern USA)
> >> as butter bean.
>
> > Oh, never knew that. �My other half can eat em right out of the can.
> > I use em to make a quick hummus with tahini and garlic. �My local
> > Savalot sells em under the Diane's Garden brand name - dirt cheap
> > too. �Diane's Garden tomatoes in the can are not bad either - about 49
> > cents a can. � I use em when I'm out of puree.
>
> Ah, the great "butter bean" debate! �I'm telling you, butter beans are not
> Fordhook limas! �Butter beans are brown. �Well, tan :) �Yellowish, even.
You're wrong, Jill... butter beans is simply southern speak for
fordhooks. And color has nothing whatsoever to do with it, various
soils impart particular minerals that sometime stain as they're
dissolved in the cooking liquid and often when vegetables are cooked
(heated) they acquire various shades, especially when cooked in the
can with minimal liquid and not drained... canned limas are usually
shades of light brownish yellow (ecru/taupe?) because the minerals
leached from the bean become concentrated in the small amount of
liquid and actually dye the bean... most southerners obviously only
eat canned beans because they don't cook much from scratch. LOL
---> http://www.ochef.com/52.htm
Today I'll be making bean soup... I have three pounds of dried navy
beans and a mess 'o smoked ham hocks and lots of veggies... onions,
celery, carrots, collards, green beans, okra, garlic, last of the
parsley before it freezes... soup means clean out the fridge day. I'm
thinking my 16 quart pot.
Sheldon
Frozen limas are frozen fresh, not dried. If yours are starchy you
didn't cook them long enough.... simmer about 30 minutes, do not
boil. Unlike other beans canned limas are also processed from fresh,
often over processed which is why they're typically mushy.
nobody but us chickens
"Wayne Boatwright" <waynebo...@geemail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat 22 Nov 2008 12:21:33a, jmcquown told us...
>
>> val189 wrote:
>>> On Nov 21, 7:45 pm, "l, not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I believe that Fordhook is also known (espeically in southern USA)
>>>> as butter bean.
>>>
>>> Oh, never knew that. My other half can eat em right out of the can.
>>> I use em to make a quick hummus with tahini and garlic. My local
>>> Savalot sells em under the Diane's Garden brand name - dirt cheap
>>> too. Diane's Garden tomatoes in the can are not bad either - about 49
>>> cents a can. I use em when I'm out of puree.
>>
>>
>> Ah, the great "butter bean" debate! I'm telling you, butter beans are
>> not Fordhook limas! Butter beans are brown. Well, tan :) Yellowish,
>> even. And sometimes they are speckled, yes. Fordhook lima beans are
>> plump fat very green beans that burst in your mouth when you bite into
>> them! Dang, now I want to make some of these for Thanksgiving! Might
>> just have to do two vegetables for Thanksgiving. Shay (the CNA) likes
>> broccoli so that's a safe one. Who knows? she might even like
>> Fordhooks!
>>
>> Jill <---starting another grocery list
>>
>>
>
> I did all my shopping for Thanksgiving this afternoon. Decided to make
> old-fashioned succotash. Fordhook limas, whole kernel corn, some butter,
> heavy cream, and a light sprinkle of thyme.
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright
SUCCOTASH! I made that last year & went over quite well, I'd forgotten that.
Better add that the ingredients to my shopping list.
Sheldon
>
> Today I'll be making bean soup... I have three pounds of dried navy
> beans and a mess 'o smoked ham hocks and lots of veggies... onions,
> celery, carrots, collards, green beans, okra, garlic, last of the
> parsley before it freezes... soup means clean out the fridge day. �I'm
> thinking my 16 quart pot.
Been (bean) cooking all day...
The pot!
http://i34.tinypic.com/fcjh5h.jpg
Move in for a look see:
http://i34.tinypic.com/14loxuh.jpg
Jean B.
is a great day to both cook and eat it.
--
Jean B.
Sheldon
Twelve degrees F. this AM in the Catskills... perfect soup day.
Jean B.
> Twelve degrees F. this AM in the Catskills... perfect soup day.
>
when I got downstairs the last few days.
--
Jean B.
Kate Connally
> On 2008-11-21, Kate Connally <conn...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>
>> my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
>> of frozen veggies pretty much suck.
>
> It's been my experience that any frozen lima bean of any kind pretty much
> sucks. The bean skin is always too tough.
I have not found that to be the case, but then I only eat
Birds Eye. Maybe other brand and generic are of lesser
quality and have tougher skins.
> I completely avoided lima beans
> of any kind for decades until a friend introduced me to dried lima beans and
> showed me how to cook them. Just boil in hot water at rolling boil till
> done. No pre-soaking. The skins become a thin diaphonous whisper of a
> skin, not tough and chewy as old rubber.
Yeah, but dried limas are a totally different thing. I love
dried limas but they're not the same as green fresh or frozen
limas. You can't really replace one with the other. Although
I do have a great Brunswick Stew recipe which uses dried limas
instead of the traditional green limas. I like B. S. both ways
but like the dried limas better. Nevertheless I have no desire
to substitute dried for green in my vegetable soup.
Kate Connally
It's been my experience that the non-Birds Eye frozen veggies I have
tried are of poor quality. Maybe the process all the brands at the
same place and sort out the best ones for Birds Eye and put the
"seconds" in the other boxes. ;-)
Kate Connally
> On 21-Nov-2008, Kate Connally <conn...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>
>> It seems Giant Eagle has their own store brand of frozen Fordhooks
>> but I'm very skeptical that they will be satisfactory. It has been
>> my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
>> of frozen veggies pretty much suck. Therefore I only buy Birds Eye.
>> Green Giant is okay, but they just don't make anything I like. As
>> for limas they only have the baby limas in "butter" sauce. I *hate*
>> baby limas.
>>
>> So, now what am I going to do???? What a revoltin' development
>> this is!
>>
>> Kate
>
> (Fordhook?) and speckled butter beans. I have tried the speckled and found
> them to be of good quality; I have not yet tried the butter beans, but have
> been pleased with every Pictsweet product I've tried.
I've seen butter beans and they are not green - they're sort of
yellowish. Fordhooks are green.
teet...@gmail.com
Jeßus
>That's exactly what I think too!
outlets.
Bruce
col...@gmail.com
Bruce
> On 19-May-2016, Bruce <br...@bruce.invalid> wrote:
Yes.
> If you had, you might be tempted to
> slaughter a few rabbits as well.
No.
> I'm fortunate and don't have to chase
> down and kill my own; they are available dressed and frozen at the local
> international market for about $4 each.
A very fair price!
itsjoan...@webtv.net
>
> That's exactly what I think too!
>
>
loismil...@gmail.com
jmcquown
> I'm having same problem. Can't make green Lima bean soup without them. Lois in Maryland
>
learn how to quote what they are replying to.
I buy store brand frozen Fordhook limas all the time at Publix in South
Carolina. PictSweet is probably available, too. I haven't looked for
Birds Eye probably becase they cost more. That, and I don't use frozen
limas for making soup.
Jill
Cindy Hamilton
> On 9/29/2018 11:27 AM, loismil...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I'm having same problem. Can't make green Lima bean soup without them. Lois in Maryland
> >
> The same problem as what? I do wish people using Google Groups would
> learn how to quote what they are replying to.
at the damned date and not reply to posts that are 2 years (or more) old.
Cindy Hamilton
Cherl West
> So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
> of my usual peas. Come to find out no one in town carries
> the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
> Come to find out further that they don't make them anymore.
> Called Birds Eye and let them have what for. The very idea!
> but I'm very skeptical that they will be satisfactory. It has been
> my experience in the past that store brands and other lesser brands
> of frozen veggies pretty much suck. Therefore I only buy Birds Eye.
> Green Giant is okay, but they just don't make anything I like. As
> for limas they only have the baby limas in "butter" sauce. I *hate*
> baby limas.
> So, now what am I going to do???? What a revoltin' development
> this is!
> Kate
> Kate Connally
> “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
> Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
> Until you bite their heads off.”
> What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?
> mailto:conn...@pitt.edu
itsjoan...@webtv.net
> On Friday, → → → November 21, 2008 ← ← ← Kate Connally wrote:
>
> > So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
> > of my usual peas.
>
>
>
jmcquown
> On Friday, November 21, 2008 at 3:41:03 PM UTC-6, Kate Connally wrote:
>> So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
>> of my usual peas. Come to find out no one in town carries
>> the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
> I LOVE Fordhook Lima Beans and do not care what anyone says...Fordhooks are the ONLY Lima's beans worth eating. Boil in sugar water and top with brown butter...nothing better! MISS my frozen Fordhooks!!! (Agree with you...the others have no clue!)
>
reply. I can figure it out.
Never fear, even though Kate hasn't posted here in a decade those frozen
Fordhooks have not disappeared. Might be different brand names or even
store brands but they're still around. And NO, do NOT boil them in
"sugar water" or top them with brown butter. Not if you like the taste
of Fordhook lima beans.
Jill
Bruce
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 7:40:24 PM UTC-6, Cherl West wrote:
>>
>>
>> > So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
>> > of my usual peas.
>>
>> I LOVE Fordhook Lima Beans and do not care what anyone says...Fordhooks are the ONLY Lima's beans worth eating. Boil in sugar water and top with brown butter...nothing better! MISS my frozen Fordhooks!!! (Agree with you...the others have no clue!)
>>
>>
>Why in the Hell did you wait t.w.e.l.v.e. y.e.a.r.s. (12) to tell us this?
Bruce
wrote:
>On 11/17/2020 8:40 PM, Cherl West wrote:
>> On Friday, November 21, 2008 at 3:41:03 PM UTC-6, Kate Connally wrote:
>>> So, this year I decided to have lima beans for Tday instead
>>> of my usual peas. Come to find out no one in town carries
>>> the good old-fashioned Birds Eye frozen Fordhooks anymore.
>(snippage)
>
>> I LOVE Fordhook Lima Beans and do not care what anyone says...Fordhooks are the ONLY Lima's beans worth eating. Boil in sugar water and top with brown butter...nothing better! MISS my frozen Fordhooks!!! (Agree with you...the others have no clue!)
>>
>Oh dear... where ever did you dredge up this 2008 post? Don't bother to
>reply. I can figure it out.
jmcquown
Kate used to post wonderful things about cooking for Thanksgiving. Back
around 2008. I'm pretty darn sure she's solved the Fordhook lima bean
dilemma by now. I know I don't have any problem finding them. Might
not be "Birdseye"; plenty of bags of store brand and other brands of
frozen Fordhook limas.
Jill
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Julie Bove
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songbird
...
they're pretty easy to grow. :)
and they're so good picked when they are still fresh and
green instead of all dried then they can be cooked/steamed.
we eat them as much as we can get out and pick, shell and
cook.
frozen are ok, but home grown are a few steps up.
songbird
Gary
>
> and they're so good picked when they are still fresh and
> green instead of all dried then they can be cooked/steamed.
> we eat them as much as we can get out and pick, shell and
> cook.
in my freezer yesterday. I heated it up and absolutely
loved it. I had forgotten about it...what a nice surprise.
It was made from a 30-year old bag of dried limas.
I also made a new batch of chicken stock with carrots
and onions. Will make some chicken soup today and freeze
the rest of the stock in pint containers.
Ophelia
"songbird" wrote in message news:kqre8h-...@anthive.com...
I've never seen or heard of them here:( What have I missed:((((
jmcquown
Jill
songbird
> On 11/18/2020 9:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
> A variety (Fordhook) of lima beans.
climate. we do ok with them here.
songbird
Denise Thomson
Bruzza
> I live on the west coast and just found this thread... because I so miss having Fordhook Lima Beans and went searching for why I can't find them !! Used to be able to get them at Safeway...but they have been dropped. I search every store I go in and nada! Baby Limas are awful and that is what all the stores carry. I have tried several cans of Limas, but they are all the baby limas and in a can taste awful. The frozen ones were great. Now I am looking if I can grow them in Washington state...Why can't I find them anymore and who eats baby lima beans...they are like bullets even after hours of cooking!
I think people use intoxicants to dull psychic pain. Why do you think they use them?
songbird
> I live on the west coast and just found this thread... because I so miss having Fordhook Lima Beans and went searching for why I can't find them !! Used to be able to get them at Safeway...but they have been dropped. I search every store I go in and nada! Baby Limas are awful and that is what all the stores carry. I have tried several cans of Limas, but they are all the baby limas and in a can taste awful. The frozen ones were great. Now I am looking if I can grow them in Washington state...Why can't I find them anymore and who eats baby lima beans...they are like bullets even after hours of cooking!
ones picked fresh before they have dried down and then
are frozen can cook up in somewhere between 12-15 minutes.
dried beans can take longer, an hour to two and a half
hours - depends upon how old the beans are but also perhaps
a few other factors like elevation and if you have hard
water these might also add some time.
to me these are not comparable and i consider them very
different in flavor and texture.
i can't recall the last time i ate any canned lima beans
or even if i ever have in my life. it doesn't seem
familiar enough. when we cook up a large batch from the
shellies or from dried beans i can freeze them for later
use and those are good.
as for Washington state it might be too cool and wet in
some parts for lima beans to do well.
songbird
Sqwertz
High School. Sunnyvale CA - Pickleball Co-Champion of the Class of
'84 and the only co-ed team pair that year?
Last time I got the frozen Fordhook lima beans was 6 years ago and
half them were hard and unpleasant, the others edible. I had to
write them off.
-sw
-sw
jmcquown
> I live on the west coast and just found this thread... because I so miss having Fordhook Lima Beans and went searching for why I can't find them !! Used to be able to get them at Safeway...but they have been dropped. I search every store I go in and nada! Baby Limas are awful and that is what all the stores carry. I have tried several cans of Limas, but they are all the baby limas and in a can taste awful. The frozen ones were great. Now I am looking if I can grow them in Washington state...Why can't I find them anymore and who eats baby lima beans...they are like bullets even after hours of cooking!
I buy on a regular basis.
Jill
Denise Thomson
Denise Thomson
Denise Thomson
Live in the banana belt (Sequim) of Washington....so growing them is a possibility!
GM
B-)
--
GM
jmcquown
https://i.postimg.cc/VkJyF9SZ/fordhooks.jpg
I buy them at Publix Supermarket which is a southeastern regional
grocery store chain based in Florida. This is their store brand. I
love Fordhook limas and hope you can find some.
Jill
Hank Rogers
Her royal majesty usually does a better job of screening any new
poster, then moderating anything they may post.
Only 4 or 5 people here are in her royal register. All others are
considered trolls.
It's OK though.
Hank Rogers
Besides, I thought yoose was a homo?
Yoose done gone straight?
GM
'Specially since BEANZ are on "the menu"...
--
GM
GM
Think 'Venus de Milo "...
--
GM
songbird
...
>
> Live in the banana belt (Sequim) of Washington....so growing them is a possibility!
day before).
i'm not sure what i have are Fordhook Lima beans or Henderson Bush
Lima beans - whatever they are they are good eating from shelly stage
steamed for 10-15 minutes or cooked from dry stage however long that
takes (1&1/2 to 2 hours). i hardly ever pre-soak beans of any kind
my body seems to not care or is used to them as i do regularly eat
beans.
i also obtained a sample of Baby Green Lima beans which are not
either of the above from what i can tell and i'm growing those in
a different garden so they won't be mixed up with the others upon
harvest.
it can be a challenge during harvest to keep all the varieties of
beans i grow separate from each other as i do isolate early beans
harvested from one variety from later beans as i do want to select
for earlier harvest through time. with limited space for stacking
box tops or box flats it can be a challenge. :) it looks like
i'll have about 40-50 bean varieties planted this season by the
time i'm done (in a week i hope will finish up).
there are many different lima bean varieties available - many of
them are pole beans which normally don't do great here with a
shorter season, but they certainly do produce well.
send me a note in the fall or winter and i'd be happy to send
you samples of the above or other beans for planting for next
season. or if you'd like the sources i use i can send you those
links.
happy gardening!
songbird
Monna Nugent
> "jmcquown" wrote:
> > val189 wrote:
> > > On Nov 21, 7:45 p wrote:
> >
> > >> I believe that Fordhook is also known (espeically in southern USA)
> > >> as butter bean.
> >
> > > Oh, never knew that. �My other half can eat em right out of the can.
> > > I use em to make a quick hummus with tahini and garlic. �My local
> > > Savalot sells em under the Diane's Garden brand name - dirt cheap
> > > too. �Diane's Garden tomatoes in the can are not bad either - about 49
> > > cents a can. � I use em when I'm out of puree.
> >
> > Ah, the great "butter bean" debate! �I'm telling you, butter beans are not
> > Fordhook limas! �Butter beans are brown. �Well, tan :) �Yellowish, even.
> > And sometimes they are speckled, yes. �
> You're wrong, Jill... butter beans is simply southern speak for
> fordhooks. And color has nothing whatsoever to do with it, various
> soils impart particular minerals that sometime stain as they're
> dissolved in the cooking liquid and often when vegetables are cooked
> (heated) they acquire various shades, especially when cooked in the
> can with minimal liquid and not drained... canned limas are usually
> shades of light brownish yellow (ecru/taupe?) because the minerals
> leached from the bean become concentrated in the small amount of
> liquid and actually dye the bean... most southerners obviously only
> eat canned beans because they don't cook much from scratch. LOL
> ---> http://www.ochef.com/52.htm
> Today I'll be making bean soup... I have three pounds of dried navy
> beans and a mess 'o smoked ham hocks and lots of veggies... onions,
> celery, carrots, collards, green beans, okra, garlic, last of the
> parsley before it freezes... soup means clean out the fridge day. I'm
> thinking my 16 quart pot.
I know this is an old OLD post but I don't want people to read this and think you're right. You are definitely wrong. If you had ever picked Fordhooks off the bush and then picked the speckled butter beans you would know the difference. It's like night and day. Fordhooks are a big pale colored bean. Speckled butter beans are more like regular butter beans in size and they have specs in them. Hence the name, Speckled butter bean. You can also order the seeds from a reputable company and plant them yourself to see the difference. I'm from the south. Every year we would pick both beans from the same farm using the same soil. The differences are quite noticeable even if you're not looking for them. You are however, correct when you say soil and other factors can have a part in what you grow. You can't grow greasy beans in Florida. They turn in to regular green beans. Go get some greasy beans from North Carolina and you have some good eating. On the other end of the spectrum, taste a Fordhook and then try speckled butter beans. You'll see and taste the difference.
Michael Trew
above.
jmcquown
first time around. I was talking about frozen Fordhooks (love them!),
he kept talking about canned and speckled butter beans. Sheldon loves
to speculate about what "Southerners" eat.
Jill
GM
eating two things:
- grits
- pussy
Lol...!!!
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GM