I am melting

[Dave Smith]

It rained like hell here for three days.This is the third day of clear
skies and heat. It is only 10:30 am and it is already 27 C (81F) and
with the high humidity the "feels like is is 36C (*97F)
I have been outside spraying weeds and even that left me dripping wet.
It is time to hop on the motorcycle and enjoy some 2 wheel A/C. Then I
will return to the air conditioned house and watch a movie or something.

[Ed P]

On 7/6/2023 10:29 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> It rained like hell here for three days.This is the third day of clear
> skies and heat. It is only 10:30 am and it is already 27 C (81F) and
> with the high humidity the "feels like is is 36C (*97F)

I am not in a position to feel sorry for you. Our low last night was 81
and the high today will be the real 97, the "feels like" about 110.

Later this afternoon, I'll leave my air conditioned house and drive my
air conditioned car to take my granddaughter to the bank and then her
air conditioned work.

Yesterday, in the sun my car showed 100 outside on the street.

[Dave Smith]

On 2023-07-06 11:35 a.m., Ed P wrote:
> On 7/6/2023 10:29 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> It rained like hell here for three days.This is the third day of clear
>> skies and heat. It is only 10:30 am and it is already 27 C (81F) and
>> with the high humidity the "feels like is is 36C (*97F)
>
> I am not in a position to feel sorry for you.  Our low last night was 81
> and the high today will be the real 97, the "feels like" about 110.

Of course you don't feel sorry for me. That is what you are used to.
That is why I live up here and not in Florida. I would rather deal with
the cold and put on another layer of clothing than not be able to go
outside without melting in the heat and humidity. Up here we start to
melt at 80F.

>
> Later this afternoon, I'll leave my air conditioned house and drive my
> air conditioned car to take my granddaughter to the bank and then her
> air conditioned work.
>
> Yesterday, in the sun my car showed 100 outside on the street.

That's about 20 degrees too hot for me.

I was out on the motorcycle for a while. It is quite pleasant at 30 mph,
but if you have to stop for a traffic light you get that same humid heat
but accented by the heat of the engine.

[Ed P]

On 7/6/2023 12:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2023-07-06 11:35 a.m., Ed P wrote:
>> On 7/6/2023 10:29 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> It rained like hell here for three days.This is the third day of
>>> clear skies and heat. It is only 10:30 am and it is already 27 C
>>> (81F) and with the high humidity the "feels like is is 36C (*97F)
>>
>> I am not in a position to feel sorry for you.  Our low last night was
>> 81 and the high today will be the real 97, the "feels like" about 110.
>
> Of course you don't feel sorry for me. That is what you are used to.
> That is why I live up here and not in Florida.  I would rather deal with
> the cold and put on another layer of clothing than not be able to go
> outside without melting in the heat and humidity.  Up here we start to
> melt at 80F.
>

I'm a bit more used to it but hot is still hot over 90 and humid. I
don't spend much time outdoors in July, August, September. The tradeoff
though, in February when you are shoveling snow in a bitter wind, I am
sitting on the lanai enjoying an adult beverage in the sun.

[Bruce]

Ok Dave, but keep us posted!

[Cindy Hamilton]

With a little luck (and now I've just jinxed it), El Nino will
bring us a mild winter this year.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Thomas]

96f outside and my real feel is 68f. I will get the real feel in the ass when the electric shows up.
Pennsylvania.

[Ed P]

My estimated bill for this very hot month is $129. Three days to go.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Presently, it's 86°F, but feels like 91° but we had a heavy shower a little while ago.
Humidity is 58% and the dewpoint is 68°. Central air is chugging away.

[John Kuthe]

On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 9:29:33 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:

Global Warming is a bitch, and that is why I have a 100% electric car, my Nissan Leaf!

John Kuthe, RN, BSN

[Dave Smith]

It has dropped to 79F and we have heavy rain and thunderstorms headed
this way.

[Ed P]

Hottest day world wide in the past 120,000 years.

https://www.wfla.com/weather/climate-classroom/earths-hottest-weather-in-120000-years-its-just-getting-started/

[GM]

Ed P wrote:

> Later this afternoon, I'll leave my air conditioned house and drive my
> air conditioned car to take my granddaughter to the bank and then her
> air conditioned work.
>
> Yesterday, in the sun my car showed 100 outside on the street.

Then there's this poor mope:

"The high temperature the day before the man was found was 126 degrees with the overnight temperature
hitting 98 degrees..."

Man found dead in car with two flat tires amid 126-degree heat at Death Valley National Park

July 6, 2023

https://nypost.com/2023/07/06/california-parkgoer-found-dead-in-car-at-death-valley-national-park/

"A parkgoer was found dead inside a vehicle with two flat tires amid extreme heat at Death Valley National Park in California on Monday — the latest in a string of fatalities at federal parkland this summer, according to officials.

The 65-year-old San Diego man was discovered off the side of the road in his sedan with his windows rolled down in the park, the National Park Service said in a news release.

A maintenance worker noticed the vehicle about 30 yards off the road from North Highway around 10 a.m., finding the man unresponsive, officials said.

He was declared dead at the scene.

Tire tracks indicated the car drove along the road shoulder and rocky beam before further veering away from the paved road.

While the vehicle didn’t crash, it had two flat tires.

The initial probe into death indicates that a heat-related illness might have caused the car to run off the road.

It was determined the car was operational, but the air conditioning wasn’t working while the man was driving, the park service said.

The high temperature the day before the man was found was 126 degrees with the overnight temperature hitting 98 degrees.

The 65-year-old’s death is one of several to happen at national parks in recent months.

A father and his teen step-son both died while hiking in the punishing heat at Big Bend National Park in Texas last month.

The 14-year-old boy fell ill along the trail and lost consciousness before he was pronounced dead at the scene on June 23. The father, 31, in a rush to get help after the boy passed out fatally crashed his car.

A 57-year-old woman died while hiking in extreme heat at the Grand Canyon, officials also said Monday. Her body was found early Monday after emergency crews received reports of a distressed hiker the evening before, officials said.

A 35-year-old Rhode Island man was killed when he plummeted off the edge of a waterfall at Rocky Mountain National Park and was sucked underwater, officials said.

And in May a woman was found dead in her car at Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming with officials later revealing she shot herself..."

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[Thomas Joseph]

How long on the hog? How fast? Let's say an hour. I wonder how many
tickets I could write you in that amount of time. Not just for traffic violations.
I'm talking some of the stuff you do before hopping the hog and later after
dismounting. What kind of movie did you watch? With who? Or what?
How much do you pay for air conditioning? Where do you get the money?
We need to know more about what's happening in your life. And belief me
Chief, we are learning more and more about you every day. We have a
complete dossier on you Sargent Smith.

[GM]

"Don't sweat it..."

😎

--
GM

[Bryan Simmons]

It was warm yesterday at Echo Bluff SP, near the Current
River. Your Leaf wouldn't make it there. Isn't it a bitch that
you have no one to go camping with? Remember these?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/53030448875/in/album-72177720309611830/

Yep, Echo Bluff. Right near where some arrogant clown
got his VW stuck in the gravel, and had to be pulled out
by some local yahoos.
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN

--Bryan

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-07, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
> Hottest day world wide in the past 120,000 years.

> https://www.wfla.com/weather/climate-classroom/earths-hottest-weather-in-120000-years-its-just-getting-started/

Misunderstood proxy data and estimates mean everything to a
prognosticator. Prognosticators mean everything to a segment of the
population. Hence, Zoltar on the boardwalk.

[GM]

Leo, you explained it much more elegantly than I could have... thank you...!!!

;-)

Temperatures have barely budged in the last ten years, and many places set heat records many decades ago (1936...)
or even in the 19th century. and that have yet to be surpassed...

Here's a look at the real sitch:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/07/07/hottest-day-evah/

Hottest Day Evah!

Do they think we are really so gullible?

?Tuesday was the hottest single day on Earth in the history of human civilization, according to a combination of global satellite data and historical tree ring analysis. One point in far northern Canada was hotter than Miami. In Siberia, the temperature in Altai hit 94°F. Despite July being mid-winter in the Southern Hemisphere, temperatures in Argentina and Chile soared to more than 86°F (30°C). In the Philippines, Metro Manila recorded its hottest-ever July day. The temperature in Iran, Algeria, and Oman all reached 122°F (50°C).

“It hasn’t been this warm since at least 125,000 years ago, which was the previous interglacial,” Paulo Ceppi, a climate scientist at London’s Grantham Institute, told the Washington Post. Given Earth’s annual temperature cycle typically peaks in late July, this is a record that could be broken several more times this month.

https://currently.beehiiv.com/p/july-6-2023?utm_source=currently.beehiiv.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=currently-july-6-2023-earth-s-hottest-day-in-recorded-history

The idea that we know the global temperature today is absurd in itself. But the idea that we actually know what it was on a given day 100 years ago, or 1000 years ago, never mind thousands of years ago is sheer fraud.

And the claim that it is hotter now than 5000 years ago is a total lie – there is abundant evidence that it was much warmer then.

And as always with all of these silly scare stories, they cherry pick some high temperatures in the Arctic, knowing that the public will find them alarming because they assume the Arctic is always freezing normally.

And according to the con merchants, there has been record-setting melt of the Greenland ice sheet.

Maybe Eric Holthaus has been holding his graph upside down! Greenland has added 100Gt of ice during June, when it is supposed to be melting.

Then there’s Siberia:

“In Siberia, the temperature in Altai hit 94°F.”

But again we learn that temperatures often exceed 90F there; the record of 96F was set in 2000:

Naturally the BBC and the rest of the media lackeys have been peddling the same lies and nonsense..."


--
GM

[Michael Trew]

That sounds well worth it to me. I had the same mid-80's and high
humidity with no A/C yesterday (A/C at work, however). I survived.
Same heat today, but with less humidity... which made it very enjoyable out.

> With a little luck (and now I've just jinxed it), El Nino will
> bring us a mild winter this year.

December aside, last winter was very mild here. Hardly a bit of snow in
January or February.

[Michael Trew]

$50 or less here, and that's with the dehumidifier running in the
cellar. $32 if I left the dehumidifier off.

[cshenk]

3.26 so far. Went solar December 2022.

[Thomas Joseph]

cshenk wrote:

Ed P wrote:


> My estimated bill for this very hot month is $129. Three days to go.



> 3.26 so far. Went solar December 2022.

That's like bragging that you don't spend a lot of money on
gas because you have a limo driver. Somewhere along the
way you spent more money than you may think. Sometimes
it costs money to pay less for things.

[Hank Rogers]

Shame. If you were still in sasebo it would be only 5 yen.

[Bruce]

About as useful as a faggot taking a pregnancy test, lol!

[Ed P]

Very good. I was wondering how it was working out.

[Thomas Joseph]

Bruce wrote:

Thomas Joseph wrote:


> > That's like bragging that you don't spend a lot of money on
> > gas because you have a limo driver. Somewhere along the
> > way you spent more money than you may think. Sometimes
> > it costs money to pay less for things.


> About as useful as a faggot taking a pregnancy test, lol!

Also funny is the way auto sales are aimed at wealthy people
on the basis of how much gas costs. As if they're going to
give up their Rolls Royce for a skateboard to pay less for gas.
Also funny are the coupon people who spend hours cutting
coupons out of the paper to save money, as if time has no
value. I can't deny it, I am sometimes riled by the coupon
people in the checkout aisles. I don't care that they use
coupons. Hell, I use food stamps. But it's the way they do
it. Always very slow. Like people who pay with checks. It's
almost like they're doing it on purpose just to see how far they
can go with it. I am actually a pretty patient person. But when
I sense dawdlers in front of me who don't care or are possibly
going out of their way to create friction - I can become impatient
pretty fast. The solar people. Nothing against them personally.
However, they do remind me of the rescue people. You know,
people with pets who refer to them not as pets but as rescues.
These are people who want everyone to think they care about
the human race top to bottom - right in there with the save the
seals crowd. "Yeah but mine's a rescue", they will say as if it's
something special which it clearly is not. All pets are rescues
no matter how they are obtained. A puppy mill, a pet shop,
a dog farm, off the street, or from the local pound it doesn't
matter, they are all rescues at some point. Some are rescued
before they become rescues. All this inspired by solar power.
Wow, that's some powerful stuff.

[cshenk]

Not really. I break even in 8 years, not counting electrical hikes
going on in Virginia with more due next year. Got a big tax rebate
that paid off 1/3rd of it.

[cshenk]

Surprisingly well considering my system was only rated for 51%
replacement. This month I expected a bill due to all the AC needed.

[Thomas Joseph]

cshenk wrote:

Thomas Joseph wrote:

> > That's like bragging that you don't spend a lot of money on
> > gas because you have a limo driver. Somewhere along the
> > way you spent more money than you may think. Sometimes
> > it costs money to pay less for things.


> Not really. I break even in 8 years, not counting electrical hikes
> going on in Virginia with more due next year. Got a big tax rebate
> that paid off 1/3rd of it.

I can't speak for you but I might if I feel like it. You may not be
one of them, but some people who use solar power and other
less conventional means of energy - more than just some, most -
can be very arrogant at times. "I use solar power", they cry, as if
everyone in the world can just hook up to it. When it comes to
energy it's always going to cost. Take gasoline for example. They
say cars can run on garbage. I don't doubt it. But they talk as if
garbage is going to cost less than gasoline. I'm saying it doesn't
matter where the energy source comes from - if gas today is
$4.25 a gallon, then garbage tomorrow will cost the same. I
am not saying the sun is garbage. It has plenty of expendable
energy. But it could get angry if it's over used. The last thing we
want is the sun to get angry. So yes, let's use it. But let's not go
overboard.

Anyway, my point is that some people who use solar power
and drive new electric cars like to pass themselves off as
ecologically friendly while tending to ignore the cost of set-up
for those who can't afford it. In other words, it may cost less
than using conventional energy - but only if your lifestyle allows
you to afford it in the first place. I'm not against it, just the
attitude of some who go that route. If you are not one of them
then you may ignore my comments. Or not. Gracias.

[Bruce]

Well, that certainly is very "bright" of you ;)

[Thomas Joseph]

Bruce wrote:

> Well, that certainly is very "bright" of you ;)

Thanks, Sunny.

[Michael Trew]

cshenk wrote:
>
> 3.26 so far. Went solar December 2022.
>

> I break even in 8 years, not counting electrical hikes
> going on in Virginia with more due next year. Got a big tax rebate
> that paid off 1/3rd of it.

Don't you still have to pay tax on the solar electric that you generate?
I heard that is so near me... it should be illegal.

[cshenk]

Nope. Never heard of that. It's not 'income' in the classic sense. I
do still pay the dominion service charge. 7.68mo. I have no battery
so that's night time use.

I use an annual average of 1.1 kWh so 26.4 per day. My production on
1-11 July is averaging 32.8 per day.

Good deal for a system only supposed to cover 51% of my needs!

Now at your usage levels, a system like mine is probably overkill.
You'd fit more to the 9-10K cost system. Maybe less. A Jackeray setup
(Amazon, under 600$, 3 panels and a battery with regular 3prong plugins
slots) would be a useful startup. You just put it in the yard but can
be mounted on a shed roof etc.

[cshenk]

Not quite. 1 yen = roughly 1 penny.

[Bryan Simmons]

On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 6:17:14 PM UTC-5, Thomas Joseph wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
> Thomas Joseph wrote:
>
> > > That's like bragging that you don't spend a lot of money on
> > > gas because you have a limo driver. Somewhere along the
> > > way you spent more money than you may think. Sometimes
> > > it costs money to pay less for things.
>
>
> > Not really. I break even in 8 years, not counting electrical hikes
> > going on in Virginia with more due next year. Got a big tax rebate
> > that paid off 1/3rd of it.
> I can't speak for you but I might if I feel like it. You may not be
> one of them, but some people who use solar power and other
> less conventional means of energy - more than just some, most -
> can be very arrogant at times. "I use solar power", they cry, as if
> everyone in the world can just hook up to it. When it comes to
> energy it's always going to cost. Take gasoline for example. They
> say cars can run on garbage. I don't doubt it. But they talk as if
> garbage is going to cost less than gasoline. I'm saying it doesn't
> matter where the energy source comes from - if gas today is
> $4.25 a gallon, then garbage tomorrow will cost the same. I
> am not saying the sun is garbage. It has plenty of expendable
> energy. But it could get angry if it's over used. The last thing we
> want is the sun to get angry. So yes, let's use it. But let's not go
> overboard.
>

I agree that we *really* don't want the Sun to get angry.

--Bryan

[Thomas Joseph]

Bryan Simmons wrote:

> I agree that we *really* don't want the Sun to get angry.

LOL. The sun is a violent ball of rampant energy. We can see it
not only because it's large but also because it's bright. There is
an equal sized sun of pure ice that clocks in at 3,000 degrees
below zero. Both suns are slowly heading in our direction. If
they both arrive at the same time they will cancel each other
out. Otherwise, how would you prefer to go - in a giant ball of
flames or shivered into a frozen cube of equally hungry and
always wanting to expand ice? I kind of like both at the same
time. What a wallop that would be. "Man it's getting hot", followed
by, "Holy crap, it's freezing", followed by the two extremes suddenly
cancelling themselves out and bringing a new and improved sense
of serenity and balance to earth and its peoples. Oh yeah man.