Kangaroo
Chris Bayliss
Anyone got any suggestions/recipes for cooking, or do you just treat
it as game?
Chris
Mark Horne
In article <4mv7c9$7...@sun4.bham.ac.uk>, bayl...@sun1.bham.ac.uk (Chris
Bayliss) wrote:
> Anyone got any suggestions/recipes for cooking, or do you just treat
> it as game?
The only time I've had it, it was grilled. It was at a restaurant, so I
can't help with a recipe. It was a little tough, so I assume marinating
it and treating it as game is the way to go. I'm sure someone from Oz
will chime in on this thread.
Mark
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Alison Williams
Chris Bayliss (bayl...@sun1.bham.ac.uk) wrote:
: Anyone got any suggestions/recipes for cooking, or do you just treat
: it as game?
: Chris
Yep, treat it as game. It's very lean, tastes great, and possibly keeps
down the huge numbers of 'em developing out the back of Bourke.
It's great sliced wafer thin quickly stir fried in butter with any veggies,
a steak of it cooked quickly with port and mushroom sauce, I've put it
in a pie after stewing it with port and ginger and onions (now THAT was a
great meal) and lots of pepper.
so, um, yeah, treat it as game. It is game. And it's on our coat of arms.
love,
alison
Arthur & Ridgway
>
>> Anyone got any suggestions/recipes for cooking, or do you just treat
>> it as game?
>
it, then being very lean, it can dry out while you're cooking it, so you
need to check and maybe add a little water from time to time.
Jim Arthur
JC Hume
will...@lester.chem.usyd.edu.au (Alison Williams) wrote:
>Chris Bayliss (bayl...@sun1.bham.ac.uk) wrote:
>: Anyone got any suggestions/recipes for cooking, or do you just treat
>: it as game?
>: Chris
>Yep, treat it as game. It's very lean, tastes great, and possibly keeps
>down the huge numbers of 'em developing out the back of Bourke.
>love,
>alison
One of our restaurants has just had a visiting chef from Tasmania. As
part of his special menu, he introduced wallaby and smoked emu.
We hold an annual function for about 150 people at this time of year
and can expect the seats to be snapped up normally. Unfortunately,
because of its cute connotations, many people called to cancel their
reservations when they saw that we were serving wallaby this year.
The thing is, IMO, it seems that far less strain would be put on any
country's agricultural system if it would concentrate on the rearing
and supplying of indiginous species. I have heard that in the
drought, (which is often in O), the sheep, silly things, have to be
hand fed by the farmers. Many farmers go to the wall or very close to
it each year.
Kangeroo and wallaby meat may sound exotic and perhaps endangered to
some, but the truth is they are not. They are considered vermin or
road kill in agricultural Australian states though the meat is tender,
low-fat and delicious. They can survive Australia's sometimes harsh
climate better than introduced livestock, while taking less out of the
land.
If a larger market for this meat and that of emu, (another low-fat
meat, with the added advantage of having valuable feathers) could be
established, then surely it would be a better environmentally
sustainable choice for every-one? Particularly the farmer!
Does anyone have any comments on this? Would you eat wallaby?
Awra best,
Julie
Lee Latta
> Does anyone have any comments on this? Would you eat wallaby?
>
> Awra best,
>
> Julie
If we (as in southerners...) can eat rabbit, squirl, catfish
(yuk) and such, I don't
see why wallaby would be a problem. It has just not been
introduced to us as a meat that would be desirable. Forget cute,
if the squirl in the cereal commercial is not cute, I don't
know what is, and we still eat squirl. I think that if marketed
right, you could sell rats on a stick and people would flock!
Lee Latta
Kathryn
ju...@jimmys.com (JC Hume) wrote:
>The thing is, IMO, it seems that far less strain would be put on any
>country's agricultural system if it would concentrate on the rearing
>and supplying of indiginous species. I have heard that in the
>drought, (which is often in O), the sheep, silly things, have to be
>hand fed by the farmers. Many farmers go to the wall or very close to
>it each year.
>Does anyone have any comments on this? Would you eat wallaby?
I completely agree with you, Julie, and yes, I'd eat wallaby. In the
area I live, deer are dangerous (to motorists) and pests to farmers,
but every time hunting season opens in the fall people whine about the
mean hunters who are killing Bambi's mother. And the deer populations
are still far too high to be healthy.
BTW, we live just about 2 miles from an emu ranch (in central Iowa).
They are becoming more popular as an alternative livestock.
Kathryn
Ed Rich
Lee Latta <jll...@hq.ingr.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any comments on this?
>
>If we (as in southerners...) can eat rabbit, squirl, catfish
>(yuk) and such, I don't
>see why wallaby would be a problem. It has just not been
>introduced to us as a meat that would be desirable. Forget cute,
>if the squirl in the cereal commercial is not cute, I don't
>know what is, and we still eat squirl. I think that if marketed
>right, you could sell rats on a stick and people would flock!
>Lee Latta
Well yes I do have a comment so long as you asked, and I'm not trying
to be difficult. I believe you are refering to "Squirrel".
Mary f(pud)
Kinda makes me think of Kanga and Roo (the little one is watching
Winne the Pooh right now) :-).
But hey, I'd try it. Why not!
Mary f (need to get my sig on this new account).
Carey Starzinger
ju...@jimmys.com (JC Hume) wrote:
>Kangeroo and wallaby meat may sound exotic and perhaps endangered to
>some, but the truth is they are not. They are considered vermin or
>road kill in agricultural Australian states though the meat is tender,
>low-fat and delicious. They can survive Australia's sometimes harsh
>climate better than introduced livestock, while taking less out of the
>land.
If this is true and they are not endangered or in need of protection, OR if
they were raised commercially for food, then they would serve as a suitable
food source.
>If a larger market for this meat and that of emu, (another low-fat
>meat, with the added advantage of having valuable feathers) could be
>established, then surely it would be a better environmentally
>sustainable choice for every-one? Particularly the farmer!
I would think that this would be a natural. We raise a lot of different
animals and birds as food, why not emu's and kangaroos? It would be a new
industry and the farmer should benefit.
>Does anyone have any comments on this? Would you eat wallaby?
>Awra best,
>Julie
If the above criteria were met, (not endangered or in environmental
trouble) then yes, I would eat it or at least try it. I may not prefer it
as a meat source, but not because of any built in predjudices against the
animals. I prefer to not eat brains, but I still recognize it as a food
source to people that like it.
Keep smokin' and BBQ'in
Carey
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Mary f(pud) (ma...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: Kinda makes me think of Kanga and Roo (the little one is watching
: Winne the Pooh right now) :-).
This, and Mimi's comment on her web page that someone's rabbit recipies
would be, to her, like eating Thumper, made me think:
Why do we romanticise some animals and not others? Am I the only person
who thought of Wilbur when served pork, or looked mournfully at my
goldfish before eating my fish and chips?
Ny
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Arthur & Ridgway
In article <4n82aq$j...@mcrware.microware.com>, kath...@microware.com
(Kathryn) wrote:
>ju...@jimmys.com (JC Hume) wrote:
>
>>The thing is, IMO, it seems that far less strain would be put on any
>>country's agricultural system if it would concentrate on the rearing
>>and supplying of indiginous species. I have heard that in the
>>drought, (which is often in O), the sheep, silly things, have to be
>>hand fed by the farmers. Many farmers go to the wall or very close to
>>it each year.
>
>>Does anyone have any comments on this? Would you eat wallaby?
>
>I completely agree with you, Julie, and yes, I'd eat wallaby. In the
>area I live, deer are dangerous (to motorists) and pests to farmers,
>but every time hunting season opens in the fall people whine about the
>mean hunters who are killing Bambi's mother. And the deer populations
>are still far too high to be healthy.
>
Unfortunately, in a drought, indigenous animals go just as hungry and
thirsty as any other animals, and would need just as much hand feeding. It
would be very difficult to 'farm' kangaroos for many other reasons - one
being that they don't take much notice of fences! There are also the
'political' problems - due to the perceptions people have about kangaroos,
it seems that the US, in particular, would refuse to speak to us if we
started farming our cuddly Kangas.
Having said that, kangaroos would be a lot easier on the local environment
than the introduced animals. However, they are simply not very suitable
for being 'farmed'. They would have to be treated more as game animals,
and insofar as they are being utilised for meat now, that is how it is
being done. You can buy kangaroo meat in supermarkets here in Oz, and you
can get it in some restaurants.
Would I eat it myself? Yes, I have, and would. It is very lean, so you
have to be careful that it doesn't dry out when you are cooking it, but
apart from that, it is very tasty and, so I am told, much better for you
than beef or mutton.
Jim Arthur
John Hobson
des...@gil.com.au (Arthur & Ridgway) wrote:
It would be very difficult to 'farm' kangaroos for many other reasons - one
>being that they don't take much notice of fences! There are also the
>'political' problems - due to the perceptions people have about kangaroos,
>it seems that the US, in particular, would refuse to speak to us if we
>started farming our cuddly Kangas.
I have an 18-year-old son who refuses to eat rabbit because he sees them as
cute, cuddly bunnies. I keep telling him that I only cook evil, vicious
rabbits; rabbits that have been condemned to death for their many heinous
crimes, but he refuses to buy that. (Maybe that's because he found out at
the age of seven that I was not being entirely truthful when I told him
that chocolate was mined in Bolivia.)
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Lauretta Nagel
I think what you choose to eat (and not think about the
little critter involved) depends on how hungry you are.
I have this uncle who used to say something about the little
critters at the beginning of every family meal. Imagine the
10 of us (his family plus ours) sitting around the table,
passing the Thanksgiving turkey while he says, "Just think
of the big bird running around the forest gobbling...."
He invariably got an "Oh Daaad/Uncle CHRIS!"
Lauretta
PS Leg of lamb was also abused..."think of the little lambs
running about the pasture with their little tails, baaahing
away."
idlewild
In article <4ncmnf$c...@marvel.stsci.edu>,
Lauretta Nagel <na...@spring.stsci.edu> wrote:
>PS Leg of lamb was also abused..."think of the little lambs
>running about the pasture with their little tails, baaahing
>away."
except they couldn't be running, if they didn't have legs...
maybe little amputated sheep rolling about on the field, flopping
from side to side baaahing...
mmm...
think i'm going to go home and have a steak!
(have i thoroughly disgusted everyone here?)
actually, tonight is vegetarian night - gonna try to make some 4 cheese
ravioli (ricotta, parmesan, romano, mozz.) with a light pesto sauce,
maybe some applesauce for dessert.
-j.
Miche
In article <4na656$9...@nadine.teleport.com>
cst...@teleport.com (Carey Starzinger) writes:
> I would think that this would be a natural. We raise a lot of different
> animals and birds as food, why not emu's and kangaroos? It would be a new
> industry and the farmer should benefit.
Kangaroo meat is sometimes available in New Zealand, although the
supply is sporadic and pricey (upwards of $10 a pound). I have heard
that it is the lowest cholesterol red meat around, and if cooked
properly is tender and delicious.
There are emu farms in Australia, so expect to see emu meat being
offered soon, if only as an exotic food. Ostriches are also being
farmed in New Zealand.
Miche
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The Goose
ju...@jimmys.com (JC Hume) wrote:
>Does anyone have any comments on this? Would you eat wallaby?
Sure would. It tastes good. I also beleive, IMHO, that if these
animals along with Emu, and Crocodile where bred for commercial gain
that you would almost eliminate the possibility of extinction due to
the fact that there would always be breeding programs in place.
Cheers,
Goose.
Sheri McRae
> Anyone got any suggestions/recipes for cooking, or do you just treat
> it as game?
>
> Chris
I live in Sydney and in the past five years or so kangaroo has been
appearing more and more frequently on restaurant menus. I don't eat meat
and haven't tasted kangaroo but it seems to generally be cooked in the
same way steak or perhaps venison would be cooked - grilled and usually
with a sauce.
Bob has ordered kangaroo and thinks it tastes vile but many people enjoy
it. My guess is that there is a "gamey" taste which doesn't appeal to
Bob.
Are you finding kangaroo in American butcher shops? Is it Australian kangaroo?
Cheers, Sheri
Sheri McRae she...@zeta.org.au
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- Yogi Berra
Samantha Lane
>
> Re: Kangaroo/Wallaby
>
> kath...@microware.com (Kathryn)
> Mon, 13 May 1996 21:23:44 GMT
> Microware Systems Corporation, Des Moines, Iowa
>
> Newsgroups:
> rec.food.cooking
> References:
> <4mv7c9$7...@sun4.bham.ac.uk> <4n6ik2$h...@metro.usyd.edu.au>
<4n6tmo$k...@icon1.intercon.net>
>
> >Does anyone have any comments on this? Would you eat wallaby?
> I completely agree with you, Julie, and yes, I'd eat wallaby.
Well, I saw two poor dead ones just down the road, would you like me
to pop them in the freezer for you? Sorry couldn't resist. Yep I'd eat
wallaby - in fact I've eaten roo only once but now it is available in
shops here I'm looking forward to eating more - 'cept its 'spensive -
because I believe that a soft footed animal (hooved animals rip up the
australian grass lands) which indigenous and just about drought proof
(important in australia) which would put less pressure on the worlds
grain supplies which are being fed to cattle at a ridiculous rate has to
be better. Phew! Some people think its wrong to eat the national symbol!
Sheesh!
> BTW, we live just about 2 miles from an emu ranch (in central Iowa).
> They are becoming more popular as an alternative livestock.
Yeah but emus aren't native to Iowa - what if they all escape and kick
down your dunny doors?
> Kathryn
Samantha
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Kathryn
s...@anpnt22.anp.ansto.gov.au (Samantha Lane) wrote:
>Well, I saw two poor dead ones just down the road, would you like me
>to pop them in the freezer for you? Sorry couldn't resist.
Trade you for those two dead deer at the side of the road! (My husband
works with a funny old guy that keeps track of all the road kill
and fills his freezer with the stuff, now there's your customer!)
>> BTW, we live just about 2 miles from an emu ranch (in central Iowa).
>> They are becoming more popular as an alternative livestock.
>Yeah but emus aren't native to Iowa - what if they all escape and kick
>down your dunny doors?
dunny doors? I don't think dunny doors are native to Iowa either.
What are dunny doors?
Kathryn
Sam Waring
On 16 May 96 Samantha Lane said this about that:
SL> Phew! Some people think its wrong to eat the national symbol! Sheesh!
Aw, that's only because us Yanks went and adopted an inedible bird as
our national symbol. We can't eat ours, so must is that nobody else ought
to eat theirs, or so the (so-called) thinking goes. OTOH, if Ben franklin
had had his way and got the wild turkey made the US's national bird, we
could not only eat our national symbol, but drink it. B-{)### (ObExegesis
for outside-of-North-Americans: "Wild Turkey" is a brand of bourbon sold
in the US.)
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Maryanne Todd
In article <4nbet9$j...@cygnus.mincom.oz.au> gr...@mincom.oz.au (The Goose) writes:
If it's a non-protected wallaby - definately. That's the problem with
wallaby - quite a fefw species are endangered, and you can never be sure
what's being offered at the meat market.
That aside - my husband and I eat more kangaroo than beef ... marinaded
in red wine, olive oil and tarragon or garlic, it's ambrosia... but I digress.
It really is MUCH, MUCH more ecologically viable to run kangaroo and other
natives as meat rather than the introduced sheep, beef cattle, etc. We buy
'roo meat because it's a reasonable prices, also. If crocodile, emu and
(non-protected) wallaby dropped to under $10/kilo ('roo is $5-ish/kilo)
we would certainly eat that as well. As it is, beef at $6.00 is better suited
to our budget that croc at $30/kilo......
Maryanne an omnivorous Australian...
Mary Elizabeth
Anyone remember the collection of National Lampoon cartoons called
"That's Not Funny, That's SICK!" The cover cartoon showed a couple
walking in the door of a fancy French restaurant advertising frog legs.
The man glances down & sees a string of little frogs in wheelchairs
coming out the service door.
MEB
Sheri McRae
In article <4nfu3b$q...@mcrware.microware.com>, kath...@microware.com
(Kathryn) wrote:
> s...@anpnt22.anp.ansto.gov.au (Samantha Lane) wrote:
>
>
> >Well, I saw two poor dead ones just down the road, would you like me
> >to pop them in the freezer for you? Sorry couldn't resist.
>
> >> They are becoming more popular as an alternative livestock.
> >Yeah but emus aren't native to Iowa - what if they all escape and kick
> >down your dunny doors?
>
> dunny doors? I don't think dunny doors are native to Iowa either.
> What are dunny doors?
>
> Kathryn
I'll bet they are native to Iowa, but not to Noo Yawk City. You're just
speaking a different language.
Dunny = outhouse. "Look at him standing there all alone like a country dunny."
And as my husband would say of the local footballers, "He's built like a
brick s**thouse."
Miche
In article <4nfu3b$q...@mcrware.microware.com>
kath...@microware.com (Kathryn) writes:
> >> BTW, we live just about 2 miles from an emu ranch (in central Iowa).
> >> They are becoming more popular as an alternative livestock.
> >Yeah but emus aren't native to Iowa - what if they all escape and kick
> >down your dunny doors?
>
> dunny doors? I don't think dunny doors are native to Iowa either.
> What are dunny doors?
Outhouse doors.
Samantha Lane
>
> Re: Kangaroo/Wallaby
>
> des...@gil.com.au (Arthur & Ridgway)
> Wed, 15 May 1996 11:54:54 GMT
> Desert Oak Publishing Services
>
> Unfortunately, in a drought, indigenous animals go just as hungry and
> thirsty as any other animals, and would need just as much hand
feeding.
I'm sure that's not true. Kangaroos have amazing abilities to withstand
drought. They have to to survive in the dryest continent in the world
(after antartica). I think I'd better got to the library and get out
the nature of australia! If they weren't better fitted to survive than
cows they wouldn't be such a nuisance and they wouldn't be being culled
at such a rate and then just left to rot rather than being eaten.
However, the situation at the moment is that roos are a pest to the
cattle industry and eating the culls makes sense but if we got rid of
the cows and farmed the roos I'm sure it would not be so simple.
But there's still the mthane issue and the soft foot issue as well.
Arthur & Ridgway
In article <sherae-1605...@dialup5b.syd1.zeta.org.au>,
she...@zeta.org.au (Sheri McRae) wrote:
>
>Bob has ordered kangaroo and thinks it tastes vile but many people enjoy
>it. My guess is that there is a "gamey" taste which doesn't appeal to
>Bob.
>
No, there isn't a 'gamey taste'. It just tastes like meat :-)
However, and this is very important, just as you would not expect to enjoy
ram, or bull, or an old he-goat, you wouldn't want to try buck kangaroo. I
don't know, but as the production of kangaroo meat for human consumption
is just getting organised, I wouldn't be surprised if the meat that one
encounters in restaurants or supermarkets is 'any old roo'.
If I were selecting a kangaroo to kill for meat, I would choose an
immature one of either sex.
Jim Arthur
Mary f(pud)
Sam Waring wrote>
> Aw, that's only because us Yanks went and adopted an inedible bird as
> our national symbol.
Are you sure it is ineible? :-) I don't think so! It's just not allowed
anymore, since they declared the Bald Eagle as the NATIONAL bird! The Bird is
on the extinction list for a reason. : -). Now, I don't know why, but we
can find out! :-)
> ... One should only see a psychiatrist out of boredom.--
Mary f.~~~(I'm not bored...but I'm on my way to the shrink (i can't spell
CY-kY-a-trist):-) ).
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" Mary f(pud)" <ma...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Sam Waring wrote>
<snip>
>> ... One should only see a psychiatrist out of boredom.--
>Mary f.~~~(I'm not bored...but I'm on my way to the shrink (i can't spell
>CY-kY-a-trist):-) ).
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> ( ; )
> ( ( ) )
> @__) (__@
>(My cats in heat, what's new with you?)
Ha! A cat that's on heat is enough to drive anyone to a shrink... or a
drink. Especially any variety of oriental cat. Shameless little
hussys. (I can't spell trick cyclist either.)
Regards,
Richard.
Iain G Liddell
In article <31A971...@earthlink.net>,
>> our national symbol.
>
Is it not allowed, or is it ill-eagle ?? :-)
Iain
Nancy Dooley
In article <4oecuh$3...@loki.brunel.ac.uk> Iain.L...@brunel.ac.uk (Iain G Liddell) writes:
>From: Iain.L...@brunel.ac.uk (Iain G Liddell)
>Subject: Re: Kangaroo/Wallaby
>Date: 28 May 1996 09:19:29 +0100
>Iain
Oh, and a big groan for this one! ;-)
Nancy Dooley
"Celebrate our State." Iowa's Sesquicentennial year, 1846-1996.
Steve Durand
Iain G Liddell (Iain.L...@brunel.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <31A971...@earthlink.net>,
: Mary f(pud) <ma...@earthlink.net> wrote:
: >Sam Waring wrote>
: >
: >> Aw, that's only because us Yanks went and adopted an inedible bird as
: >> our national symbol.
: >
: >Are you sure it is inedible? :-) I don't think so! It's just not allowed
: Is it not allowed, or is it ill-eagle ?? :-)
: Iain
It's not a good idea to eat ill-eagles.
Give ya mad eagle disease.
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Moderation is for monks!" - Lazarus Long (Robert A. Heinlein)
Ed Rinehart
Iain G Liddell wrote:
> Is it not allowed, or is it ill-eagle ?? :-)
>
> Iain
As penance, you are required to read the following.
A young lady of the SF bay area once took a summer job at a small
hemp plantation up north in Humbolt county CA. Her job was to
"sun-dry" the product by flipping the leaves over regularly to
catch the most solar energy possible. They let her go though
when she began using too much of the product. It seems that
she would tern no leaves unstoned.
Ed (tm) Rinehart (ducking)--(intentional miss-spelling of turn)
Veronica Sullivan
Right, Ed, is that like the kid throwing rocks at the beach so as to
leave no tern unstoned?
Or like, When God made mandrills She left no stern un-toned?
Or the taxidermist who loaned no tern unstuffed?
Or...
ron
Ray Bruman
Ed Rinehart (rine...@uwyo.edu) wrote:
: As penance, you are required to read the following.
: A young lady of the SF bay area once took a summer job at a small
: hemp plantation up north in Humbolt county CA. Her job was to
: "sun-dry" the product by flipping the leaves over regularly to
: catch the most solar energy possible. They let her go though
: when she began using too much of the product. It seems that
: she would tern no leaves unstoned.
When Ken Kesey was living in La Honda, California in the 60's
he actually put a sign at his driveway that read:
NO LEFT TURN UNSTONED
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