Porkchop Perfection! Friday, April 07, 2023 🐷

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

What are you having for dinner this Good Friday?? Cooking at home or
eating out tonight?

I opted for two 1½ to 2 inch thick, bone-in pork chops. They were smeared
with a dab of mayo on each side so the seasonings would stick. Into the
air fryer they went for 30 minutes at 400°, flipping after 15 minutes and they're
perfectly cooked and smell sooooo good. One chop will be consumed
Saturday as they're not only thick but large as well. Potato salad will be
nestled alongside Porky Pig on the plate.

[GM]

YUM... just ordered some nice pork chorps for Sunday dinner...

--
GM

[songbird]

probably a bowl of split pea and ham soup later.


songbird

[Thomas]

I will point out if you are mentioning Good Friday instead of Friday, it is a day to remember
the day Jesus was tortured and died for you. You can both celebrate what he did for you and grieve his death at the same time. Is today just Friday?

[GM]

Because of the Blessings bestowed by The Holy Father, and his son Jesus, we are able to enjoy the fruits of our labours...

So Joan, by enjoying her repast, is not just doing the "right thing", but also the *righteous* thing...

Thus assured is her place in Heaven...

O:-)

--
GM

[Thomas]

Doing the right thing every single day and being loving and righteous does absolutely notta to find your way to heaven.
There is only one way and Jesus has already paid for your past and future sins.
Being a good person is not the way.

[Dave Smith]

We had pan fried whitefish, air fries, steamed broccoli and salad.
Dessert was a hald dozen grapes and a Portuguese tart.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 17:54:11 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>

That sounds like gloomy, fundamentalist Dutch Protestantism. Its
closest Anglo relative is Presbyterianism, or so I was told.

[Ed P]

On 4/7/2023 8:54 PM, Thomas wrote:

> Doing the right thing every single day and being loving and righteous does absolutely notta to find your way to heaven.
> There is only one way and Jesus has already paid for your past and future sins.
> Being a good person is not the way.

OK. so you are saying Jesus cleared the way and we can be nasty a-holes?

[GM]

I don't think that Thomas is being a " Doubting Thomas "...

Perhaps more of a " Devil's advocate "...???

}B-)

--
GM

[Thomas]

Not how it works. The way to heaven is to truly believe. If you believe, you will not be an a-hole.
You can and will fail, and perhaps suffer, but your knowing is your guide.

[Thomas]

The point being is it Good Friday today or just Friday.

[GM]

That's what I keep *trying* to explain to Ed, lol...

--
GM

[Ed P]

I have my own beliefs. Plenty of Christians are pure hypocrites too. I
won't belong to a church.

[Bruce]

Fundamentalist Dutch Protestantism: We were all born sinners and no
matter how we live our lives, sinners we'll always be. If we don't go
to hell, it's not because we weren't sinners, but because God is so
good and forgiving.

[Thomas]

I am not a believer. I do however know the rules of the game.

[Bruce]

What people believe and don't believe is their business, but organised
religion's a curse.

[bruce bowser]

And I suppose that plenty of un-Christians are not?

> I won't belong to a church.

Why should you? "'My house shall be called a house of prayer,' but you make it a den of robbers." - Matthew 21:13

[Ed P]

If no one sinned, Jesus would have died for nothing.

[Dave Smith]

Don't forget what the big sins are. There are lots of fundamentalists
types who like to carry on about God's rules but those are the ideas of
some of the prophets. God's laws are the 10 commandments and the first
four are about him being the only God, not having graven images, not
taking his name in vain and keeping the Sabbath holy.

[Bruce]

What does that have to do with anything?

[Ed P]

On 4/7/2023 10:39 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 10:02:38 PM UTC-4, Ed P wrote:
>> On 4/7/2023 9:48 PM, Thomas wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:40:40 PM UTC-4, Ed P wrote:
>>>> On 4/7/2023 8:54 PM, Thomas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Doing the right thing every single day and being loving and righteous does absolutely notta to find your way to heaven.
>>>>> There is only one way and Jesus has already paid for your past and future sins.
>>>>> Being a good person is not the way.
>>>> OK. so you are saying Jesus cleared the way and we can be nasty a-holes?
>>> Not how it works. The way to heaven is to truly believe. If you believe, you will not be an a-hole.
>>> You can and will fail, and perhaps suffer, but your knowing is your guide.
>> I have my own beliefs. Plenty of Christians are pure hypocrites too.
>
> And I suppose that plenty of un-Christians are not?

Didn't say that. But they don't tell you how good a person they are and
then stab you in the back.

Protestants don't recognize the Pope as the head of the church
Baptists don't recognize each other in the liquor store.

>
>> I won't belong to a church.
>
> Why should you? "'My house shall be called a house of prayer,' but you make it a den of robbers." - Matthew 21:13

Yes, Joel Olsteen needs a new airplane.

[Michael Trew]

On 4/7/2023 17:57, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> What are you having for dinner this Good Friday?? Cooking at home or
> eating out tonight?

Local fish fry! I was working on a water pump replacement most of the
day, which was not a fun job. There's a coolant leak to find somewhere
tomorrow. :/

Anyway, my mother was kind enough to deliver the fish fry to me, but
unfortunately, the fries were fairly soggy and cold by that point.

[dsi1]

Welcome to the grim reality.

[dsi1]

It's good to know what's going on. It's even better to know what's really going on.

[GM]

Well, it beats worshipping rocks, as you do, David...

--
GM

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 7:37:35 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
>

> I will point out if you are mentioning Good Friday instead of Friday,
> it is a day to remember the day Jesus was tortured and died for you.
> You can both celebrate what he did for you and grieve his death at
> the same time. Is today just Friday?
>

I already said it was Good Friday, what are you not understanding?

[dsi1]

Actually, you're wrong about that. The Hawaiians worship nature. Yoose guys worship yourselves.

https://greenglobaltravel.com/hawaiian-mythology-gods-goddesses-legends/

[GM]

" rocks " = " nature "

😎

--
GM

[dsi1]

Of course rocks are nature. What you're wrong about is that man worshiping himself is superior to man worshiping and respecting nature. It does not.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-07, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> What are you having for dinner this Good Friday?? Cooking at home or
> eating out tonight?

Salad with pepperoni and provolone.

Lunch was a chicken sandwich with chipotle mayo.

> I opted for two 1½ to 2 inch thick, bone-in pork chops. They were smeared
> with a dab of mayo on each side so the seasonings would stick. Into the
> air fryer they went for 30 minutes at 400°, flipping after 15 minutes and they're
> perfectly cooked and smell sooooo good. One chop will be consumed
> Saturday as they're not only thick but large as well. Potato salad will be
> nestled alongside Porky Pig on the plate.

I should defrost some pork chops and grill them. I've got some thin
ones suitable for cooking on my grill's "preheat" setting (a minute
on each side). I like to marinate those with gochujang, garlic,
ginger, soy sauce, and sesame oil. The sugar in the gochujang
caramelizes beautifully during the brief high-heat cook.

I also have some boneless ones (not chops, strictly speaking) that
I could grill for about 3 minutes per side on medium, yielding meat
that's somewhere between medium and medium-rare. Juicy and pink inside.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-08, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
> On 4/7/2023 10:39 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 10:02:38 PM UTC-4, Ed P wrote:
>>> On 4/7/2023 9:48 PM, Thomas wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 9:40:40 PM UTC-4, Ed P wrote:
>>>>> On 4/7/2023 8:54 PM, Thomas wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doing the right thing every single day and being loving and righteous does absolutely notta to find your way to heaven.
>>>>>> There is only one way and Jesus has already paid for your past and future sins.
>>>>>> Being a good person is not the way.
>>>>> OK. so you are saying Jesus cleared the way and we can be nasty a-holes?
>>>> Not how it works. The way to heaven is to truly believe. If you believe, you will not be an a-hole.
>>>> You can and will fail, and perhaps suffer, but your knowing is your guide.
>>> I have my own beliefs. Plenty of Christians are pure hypocrites too.
>>
>> And I suppose that plenty of un-Christians are not?
>
> Didn't say that. But they don't tell you how good a person they are and
> then stab you in the back.
>
> Protestants don't recognize the Pope as the head of the church
> Baptists don't recognize each other in the liquor store.

Baptists won't have sex standing up because they're afraid someone will
see them and think they're dancing.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Unless you're Christian.

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied:
“'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and
with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the
second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the
Prophets hang on these two commandments."

--
Cindy Hamilton

[dsi1]

I love pork chops. Most people can't cook a proper pork chop though.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kVCds5FZGu8cRjq68

[GM]

But then there are the *sentient* rocks that do worship *themselves*...

--
GM

[Gary]

On 4/7/2023 7:29 PM, songbird wrote:
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>> What are you having for dinner this Good Friday?? Cooking at home or
>> eating out tonight?
>>

>> I opted for two 1½ to 2 inch thick, bone-in pork chops. They were smeared
>> with a dab of mayo on each side so the seasonings would stick. Into the
>> air fryer they went for 30 minutes at 400°, flipping after 15 minutes and they're
>> perfectly cooked and smell sooooo good. One chop will be consumed
>> Saturday as they're not only thick but large as well. Potato salad will be
>> nestled alongside Porky Pig on the plate.
>

> probably a bowl of split pea and ham soup later.

"ME TOO!"

I made a little over a gallon of pea soup (4.5 quarts) yesterday
morning. No ham but delicious. It's a good vegan recipe. That's all I
ate yesterday. Bowl for lunch and then again for dinner later on.

This time, instead of precooking many things then combining, the only
thing I precooked was the sweet potatoes (last of the fall crop here)

Here's the exact recipe from yesterday:
In a 5-quart pot, add -

- 16 oz bag of dry split peas
- 10 cups water
- 2 large, cooked and chopped sweet potatoes
- 6 large carrots, skinned and sliced to bite size
- 1 large onion, chopped
- 2 large garlic cloves, smashed and minced

- 4 bay leaves
- 2 tsp salt
- 1 tsp thyme
- 1 tsp tarragon
- 2 tsp mustard powder
- 1 T vegetable oil

Combine all and bring to a boil then turn down heat and simmer for about
2 hours with lid on loosely (stir occasionally) until the peas are mush
and the carrots are tender.

Note: by precooking the sweet potatoes this time, they also cooked down
to almost mush along with the peas. I like this better than chunks.

2nd note: Don't let the word vegan scare you. This is good without the
meat but you can always add in some ham later if you miss it.

[jmcquown]

On 4/7/2023 5:57 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> What are you having for dinner this Good Friday?? Cooking at home or
> eating out tonight?
>
> I opted for two 1½ to 2 inch thick, bone-in pork chops. They were smeared
> with a dab of mayo on each side so the seasonings would stick. Into the
> air fryer they went for 30 minutes at 400°, flipping after 15 minutes and they're
> perfectly cooked and smell sooooo good. One chop will be consumed
> Saturday as they're not only thick but large as well. Potato salad will be
> nestled alongside Porky Pig on the plate.

Patagonian scallops cooked in a skillet in a little butter/olive oil.
Fresh asparagus got the same treatment. Also a small brioche dinner roll.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Ugh! Nothing worse than cold soggy french fries. I'd have put them in
the oven to crisp them up a bit.

Jill

[Bryan Simmons]

French fries have a very short *shelf life*. If I buy fries,
I eat them on premises, either in the restaurant, or in my
car in the parking lot of the restaurant. By the time that
I could drive home, they would have lost most of their
appeal.

--Bryan

[Bryan Simmons]

You can't resurrect old fries, even on Easter weekend.
They're still shitty, and there are many things "worse
than cold soggy french fries." Folks here post worse
shit all the time.
>
> Jill

--Bryan

[Cindy Hamilton]

It's hard to tell whether that's properly cooked. It looks a little
overdone to me. Was it braised? Is it a rib chop or a shoulder chop?
It looks a trifle elongated to be a rib chop.

What's "proper", anyway?

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

If you take a Mennonite fishing he will drink all your beer. If you
take two Mennonites fishing they won't drink any of your beer.

[Dave Smith]

Another good job for an air fryer.


We used to get fish and chips from the Lion's club fish fry. They would
come out of the fryer and right into the container and four minutes home
and they would already have cooled off and gotten soggy.

[songbird]

Ed P wrote:
...

> If no one sinned, Jesus would have died for nothing.

people keep claiming he died for my sins, but if i
don't agree with what he is claimed to have said then
i'll go to hell or whatever.

since i have studied the bible a lot more than many
people who claim the faith i decided a long time ago
that it wasn't for me. i don't buy into the premises
so how can i really be a believer?

i don't believe in original sin, the myths of the
creation or many other of the early stories. they are
however very similar to stories found in other religions
in that area from those times. you have a wandering
nomadic tribe that eventually settles down in the
"Promised Land", they have to fight and protect what
they claim so they make up rules to keep their society
apart from those around them (if they'd not done that
they'd have become yet another tribe like all the rest).
their specific rules are meant to build a warrior class
(the warnings and condemnation of homosexuality being
the sign of a society that didn't understand human
nature, but also the requirement that they have as
many warriors as possible which meant that all women
must be popping out as many babies as possible) and a
ruling class of religious leaders. that's what still
exists today.

the most telling features of the faith was that at first
it required blood sacrifices to atone for sins, but after
the population became too large they needed some other
way because simply they could not afford to keep slaught-
ering and burning that many animals. so they needed a
new way, the Jesus new way allowed at least some of them
to escape that blood sacrifice treadmill they were on.
thank goodness (sarcasm muchly intended along with intented
and indented).

i get into trouble right away with anyone who's really
religious if they keep trying to cram it down my throat.

it is better that i just stop them and tell them that
i'm not a believer and they should save their preaching
for someone else.

thus endeth my sermon. here's a chocolate wafer.


songbird

[songbird]

Thomas wrote:
...

> Being a good person is not the way.

some of us live in a different world.
i'll let it go at that.


songbird

[songbird]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
...

> I already said it was Good Friday, what are you not understanding?

it's Even Better Saturday now.


songbird

[songbird]

Gary wrote:
> On 4/7/2023 7:29 PM, songbird wrote:

...

>> probably a bowl of split pea and ham soup later.
>
> "ME TOO!"

it's hard to do wrong, this version was cooked without the
meat in it since Mom wanted to be sure that each quart she
was giving away would have some meat in it so she kept the
meat apart until we were putting it in the jars. so i scooped
a bowl of the meatless soup and had warmed up some bacon
bits to crispy and that was good.

the ham she had i the big bowl was also good, i snarfed a
few chunks of that too later for dessert.

it all looks fine to me, i'd have no problem giving it a try.

our version is much simpler, cook the peas until almost done or
even more (it really doesn't matter with split peas anyways if you
want texture with the peas you have to either use whole peas and
be very careful or use frozen or fresh peas right at the end) add
carrots, onion and potatoes to finish. no spices at all as the
ham provides plenty of salt and the rest of the cure flavorings.

in this particular case the ham was not very salty and that is a
nice change.

we made about 10 quarts of bean soup and another 10 of pea soup,
alas one jar got dropped in the sink so it took some time to clean
up that - i was able to rinse off the meat, potatoes and carrots
so i could eat that safely but the rest of it was washed down the
sink). stuff happens, i don't get upset about it... just carry
on and get it done.


songbird

[Dave Smith]

And what a great day it is. After a week of rain and clouds the sky is
clear. It's warming up and the grass is starting to green. People are
out enjoying the lovely weather.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-08, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
>
> thus endeth my sermon. here's a chocolate wafer.

Yum. Oops. I mean, Amen.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-08, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Much of our grass is green. The area south of the workshop needed
mowing.

Another chicken sandwich with chipotle mayo today, but I'm taking a
little more care with the chipotle mayo. Yesterday I smeared mayo
on bread and sprinkled dried chipotle powder on it. It was... ok.

Today, I defrosted some chipotle in adobo that I buzzed up in the
blender and froze last November. I'm also adding a little lime juice,
a little salt and pepper, maybe some Worcestershire for umami. I'm
expecting much more enjoyment today.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

On 2023-04-08 12:31 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-04-08, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>> And what a great day it is. After a week of rain and clouds the sky is
>> clear. It's warming up and the grass is starting to green. People are
>> out enjoying the lovely weather.
>
> Much of our grass is green. The area south of the workshop needed
> mowing.

Please don't rub it in. It is early April and, as nice as the weather is
today, we can expect frost for at least another month and there is the
possibility of more snow.

>
> Another chicken sandwich with chipotle mayo today, but I'm taking a
> little more care with the chipotle mayo. Yesterday I smeared mayo
> on bread and sprinkled dried chipotle powder on it. It was... ok.
>
> Today, I defrosted some chipotle in adobo that I buzzed up in the
> blender and froze last November. I'm also adding a little lime juice,
> a little salt and pepper, maybe some Worcestershire for umami. I'm
> expecting much more enjoyment today.

That sounds tasty. We had some leftover chicken this week and used it
for chicken salad. If I had had some cranberry sauce I would have
preferred that.

That reminded me of one of the worst sandwiches ever. I ordered it on a
plane because I was really hungry. It looked like the best sandwich
choice would be the chicken with stuffing, cranberry and pesto. I had
allowed myself to buy into the possibility that it would be an
interesting combination. It wasn't. I can't say that any one component
was bad, but it was a horrible combination.

>

[dsi1]

A pork chop cooked proper is not over cooked. It looks like a rib chop and it's not braised - just fried.
Here's a chop that's a little easier to make out.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/aWTX9ioKyEg3JeUE8

[Thomas]

Sorry you stopped. If you read the bible as claimed you would know.
Since neither of us believe , being good will not get you to heaven since there is no such thing.
Being good is just the right way to live.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

> Cindy Hamilton
>
As these porkchops were very thick I was a bit apprehensive about the cooking
time. Too long and possibly burning or too short cooking time and raw?? After
the allotted cooking time I took one out and cut into it. It had just barely turned
white inside and still juicy so the thirty minute recommend cooking time for the
air fryer was perfect.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 11:06:22 -0400, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
wrote:

And I can already tell you that Sunday isn't going to be too shabby
either.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-08, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 2023-04-08 12:31 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On 2023-04-08, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>> And what a great day it is. After a week of rain and clouds the sky is
>>> clear. It's warming up and the grass is starting to green. People are
>>> out enjoying the lovely weather.
>>
>> Much of our grass is green. The area south of the workshop needed
>> mowing.
>
> Please don't rub it in. It is early April and, as nice as the weather is
> today, we can expect frost for at least another month and there is the
> possibility of more snow.

Oh, I'm not saying we're done with frost and snow. Just that we've had
enough nice weather to make that area of lawn grow. I had the
lawn mower out any for other reasons, so it seemed like a good idea to
mow the paltry 800 square feet or so that has the least weeds and most
growth. It's supposed to be warm, dry, and sunny for another 10 days,
so I bet the entire lawn will need to be mowed sometime in that span.

It wouldn't surprise me, though, to learn that "10 days of nice weather"
is some sort of sick joke and it'll be cold and rainy sometime in there.

>> Another chicken sandwich with chipotle mayo today, but I'm taking a
>> little more care with the chipotle mayo. Yesterday I smeared mayo
>> on bread and sprinkled dried chipotle powder on it. It was... ok.
>>
>> Today, I defrosted some chipotle in adobo that I buzzed up in the
>> blender and froze last November. I'm also adding a little lime juice,
>> a little salt and pepper, maybe some Worcestershire for umami. I'm
>> expecting much more enjoyment today.
>
>
> That sounds tasty. We had some leftover chicken this week and used it
> for chicken salad. If I had had some cranberry sauce I would have
> preferred that.

Different strokes. For me, cranberry sauce (actually cranberry-orange
relish) is dessert.

> That reminded me of one of the worst sandwiches ever. I ordered it on a
> plane because I was really hungry. It looked like the best sandwich
> choice would be the chicken with stuffing, cranberry and pesto. I had
> allowed myself to buy into the possibility that it would be an
> interesting combination. It wasn't. I can't say that any one component
> was bad, but it was a horrible combination.

I like a little pesto on pasta. People tend to use too much on
sandwiches, and the worst BLT I ever had featured pesto mayo.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Very nice. The sprouts look beautifully cooked, too.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

Nice. If I had thick chops, I'd sear them on the stove and finish them
in a 350 F oven, like mini-roasts. Since I don't have an air fryer.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Ed P]

As a kid, I may have gone to communion more if the wafer was chocolate.
I think you are on to something.

[Dave Smith]

Some of the best pork chops I have made were very thin. Mix up a rub of
salt, pepper, garlic powder, dried oregano and chopped fresh mint. Rub
it on and let it sit for about an hour. Then grill them over direct
heat, about a minute or two per side.

[jmcquown]

I agree, that looks very nice. I'd skip the boring rice but that's just me.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 19:39:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Jill's too white for rice.

[Michael Trew]

I don't eat in the car, but I agree that the fries are awful unless you
eat them on the premise. I ate most of them, anyway, because I don't
like to waste food, and they were OK dredged with hot sauce.

[Graham]

Tis all squit, twaddle and bunkum!!

[GM]

I shall pray for you, Heretic Graham..!!!

O:-)

--
GM

[Gary]

Ed P wrote:

> songbird wrote:
>>    thus endeth my sermon.  here's a chocolate wafer.
>>
>>
>>    songbird
>
> As a kid, I may have gone to communion more if the wafer was chocolate.
> I think you are on to something.

Heh heh. Also more appealing if they served it with a shot of Merlot
instead of grape juice.

[Bruce]

I think we're witnessing the birth of a new church, right here in RFC!

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-04-08, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> And what a great day it is. After a week of rain and clouds the sky is
> clear. It's warming up and the grass is starting to green. People are
> out enjoying the lovely weather.

For the first time since late October, we may hit 70F. Helluva winter
here. Other than being an old man shoveling snow with a shovel five
times, I loved it. Jeremy Renner didn't. Anybody see the special?

[Cindy Hamilton]

You must have been a Methodist. The Catholics and Lutherans use
real (if inferior) wine. I bet the Episcopalians do, too.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Ed P wrote:
> Yes, Joel Olsteen needs a new airplane.

Have you ever noticed that he looks just like a young Tim Allen? lol

IMO, he's one of the fake TV Christians - only interested in $$$$$

During that bad hurricane several years ago, he was asked to open up his
large stadium to shelter people that had been evacuated from their
homes. He refused.

[songbird]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

> It wouldn't surprise me, though, to learn that "10 days of nice weather"
> is some sort of sick joke and it'll be cold and rainy sometime in there.

yes, i keep all weather forecasts in mind as on a
"changeable within five minutes" basis.

we commented the other day that we may have to mow
this month. i hate mowing. oh well life goeth on...


songbird

[songbird]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
...

> You must have been a Methodist. The Catholics and Lutherans use
> real (if inferior) wine. I bet the Episcopalians do, too.

we got the real stuff, but i can't say i ever really
enjoyed it.

at age 12 on the way to catechism i told Mom i didn't
want to go any longer and to her credit she turned the
car around and we came back home. that was the last
said of that. from there i went on to read the Bible
through myself and then in college i got into the fundy
tribe and spent a lot more time studying it. an
evangelical baptist church ran yearly seminars that
went through the entire Bible. and beyond that i spent
more time comparing versions to each other and also
learned the differences between the various cults.
seven years of that, a lot of interesting stories and
then i decided it was all not for me. the change was
too much for many of my friends and i tried to explain
it but many did not listen.

everyone speaks of final straws that break the camel's
back or the epiphany, but for me was when i was attending
a wedding of some friends there and they read their vows
and the minister was reading his ceremony and i said to
myself that little of that sounded much like what i would
want to say to someone i cared about.

we run the full range of beliefs in my family but we
don't talk about them.


songbird

[songbird]

Dave Smith wrote:
...

> And what a great day it is. After a week of rain and clouds the sky is
> clear. It's warming up and the grass is starting to green. People are
> out enjoying the lovely weather.

it was, i sat outside for a while and got four buckets
of worms fed. the four buckets have fungus gnats in them
so i have to take them outside to open them or i'll have
too many flying around my room. these four buckets for
sure will be used as fertilizer this coming planting
season along with four other buckets.

the other six buckets were without fungus gnats and i
got them fed too after i did the first four outside. it
was very nice out there and i didn't want to come back
inside at all. spring peepers (froggies) were calling.
i always like hearing them. they got a good wake-up
call several days ago with some heavy rains.


songbird

[songbird]

Graham wrote:
...

> Tis all squit, twaddle and bunkum!!

i've learned a new word today. squit i've not heard
before.


songbird

[songbird]

Thomas wrote:
...

> Sorry you stopped. If you read the bible as claimed you would know.
> Since neither of us believe , being good will not get you to heaven since there is no such thing.
> Being good is just the right way to live.

i found for myself that i didn't need the threat of
hell to try to be a decent person. i am just too lazy
to lie or it takes too much energy to hate or be mean.

as for the Bible, Job is an interesting book. the
lecture God gives Job puts it all in perspective.

that me, a mere human could judge God, well ok at
least my head kinda works.


songbird

[Dave Smith]

Up here they are called Anglican and they do indeed use real wine.

[Gary]

On 4/7/2023 10:41 PM, Ed P wrote:
> On 4/7/2023 10:14 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 21:40:33 -0400, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/7/2023 8:54 PM, Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doing the right thing every single day and being loving and
>>>> righteous does absolutely notta to find your way to heaven.
>>>> There is only one way and Jesus has already paid for your past and
>>>> future sins.

>>>> Being a good person is not the way.
>>>
>>>

>>> OK. so you are saying Jesus cleared the way and we can be nasty a-holes?
>>
>> Fundamentalist Dutch Protestantism: We were all born sinners and no
>> matter how we live our lives, sinners we'll always be. If we don't go
>> to hell, it's not because we weren't sinners, but because God is so
>> good and forgiving.

>
>
> If no one sinned, Jesus would have died for nothing.

The poor fellow was tortured and died for nothing anyway.

What a blasphemous thing for me to say on Easter Sunday, of all days. ;o

John 3:16 is probably the most well-known Bible verse: “For God so loved
the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believeth in
him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Get real. If God so loved the world, why condemn all humanity for the
sin of Adam and Eve? That makes no sense to me at all and I've never
heard a valid answer to that question.

[Dave Smith]

I had a leak in one of the tires of my lawn tractor. I nursed it through
the end of the season and put the tractor away for the winter with a
mental note to get the tire off and into the shop for
repair/replacement. I did that two weeks ago and was not in a hurry to
get it back. Now it's looking like I should give them a call and speed
up the repair. I am going to need it soon.

[Bryan Simmons]

Two word, *eye gnats*. Know why they're called eye
gnats? They are attracted to eye secretions.
>
> songbird

--Bryan

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-09, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> ...
>> It wouldn't surprise me, though, to learn that "10 days of nice weather"
>> is some sort of sick joke and it'll be cold and rainy sometime in there.
>
> yes, i keep all weather forecasts in mind as on a
> "changeable within five minutes" basis.

And already they've made a mockery of my joy. Thunderstorms a
week from today.

> we commented the other day that we may have to mow
> this month. i hate mowing. oh well life goeth on...

Ann Arbor is allowing people to refrain from mowing their lawns for the
month of May, to benefit pollinators. My yard is crappy enough that
stuff blooms whether I mow or not. And I don't live in the city.

I tried mowing only part of my lawn last May, but the unmown portion
got so tall that even my 16-hp mower had a hard time when I finally
mowed it. Maybe I'll do every other week for the "back 40".

--
Cindy Hamilton

[S Viemeister]

On 09/04/2023 14:58, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> Ann Arbor is allowing people to refrain from mowing their lawns for the
> month of May, to benefit pollinators. My yard is crappy enough that
> stuff blooms whether I mow or not. And I don't live in the city.
>
> I tried mowing only part of my lawn last May, but the unmown portion
> got so tall that even my 16-hp mower had a hard time when I finally
> mowed it. Maybe I'll do every other week for the "back 40".
>

When mine got really high, I used a scythe. Now Himself uses a
commercial-type unit which can be fitted with a brush-cutter blade or a
heavy duty string trimmer.

[Dave Smith]

The soil in my yard is very rich and the grass grows quickly by the end
of April and into May and June. I usually have to mow at twice a week
There are 5 sections of lawn and those at the front and back get the
most attention. If I don't mow frequently I get huge windrows of
clippings and it looks like crap. It is too big to rake. I can let the
parts by the barn and behind the stream grow longer.

I know that people think we should let the dandelions grow to feed the
bees but there is a down side to that. It is hard enough to keep whose
things under control. but if you let them go to feed the bees they get
pollinated and then there are even more to deal with later.

FWIW my neighbour has beehives. He has 9 acres that he can allow to go
to weed. I have flower gardens they are welcome to feed on.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-04-09, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
> On 09/04/2023 14:58, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> Ann Arbor is allowing people to refrain from mowing their lawns for the
>> month of May, to benefit pollinators. My yard is crappy enough that
>> stuff blooms whether I mow or not. And I don't live in the city.
>>
>> I tried mowing only part of my lawn last May, but the unmown portion
>> got so tall that even my 16-hp mower had a hard time when I finally
>> mowed it. Maybe I'll do every other week for the "back 40".
>>
> When mine got really high, I used a scythe.

That's too much like work. I went to college to avoid doing real work.

> Now Himself uses a
> commercial-type unit which can be fitted with a brush-cutter blade or a
> heavy duty string trimmer.

Or I could just mow every couple of weeks, from a comfortably seated
position.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[S Viemeister]

We've let a large portion of our field go wild, to help support the
local bee, bird, and butterfly population, and that area doesn't get cut
until breeding time is over. We do keep a section of garden at the fron
to the house mowed and trimmed, though.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I might be able to get away with some of that. Looks like I have to
keep the 165 feet closest to the road (that would be about half my
property) mowed down to 8 inches, and I have to make sure nothing goes
to seed.

Heh. Nobody has written me a ticket for the zillions of dandelions that
I allow to go to seed every year.

However, if I stopped mowing, I'd end up with a hellscape of black
walnut trees, invasive buckthorn, and thistles (which the bees, at
least, would like).

--
Cindy Hamilton

[S Viemeister]

On 09/04/2023 18:17, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-04-09, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:
>> On 09/04/2023 17:18, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> We've let a large portion of our field go wild, to help support the
>> local bee, bird, and butterfly population, and that area doesn't get cut
>> until breeding time is over. We do keep a section of garden at the front

>> of the house mowed and trimmed, though.

>
> I might be able to get away with some of that. Looks like I have to
> keep the 165 feet closest to the road (that would be about half my
> property) mowed down to 8 inches, and I have to make sure nothing goes
> to seed.
>
> Heh. Nobody has written me a ticket for the zillions of dandelions that
> I allow to go to seed every year.
>
> However, if I stopped mowing, I'd end up with a hellscape of black
> walnut trees, invasive buckthorn, and thistles (which the bees, at
> least, would like).
>

We're out in the countryside, no sidewalks, the house is at least
200feet from the road, and we are actually being encouraged to let at
least some of the land go wild. Luckily our bit still has lots of native
wildflowers, but there are some invasive plants which we do try to get
rid of, like rhododendrons, which would take over the whole area if
given half a chance, and pampas grass, which is tough to dig out, and
spreads its seeds everywhere.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 13:58:08 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
<hami...@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 2023-04-09, songbird <song...@anthive.com> wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> ...
>>> It wouldn't surprise me, though, to learn that "10 days of nice weather"
>>> is some sort of sick joke and it'll be cold and rainy sometime in there.
>>
>> yes, i keep all weather forecasts in mind as on a
>> "changeable within five minutes" basis.
>
>And already they've made a mockery of my joy. Thunderstorms a
>week from today.
>
>> we commented the other day that we may have to mow
>> this month. i hate mowing. oh well life goeth on...
>
>Ann Arbor is allowing people to refrain from mowing their lawns for the
>month of May, to benefit pollinators. My yard is crappy enough that
>stuff blooms whether I mow or not. And I don't live in the city.

"allowing people to refrain from mowing." What kind of police state is
that? I thought you lived in the Land of the Free.

[Bruce]

These days we pay someone to come out with his tractor and mowing
attachment.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Depending on where you live, not mowing just contributes to ticks, snakes,
and rats.

[GM]

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> Depending on where you live, not mowing just contributes to ticks, snakes,
> and rats.

In most localities it's a municipal ordinance that grass be mowed...

Evanston IL has an ordinance against weeds or turf grass taller than 8 inches, limiting how much residents
can let their grass grow... most all places have similar...

--
GM

[Bruce]

We had our property mowed a month ago or so. By that stage, the grass
was almost as tall as me.

[Bruce]

I must be living in the Land of the Freer.

[Cindy Hamilton]

Bruce doesn't understand city life. They have standards, for the
benefit of all. Nobody is required to live in jurisdictions that have
strict ordinances.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 21:05:56 GMT, Cindy Hamilton

<hami...@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 2023-04-09, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 1:35:36 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 13:58:08 GMT, Cindy Hamilton
>>> <hami...@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Ann Arbor is allowing people to refrain from mowing their lawns for the
>>> >month of May, to benefit pollinators. My yard is crappy enough that
>>> >stuff blooms whether I mow or not. And I don't live in the city.
>>> >
>>> "allowing people to refrain from mowing." What kind of police state is
>>> that? I thought you lived in the Land of the Free.
>>>
>> Depending on where you live, not mowing just contributes to ticks, snakes,
>> and rats.
>
>Bruce doesn't understand city life. They have standards, for the
>benefit of all. Nobody is required to live in jurisdictions that have
>strict ordinances.

I lived the first 45 years of my life in a city, but I've never heard
of anybody forcing you to mow. Sure, if your place becomes a public
danger, I'm sure you'll get a knock on the door. But "allowing people
to refrain from mowing" sounds North Korean to me.

[jmcquown]

You also rarely ever hear mention of Lilith unless you've heard of her
from the Hebrew Book of Isaiah. Both Adam and Lilith were created at
the same time from dust and Lilith was Adam's equal. The trouble
started when Lilith refused to be subservient to and obey him. She was
banished from the Garden of Eden. If you believe the lore, Eve was
Adam's second wife. Lilith is not mentioned in the Christian Bible.
Just goes to show they were editing things out that did not go along
with their particular dogma.

Jill

[Michael Trew]

On 4/9/2023 5:14, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-04-09, Gary<g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>> Ed P wrote:
>>> songbird wrote:
>>>> thus endeth my sermon. here's a chocolate wafer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> songbird
>>>
>>> As a kid, I may have gone to communion more if the wafer was chocolate.
>>> I think you are on to something.

>>
>> Heh heh. Also more appealing if they served it with a shot of Merlot
>> instead of grape juice.
>
> You must have been a Methodist. The Catholics and Lutherans use
> real (if inferior) wine. I bet the Episcopalians do, too.

I've never been to a Protestant church that uses anything but grape
juice, either.

[Dave Smith]

Episcopalians and Anglicans are not exactly Protestants. They stem from
the Church of England and are Catholic, not Roman Catholic.

[Michael Trew]

I have a small very steep side yard, and sometimes I put off mowing it
until it's a mess, due to the difficulty in mowing. I usually end up
using a scythe once it's near 18 inches high. My elderly neighbor was
beside himself when he first saw me using one, and told me that he
hadn't seen anyone using a scythe in over 40 years.

[Michael Trew]

On 4/9/2023 11:20, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I know that people think we should let the dandelions grow to feed the
> bees but there is a down side to that. It is hard enough to keep whose
> things under control. but if you let them go to feed the bees they get
> pollinated and then there are even more to deal with later.

Dandelions naturally grow where there isn't enough nitrogen in the soil.
As their leaves rot, they replenish the nitrogen. I've never
attempted to weed anything aside from a flower or vegetable bed. I
don't use commercial weed killers in my yard, either. Whatever grows, I
let it grow, then mow it level when it gets too high.

[Graham]

On 2023-04-08 10:26 p.m., GM wrote:
> On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>> On 2023-04-08 9:04 a.m., songbird wrote:
>>> Ed P wrote:
>>> ...

>>>> If no one sinned, Jesus would have died for nothing.
>>>

>>> people keep claiming he died for my sins, but if i
>>> don't agree with what he is claimed to have said then
>>> i'll go to hell or whatever.
>>>
>>> since i have studied the bible a lot more than many
>>> people who claim the faith i decided a long time ago
>>> that it wasn't for me. i don't buy into the premises
>>> so how can i really be a believer?
>>>
>>> i don't believe in original sin, the myths of the
>>> creation or many other of the early stories. they are
>>> however very similar to stories found in other religions
>>> in that area from those times. you have a wandering
>>> nomadic tribe that eventually settles down in the
>>> "Promised Land", they have to fight and protect what
>>> they claim so they make up rules to keep their society
>>> apart from those around them (if they'd not done that
>>> they'd have become yet another tribe like all the rest).
>>> their specific rules are meant to build a warrior class
>>> (the warnings and condemnation of homosexuality being
>>> the sign of a society that didn't understand human
>>> nature, but also the requirement that they have as
>>> many warriors as possible which meant that all women
>>> must be popping out as many babies as possible) and a
>>> ruling class of religious leaders. that's what still
>>> exists today.
>>>
>>> the most telling features of the faith was that at first
>>> it required blood sacrifices to atone for sins, but after
>>> the population became too large they needed some other
>>> way because simply they could not afford to keep slaught-
>>> ering and burning that many animals. so they needed a
>>> new way, the Jesus new way allowed at least some of them
>>> to escape that blood sacrifice treadmill they were on.
>>> thank goodness (sarcasm muchly intended along with intented
>>> and indented).
>>>
>>> i get into trouble right away with anyone who's really
>>> religious if they keep trying to cram it down my throat.
>>>
>>> it is better that i just stop them and tell them that
>>> i'm not a believer and they should save their preaching
>>> for someone else.

>>>
>>> thus endeth my sermon. here's a chocolate wafer.
>>>
>>>
>>> songbird

>> Tis all squit, twaddle and bunkum!!
>
>
> I shall pray for you, Heretic Graham..!!!
>
> O:-)
>
I"ll THINK for you!