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zxcvbob
Nov 16, 2011, 9:10:34 PM11/16/11
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I thought I was supposed to bring the turkey to the church potluck this
weekend, but I've been asked to bring a ham instead. I've cooked hams
before, but never paid any attention to how much they serve.
I bought an 10.6 pound "ham with water added" bone-in ham shank today at
Aldi. It was the largest half-ham in the case. That ought to serve
30-something people if it's not the only meat, right? Or should I go
back and get one of the smaller butts too?
-Bob
weekend, but I've been asked to bring a ham instead. I've cooked hams
before, but never paid any attention to how much they serve.
I bought an 10.6 pound "ham with water added" bone-in ham shank today at
Aldi. It was the largest half-ham in the case. That ought to serve
30-something people if it's not the only meat, right? Or should I go
back and get one of the smaller butts too?
-Bob
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Cheri
Nov 16, 2011, 9:33:34 PM11/16/11
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Go back and get a smaller butt too.
Cheri
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Cheri
spamtrap1888
Nov 16, 2011, 9:49:56 PM11/16/11
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according to UMinnesota extension. What will you do if everyone wants
ham? Here's the money quote:
"The number of servings per pound varies according to the ratio of
lean to fat and bone and what you consider an adequate serving. Fat,
noncanned hams with all of the bone present ***i.e, your shank half***
may yield only one serving per pound for a family with a hearty
appetite. On the other hand, a well-trimmed, boneless ham easily will
yield three servings per pound for a family with a not-so-hearty
appetite. "
Brooklyn1
Nov 16, 2011, 10:33:09 PM11/16/11
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:10:34 -0600, zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net>
wrote:
You'll be shocked to know that a shank half yields little actual meat,
figure on no more than four pounds of edible meat, probably less
because there'll be a lot of shrinkage with a water added ham when
heated, and a lot will be difficult to carve so will be more suitable
for pea soup. I would never serve a bone-in ham at a pot luck...
you'll need someone that knows how to carve that ham on station the
whole time... you can't have thirty filthy handed imbeciles hacking at
it. For thirty I would have purchased a whole ham and boned it prior
to cooking it... then slice it onto a platter. I've served thousands
of those hams, I can bone a ham in under a minute. Tell the truth,
you bought the shank half to save 15¢ a pound. Even a spiral cut ham
would need someone on station to serve... next time buy a whole ham;
remove the aitch bone, slit along the femur and bone it out. Tie the
ham and cook it (you can stuff it if you like). When cooked let it
cool for 15 minutes and slice it onto a platter for service... don't
forget to garnish, and serve a big tub of honey mustard. If you don't
have cooking facilities on site you can prepare it earlier, chill in
your fridge and slice it just prior to service... cold ham is good
too.
wrote:
figure on no more than four pounds of edible meat, probably less
because there'll be a lot of shrinkage with a water added ham when
heated, and a lot will be difficult to carve so will be more suitable
for pea soup. I would never serve a bone-in ham at a pot luck...
you'll need someone that knows how to carve that ham on station the
whole time... you can't have thirty filthy handed imbeciles hacking at
it. For thirty I would have purchased a whole ham and boned it prior
to cooking it... then slice it onto a platter. I've served thousands
of those hams, I can bone a ham in under a minute. Tell the truth,
you bought the shank half to save 15¢ a pound. Even a spiral cut ham
would need someone on station to serve... next time buy a whole ham;
remove the aitch bone, slit along the femur and bone it out. Tie the
ham and cook it (you can stuff it if you like). When cooked let it
cool for 15 minutes and slice it onto a platter for service... don't
forget to garnish, and serve a big tub of honey mustard. If you don't
have cooking facilities on site you can prepare it earlier, chill in
your fridge and slice it just prior to service... cold ham is good
too.
zxcvbob
Nov 16, 2011, 10:50:47 PM11/16/11
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which happened to be a shank. Alton Brown recommends using a shank but
I don't know why, maybe it tastes better because of the bone, or so you
have a nice bone for making soup afterwards...
And it was 20¢ cheaper ;-) (OK, you got me)
Maybe I ought to go back and get a large butt to go with it. I'll cut
it all up at home and take it mostly already sliced and a few hunks, and
reheat it there.
Won't the ham bone out a lot easier after it's cooked?
I'm going to stud it with cloves and glaze with brown sugar and yellow
hotdog mustard.
Thanks,
Bob
Julie Bove
Nov 16, 2011, 11:35:55 PM11/16/11
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they like ham. I'm not sure that would be enough for 30 people. I've found
the more variety there is, the more people will eat. I don't know why that
is.
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Polly Esther
Nov 17, 2011, 12:28:16 AM11/17/11
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"Julie Bove" <> I suppose it would depend on what else is being served with
it and how well
> they like ham. I'm not sure that would be enough for 30 people. I've
> found the more variety there is, the more people will eat. I don't know
> why that is.
>
We ought to carve that in stone somewhere, Julie or at least hang a note on
> they like ham. I'm not sure that would be enough for 30 people. I've
> found the more variety there is, the more people will eat. I don't know
> why that is.
>
the refrigerator door. Indeed. The more variety there is, the more people
will eat. An absolute fact. Maybe we should bring that up in group - except
I can't go anymore since I spent all my $s on pecans. Polly
jmcquown
Nov 17, 2011, 4:20:41 AM11/17/11
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I'd go with dijon or brown mustard rather than yellow mustard. (And yes,
the bone will be easier to remove after it's cooked and will be a wonderful
addition to bean soup!) Never having served ham for 30 people I have no
idea what size you should have bought. But they aren't expecting you to
carry the entire meal, are they? Surely there *will* be someone bringing a
turkey and others bringing sides. I wouldn't rush out and buy more ham.
JMHO
Jill
the bone will be easier to remove after it's cooked and will be a wonderful
addition to bean soup!) Never having served ham for 30 people I have no
idea what size you should have bought. But they aren't expecting you to
carry the entire meal, are they? Surely there *will* be someone bringing a
turkey and others bringing sides. I wouldn't rush out and buy more ham.
JMHO
Jill
Storrmmee
Nov 17, 2011, 7:12:47 AM11/17/11
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go back and get another big chunck, if it tastes good the people who aren't
fond of turkey will demolish it, Lee
fond of turkey will demolish it, Lee
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spamtrap1888
Nov 17, 2011, 12:28:06 PM11/17/11
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On Nov 17, 4:12 am, "Storrmmee" <rgr...@consolidated.net> wrote:
> go back and get another big chunck, if it tastes good the people who aren't
> fond of turkey will demolish it, Lee
This is my fear, that everybody will suddenly want ham instead of
> go back and get another big chunck, if it tastes good the people who aren't
> fond of turkey will demolish it, Lee
turkey.
Brooklyn1
Nov 17, 2011, 12:38:29 PM11/17/11
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:50:47 -0600, zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net>
wrote:
Okay, you have a plan.
>Won't the ham bone out a lot easier after it's cooked?
No. First it'll be too hot to handle, and second you'll never get the
aitch bone out cleanly and you'll have trouble removing the femur too.
All meats bone out easier prior to cooking, it's what butchers do.
>I'm going to stud it with cloves and glaze with brown sugar and yellow
>hotdog mustard.
You mean like this:
http://i39.tinypic.com/jrbk0z.jpg
wrote:
>Won't the ham bone out a lot easier after it's cooked?
aitch bone out cleanly and you'll have trouble removing the femur too.
All meats bone out easier prior to cooking, it's what butchers do.
>I'm going to stud it with cloves and glaze with brown sugar and yellow
>hotdog mustard.
http://i39.tinypic.com/jrbk0z.jpg
zxcvbob
Nov 17, 2011, 12:53:28 PM11/17/11
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original and not one of their recent obaminations blended with turkey)
But I'll score the fat into a diamond pattern and not use so many
cloves. It'll brown better that way.
-Bob
Storrmmee
Nov 17, 2011, 1:14:58 PM11/17/11
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i would rather take more than less, and if they know they will or have
already had turkey during turkey week the ham might be more popular... one
thing is for sure, whatever you cook, cool and cut it before you go, that
will give you an idea of what you are wrking with, in fact, i might go ahead
bake, cool debone, deft and slice it, then you can judge/weigh what you
have, i would allow four ounces of ham per person as a rough guide, this
might mean too much but some won't touch it, others will return for thirds,
and if you bake/cut store early then you can go back for the next one... and
meantime you can be boiling that bone/fat/skin for some excellent ham and
beans for next week, Lee
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already had turkey during turkey week the ham might be more popular... one
thing is for sure, whatever you cook, cool and cut it before you go, that
will give you an idea of what you are wrking with, in fact, i might go ahead
bake, cool debone, deft and slice it, then you can judge/weigh what you
have, i would allow four ounces of ham per person as a rough guide, this
might mean too much but some won't touch it, others will return for thirds,
and if you bake/cut store early then you can go back for the next one... and
meantime you can be boiling that bone/fat/skin for some excellent ham and
beans for next week, Lee
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Brooklyn1
Nov 17, 2011, 1:46:55 PM11/17/11
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On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:09:59 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
<barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In article <9ij8o4...@mid.individual.net>,
>Considering there'll be other food, you oughtta be yust fine.
True enough, could also get by with a can of SPAM and a tub of mac
salad. The most 30 people could hope for with that cut of ham is a
small slice each... or if it's any good those first ten in line will
devour it and be looking for ham #2. Trust me, that ham will barely
be enough for ten adults to have a snack. About once a winter I buy a
10 pound butt half spiral cut ham for just me and my cats, we devour
it in four sittings. There isn't a whole lot of meat on a bone-in
ham, especially the shank half... if folks carefully trim away the fat
from each slice like I do there's maybe three pounds of meat on a ten
pounder... and those water added hams lose a lot of weight in the
heating. Those hams contrary to belief are far from the most
economical meat, there's a lot of waste, about 2/3. I used to serve a
crew of nearly 400 ham at least twice a month, sometimes three, even
four times... every holiday in port I fed over a thousand, typically
all my ovens were stuffed with turkeys and as many hams. One ham
doesn't go very far and there were a ton of accompaniments. Often the
stragglers didn't get any, that's when I broke out the canned hams. I
plan on making a big pot of pea soup within the next week, I just dug
out the frozen bone from my last spiral cut ten pound butt half ham
and weighed it; 2 pounds 5 ounces... it has meat on it but nothing
folks at a party would bother slicing off. If I were having ten
people for Thanksgiving dinner with all the trimmings I'd roast a
12-14 pound turkey and a butt half ham for those who wanted a change
of pace... I can assure you there'd be no left overs worth mentioning.
Seems the military now has already boned hams, 25 pounds of boneless
ham, no waste, yields 100 portions (3oz), most will devour at least 8
ozs and return for seconds... If I ever dared to serve the crew 3 oz
portions I'd get tossed overboard:
http://www.quartermaster.army.mil/jccoe/publications/recipes/section_l/L06900.pdf
<barbsc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In article <9ij8o4...@mid.individual.net>,
True enough, could also get by with a can of SPAM and a tub of mac
salad. The most 30 people could hope for with that cut of ham is a
small slice each... or if it's any good those first ten in line will
devour it and be looking for ham #2. Trust me, that ham will barely
be enough for ten adults to have a snack. About once a winter I buy a
10 pound butt half spiral cut ham for just me and my cats, we devour
it in four sittings. There isn't a whole lot of meat on a bone-in
ham, especially the shank half... if folks carefully trim away the fat
from each slice like I do there's maybe three pounds of meat on a ten
pounder... and those water added hams lose a lot of weight in the
heating. Those hams contrary to belief are far from the most
economical meat, there's a lot of waste, about 2/3. I used to serve a
crew of nearly 400 ham at least twice a month, sometimes three, even
four times... every holiday in port I fed over a thousand, typically
all my ovens were stuffed with turkeys and as many hams. One ham
doesn't go very far and there were a ton of accompaniments. Often the
stragglers didn't get any, that's when I broke out the canned hams. I
plan on making a big pot of pea soup within the next week, I just dug
out the frozen bone from my last spiral cut ten pound butt half ham
and weighed it; 2 pounds 5 ounces... it has meat on it but nothing
folks at a party would bother slicing off. If I were having ten
people for Thanksgiving dinner with all the trimmings I'd roast a
12-14 pound turkey and a butt half ham for those who wanted a change
of pace... I can assure you there'd be no left overs worth mentioning.
Seems the military now has already boned hams, 25 pounds of boneless
ham, no waste, yields 100 portions (3oz), most will devour at least 8
ozs and return for seconds... If I ever dared to serve the crew 3 oz
portions I'd get tossed overboard:
http://www.quartermaster.army.mil/jccoe/publications/recipes/section_l/L06900.pdf
sf
Nov 17, 2011, 2:12:56 PM11/17/11
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:20:41 -0500, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
Other than disagreeing with your advice to switch from yellow to brown
mustard, you're right on. There's no way a 10 lb ham will only yield
4 lbs of meat - the bone can't be any more than one pound and there
will be little shrinkage unless it's over cooked. It's precooked, so
all he needs to do is warm it up enough to set the glaze. It'll be
served at room temperature anyway so he shouldn't knock himself out
fussing over it. If he's concerned about it not being enough, then he
should call to ask how many other people are bringing what and if they
have any flakes in the crowd. There are always some who are known not
to follow through on promises, but maybe they've figured that in. So
after he talks to the organizers, he can decide if he wants to buy
more ham or not. As far as that suggestion to buy a whole ham and
carve it on the spot, I say ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREEKING MIND? Do the
opposite and buy a spiral cut ham, so all you need to do is slit it
lengthwise and pile serving sized slices on a serving platter. Go for
as little fussing as humanly possible.
--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
wrote:
mustard, you're right on. There's no way a 10 lb ham will only yield
4 lbs of meat - the bone can't be any more than one pound and there
will be little shrinkage unless it's over cooked. It's precooked, so
all he needs to do is warm it up enough to set the glaze. It'll be
served at room temperature anyway so he shouldn't knock himself out
fussing over it. If he's concerned about it not being enough, then he
should call to ask how many other people are bringing what and if they
have any flakes in the crowd. There are always some who are known not
to follow through on promises, but maybe they've figured that in. So
after he talks to the organizers, he can decide if he wants to buy
more ham or not. As far as that suggestion to buy a whole ham and
carve it on the spot, I say ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREEKING MIND? Do the
opposite and buy a spiral cut ham, so all you need to do is slit it
lengthwise and pile serving sized slices on a serving platter. Go for
as little fussing as humanly possible.
--
All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.
Leonard Blaisdell
Nov 18, 2011, 1:12:21 AM11/18/11
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In article
<cedd5f6a-f795-4992...@t38g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
You can fool people by slicing the ham extra thin. That's how they get
you with deli cuts. I'd buy an extra ham though and take a sharp knife.
leo
<cedd5f6a-f795-4992...@t38g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
you with deli cuts. I'd buy an extra ham though and take a sharp knife.
leo
zxcvbob
Nov 18, 2011, 1:32:34 AM11/18/11
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one was enough, but I'd rather have too much than too little.
-Bob
Cheri
Nov 18, 2011, 1:35:24 AM11/18/11
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"zxcvbob" <zxc...@charter.net> wrote in message
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> I bought another smaller ham shank today. I'm pretty sure the one big one
> was enough, but I'd rather have too much than too little.
>
> -Bob
Cheri
spamtrap1888
Nov 18, 2011, 1:37:08 AM11/18/11
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On Nov 17, 11:12 am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:20:41 -0500, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net>
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I finally found this. The USDA says you may be able to eke out 30
servings from 10 lbs of bone-in ham. They don't talk about shank vs.
butt:
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fact_Sheets/ham/#9
Quantity to Buy
When buying a ham, estimate the size needed according to the number of
servings the type of ham should yield:
1/4 - 1/3 lb. per serving of boneless ham
1/3 - 1/2 lb. of meat per serving of bone-in ham
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servings from 10 lbs of bone-in ham. They don't talk about shank vs.
butt:
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Fact_Sheets/ham/#9
Quantity to Buy
When buying a ham, estimate the size needed according to the number of
servings the type of ham should yield:
1/4 - 1/3 lb. per serving of boneless ham
1/3 - 1/2 lb. of meat per serving of bone-in ham
sf
Nov 18, 2011, 9:14:57 AM11/18/11
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:32:34 -0600, zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net>
wrote:
> I bought another smaller ham shank today. I'm pretty sure the one big
> one was enough, but I'd rather have too much than too little.
You can send the leftovers my way. :)
--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
wrote:
> I bought another smaller ham shank today. I'm pretty sure the one big
> one was enough, but I'd rather have too much than too little.
--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
Brooklyn1
Nov 18, 2011, 9:44:35 AM11/18/11
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ham... and by those numbers no ten pound bone in ham will feed thirty
even if they eat the bone.
spamtrap1888
Nov 18, 2011, 11:25:28 AM11/18/11
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The USDA is providing advice on how big a ham to buy.
They quote two numbers, one for boneless ham, a larger one for bone-in
ham.
Why are these numbers different? Will seeing the bone make the diners
extra-hungry, so that they will want to eat more ham?
No, presumably each serving will be comparable. The obvious (to most)
interpretation is that one must buy a larger bone-in ham than a
boneless ham to yield the same amount of edible meat.
To provide 30 servings of ham from a boneless ham, you would buy a 7.5
to 10 lb ham.
To provide 30 servings of ham from a bone-in ham, you would buy a
10-15 lb ham.
Capice?
Brooklyn1
Nov 18, 2011, 5:52:56 PM11/18/11
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Kalmia
Nov 18, 2011, 7:27:21 PM11/18/11
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On Nov 16, 9:10 pm, zxcvbob <zxcv...@charter.net> wrote:
> I thought I was supposed to bring the turkey to the church potluck this
> weekend, but I've been asked to bring a ham instead. I've cooked hams
> before, but never paid any attention to how much they serve.
>
> I bought an 10.6 pound "ham with water added" bone-in ham shank today at
> Aldi. It was the largest half-ham in the case. That ought to serve
> 30-something people if it's not the only meat, right? Or should I go
> back and get one of the smaller butts too?
>
> -Bob
> I thought I was supposed to bring the turkey to the church potluck this
> weekend, but I've been asked to bring a ham instead. I've cooked hams
> before, but never paid any attention to how much they serve.
>
> I bought an 10.6 pound "ham with water added" bone-in ham shank today at
> Aldi. It was the largest half-ham in the case. That ought to serve
> 30-something people if it's not the only meat, right? Or should I go
> back and get one of the smaller butts too?
>
If it's not the only meat, it could probably serve 100. Haw haw. I
despise, loathe and abhor ham, as you can probably deduce.
I attended a shower where turkey and ham was provided. I didn't see
anyone take a smidgen of the ham.
I'd be on the phone and finding out about 'only meat'.
Dave Smith
Nov 18, 2011, 9:04:14 PM11/18/11
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On 18/11/2011 7:27 PM, Kalmia wrote:
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> If it's not the only meat, it could probably serve 100. Haw haw. I
> despise, loathe and abhor ham, as you can probably deduce.
> I attended a shower where turkey and ham was provided. I didn't see
> anyone take a smidgen of the ham.
>
I might try the ham.... just to see if it tastes any different. I never
>
> If it's not the only meat, it could probably serve 100. Haw haw. I
> despise, loathe and abhor ham, as you can probably deduce.
> I attended a shower where turkey and ham was provided. I didn't see
> anyone take a smidgen of the ham.
>
was crazy about it. In the 38 years I have been married, my wife and I
have never cooked and served a ham, though I have bought ham steaks
maybe 4-5 times.
spamtrap1888
Nov 18, 2011, 11:56:34 PM11/18/11
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That's why I hate pot lucks. Everyone brings something that can
provide 30 servings, so you end up with 900 servings and thus a lot of
leftovers. But the really tasty stuff goes fast (e.g. egg rolls).
George Leppla
Nov 19, 2011, 8:06:23 AM11/19/11
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On 11/18/2011 6:27 PM, Kalmia wrote:
> If it's not the only meat, it could probably serve 100. Haw haw. I
> despise, loathe and abhor ham, as you can probably deduce.
Really? Ham is one of my favorites. Mostly in sandwiches of various
> If it's not the only meat, it could probably serve 100. Haw haw. I
> despise, loathe and abhor ham, as you can probably deduce.
kinds... and with breakfast.
Had a ham and cheese sandwich for supper last night.
George L
zxcvbob
Nov 19, 2011, 12:07:24 PM11/19/11
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sf wrote:
>>
> Other than disagreeing with your advice to switch from yellow to brown
> mustard, you're right on. There's no way a 10 lb ham will only yield
> 4 lbs of meat - the bone can't be any more than one pound and there
> will be little shrinkage unless it's over cooked. It's precooked, so
> all he needs to do is warm it up enough to set the glaze. It'll be
> served at room temperature anyway so he shouldn't knock himself out
> fussing over it. If he's concerned about it not being enough, then he
> should call to ask how many other people are bringing what and if they
> have any flakes in the crowd. There are always some who are known not
> to follow through on promises, but maybe they've figured that in. So
> after he talks to the organizers, he can decide if he wants to buy
> more ham or not. As far as that suggestion to buy a whole ham and
> carve it on the spot, I say ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREEKING MIND? Do the
> opposite and buy a spiral cut ham, so all you need to do is slit it
> lengthwise and pile serving sized slices on a serving platter. Go for
> as little fussing as humanly possible.
>
The ham is in the roaster @ 300°F, and it's obvious I bought *way* too
>>
> Other than disagreeing with your advice to switch from yellow to brown
> mustard, you're right on. There's no way a 10 lb ham will only yield
> 4 lbs of meat - the bone can't be any more than one pound and there
> will be little shrinkage unless it's over cooked. It's precooked, so
> all he needs to do is warm it up enough to set the glaze. It'll be
> served at room temperature anyway so he shouldn't knock himself out
> fussing over it. If he's concerned about it not being enough, then he
> should call to ask how many other people are bringing what and if they
> have any flakes in the crowd. There are always some who are known not
> to follow through on promises, but maybe they've figured that in. So
> after he talks to the organizers, he can decide if he wants to buy
> more ham or not. As far as that suggestion to buy a whole ham and
> carve it on the spot, I say ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREEKING MIND? Do the
> opposite and buy a spiral cut ham, so all you need to do is slit it
> lengthwise and pile serving sized slices on a serving platter. Go for
> as little fussing as humanly possible.
>
much. Hopefully we'll have 50 turkey-haters show up instead of the
usual 30 omnivores, so most of it gets eaten. :-)
I was going to put them face-down on a rack, but they were too tall to
put the lid on, so I tied them face-to-face with butchers twine and made
one big 18.5# roast out of it. That's bigger than it sounds; it pretty
much fills the roaster. In about 6 or 8 hours I'll take it out,
transfer to a couple of pyrex pans, coat with mustard, brown sugar, and
gingersnap crumbs, and put them uncovered in a hot oven for a while to
brown.
Tomorrow I'll wrap one of the bones up for the freezer and pressure cook
the other one to make broth for a pot of Great Northern beans (small
white) soup.
-Bob
sf
Nov 19, 2011, 1:07:26 PM11/19/11
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:04:14 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 18/11/2011 7:27 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>
Is everyone getting all the posts they think they should be getting?
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 18/11/2011 7:27 PM, Kalmia wrote:
>
For instance, I don't have the message Dave replied to above.
I know APN has problems currently, but they're talking about a header
synchronization issue that causes message *bodies* to be temporarily
unavailable. Instead I'm losing or not getting the entire thing -
including the subject title in my TOC. Whatever it is even causes
messages that I've read but have not deleted manually to disappear.
APN thinks it's an issue that is only affecting a small number of
groups at this time, so let your ISP know if you're having problems
too... especially if your ISP is APN.
Sincerely,
notjohn
Dave Smith
Nov 19, 2011, 1:17:48 PM11/19/11
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messages that aren't available at the moment. If I bounce back and forth
between messages they open up for me. I thought maybe it was my
computer or that I need to compress my folders.
ImStillMags
Nov 19, 2011, 1:30:22 PM11/19/11
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On Nov 19, 10:17 am, Dave Smith <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 19/11/2011 1:07 PM, sf wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:04:14 -0500, Dave Smith
> > <adavid.sm...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> On 19/11/2011 1:07 PM, sf wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:04:14 -0500, Dave Smith
degree....but at least I can read everyone's messages and I rarely
have any problems at all.
Brooklyn1
Nov 19, 2011, 2:11:54 PM11/19/11
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ham is the most popular breakfast meat.
When feeding a help oneself crowd ham goes faster than all other meats
combined. Most people like ham a lot and it's one of the least messy
meats to handle making it even more popular. Most folks don't prepare
a ham at home so when available at a party they take advantage. Some
people don't like ham so they will take none, however those who do
like ham, and a most do, they will load up with as much as they dare
without appearing too piggish, and some won't care what other's think.
A ten pound bone in shank half will barely be enough at a pot luck for
ten adults. Of course one needs to know their crowd, if many are on
diets or if many are gluttons... but the average adult at a help
oneself party will consume at least 1/2 pound of ham, many will take
double and even triple portions. Ham is unique among party meats in
that it contains a lot of fat but its fat is very easy for guests to
trim away and that's what they do, so what at first looks like a large
serving is not, folks trim away about 1/4 of what they take, even the
gluttons don't eat the fat, in fact the big eaters are very adept at
trimming away fat, permits them to eat more. Truth is that there is
no scientific study with data for how much one actually consumes at a
help oneself situation... if asked most folks lie, and many really
don't know because they are very poor at judging quantities. If you
check the various major ham producer sites they are vary vague as to
what constitutes a serving, they talk portions, a very different
thing, a portion is about nutritional content, not what people
actually consume. And they are very vague about what size ham to buy
to feed so many people, and none offer actual edible yield... they
only allude, with a lot of smoke and mirrors. Typically they tend to
be PC about how much to feed. But I happen to know from personal
experience how much ham to serve so many people... a 10 pound bone-in
shank half will yield no more than 4 pounds of edible meat (we're not
talking gnawing the bone and around the gristle here), and a good
amount of the meat is passed by because of its appearance. I'll let
you do the math, but I know from vast personal experience that a
person who is a ham lover will serve themselves two, even three
"portions", many will easily consume a pound or more. The only way
they will consume less is if there are other foods present that they
also like to pig out on, but the meat eaters will zero in on the ham.
People who like ham will choose it over roast beef every time...
naturally we're assuming it's a good ham and properly prepared same as
it's a good roast beef and properly prepared... roast beef can
certainly be lousy. In the US most folks serve a roast turkey for
Thanksgiving because it's traditional but many also serve a ham. When
available most people prefer the ham over the turkey. And people who
are into pot lucks are also into eating... a Pot Luck is just another
name for a Buffet/All You Can Eat. People also tend to eat/drink more
at larger parties, they take more because the crowd affords them
anonymity, they get lost in a crowd, guests will eat/drink more freely
when in a group of 30 than in a group of 10... the larger the crowd
the more likely there'll be a feeding frenzy.
dsi1
Nov 19, 2011, 2:13:25 PM11/19/11
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On 11/19/2011 8:30 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>
> I know you guys laugh at Google Groups...and they do suck to a
> degree....but at least I can read everyone's messages and I rarely
> have any problems at all.
>
>
I've been getting lags with most posts and occasionally, time-out errors
>
> I know you guys laugh at Google Groups...and they do suck to a
> degree....but at least I can read everyone's messages and I rarely
> have any problems at all.
>
>
accompanied with a notice saying that the message has not been sent
which, oddly enough, may or may not be true. With a GG post I get a
confirmation that my post was successful which has always been reliable.
I've upgraded my iPad to iOS 5 which has a split keyboard which makes
entry easier - I like it a lot. My apps are backed up on the iCloud
server so I guess you could say that this new OS upgrade pretty much
introduces the brave new world of remote storage to the masses.
Actually, it's nothing short of a revolution for the computer. A quiet
one at that.
My friend got his Kindle Fire yesterday. It looks like an attractive and
well built device. I was impressed at what you can get for $200. The
question that remains to be seen is if this can be more than a portable
retail outlet for Amazon products.
Dave Smith
Nov 19, 2011, 2:48:13 PM11/19/11
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On 19/11/2011 1:30 PM, ImStillMags wrote:
. especially if your ISP is APN.
>>
>> I obviously got Kalmia's post ;-) but I have been getting headers with
>> messages that aren't available at the moment. If I bounce back and forth
>> between messages they open up for me. I thought maybe it was my
>> computer or that I need to compress my folders.
>
> I know you guys laugh at Google Groups...and they do suck to a
> degree....but at least I can read everyone's messages and I rarely
> have any problems at all.
I don't laugh at Google Groups. My only problem is the plethora of
. especially if your ISP is APN.
>>
>> I obviously got Kalmia's post ;-) but I have been getting headers with
>> messages that aren't available at the moment. If I bounce back and forth
>> between messages they open up for me. I thought maybe it was my
>> computer or that I need to compress my folders.
>
> I know you guys laugh at Google Groups...and they do suck to a
> degree....but at least I can read everyone's messages and I rarely
> have any problems at all.
idiots with gmail.com addresses who pop in here to spam or make idiotic
comments. I have, on occasion, been sufficiently fed up with the
nonsense that I filtered out .gmail, relenting because there are a
couple of interesting people using them. I don't run into a lot of
troubles, and certainly not as many as I read about here from google
group users.
sf
Nov 19, 2011, 3:10:09 PM11/19/11
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:07:24 -0600, zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net>
wrote:
> The ham is in the roaster @ 300°F, and it's obvious I bought *way* too
> much.
The good news it *I* love ham, so you can always invite me over for
leftovers. hahaha
--
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
wrote:
> The ham is in the roaster @ 300°F, and it's obvious I bought *way* too
> much.
leftovers. hahaha
--
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
Lou Decruss
Nov 20, 2011, 1:15:31 PM11/20/11
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 13:17:48 -0500, Dave Smith
Llorent doesn't know the difference between and isp and a news
provider.
I use APN also and is was goofy for me yesterday too. To add to the
problem AT&T was acting up and finally went down. I called and the
robot told me they knew there was a problem and they were working on
it. We went shopping and it was back on when we got back.
APN is fine now but they've had a glitch or two over the last few
months. I'm thinking of trying usenet monster for a month and see how
that works. I was always happy with them but switched to APN for the
free trial period and just stayed with it.
Lou
provider.
I use APN also and is was goofy for me yesterday too. To add to the
problem AT&T was acting up and finally went down. I called and the
robot told me they knew there was a problem and they were working on
it. We went shopping and it was back on when we got back.
APN is fine now but they've had a glitch or two over the last few
months. I'm thinking of trying usenet monster for a month and see how
that works. I was always happy with them but switched to APN for the
free trial period and just stayed with it.
Lou
Lou Decruss
Nov 20, 2011, 1:23:46 PM11/20/11
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>and they do suck to a degree....
>but at least I can read everyone's messages and I rarely
>have any problems at all.
google was my only choice I'd stop posting.
Lou
ImStillMags
Nov 20, 2011, 1:35:53 PM11/20/11
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started when Usenet or others first came on the scene. I never even
participated in any kind of message board until about 10 years ago.
So I guess I'm one of those who just started out with message boards
off websites and went from there.
Dan Abel
Nov 20, 2011, 7:47:57 PM11/20/11
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In article
<af0da997-6ced-4369...@y14g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
> I never even
> participated in any kind of message board until about 10 years ago.
> So I guess I'm one of those who just started out with message boards
> off websites and went from there.
If GoogleGroups works for you, that's great. Most folks who have tried
something else, and then GG, don't like it. But that doesn't really
matter if you can do what you want, and you are happy.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
<af0da997-6ced-4369...@y14g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
ImStillMags <sitar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 20, 10:23 am, Lou Decruss <LouDecr...@biteme.com> wrote:
> > They suck to a BIG degree.
> >
> > >but at least I can read everyone's messages and I rarely
> > >have any problems at all.
> On Nov 20, 10:23 am, Lou Decruss <LouDecr...@biteme.com> wrote:
> > They suck to a BIG degree.
> >
> > >but at least I can read everyone's messages and I rarely
> > >have any problems at all.
> Well, to each his own. I've never used a newsreader. Never
> started when Usenet or others first came on the scene.
That was in 1980:
> started when Usenet or others first came on the scene.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
> I never even
> participated in any kind of message board until about 10 years ago.
> So I guess I'm one of those who just started out with message boards
> off websites and went from there.
something else, and then GG, don't like it. But that doesn't really
matter if you can do what you want, and you are happy.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
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Lou Decruss
Nov 21, 2011, 11:09:47 AM11/21/11
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 23:45:22 -0600, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:15:31 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> APN is fine now but they've had a glitch or two over the last few
>> months. I'm thinking of trying usenet monster for a month and see how
>> that works. I was always happy with them but switched to APN for the
>> free trial period and just stayed with it.
>
>There are actually only 2 major usenet providers. readnews, and
>highwinds. But between them they have 100+ resellers that go by
>different names.
>
>When you consider buying another account for usenet access, I highly
>suggest a block account unless you do a lot of binary downloading.
>You will save tons of money. But more importantly chose one that does
>not use the same "back end servers" as the one you are dissatisfied
>with. I buy two, one from highwinds and oen from readnews.com. That
>way when one goes down, then I can switch over to the other one (or to
>motzarella/E-S, or whatever).
>
>There are two other Usenet bigwigs, Giganews ans Astraweb. They do
>not employ the reseller-matrix and are considered their own separate
>entities. Of thsoe two only Astraweb offers a block account.
>
>To find out who is who, consult this chart:
>http://www.usenet-providers.net/newsgroup-resellers.php
>
>IOW: Pick two companies from different sections of that chart, buy two
>cheap block accounts for under $3 each and all will be well. The
>readnews.com block accounts will last years, while a highwinds.com
>reseller block accounts (typically $2) are limited to one year.
>
>That is how you do it. You will get an average of 5 years of service
>from two different companies for less than you would one company's
>*monthly* fee for a subscription-based account. IOW you get 60 months
>for the price of one month.
>
>I have no idea why casual non-binary Usenet users pay monthly or even
>yearly fees for Usenet. Go ahead and waste your money.
I saved the post and I'll check it out when I have time if apn acts up
again. Thanks!
Lou
wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:15:31 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> APN is fine now but they've had a glitch or two over the last few
>> months. I'm thinking of trying usenet monster for a month and see how
>> that works. I was always happy with them but switched to APN for the
>> free trial period and just stayed with it.
>
>highwinds. But between them they have 100+ resellers that go by
>different names.
>
>When you consider buying another account for usenet access, I highly
>suggest a block account unless you do a lot of binary downloading.
>You will save tons of money. But more importantly chose one that does
>not use the same "back end servers" as the one you are dissatisfied
>with. I buy two, one from highwinds and oen from readnews.com. That
>way when one goes down, then I can switch over to the other one (or to
>motzarella/E-S, or whatever).
>
>There are two other Usenet bigwigs, Giganews ans Astraweb. They do
>not employ the reseller-matrix and are considered their own separate
>entities. Of thsoe two only Astraweb offers a block account.
>
>To find out who is who, consult this chart:
>http://www.usenet-providers.net/newsgroup-resellers.php
>
>IOW: Pick two companies from different sections of that chart, buy two
>cheap block accounts for under $3 each and all will be well. The
>readnews.com block accounts will last years, while a highwinds.com
>reseller block accounts (typically $2) are limited to one year.
>
>That is how you do it. You will get an average of 5 years of service
>from two different companies for less than you would one company's
>*monthly* fee for a subscription-based account. IOW you get 60 months
>for the price of one month.
>
>I have no idea why casual non-binary Usenet users pay monthly or even
>yearly fees for Usenet. Go ahead and waste your money.
I saved the post and I'll check it out when I have time if apn acts up
again. Thanks!
Lou
Lou Decruss
Nov 21, 2011, 12:05:37 PM11/21/11
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bitches all the time.
Lou
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zxcvbob
Nov 26, 2011, 9:53:17 PM11/26/11
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article <9ij8o4...@mid.individual.net>,
>
> How'd you make out with your ham?
The 10.6 would have probably been enough by itself. I bought another 8#
shank to go with it, then realized how much I had when I started cooking
it all. I took a 9x13" lasagna pan full of thick-sliced ham to the
potluck, and had a pound or two left at home. Probably 2/3 of it got
eaten even tho' we only had 20 people show up that week. (a lot of the
regulars were traveling out of town) I put most of the leftovers in the
church freezer for the next men's breakfast, and we've almost finished
eating the remainder.
That was a lot of meat for $22!
I boiled the bones and trimmings with a few bay leaves and peppercorns
and made some nice stock. I made a pot of navybean soup with some of it
last night, and I pressure canned the remaining 3 pints for making bean
soup in January. I threw out most of the juice that cooked out of the
ham when I roasted it; that tasted more like salt than ham. I did add
just a little of it to the previously-mentioned stock; just enough to
give it some color and make it taste kind of salty.
-Bob
> In article <9ij8o4...@mid.individual.net>,
> zxcvbob <zxc...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> I thought I was supposed to bring the turkey to the church potluck this
>> weekend, but I've been asked to bring a ham instead. I've cooked hams
>> before, but never paid any attention to how much they serve.
>>
>> I bought an 10.6 pound "ham with water added" bone-in ham shank today at
>> Aldi. It was the largest half-ham in the case. That ought to serve
>> 30-something people if it's not the only meat, right? Or should I go
>> back and get one of the smaller butts too?
>>
>> -Bob
>
>> I thought I was supposed to bring the turkey to the church potluck this
>> weekend, but I've been asked to bring a ham instead. I've cooked hams
>> before, but never paid any attention to how much they serve.
>>
>> I bought an 10.6 pound "ham with water added" bone-in ham shank today at
>> Aldi. It was the largest half-ham in the case. That ought to serve
>> 30-something people if it's not the only meat, right? Or should I go
>> back and get one of the smaller butts too?
>>
>
> How'd you make out with your ham?
The 10.6 would have probably been enough by itself. I bought another 8#
shank to go with it, then realized how much I had when I started cooking
it all. I took a 9x13" lasagna pan full of thick-sliced ham to the
potluck, and had a pound or two left at home. Probably 2/3 of it got
eaten even tho' we only had 20 people show up that week. (a lot of the
regulars were traveling out of town) I put most of the leftovers in the
church freezer for the next men's breakfast, and we've almost finished
eating the remainder.
That was a lot of meat for $22!
I boiled the bones and trimmings with a few bay leaves and peppercorns
and made some nice stock. I made a pot of navybean soup with some of it
last night, and I pressure canned the remaining 3 pints for making bean
soup in January. I threw out most of the juice that cooked out of the
ham when I roasted it; that tasted more like salt than ham. I did add
just a little of it to the previously-mentioned stock; just enough to
give it some color and make it taste kind of salty.
-Bob
Message has been deleted
Brooklyn1
Dec 10, 2011, 11:12:39 PM12/10/11
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
What, you suddenly became illiterate... he clearly said that fully 1/3
of the people were no shows. And I truly believe we aren't hearing
all the details because a 10 pound bone-in shank half will not feed
even twenty people... there must have been a lot of extra food of all
kinds due to those 1/3 no shows. Since it was a pot luck twenty
people brought more food than was needed, maybe even a couple brought
hams, they were probably all pigged out. We're not hearing an
*honest* account because we aren't being told what else was brought to
eat... we are getting a very biased account... we'll never know the
truth, we weren't there, weren't even any pictures. I think this was
from beginning to end another one of those total BS threads,
borderline keyboard kookery. Barb, I know that you always offer
pictures of your special projects. I don't believe any rfc'er who
refuses to show photo images of what they claim was a special event.
It wouldn't have been difficult to snap a few pics of the food laid
out... there's been a lot more gum flapping than substance, somehow I
don't believe there was any potluck, it was all a booze induced dream.
Show me that ham on the table with all the other viands, only than
will I believe. I think most folks here are so full of doodoo they
leave brown stains on their pillows from their ears. And your comment
was uncalled for because I would have cooked up a big batch of baked
beans to go with that ham. I really don't believe any of what zxcvbob
posts, I think his posts are all drug induced fantasy, they are as
real as his name and his picture at the rfc mugs... bob is NOT a
person's name, it's a haircut.
>> I bought another 8#
>> shank to go with it, then realized how much I had when I started cooking
>> it all. I took a 9x13" lasagna pan full of thick-sliced ham to the
>> potluck, and had a pound or two left at home. Probably 2/3 of it got
>> eaten even tho' we only had 20 people show up that week. (a lot of the
>> regulars were traveling out of town) I put most of the leftovers in the
>> church freezer for the next men's breakfast, and we've almost finished
>> eating the remainder.
>>
>> That was a lot of meat for $22!
>
>Next year you can buy decent candy for Halloween with what you didn't
>spend. '-)
>> -Bob
> zxcvbob wrote:
>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> > How'd you make out with your ham?
>>
>> The 10.6 would have probably been enough by itself.
>
>What'd I tell you? Sheldon's full of beans. "-)
>> > How'd you make out with your ham?
>>
>> The 10.6 would have probably been enough by itself.
>
What, you suddenly became illiterate... he clearly said that fully 1/3
of the people were no shows. And I truly believe we aren't hearing
all the details because a 10 pound bone-in shank half will not feed
even twenty people... there must have been a lot of extra food of all
kinds due to those 1/3 no shows. Since it was a pot luck twenty
people brought more food than was needed, maybe even a couple brought
hams, they were probably all pigged out. We're not hearing an
*honest* account because we aren't being told what else was brought to
eat... we are getting a very biased account... we'll never know the
truth, we weren't there, weren't even any pictures. I think this was
from beginning to end another one of those total BS threads,
borderline keyboard kookery. Barb, I know that you always offer
pictures of your special projects. I don't believe any rfc'er who
refuses to show photo images of what they claim was a special event.
It wouldn't have been difficult to snap a few pics of the food laid
out... there's been a lot more gum flapping than substance, somehow I
don't believe there was any potluck, it was all a booze induced dream.
Show me that ham on the table with all the other viands, only than
will I believe. I think most folks here are so full of doodoo they
leave brown stains on their pillows from their ears. And your comment
was uncalled for because I would have cooked up a big batch of baked
beans to go with that ham. I really don't believe any of what zxcvbob
posts, I think his posts are all drug induced fantasy, they are as
real as his name and his picture at the rfc mugs... bob is NOT a
person's name, it's a haircut.
>> I bought another 8#
>> shank to go with it, then realized how much I had when I started cooking
>> it all. I took a 9x13" lasagna pan full of thick-sliced ham to the
>> potluck, and had a pound or two left at home. Probably 2/3 of it got
>> eaten even tho' we only had 20 people show up that week. (a lot of the
>> regulars were traveling out of town) I put most of the leftovers in the
>> church freezer for the next men's breakfast, and we've almost finished
>> eating the remainder.
>>
>> That was a lot of meat for $22!
>
>spend. '-)
>> -Bob
jasminr...@gmail.com
Apr 29, 2014, 3:33:06 PM4/29/14
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On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 9:10:34 PM UTC-5, zxcvbob wrote:
> I thought I was supposed to bring the turkey to the church potluck this
>
> weekend, but I've been asked to bring a ham instead. I've cooked hams
>
> before, but never paid any attention to how much they serve.
>
>
>
> I bought an 10.6 pound "ham with water added" bone-in ham shank today at
>
> Aldi. It was the largest half-ham in the case. That ought to serve
>
> 30-something people if it's not the only meat, right? Or should I go
>
> back and get one of the smaller butts too?
>
>
>
> -Bob
not helpful
> I thought I was supposed to bring the turkey to the church potluck this
>
> weekend, but I've been asked to bring a ham instead. I've cooked hams
>
> before, but never paid any attention to how much they serve.
>
>
>
> I bought an 10.6 pound "ham with water added" bone-in ham shank today at
>
> Aldi. It was the largest half-ham in the case. That ought to serve
>
> 30-something people if it's not the only meat, right? Or should I go
>
> back and get one of the smaller butts too?
>
>
>
> -Bob
Ed Pawlowski
Apr 29, 2014, 7:03:25 PM4/29/14
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On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 12:33:06 -0700 (PDT), jasminr...@gmail.com
wrote:
Two years later, they probably got hungry and went home anyway.
wrote:
jmcquown
Apr 29, 2014, 10:03:58 PM4/29/14
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Jill
jmcquown
Apr 29, 2014, 10:08:33 PM4/29/14
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who stumbles upon RFC during a search. ;)
Jill
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