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Jul 26, 2020, 1:37:33 PM7/26/20
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The last living link to Hollywood's "Golden Era" has passed...
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/olivia-de-havilland-dies_n_5872a943e4b043ad97e3d1ff
Acting Legend Olivia De Havilland Dies At 104
The two-time Oscar winner and “Gone with the Wind” star was also a vocal opponent of unfair labor laws and sexism in Hollywood.
"Olivia de Havilland, one of the last remaining stars of Hollywood’s golden age and the oldest living Academy Award winner, died on Sunday at her home in Paris. She was 104.
Her publicist Lisa Goldberg confirmed to HuffPost that de Havilland died peacefully from natural causes.
Gracing the silver screen in both big and small roles, in a career stretching over 50 years, de Havilland was perhaps best known for her performance as Melanie Hamilton in “Gone with the Wind,” and for making multiple films with Errol Flynn. She won the Academy Award for Best Actress twice, for “To Each His Own” in 1946 and for “The Heiress” in 1949.
She is also forever enshrined in the history of workplace law, scoring a major legal victory over the Hollywood studio system in 1944 that became informally known as “the de Havilland law.” Her lawsuit against Warner Brothers resulted in California state regulations that limited the extent to which artists could be bound to contracts. It catalyzed the eventual end of the powerful studio system, which often constrained actors’ career opportunities.
De Havilland had a lifelong personal and professional rivalry with her younger sister, Joan Fontaine, which became a major part of her star persona and the stuff of Hollywood legend. The two actors ― the only pair of siblings to win Oscars in a lead acting category ― clashed over everything from their careers, to their romances, to their mother’s funeral.
Fontaine, who died in 2013, said de Havilland resented sharing the spotlight and began antagonizing her younger sibling as soon as she was born.
“I remember not one act of kindness from Olivia all through my childhood,” Fontaine said in a 1978 interview with People magazine.
Both were nominated for the Best Actress Oscar in 1941 ― Fontaine for Alfred Hitchcock’s “Suspicion” and de Havilland for “Hold Back the Dawn.” They were sitting at the same table when Fontaine was announced the winner.
“I stared across the table, where Olivia was sitting directly opposite me. ‘Get up there, get up there,’ Olivia whispered commandingly. Now what had I done?” Fontaine later recalled in her memoir. “All the animus we’d felt toward each other as children, the hair-pullings, the savage wrestling watches, the time Olivia fractured my collarbone, all came rushing back in kaleidoscopic imagery. My paralysis was total.”
Unlike her sister, de Havilland rarely spoke about the feud. But in an interview with The Associated Press for her 100th birthday in 2016, she referred to Fontaine as “Dragon Lady” and described their relationship as “multi-faceted, varying from endearing to alienating.”
“On my part, it was always loving, but sometimes estranged and, in the later years, severed,” de Havilland said. “Dragon Lady, as I eventually decided to call her, was a brilliant, multi-talented person, but with an astigmatism in her perception of people and events which often caused her to react in an unfair and even injurious way.”
De Havilland was born in Tokyo on July 1, 1916, to British parents. She grew up in California, where she and Fontaine, a year and a half younger, were raised primarily by her mother, a former theater actor.
As a teenager, she began performing in community theater productions and gave up a college scholarship when she landed a role in a production of William Shakespeare’s “A Midsummer Night’s Dream” at the Hollywood Bowl. She reprised the role in Warner Brothers’ movie adaptation in 1935, which launched her film career.
“It was an illustrious beginning,” she told Entertainment Weekly in 2015.
The studio paired her with Flynn, who ended up being her co-star in a total of eight feature films. Their onscreen chemistry spurred rumors of a real-life romance, but de Havilland repeatedly denied it. Later in life, she admitted to having feelings for Flynn, saying that their last film together felt like a “loss.”
“I experienced a sense of grief and loss, a terrible feeling, but couldn’t define it at the time. I had sort of a sense of that you may know a person one way but not others. Errol and I were not sharing experiences and life but instead sharing the lives of these characters we were playing,” she recalled in a 2006 interview. “But, oh, he did mean a great deal to me, but in that day, a woman did not declare her feelings for a man.”
After the success of “Gone with the Wind,” de Havilland’s career continued to soar. In addition to winning two Oscars for Best Actress, she also received nominations for “Hold Back The Dawn” and “The Snake Pit.” In the latter film, released in 1948, de Havilland played a woman living in a psychiatric hospital after experiencing a mental breakdown. The movie’s realism inspired states to reform conditions in mental institutions.
De Havilland grew tired of the film industry and her celebrity by the 1950s. She moved to Paris, where she would remain for the rest of her life, taking fewer acting roles and preferring reality over the artifice of Hollywood.
“I loved being around real buildings, real castles, real churches — not ones made of canvas,” she told Vanity Fair in 2015. “There were real cobblestones. Somehow the cobblestones amazed me. When I would meet a prince or a duke, he was a real prince, a real duke.”
Later films included “Light in the Piazza” (1962) and “Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte” (1964), co-starring her friend Bette Davis. She also returned to theater and appeared on numerous TV shows, including the NBC miniseries “Anastasia: The Mystery of Anna,” for which she received an Emmy nomination in 1987.
As de Havilland got older, her deteriorating vision and hearing forced her to conduct interviews over email. Even in writing, though, she maintained her charm and wit and was candid about her career, including her experiences with sexism in Hollywood ― “a fact of life I simply had to accept,” she said in 2016.
“Men felt threatened and mistrustful of women who had good ideas, and one had to employ immense tact when dealing with directors and producers,” she said.
Men felt threatened and mistrustful of women who had good ideas, and one had to employ immense tact when dealing with directors and producers.
Olivia de Havilland
In 1965, she became the first woman to serve as president of the Cannes Film Festival’s jury. The French government appointed her a chevalier of its Legion of Honor in 2010.
U.S. President George W. Bush awarded her the National Medal of the Arts in 2008 “for her persuasive and compelling skill as an actor in roles from Shakespeare’s Hermia to Margaret Mitchell’s Melanie. Her independence, integrity, and grace won creative freedom for herself and her fellow film actors.”
Although de Havilland retired from acting in 1988, she still made occasional public appearances to commemorate her films and career. As one of the only surviving stars of “Gone with the Wind,” she often attended anniversary celebrations of the classic film.
She was met with a standing ovation when she introduced a presentation of previous Oscar winners at the 75th anniversary of the Academy Awards in 2003.
“There have also been tributes and similar occasions that have called me back to Hollywood,” she said in 2015. “I’ve returned so often, I almost feel that I’ve never left.”
Before she turned 100, she said that she hoped to live to 110. She remained in good health in her later years, regularly taking the stairs at her home in Paris and doing The New York Times crossword puzzle.
At the peak of her stardom, de Havilland had several famous Hollywood romances, including with business mogul Howard Hughes, actor Jimmy Stewart and director John Huston. She married and divorced twice, first to American screenwriter and novelist Marcus Aurelius Goodrich. Their son, Benjamin, died of Hodgkin’s lymphoma in 1991.
She is survived by her daughter, Gisele, from her second marriage to French journalist Pierre Galante..."
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/olivia-de-havilland-dies_n_5872a943e4b043ad97e3d1ff
Acting Legend Olivia De Havilland Dies At 104
The two-time Oscar winner and “Gone with the Wind” star was also a vocal opponent of unfair labor laws and sexism in Hollywood.
"Olivia de Havilland, one of the last remaining stars of Hollywood’s golden age and the oldest living Academy Award winner, died on Sunday at her home in Paris. She was 104.
Her publicist Lisa Goldberg confirmed to HuffPost that de Havilland died peacefully from natural causes.
Gracing the silver screen in both big and small roles, in a career stretching over 50 years, de Havilland was perhaps best known for her performance as Melanie Hamilton in “Gone with the Wind,” and for making multiple films with Errol Flynn. She won the Academy Award for Best Actress twice, for “To Each His Own” in 1946 and for “The Heiress” in 1949.
She is also forever enshrined in the history of workplace law, scoring a major legal victory over the Hollywood studio system in 1944 that became informally known as “the de Havilland law.” Her lawsuit against Warner Brothers resulted in California state regulations that limited the extent to which artists could be bound to contracts. It catalyzed the eventual end of the powerful studio system, which often constrained actors’ career opportunities.
De Havilland had a lifelong personal and professional rivalry with her younger sister, Joan Fontaine, which became a major part of her star persona and the stuff of Hollywood legend. The two actors ― the only pair of siblings to win Oscars in a lead acting category ― clashed over everything from their careers, to their romances, to their mother’s funeral.
Fontaine, who died in 2013, said de Havilland resented sharing the spotlight and began antagonizing her younger sibling as soon as she was born.
“I remember not one act of kindness from Olivia all through my childhood,” Fontaine said in a 1978 interview with People magazine.
Both were nominated for the Best Actress Oscar in 1941 ― Fontaine for Alfred Hitchcock’s “Suspicion” and de Havilland for “Hold Back the Dawn.” They were sitting at the same table when Fontaine was announced the winner.
“I stared across the table, where Olivia was sitting directly opposite me. ‘Get up there, get up there,’ Olivia whispered commandingly. Now what had I done?” Fontaine later recalled in her memoir. “All the animus we’d felt toward each other as children, the hair-pullings, the savage wrestling watches, the time Olivia fractured my collarbone, all came rushing back in kaleidoscopic imagery. My paralysis was total.”
Unlike her sister, de Havilland rarely spoke about the feud. But in an interview with The Associated Press for her 100th birthday in 2016, she referred to Fontaine as “Dragon Lady” and described their relationship as “multi-faceted, varying from endearing to alienating.”
“On my part, it was always loving, but sometimes estranged and, in the later years, severed,” de Havilland said. “Dragon Lady, as I eventually decided to call her, was a brilliant, multi-talented person, but with an astigmatism in her perception of people and events which often caused her to react in an unfair and even injurious way.”
De Havilland was born in Tokyo on July 1, 1916, to British parents. She grew up in California, where she and Fontaine, a year and a half younger, were raised primarily by her mother, a former theater actor.
As a teenager, she began performing in community theater productions and gave up a college scholarship when she landed a role in a production of William Shakespeare’s “A Midsummer Night’s Dream” at the Hollywood Bowl. She reprised the role in Warner Brothers’ movie adaptation in 1935, which launched her film career.
“It was an illustrious beginning,” she told Entertainment Weekly in 2015.
The studio paired her with Flynn, who ended up being her co-star in a total of eight feature films. Their onscreen chemistry spurred rumors of a real-life romance, but de Havilland repeatedly denied it. Later in life, she admitted to having feelings for Flynn, saying that their last film together felt like a “loss.”
“I experienced a sense of grief and loss, a terrible feeling, but couldn’t define it at the time. I had sort of a sense of that you may know a person one way but not others. Errol and I were not sharing experiences and life but instead sharing the lives of these characters we were playing,” she recalled in a 2006 interview. “But, oh, he did mean a great deal to me, but in that day, a woman did not declare her feelings for a man.”
After the success of “Gone with the Wind,” de Havilland’s career continued to soar. In addition to winning two Oscars for Best Actress, she also received nominations for “Hold Back The Dawn” and “The Snake Pit.” In the latter film, released in 1948, de Havilland played a woman living in a psychiatric hospital after experiencing a mental breakdown. The movie’s realism inspired states to reform conditions in mental institutions.
De Havilland grew tired of the film industry and her celebrity by the 1950s. She moved to Paris, where she would remain for the rest of her life, taking fewer acting roles and preferring reality over the artifice of Hollywood.
“I loved being around real buildings, real castles, real churches — not ones made of canvas,” she told Vanity Fair in 2015. “There were real cobblestones. Somehow the cobblestones amazed me. When I would meet a prince or a duke, he was a real prince, a real duke.”
Later films included “Light in the Piazza” (1962) and “Hush...Hush, Sweet Charlotte” (1964), co-starring her friend Bette Davis. She also returned to theater and appeared on numerous TV shows, including the NBC miniseries “Anastasia: The Mystery of Anna,” for which she received an Emmy nomination in 1987.
As de Havilland got older, her deteriorating vision and hearing forced her to conduct interviews over email. Even in writing, though, she maintained her charm and wit and was candid about her career, including her experiences with sexism in Hollywood ― “a fact of life I simply had to accept,” she said in 2016.
“Men felt threatened and mistrustful of women who had good ideas, and one had to employ immense tact when dealing with directors and producers,” she said.
Men felt threatened and mistrustful of women who had good ideas, and one had to employ immense tact when dealing with directors and producers.
Olivia de Havilland
In 1965, she became the first woman to serve as president of the Cannes Film Festival’s jury. The French government appointed her a chevalier of its Legion of Honor in 2010.
U.S. President George W. Bush awarded her the National Medal of the Arts in 2008 “for her persuasive and compelling skill as an actor in roles from Shakespeare’s Hermia to Margaret Mitchell’s Melanie. Her independence, integrity, and grace won creative freedom for herself and her fellow film actors.”
Although de Havilland retired from acting in 1988, she still made occasional public appearances to commemorate her films and career. As one of the only surviving stars of “Gone with the Wind,” she often attended anniversary celebrations of the classic film.
She was met with a standing ovation when she introduced a presentation of previous Oscar winners at the 75th anniversary of the Academy Awards in 2003.
“There have also been tributes and similar occasions that have called me back to Hollywood,” she said in 2015. “I’ve returned so often, I almost feel that I’ve never left.”
Before she turned 100, she said that she hoped to live to 110. She remained in good health in her later years, regularly taking the stairs at her home in Paris and doing The New York Times crossword puzzle.
At the peak of her stardom, de Havilland had several famous Hollywood romances, including with business mogul Howard Hughes, actor Jimmy Stewart and director John Huston. She married and divorced twice, first to American screenwriter and novelist Marcus Aurelius Goodrich. Their son, Benjamin, died of Hodgkin’s lymphoma in 1991.
She is survived by her daughter, Gisele, from her second marriage to French journalist Pierre Galante..."
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itsjoan...@webtv.net
Jul 26, 2020, 4:38:59 PM7/26/20
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On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 12:37:33 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
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> The last living link to Hollywood's "Golden Era" has passed...
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> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/olivia-de-havilland-dies_n_5872a943e4b043ad97e3d1ff
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> Acting Legend Olivia De Havilland Dies At 104
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I saw that a while ago when I got online. At least the old girl didn't
>
> The last living link to Hollywood's "Golden Era" has passed...
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> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/olivia-de-havilland-dies_n_5872a943e4b043ad97e3d1ff
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> Acting Legend Olivia De Havilland Dies At 104
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wither away in a nursing home or of some horrible disease and she had all
of her marbles until the end.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Jul 26, 2020, 9:30:23 PM7/26/20
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On Sunday, July 26, 2020 at 12:37:33 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
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> The last living link to Hollywood's "Golden Era" has passed...
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> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/olivia-de-havilland-dies_n_5872a943e4b043ad97e3d1ff
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> Acting Legend Olivia De Havilland Dies At 104
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I read a while ago that the actor John Saxon has also died at the age of 83
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> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/olivia-de-havilland-dies_n_5872a943e4b043ad97e3d1ff
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> Acting Legend Olivia De Havilland Dies At 104
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of pneumonia. He and his wife lived in a retirement community 30 miles
southeast of Nashville.
leno...@yahoo.com
Jul 27, 2020, 5:27:52 PM7/27/20
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There's a GWTW cookbook, too, but when I looked through it, it didn't seem to have the more expensive New Orleans dishes, like doves in wine.
Lenona.
Lenona.
GM
Jul 27, 2020, 5:43:53 PM7/27/20
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Saxon (and also Gavin) were "discovered" by notorious gay Hollywood agent Henry Willson, from Wiki:
"He started acting in movies during the mid-1950s, playing teenage roles. According to Robert Hofler's 2005 biography The Man Who Invented Rock Hudson: The Pretty Boys and Dirty Deals of Henry Willson, agent Henry Willson saw Saxon's picture on the cover of a detective magazine and immediately contacted the boy's family in Brooklyn. With his parents' permission, the 17-year-old Orrico contracted with Willson, and he was renamed John Saxon. He contracted with Universal Studios in April 1954 at $150 a week...
Henry Leroy Willson (July 31, 1911 – November 2, 1978) was an American Hollywood talent agent who played a large role in developing the beefcake craze of the 1950s. He was known for his stable of young, attractive clients, including Rock Hudson, Tab Hunter, Chad Everett, Robert Wagner, Nick Adams, Guy Madison, Troy Donahue, Mike Connors, Rory Calhoun, John Saxon, Yale Summers, Clint Walker, Doug McClure, Dack Rambo, Ty Hardin, and John Derek. He noticed Rhonda Fleming as she was walking to Beverly Hills High School, brought her to the attention of David O. Selznick, and helped groom her for stardom. He was also instrumental in advancing Lana Turner's career..."
--
Best
Greg
Cindy Hamilton
Jul 28, 2020, 5:45:06 AM7/28/20
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On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 5:27:52 PM UTC-4, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
> There's a GWTW cookbook, too, but when I looked through it, it didn't seem to have the more expensive New Orleans dishes, like doves in wine.
Why would it? GWTW mainly takes place in Georgia.
> There's a GWTW cookbook, too, but when I looked through it, it didn't seem to have the more expensive New Orleans dishes, like doves in wine.
Besides, where are people going to get doves? I could trap
mourning doves in my yard, but they're basically garbage cans
on wings. I suppose cornish game hens could be substituted.
Cindy Hamilton
leno...@yahoo.com
Jul 28, 2020, 8:43:11 AM7/28/20
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Maybe what I should have said was, the cookbook doesn't seem to make ANY real effort to reflect the novel, per se.
60 reader reviews of the 1961 cookbook - yes, I know it says 1991:
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Wind-Cook-Book-Southern/dp/1558593705
But, from the novel, in chapter 48 (the honeymoon chapter):
"Best of all things in New Orleans was the food. Remembering the bitter hungry days at Tara and her more recent penury, Scarlett felt that she could never eat enough of these rich dishes. Gumboes and shrimp Creole, doves in wine and oysters in crumbly patties full of creamy sauce, mushrooms and sweetbreads and turkey livers, fish baked cunningly in oiled paper and limes. Her appetite never dulled, for whenever she remembered the everlasting goobers and dried peas and sweet potatoes at Tara, she felt an urge to gorge herself anew of Creole dishes."
From 2010, some recipes for those dishes:
http://gwtwscrapbook.blogspot.com/2010/08/gorging-on-creole-dishes-honeymoon.html#.XyAaYuv3aK0
More recipes:
http://gwtwscrapbook.blogspot.com/search?q=Recipes#.XyAcAOv3aK0
Lenona.
60 reader reviews of the 1961 cookbook - yes, I know it says 1991:
https://www.amazon.com/Gone-Wind-Cook-Book-Southern/dp/1558593705
But, from the novel, in chapter 48 (the honeymoon chapter):
"Best of all things in New Orleans was the food. Remembering the bitter hungry days at Tara and her more recent penury, Scarlett felt that she could never eat enough of these rich dishes. Gumboes and shrimp Creole, doves in wine and oysters in crumbly patties full of creamy sauce, mushrooms and sweetbreads and turkey livers, fish baked cunningly in oiled paper and limes. Her appetite never dulled, for whenever she remembered the everlasting goobers and dried peas and sweet potatoes at Tara, she felt an urge to gorge herself anew of Creole dishes."
From 2010, some recipes for those dishes:
http://gwtwscrapbook.blogspot.com/2010/08/gorging-on-creole-dishes-honeymoon.html#.XyAaYuv3aK0
More recipes:
http://gwtwscrapbook.blogspot.com/search?q=Recipes#.XyAcAOv3aK0
Lenona.
jmcquown
Jul 28, 2020, 8:45:05 AM7/28/20
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On 7/27/2020 5:27 PM, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
> There's a GWTW cookbook, too, but when I looked through it, it didn't seem to have the more expensive New Orleans dishes, like doves in wine.
>
>
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> Lenona.
>
Awww, I'm sorry to hear about Olivia. They really downplayed her looks
> There's a GWTW cookbook, too, but when I looked through it, it didn't seem to have the more expensive New Orleans dishes, like doves in wine.
>
>
>
> Lenona.
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in GWTW. She was a pretty woman and a very accomplished actress.
I think one of the strangest films I ever saw her in was 'Lady in a
Cage' (1964). She played a wealthy woman with a broken hip who gets
stuck in an elevator (the "cage") she had installed. There's a power
failure and three "hoodlums" show up to rob her after she sets off the
alarm and terrorize her. What a very odd movie!
Also in 1964, she portrayed a charming, not really very nice relative
opposite Bette Davis in 'Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte'.
Jill
jmcquown
Jul 28, 2020, 8:56:00 AM7/28/20
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On 7/28/2020 5:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 5:27:52 PM UTC-4, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> There's a GWTW cookbook, too, but when I looked through it, it didn't seem to have the more expensive New Orleans dishes, like doves in wine.
>
> Why would it? GWTW mainly takes place in Georgia.
>
It was an OB: food reference. Scarlett went on her honeymoon in New
> On Monday, July 27, 2020 at 5:27:52 PM UTC-4, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> There's a GWTW cookbook, too, but when I looked through it, it didn't seem to have the more expensive New Orleans dishes, like doves in wine.
>
> Why would it? GWTW mainly takes place in Georgia.
>
Orleans. Of course, Scarlett wasn't portrayed by Olivia de Havilland.
> Besides, where are people going to get doves? I could trap
> mourning doves in my yard, but they're basically garbage cans
> on wings. I suppose cornish game hens could be substituted.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
all worked up about going dove hunting. I don't know specifically what
kind of doves but dove hunting was definitely a thing. Seems to me
there'd hardly be enough meat on doves to make it worthwhile. Just
another excuse for guys to run around in the woods with guns. <shrug>
Jill
leno...@yahoo.com
Jul 28, 2020, 9:07:04 AM7/28/20
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Not as much as they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress."
*I* thought she was quite pretty in GWTW. In fact, one could argue that both she and Vivien Leigh were TOO attractive. As the novel begins: "Scarlett O'Hara was not beautiful, but men seldom realized it..." (But then, almost whenever Leigh wasn't smiling in the movie, she looked practically hostile, so I suppose that was enough to make her not beautiful.)
And, later on, about Melanie:
"She was a tiny, frailly built girl, who gave the appearance of a child masquerading in her mother's enormous hoop skirts--an illusion that was heightened by shy, almost frightened look in her too large brown eyes. She had a cloud of curly black hair which was so sternly repressed beneath its net that no vagrant tendrils escaped, and this dark mass with its long widow's peak, accentuated the heart shape of her face. Too wide across the cheek bones, too pointed at the chin, it was a sweet, timid face but a plain face, and she had no feminine tricks of allure to make observers forget its plainness. She looked--and was--as simple as earth, as good as bread, as transparent as spring water. But for all her plainness of feature and smallness small of stature, there was a dedate dignity about her movements that was oddly touching and far older than her seventeen years."
Lenona.
*I* thought she was quite pretty in GWTW. In fact, one could argue that both she and Vivien Leigh were TOO attractive. As the novel begins: "Scarlett O'Hara was not beautiful, but men seldom realized it..." (But then, almost whenever Leigh wasn't smiling in the movie, she looked practically hostile, so I suppose that was enough to make her not beautiful.)
And, later on, about Melanie:
"She was a tiny, frailly built girl, who gave the appearance of a child masquerading in her mother's enormous hoop skirts--an illusion that was heightened by shy, almost frightened look in her too large brown eyes. She had a cloud of curly black hair which was so sternly repressed beneath its net that no vagrant tendrils escaped, and this dark mass with its long widow's peak, accentuated the heart shape of her face. Too wide across the cheek bones, too pointed at the chin, it was a sweet, timid face but a plain face, and she had no feminine tricks of allure to make observers forget its plainness. She looked--and was--as simple as earth, as good as bread, as transparent as spring water. But for all her plainness of feature and smallness small of stature, there was a dedate dignity about her movements that was oddly touching and far older than her seventeen years."
Lenona.
Cindy Hamilton
Jul 28, 2020, 10:04:01 AM7/28/20
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 8:43:11 AM UTC-4, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Maybe what I should have said was, the cookbook doesn't seem to make ANY real effort to reflect the novel, per se.
We're talking about the movie. Olivia de Havilland ?
> Maybe what I should have said was, the cookbook doesn't seem to make ANY real effort to reflect the novel, per se.
Cindy Hamilton
leno...@yahoo.com
Jul 28, 2020, 10:14:57 AM7/28/20
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The cookbook doesn't reflect the movie either, IIRC.
Cindy Hamilton
Jul 28, 2020, 10:36:55 AM7/28/20
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 10:14:57 AM UTC-4, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The cookbook doesn't reflect the movie either, IIRC.
It think it's just a marketing ploy to flog a cookbook that contains
> The cookbook doesn't reflect the movie either, IIRC.
"Famous Southern Recipes".
Cindy Hamilton
jmcquown
Jul 28, 2020, 12:13:48 PM7/28/20
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On 7/28/2020 9:06 AM, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Not as much as they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress."
>
I don't recall that movie.
> Not as much as they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress."
>
> *I* thought she was quite pretty in GWTW. In fact, one could argue that both she and Vivien Leigh were TOO attractive.
> As the novel begins: "Scarlett O'Hara was not beautiful, but men seldom realized it..." (But then, almost whenever Leigh wasn't smiling in the movie, she looked practically hostile, so I suppose that was enough to make her not beautiful.)
>
was in my 30's. Funny thing, in Memphis they used to have a 'Summer
Series of Films' at the Orpheum Theatre downtown. Oh, it was a grand
old historic theater. The Orpheum had/has an orchestra pit and balconies
and velvet curtains and was the very height of fashion for plays and
muscales in the 1930's.
Back around 1998, in Memphis, I saw an ad saying that on my birthday
they'd pull down the BIG movie screen at the Orpheum Theatre and show
GWTW as it was seen in 1939. People would dress up to go there.
You might not recall but I've got some Civil War costumes I bought
because I'm fascinated by the clothing of that era. For a moment I
considered dressing up and going to see it on the big screen... but it
was July and terribly hot.
Having worn such clothing, including corsets and pantalettes "No one
wears pantalettes anymore!" "Oh, what do they wear?" "You little wench,
you don't mind my knowing about them, you just mind me talking about them!"
I can tell you, hoop skirts are surprisingly cool but driving a standard
transmission car with a clutch while wearing a hoop skirt and multiple
layers of skirts isn't easy. LOL What the heck, I'd already seen the
movie so I didn't get dressed up and join the crowd.
I may be wrong but I think the tickets to see GWTW during that time of
the Summer Series were only $5 for the afternoon matinee. Probably
would have cost $25-30 to park the car.
> And, later on, about Melanie:
>
> "She was a tiny, frailly built girl, who gave the appearance of a child masquerading in her mother's enormous hoop skirts--an illusion that was heightened by shy, almost frightened look in her too large brown eyes"
>
>
Yes, again, I read the book. I liked Olivia de Havlilland a lot. She
was one of the true greats from that film era. TCM will probably show
some of her films in tribute. She had a very long career.
Jill
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Jul 28, 2020, 3:23:43 PM7/28/20
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 8:07:04 AM UTC-5, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Not as much as they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress."
>
> Lenona.
>
> Not as much as they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress."
>
>
Of course, they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress." She was supposed to
look like someone no man would really be interested and a plain Jane. What
made her 'attractive' to fortune-hunter Montgomery Cliff was her money. If
she'd been pretty as a picture in the movie men would have been swarming
about her and she could have had her pick. But then we wouldn't have the
movie as it was presented, would we?
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Jul 28, 2020, 3:26:17 PM7/28/20
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 11:13:48 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 7/28/2020 9:06 AM, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Not as much as they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress."
> >
> I don't recall that movie.
>
>
> On 7/28/2020 9:06 AM, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Not as much as they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress."
> >
> I don't recall that movie.
>
> TCM will probably show
> some of her films in tribute. She had a very long career.
>
> Jill
>
If TCM does air "The Heiress" try to watch it. The transformation is
> some of her films in tribute. She had a very long career.
>
> Jill
>
good.
GM
Jul 28, 2020, 4:29:36 PM7/28/20
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--
Best
Greg
Bruce
Jul 28, 2020, 4:31:14 PM7/28/20
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itsjoan...@webtv.net
Jul 28, 2020, 4:53:41 PM7/28/20
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 3:29:36 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:
end!
"How can you be so cruel?"
"I've been taught by masters."
>
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > Of course, they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress." She was supposed to
> > look like someone no man would really be interested and a plain Jane. What
> > made her 'attractive' to fortune-hunter Montgomery Cliff was her money. If
> > she'd been pretty as a picture in the movie men would have been swarming
> > about her and she could have had her pick. But then we wouldn't have the
> > movie as it was presented, would we?
>
> To see her transformation in "The Heiress" from a sweet innocent young woman to a stone - hearted adult woman is a shattering thing to see...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
>
In the blink of an eye, too! And 'Morris' got his comeuppance in the
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > Of course, they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress." She was supposed to
> > look like someone no man would really be interested and a plain Jane. What
> > made her 'attractive' to fortune-hunter Montgomery Cliff was her money. If
> > she'd been pretty as a picture in the movie men would have been swarming
> > about her and she could have had her pick. But then we wouldn't have the
> > movie as it was presented, would we?
>
> To see her transformation in "The Heiress" from a sweet innocent young woman to a stone - hearted adult woman is a shattering thing to see...
>
> --
> Best
> Greg
>
end!
"How can you be so cruel?"
"I've been taught by masters."
jmcquown
Jul 28, 2020, 5:56:42 PM7/28/20
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Jill
leno...@yahoo.com
Jul 28, 2020, 10:36:49 PM7/28/20
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>Of course, they downplayed her looks in "The Heiress." She was supposed to
look like someone no man would really be interested and a plain Jane. What
made her 'attractive' to fortune-hunter Montgomery Cliff was her money. If
she'd been pretty as a picture in the movie men would have been swarming
about her and she could have had her pick. But then we wouldn't have the
movie as it was presented, would we?
But, the ending isn't quite like the ending of the book - Washington Square.
Lenona.
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Jul 28, 2020, 11:45:30 PM7/28/20
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On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 9:36:49 PM UTC-5, leno...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> I knew all that, thank you. I was just dangling bait in front of any reader who wasn't familiar with the movie.
>
> But, the ending isn't quite like the ending of the book - Washington Square.
>
>
> Lenona.
>
Many times the movie or its' ending is nothing like the book. For many
> >
> I knew all that, thank you. I was just dangling bait in front of any reader who wasn't familiar with the movie.
>
> But, the ending isn't quite like the ending of the book - Washington Square.
>
>
> Lenona.
>
directors a book is just a jumping-off point of how they want the movie
to come across.
Leo
Jul 30, 2020, 8:56:52 PM7/30/20
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On 2020 Jul 28, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
(in article<d4878946-fa1c-4228...@googlegroups.com>):
> Besides, where are people going to get doves? I could trap
> mourning doves in my yard, but they're basically garbage cans
> on wings. I suppose cornish game hens could be substituted.
Mourning doves make a good pot pie. Their meat looks just like tiny hunks of
beef. It takes about ten doves per pie. Out here, some years a young man can
shoot ten doves in a couple of hours, and most years, a young man can’t
find one dove in a couple of days. Only the boned out breast halves are used.
leo
(in article<d4878946-fa1c-4228...@googlegroups.com>):
> Besides, where are people going to get doves? I could trap
> mourning doves in my yard, but they're basically garbage cans
> on wings. I suppose cornish game hens could be substituted.
beef. It takes about ten doves per pie. Out here, some years a young man can
shoot ten doves in a couple of hours, and most years, a young man can’t
find one dove in a couple of days. Only the boned out breast halves are used.
leo
Leo
Jul 30, 2020, 9:19:31 PM7/30/20
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On 2020 Jul 28, , GM wrote
(in article<8d4e45cc-81bf-47ef...@googlegroups.com>):
> To see her transformation in "The Heiress" from a sweet innocent young woman
> to a stone - hearted adult woman is a shattering thing to see...
I’m late to the thread and can’t view the first of it without a hassle,
but Olivia was Joan Fontaine’s sister if it hasn’t been posted
previously. They’re the only two siblings who ever won Best Actress/Actor
Oscars. Of course, I googled.
When her name came up on TV, I assumed that she had been dead for thirty
years, but I was wrong. Joan lived a long life too.
leo
(in article<8d4e45cc-81bf-47ef...@googlegroups.com>):
> To see her transformation in "The Heiress" from a sweet innocent young woman
> to a stone - hearted adult woman is a shattering thing to see...
but Olivia was Joan Fontaine’s sister if it hasn’t been posted
previously. They’re the only two siblings who ever won Best Actress/Actor
Oscars. Of course, I googled.
When her name came up on TV, I assumed that she had been dead for thirty
years, but I was wrong. Joan lived a long life too.
leo
itsjoan...@webtv.net
Jul 30, 2020, 10:31:18 PM7/30/20
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On Thursday, July 30, 2020 at 8:19:31 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>
> I’m late to the thread and can’t view the first of it without a hassle,
> but Olivia was Joan Fontaine’s sister if it hasn’t been posted
> previously. They’re the only two siblings who ever won Best Actress/Actor
> Oscars. Of course, I googled.
> When her name came up on TV, I assumed that she had been dead for thirty
> years, but I was wrong. Joan lived a long life too.
>
> leo
>
I liked them both, both were great actresses but still feuded until Joan's
>
> I’m late to the thread and can’t view the first of it without a hassle,
> but Olivia was Joan Fontaine’s sister if it hasn’t been posted
> previously. They’re the only two siblings who ever won Best Actress/Actor
> Oscars. Of course, I googled.
> When her name came up on TV, I assumed that she had been dead for thirty
> years, but I was wrong. Joan lived a long life too.
>
> leo
>
death. Professional jealousy or sibling rivalry that was never resolved?
Leo
Jul 31, 2020, 12:11:14 AM7/31/20
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On 2020 Jul 30, , itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote
(in article<7c06e2de-a41b-4ede...@googlegroups.com>):
> I liked them both, both were great actresses but still feuded until Joan's
> death. Professional jealousy or sibling rivalry that was never resolved?
There’s a sister biography movie in there somewhere. I had no idea. Old
Hollywood actors die in our minds when they leave the industry. I associate
Olivia and Joan with Bogart, Gary Cooper, Susan Hayward and Fay Wray.
Damn! Fay Wray lived an extended life too. She was pretty in 1930’s movies
and only passed in 2004. Wray was barely older than Mom. Dad was a bit older
than Charles Lindbergh. Now, I feel old :(
(in article<7c06e2de-a41b-4ede...@googlegroups.com>):
> I liked them both, both were great actresses but still feuded until Joan's
> death. Professional jealousy or sibling rivalry that was never resolved?
Hollywood actors die in our minds when they leave the industry. I associate
Olivia and Joan with Bogart, Gary Cooper, Susan Hayward and Fay Wray.
Damn! Fay Wray lived an extended life too. She was pretty in 1930’s movies
and only passed in 2004. Wray was barely older than Mom. Dad was a bit older
than Charles Lindbergh. Now, I feel old :(
cruciverbalist
Jul 31, 2020, 8:15:06 PM7/31/20
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