Aunt Jemima is gone

[Ed Pawlowski]

Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.

Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
Aunt like her.

[Dave Smith]

Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
offended. Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.

[dsi1]

The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.

[Dave Smith]

Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people to
complain that black people are under represented in public images. In
Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for breakfast for
little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.

Is Uncle Ben next?

[Ed Pawlowski]

No, she is not my Aunt but no different that the Hawaiian Uncle.

Growing up, as a toddler our neighbor had a helper a few days a week,
Miss Beulah. She looked much like the old Aunt Jemima and sometimes she
made us lunch or a snack. We just thought she was a nice lady that
looked after a half dozen of us that played together. Color made no
difference.

[Hank Rogers]

Or maybe an asian with chopsticks would be the best choice,
indicating that the product is superior to others.

[dsi1]

That would be true if you were down South too, but not too far South - Filipino or Mexican. When I was a kid, we had an old Japanese lady come down to watch us brats and do some house cleaning. She never made us nothing. I suppose that her main job was to make sure we didn't burn the house down.

[dsi1]

On this rock, people that are older than you are called "aunty" or "uncle." They're not usually paid to raise the kids, though. Extended families are common so it's usually the grandparents that help raise the grand-kids. The most famous auntie on this rock is Aunty Genoa Keawe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-E78ItDo4

[dsi1]

You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a little. In fact, that would be awesome!

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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==

Awww lovely :)))

[Ed Pawlowski]

Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
the guy, not disparaging him.

Is there a real Uncle Ben?
According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 3:27:07 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
> the guy, not disparaging him.
>
> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
> for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
> supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
> Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.
>

In the South, the title uncle or aunt was applied to either black or white
elderly folks as a matter of respect.

[jmcquown]

I think the whole situation is getting out of hand.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

I don't know if it was Uncle Ben or Mrs. Butterworth, you blinked and it
happened.


Funny how these things happen. A while ago they got rid of the
stereotyped south Asian Apu on the Simpsons, but there was no complaint
about the stereotyped Scotsman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQHpCBEIFMA

[Dave Smith]

Next to go is Eskimo Pie, a chocolate covered hunk of ice cream on a
stick. We grew up thinking if Eskimo only as the name for the people in
the far north. We were also under the impression that it was the term
that the northern Indians used for them and that it meant eaters of raw
meat. Now it is seen as a pejora
tive.

[Hank Rogers]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>> wrote:
>>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>>>>> Is nothing sacred?  After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â

>>>>> We grew up
>>>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me,
>>>>> she was
>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have
>>>>> a good

>>>>> breakfast.  IMO, the world would be a better place if

>>>>> everyone had an
>>>>> Aunt like her.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need
>>>> to be

>>>> offended.  Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that

Will Frank White (cream of wheat guy who replaced Rastus on the
package in 1920's) be gone too?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_L._White

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastus

[jmcquown]

Thing is, Aunt Jemima is syrup and boxed pancake mix. A marketing
concept which underwent a lot of changes through the 131 year history,
according to the article in the New York Times:

"In magazine advertisements throughout much of the 20th century, the
character was shown serving white families. Aunt Jemima went through
several redesigns over the decades. In 1989, Quaker Oats substantially
revised the character’s look, adding pearl earrings and a lace collar."

I do not understand why her drawn image is suddenly a horrific insult to
anyone. It's *marketing*. Same thing with Uncle Ben, who apparently
lent his image and his name to sell his own brand of rice. He was a
real person who made money as a result. Would he be happy to see his
face taken off those boxes of rice?

Jill

[dsi1]

Aunty Genoa Keawe's legacy lives on in the younger generation. This guy is singing one of her signature falsetto meles. It's quite a wonderful thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvm08mtVJ0A

[dsi1]

That's fine, if the idea of your mom being forced to work for slave wages cleaning up other people's houses and raising other people's kids appeals to you. It's great if you think putting a grinning picture of your mom or aunt on a box of product to sell to generations of people that called her "mammy" because economic and societal conditions forced her to raise them instead of raising you is a good thing.

[Ed Pawlowski]

There is nothing derogatory with the name Jemima and seems to be used by
people of other countries too. The original drawings did depict her as
kitchen help, not so much the updated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemima

Taking Uncle Ben off the rice is an insult to him. He was a hard
working farmer and achieved a bit of recognition for his skills.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

yeah the white people feel they are being racist because some black
people are actually being racist

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[Hank Rogers]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 6:59 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/17/2020 1:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-06-17 1:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> Is nothing sacred?  After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â

>>>>> We grew
>>>>> up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me,
>>>>> she was
>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a

>>>>> good breakfast.  IMO, the world would be a better place if

>>>>> everyone
>>>>> had an Aunt like her.
>>>>
>>>> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be
>>>> your
>>>> mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
>>>> concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they
>>>> can
>>>> change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people
>>> to complain that black people are under represented in public
>>> images. In Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for
>>> breakfast for little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.
>>

>> Thing is, Aunt Jemima is syrup and boxed pancake mix.  A

>> marketing concept which underwent a lot of changes through the
>> 131 year history, according to the article in the New York Times:
>>
>> "In magazine advertisements throughout much of the 20th century,
>> the character was shown serving white families. Aunt Jemima went
>> through several redesigns over the decades. In 1989, Quaker Oats

>> substantially revised the character’s look, adding pearl

>> earrings and a lace collar."
>>
>> I do not understand why her drawn image is suddenly a horrific

>> insult to anyone.  It's *marketing*.  Same thing with Uncle

>> Ben, who apparently lent his image and his name to sell his own

>> brand of rice.  He was a real person who made money as a
>> result.  Would he be happy to see his face taken off those boxes

>> of rice?
>>
>> Jill
>
> There is nothing derogatory with the name Jemima and seems to be
> used by people of other countries too.  The original drawings did
> depict her as kitchen help, not so much the updated.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemima
>
> Taking Uncle Ben off the rice is an insult to him.  He was a hard
> working farmer and achieved a bit of recognition for his skills.

Maybe it's best to take these images off. We wouldn't want more
riots over pancake syrup.

[Ed Pawlowski]

We evolved away from that years ago. I know people that make a very
good wage cleaning houses. You problem if you want to live with old
stereotypes and not move on.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:27:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

Australian cheese brand Coon, named after American Edward William Coon
is on the radar of the Permanently Offended:
<https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/90634acf0e02011a8f5615e65091d805>

[Bruce]

That's proof that Hawaiians can swim.

[dsi1]

It's a little known fact! Due to the paranoia of the Yellow Scare during the Korean war, all traces of the words "uncle" and "aunty" was removed from the movie "Gone with the Wind", and replaced with "mammy", "masta" and "nigger." Because present day America is more accepting of Asians these days, the time might be right to restore GWTW back to its original artistic vision of the antebellum South.

[dsi1]

It's not really my problem. Yoose folks on the mainland can keep your vestiges of the old South that yoose so desperately cling to. Us guys on this rock have our own problems to tend to. I was just trying to get people to see what it looks like from the other guy's point of view. Oh well, we can't all be Gregory Peck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMl4hwcc

[Bruce]

A mouse and an elephant are crossing a bridge. The mouse says to the
elephant: "We're making the whole bridge shake."

That's dsi1's rock versus the mainland.

[Julie Bove]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message
news:svrGG.12803$DO2....@fx45.iad...

> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>
> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just a
> familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good breakfast.
> IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an Aunt like her.

Not only that, SHE founded that brand name, herself. She was the first black
millionaire in this country, Sad.

[Julie Bove]

"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message

news:5ssGG.21113$PN2....@fx48.iad...

> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>>> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>
>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
>>> a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>>> breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>>> Aunt like her.
>>
>>

>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
>> offended. Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that antebellum
>> air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply showed a black
>> woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face. Companies will be
>> afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for fear that someone
>> will feel a need to whine about, and then they will complain that the are
>> not represented in commercial placement.
>>
>
> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>
> Is Uncle Ben next?

Yep. I heard that's going too.

[dsi1]

My uncle Charlie used to say "Mouse should never cross shaky bridge with elephant." Now that's some damn good advice.

We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/BrIOcGnvRAq8fYEVYaWkeA.Mga5sU3GB6RtSVcPGrOSLj

[Cindy Hamilton]

Are the chips corn or wheat?

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:03:05 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> It's not really my problem. Yoose folks on the mainland can keep your vestiges of the old South that yoose so desperately cling to.

You're right. Here we sit, plaintively singing Dixie, wishing that
brown people still knew their place.

> Us guys on this rock have our own problems to tend to. I was just trying to get people to see what it looks like from the other guy's point of view. Oh well, we can't all be Gregory Peck.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMl4hwcc

David, Gregory Peck was an actor. He spoke other people's words in
a convincing manner.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 02:49:37 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

Your uncle was a wise man.

>We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/BrIOcGnvRAq8fYEVYaWkeA.Mga5sU3GB6RtSVcPGrOSLj

I think I see tortilla chips, green onion, corn (of course, we're in
America), tomato and avocado?

[dsi1]

They are wonton pi sheets so they're are flour and egg pasta. The sheets are cut in half and deep fried.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:

>
> dsi1 wrote:
> > We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had
> > ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.
> >
> >https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/BrIOcGnvRAq8fYEVYaWkeA.Mga5sU3GB6RtSVcPGrOSLj


> I think I see tortilla chips, green onion, corn (of course, we're in
> America), tomato and avocado?

What's your issue with corn?

[Bruce]

Nothing, I'm just surprised that y'all love it so much, GM or not.
Sorry, make that GM.

[Gary]

For some reason, many are terrified of genetically modified food.
It's just modern science at work and moving on. I notice that
vegetarians love the idea of fake meat grown from stem cells
though.

[Bruce]

There's so much wrong with GM food that I'll just refer you to Google.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:23:19 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:

> > > We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.
> > >
> > > https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/BrIOcGnvRAq8fYEVYaWkeA.Mga5sU3GB6RtSVcPGrOSLj
> >
> > Are the chips corn or wheat?
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> They are wonton pi sheets so they're are flour and egg pasta. The sheets are cut in half and deep fried.

Oh, good. Corn chips didn't sound like they'd go well at all with ahi
poke. I'd eat those ahi poke nachos in a Kaneohe minute (appreciably more
leisurely than a New York minute).

I should have asked earlier:
What are the yellow things that Bruce identified as corn? They look too
oblong to be corn.

Cindy Hamilton

[Boron Elgar]

Yup, you're a racist.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Your sad opinion. Because of my house cleaning comment? When I was
looking to make a few extra bucks I washed windows. Slave wages? I pay
my cleaning lady 33% more per hour than a nurse we know here.

I also have Uncle Ben's rice in my pantry. He makes good stuff and
should be proud of it.

Your virtue signaling leads me to think you are more racist than my real
life record shows.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:37:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

My mother had a youngish (20s) Italian lady who did the heavy cleaning
once a week. Gracie spoke very little English but enough to get by.
She also had pierced ear earings which amazed me... back then
immigrant girls from Europe had pierced ears... at five years old I
wondered if it hurt. Growing up in Brooklyn I was accustomed to every
ethnicity, religion, and skin color... took me into my early twenties,
in the Navy, before I realized that people could be so prejudiced and
hateful... in the Navy I encountered people from every state and small
town, many were extremely hateful and prejudiced. Skin color never
phases me, I enjoy every color bozoms equally.

[Taxed and Spent]

rainbow bozoms?

[Hank Rogers]

Popeye, I bet yoose humped Gracie in the broom closet, right?

[dsi1]

There's not too much to it. Avocados, ahi, onions, tomatoes, green onion, furukaki, and a shoyu, sugar, and vinegar, sauce. It was quite a refreshing plate of "nachos." There was no corn it in.

[tert in seattle]

e...@snet.xxx writes:
>On 6/17/2020 6:59 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>> On 6/17/2020 1:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-06-17 1:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Is nothing sacred?A After 130 years an old friend is gone.A We grew

>>>>> up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a

>>>>> good breakfast.A IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone

>>>>> had an Aunt like her.
>>>>

>>>> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
>>>> mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
>>>> concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can
>>>> change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people to
>>> complain that black people are under represented in public images. In
>>> Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for breakfast for
>>> little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.
>>

>> Thing is, Aunt Jemima is syrup and boxed pancake mix.A A marketing

>> concept which underwent a lot of changes through the 131 year history,
>> according to the article in the New York Times:
>>
>> "In magazine advertisements throughout much of the 20th century, the
>> character was shown serving white families. Aunt Jemima went through
>> several redesigns over the decades. In 1989, Quaker Oats substantially

>> revised the charactera s look, adding pearl earrings and a lace collar."

>>
>> I do not understand why her drawn image is suddenly a horrific insult to

>> anyone.A It's *marketing*.A Same thing with Uncle Ben, who apparently
>> lent his image and his name to sell his own brand of rice.A He was a
>> real person who made money as a result.A Would he be happy to see his

>> face taken off those boxes of rice?
>>
>> Jill
>
>There is nothing derogatory with the name Jemima and seems to be used by
>people of other countries too. The original drawings did depict her as
>kitchen help, not so much the updated.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemima
>
>Taking Uncle Ben off the rice is an insult to him. He was a hard
>working farmer and achieved a bit of recognition for his skills.

The use of "Aunt Jemima" as a derogatory slur is very much alive.

<https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-reassigned-allegedly-calling-black-woman-juror-aunt/story?id=68824246>

gotta say it's entertaining seeing a bunch of old white people
outraged about a black lady not being used to sell syrup any more

[dsi1]

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 8:36:10 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

Breaking news: My daughter bought some chocolate covered marshmallows at the Foodland supermarket. They were in the shape of turtles and are called "Honu Shaped Marshmallows." They were sold under the Maika'i house brand. She was upset to learn that they were not made on this rock. These little guys were made in France and quite tasty, by the way. I think this is a valuable lesson for her in the business of selling merchandise. Now I got to find out what she's got against France. :)

[dsi1]

There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.

[Hank Rogers]

Thank God Colonel Sanders was white!

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:8f7bdec9-9cc6-4980...@googlegroups.com...

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:15:58 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> news:c704f422-949e-4bc4...@googlegroups.com...
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:44:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> > On 6/17/2020 1:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> > >> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew

> > >> up
> > >> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> > >>
> > >> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> > >> just
> > >> a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good

> > >> breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an

> > >> Aunt like her.
> > >
> > > The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
> > > mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
> > > concept
> > > is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can change her
> > > into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
> > >
> >

> > No, she is not my Aunt but no different that the Hawaiian Uncle.
> >
> > Growing up, as a toddler our neighbor had a helper a few days a week,
> > Miss Beulah. She looked much like the old Aunt Jemima and sometimes she
> > made us lunch or a snack. We just thought she was a nice lady that
> > looked after a half dozen of us that played together. Color made no
> > difference.
>
> On this rock, people that are older than you are called "aunty" or
> "uncle."
> They're not usually paid to raise the kids, though. Extended families are
> common so it's usually the grandparents that help raise the grand-kids.
> The
> most famous auntie on this rock is Aunty Genoa Keawe.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-E78ItDo4
>
> ==
>
> Awww lovely :)))

Aunty Genoa Keawe's legacy lives on in the younger generation. This guy is
singing one of her signature falsetto meles. It's quite a wonderful thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvm08mtVJ0A

===

WOW :))))

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:c96c491c-41a0-4af5...@googlegroups.com...

===

I don't want to know about any spicy stuff, but that looks really
good:)))) What did you have?

[Ed Pawlowski]

That nice old lady was a comforting figure for decades. I don't see
that as racists but a plus. You can make it racists though. Is it any
worse than having Michael Jordan selling sneakers? Or Tom Sellick
selling revers mortgages? Or any other celebrity hawking of a product.

Pandering is what it is, everyone wants to jump on the pandering
bandwagon.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 10:09:22 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Your sad opinion. Because of my house cleaning comment? When I was
> looking to make a few extra bucks I washed windows. Slave wages? I pay
> my cleaning lady 33% more per hour than a nurse we know here.
>

Maybe she can't afford to hire a house cleaner but no need for her to get
bent out of shape because you can. I don't know about other places but
most of the house cleaners here are white folks. And they bring in some
big bucks for their services. It's a very lucrative business here but
I'm not sure how they've fared since the shutdown and so many folks not
working and can't afford them now.

[Bruce]

That's because you're not from the mainland of course.

[Bruce]

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:31:58 -0500, Hank Rogers <Nos...@invalid.com>
wrote:

Colonels are military. Do you know what the military have done to
people of colour over the centuries? Down with the Colonel!

[Dave Smith]

And you are a moron. Lots of women make money cleaning houses. I know
several women who have done it and a couple of them still do. We had a
few house cleaners over the years. Most of them were white, but that is
because I live in a region that is predominately white. We did have a
more divers crew for a few years. They were the adopted children of a
Dutch couple in town. One was Vietnamese, one was from Bangladesh, one
from South America and one from Jamaica. They came two at a time and
we were never sure which two would be coming. There was one who we
would know had been on the job that day because all the paintings would
have been dusted..... and left a little crooked.

[Bruce]

But I do so love the "kernels" that spew out me arse after eating a big load of corn on the cob. My brown stools are studded with yellow "polka dots", very scenic!

[Silvar Beitel]

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:

> There's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.

That's B.S.

And it's Stills a good song, for what it's worth.

--
Silvar Beitel

[dsi1]

Why yes, good one!

I saw Mr. Stills when he came to Honolulu. I believe he opened for Chicago. Boy, what a dinosaur I am!

[Hank Rogers]

Some of de chilluns just want to take the opportunity to steal some
mo shit.

They'll go back home to mammy after they've burned de town down,
and run out of dope.

Lawsy ... always turns out dis way.

[Hank Rogers]

YAAAY Down with dutch cocksuckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK DRUCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hank Rogers]

Roll over man ... Popeye will soon be felching that stuff out of
your ass. And Druce will come to sniff the whole event. He'll whine
a lot, but nary an asshole will go unsniffed.

[dsi1]

I had a hamburger steak. I told the lady to give me extra gravy. She gave me a bowl of gravy. I thought that was going overboard but my guess is that the waitress was happy to be serving people again so they go overboard. Hamburger steak is kind of boring but I wasn't hungry and wanted something cheap. I did ask for some Tobasco sauce to give it a little ki-ki-kick. The hamburger steak was so-so but it was nice to sit with the family at a big table and eat.

[Hank Rogers]

How exciting.

[dsi1]

That wasn't exciting at all - this is exciting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVq_QSSBB_o

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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===

Ahh yes! Your restaurants and cafes have been closed too?? Ours still
are!

[dsi1]

It's probably not a good idea to go dining out at this time - you're taking a risk. OTOH, Hawaii is not a hotbed of covid-19 activity. OTOH, I don't want no stinking tourists flying over bringing their diseases. The first visitors in the 1800's brought bugs over here that killed off 90% of the natives. OTOH, I suppose pandemics like this will be common in the future so we probably can't run and hide.

What the world needs now is a good, comfortable, face mask that can be worn for extended periods. I suppose we're going to need one with a remote air intake i.e., a "snoko."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MljH_D0eMIo

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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====

LOL I don't think that would help very much:)))

I suspect you get a lot of visitors too:( Can you isolate yourselves
from them? Do you have the 2 metre rule?

We stay 2 metres away from anyone we are near and we wear (real) masks:)
We also wear gloves with sanitizer.

It's not too bad for us I think. The nearest shop is a good distance and
we don't really meet up with anyone unless we are in one.

D. takes very good care of us for which I am always grateful! When we
are shopping he disinfects the trolley and all packaging. He leaves nothing
to chance!

We need to be careful at our age and I hope you all will too. I am sure
your wife will advise you well.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-06-19 3:41 a.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:27:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>

> That's actually pretty ironic. It was considered a derogatory icon
> to Southern blacks (Not really "racist" - that's an abused word).
> But they didn't really give a shit and still bought it. It took a
> bunch of White snowflakes to complain loud enough that they finally
> got rid of it.
>
> Just like all the confederate statues, school names, public
> buildings, roads, etc... named after confederates. You'd be pretty
> hard pressed to find 1 out of 50 American=born blacks that were
> actually offended by any of that 10 years ago.
>
> Thank god we have white people to inform these other races how to be
> offended. Next they're gonna have to do soemhgin about all this
> Racists programming on TV. Whole channels dedicated to Black.
> Movies and TV shows where 95% of the actors/characters are black
> (with maybe a token Asian or some oddly eccentric/insignificant
> White person). And the new fad is to only shop and eat at
> businesses owned by blacks. But why aren't those same people going
> to their churches?
>
> That's racism at its finest.
>


It's like I said recently about there being two types of racists, those
who think all black people like watermelon and fried chicken, and those
who would never serve watermelon or fried chicken to black guests. I am
getting really fed up with this virtue sharing bullshit.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:15:05 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>

Where I live it's been a 1/2 mile rule for as long as we've lived
here. The only time we know other people are closeby is when when we
hear tractors and chainsaws. Otherwise we hear critters...
woodpeckers were busy this morning. we don't need to hire a stump
grinder, Woody does a better job.

[Bruce]

on 6/19/2020, Sheldon Martin supposed :

> we don't need to hire a stump
> grinder, Woody does a better job.
>

A woodpecker must have drilled a hole
in that stupid skull of yours, Shelly.

[dsi1]

You husband is doing a great job! On this rock everybody wears a mask and when we go shopping, the cart gets wiped down by a store employee before/after it's used. We try to stay 6 feet apart but yesterday I had a client that insisted on doing fist bumps. I had to clean my hands after that one.

What would be cool would be to run our household like a germ lab where everybody the comes in gets decontaminated first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vw7E7uE3E

[Bruce]

Oy that would smell really great.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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It makes you wonder how some people think!!

What would be cool would be to run our household like a germ lab where
everybody the comes in gets decontaminated first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vw7E7uE3E

LOL D. is going to love that one:))))

[dsi1]

As it goes, humans are the filthiest of animals - with the exception of Mexican masked professional wrestlers, of course.

[jmcquown]

On 6/18/2020 1:28 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
> e...@snet.xxx writes:

>> On 6/17/2020 6:59 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>>> On 6/17/2020 1:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2020-06-17 1:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Is nothing sacred?A After 130 years an old friend is gone.A We grew

>>>>>> up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a

>>>>>> good breakfast.A IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone

>>>>>> had an Aunt like her.
>>>>>

>>>>> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
>>>>> mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
>>>>> concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can
>>>>> change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people to
>>>> complain that black people are under represented in public images. In
>>>> Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for breakfast for
>>>> little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.
>>>
>>> Thing is, Aunt Jemima is syrup and boxed pancake mix.A A marketing
>>> concept which underwent a lot of changes through the 131 year history,
>>> according to the article in the New York Times:
>>>
>>> "In magazine advertisements throughout much of the 20th century, the
>>> character was shown serving white families. Aunt Jemima went through
>>> several redesigns over the decades. In 1989, Quaker Oats substantially
>>> revised the charactera s look, adding pearl earrings and a lace collar."
>>>
>>> I do not understand why her drawn image is suddenly a horrific insult to
>>> anyone.A It's *marketing*.A Same thing with Uncle Ben, who apparently
>>> lent his image and his name to sell his own brand of rice.A He was a
>>> real person who made money as a result.A Would he be happy to see his
>>> face taken off those boxes of rice?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>

>> There is nothing derogatory with the name Jemima and seems to be used by
>> people of other countries too. The original drawings did depict her as
>> kitchen help, not so much the updated.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemima
>>
>> Taking Uncle Ben off the rice is an insult to him. He was a hard
>> working farmer and achieved a bit of recognition for his skills.
>
> The use of "Aunt Jemima" as a derogatory slur is very much alive.
>
> <https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-reassigned-allegedly-calling-black-woman-juror-aunt/story?id=68824246>
>
> gotta say it's entertaining seeing a bunch of old white people
> outraged about a black lady not being used to sell syrup any more
>
>

Well I'll just have to ask my black friends (yes, I have a few) if
they've ever really given much thought about the images on a box of
pancake mix or rice before. I'll let you know what they say.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 6/18/2020 5:58 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:03:05 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> It's not really my problem. Yoose folks on the mainland can keep your vestiges of the old South that yoose so desperately cling to.
>

> You're right. Here we sit, plaintively singing Dixie, wishing that
> brown people still knew their place.

>
>> Us guys on this rock have our own problems to tend to. I was just trying to get people to see what it looks like from the other guy's point of view. Oh well, we can't all be Gregory Peck.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMl4hwcc
>

> David, Gregory Peck was an actor. He spoke other people's words in
> a convincing manner.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Since dsi1 loves youtube videos, here's one: Aunt Jemima was a "model"
named Lillian Richards [Williams] who made a career out of portraying
Aunt Jemima starting in 1925:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WeXkHyBhKo

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 6/18/2020 11:09 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I also have Uncle Ben's rice in my pantry.  He makes good stuff and
> should be proud of it.
>
I have a box of Uncle Ben's rice in my pantry, too. Wonder if I should
set it aside in case it becomes a museum piece one day? ;)

Jill

[Bruce]

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 18:38:29 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Pictures or it didn't happen.

[Hank Rogers]

Yoose becoming our new Popeye?

[dsi1]

Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn if they ditch aunt J or not. I don't buy no rebel pancake mix. I stick with the Union/Yankee pancake brand - Krusteaz.

[Cindy Hamilton]

My grandmother had a bunch of, um, "pickaninny" housewares from the
1920s or 1930s. Plastic salt shakers and the like. I wonder what
ever became of them. Probably ended up in a landfill somewhere,
although I know there's a small collector's market for them.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

If we made pancakes, we'd make them from scratch. We always have
the very simple ingredients on hand:

Flour
Eggs
Fat (oil or melted butter)
Baking powder
Sugar
Salt
Milk

Same thing with waffles. Same ingredients, different proportions.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 6/18/2020 11:09 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >

> > I also have Uncle Ben's rice in my pantry. He makes good stuff and

> > should be proud of it.
> >
> I have a box of Uncle Ben's rice in my pantry, too. Wonder if I should
> set it aside in case it becomes a museum piece one day? ;)

You might want to do that if those disappear from the market.
You would be surprised at what collector's will pay for
old, long gone items in good shape.

[jmcquown]

The Pink Palace museum in Memphis contains a replica of the first
self-serve US grocery store (Piggly Wiggly). It has contains shelves
full of items from the early 20th century in pristine condition. It's
entirely possible Uncle Ben's rice with his iconic image could wind up
in a museum some day. :)

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 6/18/2020 4:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/18/2020 1:28 PM, tert in seattle wrote:
>> e...@snet.xxx writes:

>>> Taking Uncle Ben off the rice is an insult to him.  He was a hard
>>> working farmer and achieved a bit of recognition for his skills.
>>
>> The use of "Aunt Jemima" as a derogatory slur is very much alive.
>>
>> <https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-reassigned-allegedly-calling-black-woman-juror-aunt/story?id=68824246>
>>
>>
>> gotta say it's entertaining seeing a bunch of old white people
>> outraged about a black lady not being used to sell syrup any more
>>

Her family does not agree with you

https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/aunt-jemimas-great-grandson-enraged-her-legacy-vanishing

"This is an injustice for me and my family. This is part of my history,
sir," Larnell Evans Sr. told me. "The racism they talk about, using
images from slavery, that comes from the other side — white people. This
company profits off images of our slavery. And their answer is to erase
my great-grandmother's history. A black female. … It hurts."

[Hank Rogers]

Many years ago, a neighbor had an old decorative pot, It could be
for flowers, or to put small items of junk in. The main part looked
like an old wringer washing machine. The upper part was a very dark
skinned old mammy operating the machine, but she was screaming and
had one of her tits caught in the wringer mechanism.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:35:21 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

But will the Eternally Offended accept that?

[Leo]

On 2020 Jun 17, , Bruce wrote
(in article<9o2mefh9lhcpgu2n0...@4ax.com>):

> A mouse and an elephant are crossing a bridge. The mouse says to the
> elephant: "We're making the whole bridge shake."

Nice metaphor. I’m stealing it.

leo aka Don Leo aka Uncle Leo

[Hank Rogers]

Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:35:21 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/20/2020 7:26 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 6/18/2020 11:09 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>> I also have Uncle Ben's rice in my pantry. He makes good stuff and

>>>>> should be proud of it.
>>>>>
>>>> I have a box of Uncle Ben's rice in my pantry, too. Wonder if I should
>>>> set it aside in case it becomes a museum piece one day? ;)
>>>
>>> You might want to do that if those disappear from the market.
>>> You would be surprised at what collector's will pay for
>>> old, long gone items in good shape.
>>>
>> The Pink Palace museum in Memphis contains a replica of the first
>> self-serve US grocery store (Piggly Wiggly). It has contains shelves
>> full of items from the early 20th century in pristine condition. It's
>> entirely possible Uncle Ben's rice with his iconic image could wind up
>> in a museum some day. :)
>
> But will the Eternally Offended accept that?
>

No druce, they'll hang out at the Parthenon in nashville.

Try it ... on a good day you could sniff 500 asses per hour.

[dsi1]

Sure, why not use a reminder of a horrible past to sell product? What's the harm? Let's change the pancake box mascot to Cousin Anne and sell product aimed at holocaust survivors and neo-nazis. Yeah, that might make some profits for the company. In the end, profits are the only thing that matter.

[cshenk]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew

> up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>
> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good

> breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> Aunt like her.

WOW. I didnt see that one coming. Lets all remove a product from 1890
because it pictured a black woman (who was paid for her work in a time
where that lasted during your life but not after).

[cshenk]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> > On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > Is nothing sacred?  After 130 years an old friend is gone.  We
> > > grew up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> > >
> > > Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she
> > > was just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to
> > > have a good breakfast.  IMO, the world would be a better place
> > > if everyone had an Aunt like her.
> >
> >

> > Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
> > offended.  Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
> > antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and
> > simply showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar
> > face. Companies will be afraid to use black people as their
> > spokespeople for fear that someone will feel a need to whine
> > about, and then they will complain that the are not represented in
> > commercial placement.
> >
>
> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them.
> It will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>
> Is Uncle Ben next?

Uncle Ben is already mentioned. Apparently mostly for the name
association. It's wierd. Black people calling out any product that
seems black affiliated?

[Sheldon Martin]

Breakfast will never be the same, every morning I looked forward to
nursing on Aunt Jemimas big brown bosoms, her long thick nipples were
delish.

[cshenk]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> > > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski

> > > wrote:
> > >> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> > >>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>>> Is nothing sacred?  After 130 years an old friend is gone.  We
> > grew up >>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> > > > > >
> > >>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me,
> > she was >>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you
> > to have a good >>>> breakfast.  IMO, the world would be a better
> > place if everyone had an >>>> Aunt like her.
> > > > >
> > > > >

> > >>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need
> > to be >>> offended.  Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have
> > that >>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago
> > and simply >>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a
> > familiar face. >>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as
> > their spokespeople for >>> fear that someone will feel a need to
> > whine about, and then they will >>> complain that the are not
> > represented in commercial placement.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in
> > them. It >> will be more racist if they replace her with a white
> > woman.
> > > >
> > >> Is Uncle Ben next?
> > >

> > > You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth
> > > too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is
> > > the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her
> > > name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be
> > > agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the
> > > bottle a little. In fact, that would be awesome!
> > >
> >
> > Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
> > farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are
> > honoring the guy, not disparaging him.
> >
> > Is there a real Uncle Ben?
> > According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower
> > known for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an
> > entrepreneur who had supplied rice to the armed forces in World War
> > II, chose the name Uncle Ben's as a means to expand his marketing
> > efforts to the general public.
>
> That's fine, if the idea of your mom being forced to work for slave
> wages cleaning up other people's houses and raising other people's
> kids appeals to you. It's great if you think putting a grinning
> picture of your mom or aunt on a box of product to sell to
> generations of people that called her "mammy" because economic and
> societal conditions forced her to raise them instead of raising you
> is a good thing.

Aunti and Uncle. These are terms of RESPECT and are irregardless of
race and ALWAYS WERE in the USA.

Don't even try to pretend Hawaii has no predjudice. Of the 2 places I
have lived, Hawaii and Texas topped the charts on that. Hawaii is 2%
black and most of that is military stationed there.

[cshenk]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew
> > up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> >
> > Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> > just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a
> > good breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone
> > had an Aunt like her.
>

> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
> mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
> concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can
> change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.

How twisted can you get?

[cshenk]

dsi1 wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:17:45 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

> > Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people to
> > complain that black people are under represented in public images.
> > In Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for breakfast
> > for little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.
>

> That would be true if you were down South too, but not too far South
> - Filipino or Mexican. When I was a kid, we had an old Japanese lady
> come down to watch us brats and do some house cleaning. She never
> made us nothing. I suppose that her main job was to make sure we
> didn't burn the house down.

What the hell do you know about the south? NOTHING.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Old Ben could grow rice better than anyone else. He should be
celebrated, not cast aside. Blacks should be proud of what he achieved.