Pan size for spatchcock turkey

[Dave]

Anyone with experience know what size of pan will be required for a
12-pound turkey? We have a large roaster (17"x13") and rack for it.
Big enough?

Dave

[Bruce]

On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:36:49 -0500, Dave <dbol...@protonmail.com>
wrote:

>Anyone with experience know what size of pan will be required for a
>12-pound turkey? We have a large roaster (17"x13") and rack for it.
>Big enough?

Since it's, no doubt, a tortured factory turkey, I'd suggest a coffin
instead of a pan.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:36:49 -0500, Dave <dbol...@protonmail.com>
wrote:

I don't think so, but maybe. It's going to be close. I was thinking
of spatch cocking a turkey of that size and only doing half. I guess
we'll both see. ;)
Janet US

[Cindy Hamilton]

It'll be close. Most of the images of spatchcocked turkey on the
Web show them on a standard 13x18 half sheet pan and the ends
of the drumsticks might hang off a bit. http://www.seriouseats.com
specifies a 12-14 pounder, so you're in the ballpark.

Cindy Hamilton

[penm...@aol.com]

On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:36:49 -0500, Dave <dbol...@protonmail.com>
wrote:
>

>Anyone with experience know what size of pan will be required for a
>12-pound turkey? We have a large roaster (17"x13") and rack for it.
>Big enough?

Should be more than adequate. I'll be using a 10" X 15" pan for an 11
pounder. What's important is that's it's a sturdy pan, not one of
those super silly flimsy aluminum disposables,,, I use a heavy
Farberware SS pan with an adjustable steel "V" rack. I have larger
roasting pans but they would take up too much oven space for roasting
a turkey, they are also deeper so are better suited for caseroles like
a giant lasagna... the larger the pan the poorer the oven can
circulate even heat. The turkey is placed on the bottom rack, the
very top rack is for a foil covered shallow pan for roasting sweet
potatoes in their jackets,,, sweet potatoes ooze sugar, the foil makes
clean up easy. Once the turkey is shy an hour of being done it will
share it's shelf with a large pan of kasha varnishkas, all cooked the
day before but needs reheating from the fridge.
I never buy those flimsy disposable aluminum pans... a terrible
accident waiting to happen... in fact I don't call that an accident, I
say it's an on-purpose disaster... when sturdy roasting pans are on
sale buy two, they nest for storage.
I know with absolute certainty that someone will forget so everyone
right now leave a big note on the kitchen counter to place your frozen
turkey in the fridge on the morning of the 23rd... even set an alarm
the night prior.

[Dave]

Love your insight and plans! Thanks for the info. I also have a HD
roaster with handles and a HD rack. I did a spatchcocked chicken two
weeks ago (4.5 pounds) and it was great. Turkey's are a little more
difficult to cut, handle, etc. But, I can't wait to dig into a really
great turkey.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Dave,

[penm...@aol.com]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:13:33 -0700, U.S. Janet B. <J...@nospam.com>
wrote:

I didn't notice spatchcock in the subject, I only read the body of the
post and it doesn't mention spatchcock. Personally I'd never consider
spatchcocking large poultry, It's a technique meant for small poultry
like 3 pouund chickens. Spatchcocking a turkey will result in several
varying thicknesses needing different cooking times. I typically buy
roasting chickens, of 7-8 pounds and would never consider
spatchcocking, I would roast them whole or disjoint into quarters,
sixths, or usually eighths... then I can easily check each part for
doneness. The only reason I roast my Thanksgiving turkey whole is it
makes for a more traditional service... tradition is the only reason I
roast a turkey for Thanksgiving. The more I think about it the more
I think spatchcocking a turkey is something for the mentally ill or
someone who has never cooked anything more than a turkey TV dinner.
I don't much like turkey so I never buy it other than for Thanksgiving
dinner. Even aboard ship most didn't like turkey, however it was
prepared for tradition. If in port I'd feed over a thousand lots of
guests... all 20 large ovens were filled with 25 lb turkeys and 25 lb
fresh hams... the hams were devoured twice as fast. The cooking was
easy, the difficult part was just me doing all the carving at super
speed, but way back then I could, I'm sure I can no longer. We only
had three cooks on board and only one on duty to prepare and serve the
holiday meals and I always volunteered. I did all the baking and
desserts as well. Anyone here think they can stay awake all night to
bake pies, bread, cakes cookies, and make ice cream to feed a
thousand+ and then first thing in the morning begin on the turkeys,
hams, and all the sides? And I boned and tied about 30 whole hams
before I cooked them... I bet I can still bone and tie a ham in under
2 minutes. Had to be boned or no way I could carve quick enough.
Thinking back I don't know how I did it. Well no way I saved the
bones for stock as I would now, bones all flung out my porthole into
the sea. Since I didn't personally pay for the hams I didn't have to
carefully trim, but still I did as it was my nature then as it is now
not to waste food. Sometimes I still wake in the middle of the night
thinking of how many thousands of gallons of beautiful stock I could
have made from what I deep sixed... we weren't very careful about
trimming veggies either. Every day for many years the US Navy deep
sixes more food than can feed a dozen third world nations... but what
is one to do with perishables with no storage space... war ships have
pitifully little storage space. The definition of a war ship is a
platform for guns and ammo.

[col...@gmail.com]

My cousin said a pressure cooked turkey was very good.

[dsi1]

On Thursday, November 21, 2019 at 11:03:51 AM UTC-10, col...@gmail.com wrote:
> My cousin said a pressure cooked turkey was very good.

My wife asked me if I wanted to cook a turkey by burying it underground with some hot rocks. As it goes, that's one of the worst thing you can do to a turkey. The turkey collapses into a heap of bones and meat and has a peculiar smokey taste. I am open to cooking a pork shoulder underground. It's just awesome!

[Hank Rogers]

Popeye, why did they throw yoose out of the Navy? Did you get caught
eating a pineapple?

You only served a few years in the galley of a small tin can over 50
years ago, during peacetime, but it still consumes your soul (if you
have one).

Too bad yoose so damn old. Nowadays, the navy lets homosexuals like
you enlist AND reenlist. It's a bad break in timing. In today's
world, you could have be Admiral Popeye Katz on the joint chiefs.

[Casa de Masa]

dsi1 has brought this to us :

My wife and I were married on Maui at the Intercontinental hotel(sp)
right on the beach..it was killer..at any rate we loved the pig cooked
in the ground, and of course the atmosphere.

Luau's are kick ass, imo. (but not with turkeys, eh?)

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:8948c1d7-1494-478e...@googlegroups.com...

===

Do you cook a lot like that?

[dsi1]

They can be fun but they should expand the usual fare a bit - maybe include some Chinese food. :)

On Fridays, a lot of plate lunch places on this rock will serve a Hawaiian luau plate that includes a lau lau, poi, lomi lomi salmon, haupia, kalua pig, and chicken long rice. I haven't got one of those in a while but my guess is somewhere on this island, someone is serving the ultimate Hawaiian luau plate. Perhaps I should have gotten one today.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/4d/26/de4d26466f8ebfadc6a3add8861abc13.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0wfbOfc-Sg

[dsi1]

I've never cooked that way. Very few people do these days. I am going to try to reserve some space to have a pork butt cooked in an imu. Cooking the food with banana leaves and ti leaves gives the imu cooked food a unique taste. One of these days, I'll cook a pork butt in the oven or slow cooker with banana and ti leaves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTmntLCkzO4

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:a48042ca-8f22-468c...@googlegroups.com...

On Fridays, a lot of plate lunch places on this rock will serve a Hawaiian
luau plate that includes a lau lau, poi, lomi lomi salmon, haupia, kalua
pig, and chicken long rice. I haven't got one of those in a while but my
guess is somewhere on this island, someone is serving the ultimate Hawaiian
luau plate. Perhaps I should have gotten one today.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/4d/26/de4d26466f8ebfadc6a3add8861abc13.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0wfbOfc-Sg

====

Do you eat the taro leaves, or are they just part of the cooking
process?

I'd love to try that but I can't ever see me seeing a taro leaf let
alone using one:))

[dsi1]

The taro leaves are eminently edible - after you cook it. You wouldn't eat it without cooking it thoroughly first. You need to break down the shard-like calcium oxalate crystals otherwise, it's irritating to your mouth and throat. I have made laulau in a slow cooker. You really have to make sure it's cooked at a high enough temperature and long enough. The 4 hours that the lady was talking about seems short. I'd cook it 6 to 8 hours. OTOH, they must be using a higher heat than I do.

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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====

I doubt I would ever get the chance but I love to hear about them.
Who knows ... :)))

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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I would love to be able to get some of those leaves to try it:))

[Mike_Duffy]

On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 08:35:00 -0000, Ophelia wrote:

> [...] one of the worst thing you can do to a turkey.

Apparently, one should also not drop them from airplanes.

[Ophelia]

"Mike_Duffy" wrote in message
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On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 08:35:00 -0000, Ophelia wrote:

> [...] one of the worst thing you can do to a turkey.

Apparently, one should also not drop them from airplanes.

===

I didn't actually write that I don't disagree:)

[A Moose in Love]

LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p00nBSNIPwg

[Terry Coombs]

  More likely a light cruiser , tin cans only carried around 350 people
including officers . I served on both ... and he's lyin' about only 3
cooks , hell even a 'can had 5 or 6 including the officers serving staff
. And one cook (on the 'can) was designated night cook , prepped
mid-rats and baked all the breads and dessert goodies . That's where I
learned the basics of bread making .

--
Snag
Yes , I'm old
and crochety - and armed .
Get outta my woods !

[Leo]

On 2019 Nov 22, , Mike_Duffy wrote
(in article<1q1j6z7f6jm8p.1sfq0z5msh57c$.d...@40tude.net>):

> On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 08:35:00 -0000, Ophelia wrote:
>
> > [...] one of the worst thing you can do to a turkey.
>
> Apparently, one should also not drop them from airplanes.

“As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.”

-- Arthur Carlson RIP

leo

[penm...@aol.com]

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 Leo wrote:
>On 2019 Nov 22, , Mike_Duffy wrote:

>> On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> > [...] one of the worst thing you can do to a turkey.
>>
>> Apparently, one should also not drop them from airplanes.
>
>“As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.”

Actually wild turkeys can fly but only short distances... each evening
at dusk they fly straight up about 20' to lower tree branches where
they spend the night... each morning at dawn they fly down. They like
to spend nights in the large Norway spruce trees that line my forest
path. The turkeys one typically buys from markets can't fly, they are
bred to have enormaus Hollywood breasts

Oh, those with frozen turkeys NOW is the time to take them from the
freezer and put them in the fridge to defrost.

[Bruce]

Oh, you must have that party coming up where you celebrate the new
country by killing its native bird.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-11-24 10:54 a.m., penm...@aol.com wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 Leo wrote:

>> “As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.”
>
> Actually wild turkeys can fly but only short distances... each evening
> at dusk they fly straight up about 20' to lower tree branches where
> they spend the night... each morning at dawn they fly down.

True. They sure don't migrate, but they do sometimes take wing, and not
just when something is chasing them or at bed time. When I was working I
had two near misses within a week. The first one was while driving a car
and cresting a hill. The turkey took off from the side of a steep rise
next to the road, went up a little and then dropped a bit. If I had not
veered it would have struck my windshield. The next one, about a week
later, I was driving a van on a flat stretch of road. He popped up out
of the ditch taking off at about a 60 degree angle and I just missed him.

They like
> to spend nights in the large Norway spruce trees that line my forest
> path. The turkeys one typically buys from markets can't fly, they are
> bred to have enormaus Hollywood breasts

One time I was walking the dogs in the woods and they spooked a flock of
turkeys. The birds took off in different directions. One landed in the
tree I was standing beside.

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 10:54:33 -0500, penm...@aol.com wrote:

wild turkeys are becoming urbanized. There are many stories in the
news about territorial turkeys taking on the mailman, homeowners,
dogs, etc.. Apparently they can be quite fierce if they challenge
you.
Janet US

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> Oh, you must have that party coming up where you celebrate the new
> country by killing its native bird.

Killing a turkey is bad. Killing a fish is fine. Right?

[Bruce]

Not killing fish either is even better. I may become a vegetarian. Or
a vegan, so y'all will hate me even more because I'm morally superior
:) But why do we always go in circles? Do you want to discuss the
feral dogs again, by any chance?

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:24:03 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >Bruce wrote:
> >> Oh, you must have that party coming up where you celebrate the new
> >> country by killing its native bird.
> >
> >Killing a turkey is bad. Killing a fish is fine. Right?
>
> Not killing fish either is even better. I may become a vegetarian. Or
> a vegan, so y'all will hate me even more because I'm morally superior
> :)

Bruce, if you go vegetarian or vegan so as not to kill any
animals, I will respect your beliefs and say no more.
That's a noble cause. My only problem with you is your
constantly preaching about only certain animals but not all.
That just labels you as a hypocrite, imo.

> But why do we always go in circles? Do you want to
> discuss the feral dogs again, by any chance?

Only if you care to. I dropped it.
You know my opinion. If you kill it, eat it.
Don't ever kill a living creature just because it annoys you.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-11-27 11:09 a.m., Gary wrote:

> Only if you care to. I dropped it.
> You know my opinion. If you kill it, eat it.
> Don't ever kill a living creature just because it annoys you.
>

I guess you don't have squirrels digging up your flower bulbs.

[Gary]

Dave Smith wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> > You know my opinion. If you kill it, eat it.
> > Don't ever kill a living creature just because it annoys you.
> >
>
> I guess you don't have squirrels digging up your flower bulbs.

I DO have annoying squirrels that come to my back porch every
day looking at my plants. Annoying in the spring when I plant
something but they just do what squirrels do.

I sometimes yell at them. Other times I give them food and
water in bad weather times. We get along fine. I have no
urge to kill one but if I did, I would certainly eat it.
Squirrel meat is quite tasty.

[Dave Smith]

On 2019-11-27 12:12 p.m., Gary wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>> I guess you don't have squirrels digging up your flower bulbs.
>
> I DO have annoying squirrels that come to my back porch every
> day looking at my plants. Annoying in the spring when I plant
> something but they just do what squirrels do.
>
> I sometimes yell at them. Other times I give them food and
> water in bad weather times. We get along fine. I have no
> urge to kill one but if I did, I would certainly eat it.
> Squirrel meat is quite tasty.
>

That's what Uncle Jed says.
;-)

[Casa de Masa]

Dave Smith wrote :

Or Raccoons tearing up your boat or motorhome.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5DDEAE60...@att.net...

===

Back in the day, D. cooked one over an open fire. He said it tasted like
bacon:))

[dsi1]

What I gots to know is: are gopher guts are greasy and grimy?

[Bruce]

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:09:36 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:24:03 -0500, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Bruce wrote:
>> >> Oh, you must have that party coming up where you celebrate the new
>> >> country by killing its native bird.
>> >
>> >Killing a turkey is bad. Killing a fish is fine. Right?
>>
>> Not killing fish either is even better. I may become a vegetarian. Or
>> a vegan, so y'all will hate me even more because I'm morally superior
>> :)
>
>Bruce, if you go vegetarian or vegan so as not to kill any
>animals, I will respect your beliefs and say no more.
>That's a noble cause. My only problem with you is your
>constantly preaching about only certain animals but not all.
>That just labels you as a hypocrite, imo.

No, it means I'm halfway there. You haven't even started.

>> But why do we always go in circles? Do you want to
>> discuss the feral dogs again, by any chance?
>
>Only if you care to. I dropped it.
>You know my opinion. If you kill it, eat it.
>Don't ever kill a living creature just because it annoys you.

Just imagine: what if in 50 years there would be no more kangaroos,
wombats, koalas, etc in Australia. Just feral dogs. Should we prevent
that, knowing that we introduced those dogs?

[Bruce]

People complain about the bats and the bush turkeys here. But we moved
into their territory, not the other way around. Work around them.

[Casa de Masa]

After serious thinking Bruce wrote :

Yeah, I catch them in a live box trap and then
pop them behind the ear with a .22 pistol.

It's illegal to transfer them to another location.

[dsi1]

We moved into my parent's home back in the early 60's. It was next to a large wetland. The area was teaming with cane toads, African snails, and mosquitoes. They are mostly gone now. Yay - we won!

https://hanahou.com/20.1/around-the-great-water

[Bruce]

If you ever feel nostalgic, I'll have a few cane toads for you.

[dsi1]

The cane toads were a traumatic element of life when we moved in. Our road was completely covered with dead, squished, toads curling up and rotting in the hot Hawaiian sun. Nobody could possibly imagine what we had to endure to live there in the early days.

Last night I saw a small cane toad in our parking lot. That's about all that's left of those critters. Tomorrow, I shall give thanks for no toads hopping all over the roads. If I was king, I'd ditch God, Pilgrims, and Indians from Thanksgiving and make it all about the wiping out of cane toads.

[Bruce]

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:08:30 -0800 (PST), dsi1

Spoken like an Australian. Killing cane toads is the national sport
here.

[penm...@aol.com]

Very simple solution., feed ferral cats. We must feed a half dozen
feral cats, we haven't seen a sqirrel in years.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:23:14 -0500, Casa de Masa <c...@m.invalid> wrote:

You fucking imbecile... racoons break in only because shit for brains
like you leave food in your boat and motorhome. I can gasurantee that
racoons ain't interested in boating or camping, they are into those
Three Musketeers bars youse POS imbeciles leave.

[Dave Smith]

Friends of ours had a summer cottage on Georgian Bay and used to remove
all food at the end of the season. One year they went up to open it up
in the spring and a found that a family of raccoons had moved in for the
winter and trashed the place.... even without there being any food in
it. Maybe they trashed it because they were pissed off that there was
no food.

[IP a Lot]

penm...@aol.com used his keyboard to write :

Hey Shelly, I don't have to worry about
those huge rats that some call raccoons
anymore, they have to worry about me now.

Btw..lots of those vermin have rabies so I use
full length rubber gloves to remove them
from the box trap. (the .22 ammo is dirt cheap)

I even shallow bury them in the woods
behind my barn.

The fox and other raccoons usually find
them pretty quick and chow down
anyway. (i could just chuck the carcass)

And BTW, I'm really good at varmint proofing
and winterizing my toys by now, obvioulsy, so
save it.

Your friend.
(poster formerly posting as Casa)

[U.S. Janet B.]

At my sister's cabin in northern Wisconsin, the raccoons broke onto
the sun porch. They couldn't get into the cabin, but they sure
enjoyed gnawing at the armrests of the old wooden rockers. We figure
it was the perspiration from generations of people sitting in those
chairs that attracted them.
Janet US

[Bruce]

Unless you catch them and have them neutered, you're contributing to a
problem.

[Hank Rogers]

Not a chance! Popeye hasn't even been able to get himself neutered
yet, despite all the problems his genitals cause for him.

[penm...@aol.com]

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 10:09:47 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>

They've all been trapped and brought to the Vet. One of the places we
regularly contribute to, they do good work. All our houae cats are
rescues under various circumstances.
http://animalkindny.org/

[Bruce]

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 20:32:13 -0500, penm...@aol.com wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 10:09:47 +1100, Bruce <br...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:55:57 -0500, penm...@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:54:18 -0500, Dave Smith
>>><adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2019-11-27 11:09 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only if you care to. I dropped it.
>>>>> You know my opinion. If you kill it, eat it.
>>>>> Don't ever kill a living creature just because it annoys you.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I guess you don't have squirrels digging up your flower bulbs.
>>>
>>>Very simple solution., feed ferral cats. We must feed a half dozen
>>>feral cats, we haven't seen a sqirrel in years.
>>
>>Unless you catch them and have them neutered, you're contributing to a
>>problem.
>
>They've all been trapped and brought to the Vet.

That's great.

[IP]

It happens that Bruce formulated :

It's probably bullshit too. Cats fuck
like mice.

[Bruce]

It could well be bullshit, but I have nothing to go by except what he
says.

[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:

>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > Squirrel meat is quite tasty.
>
> ===
>
> Back in the day, D. cooked one over an open fire. He said it tasted like
> bacon:))

Really!? I don't remember that but if true maybe I'll start
taking out my porch squirrels. ;)

I only had squirrel (on it's own) once long ago.
She made it as squirrel with onions and gravy.
So darn delicious.

Much more flavor than rabbit, if I remember both correctly.
It's been 50 years now since I ate either.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5DDFFB6E...@att.net...

====

D. here:

Hi Gary,

As with many things, I think the flavour of squirrel is modified by
what they have been eating, but also how they are cooked. Done on a spit
over an open fire burning birch logs, there was a touch of smoking as well
as roasting, so that might have given the taste of bacon. Done in a stew
with rabbit and wild greens, mine still had a hint of pork but, yes,
definitely more flavoured that the rabbit. Done with pheasant and wild
garlic, the pheasant took over, but then that was a younger squirrel too,
which might have had less of its own flavour. Whichever way, they are still
good eating :-)

[Bruce]

<https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/liggend/public/content/images/2019/09/11/Eekhoorn%20foto%20Dick%20van%20Duijn.jpg>

[Ophelia]

"Bruce" wrote in message news:oi50ueptba6v39gi5...@4ax.com...

==

Awwwwwww:))

[U.S. Janet B.]

On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:36:49 -0500, Dave <dbol...@protonmail.com>
wrote:

>Anyone with experience know what size of pan will be required for a
>12-pound turkey? We have a large roaster (17"x13") and rack for it.
>Big enough?
>
>Dave

I am doing the spatchcocked turkey vicariously. Daughter has a 24#
bird (a neighbor grew them and selected her best bird for daughter,
much larger than she had planned)
The final decision was the halve the turkey. Daughter and family are
dining with friends. The man friend is taking half of the turkey and
smoking it, daughter is roasting the half turkey propped up on some
chunks of onion/celery/carrot etc. When almost done she is going to
lift the turkey out, remove the veggies and broth, put the dressing in
the bottom of the pan and top with turkey to finish. Golly, I hope
this turns out. My thumbprint is pretty heavy on this process :(
Janet US

[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:

>
> "Gary" wrote:
> I only had squirrel (on it's own) once long ago.
> She made it as squirrel with onions and gravy.
> So darn delicious.
> Much more flavor than rabbit, if I remember both correctly.
> It's been 50 years now since I ate either.
>
> ====
>
> D. here:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> As with many things, I think the flavour of squirrel is modified by
> what they have been eating, but also how they are cooked. Done on a spit
> over an open fire burning birch logs, there was a touch of smoking as well
> as roasting, so that might have given the taste of bacon. Done in a stew
> with rabbit and wild greens, mine still had a hint of pork but, yes,
> definitely more flavoured that the rabbit. Done with pheasant and wild
> garlic, the pheasant took over, but then that was a younger squirrel too,
> which might have had less of its own flavour. Whichever way, they are still
> good eating :-)

Thanks to D. for stepping in here. Tell him I said so, Ophy.

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:

>
> Gary wrote:
> >I only had squirrel (on it's own) once long ago.
> >She made it as squirrel with onions and gravy.
> >So darn delicious.
> >Much more flavor than rabbit, if I remember both correctly.
> >It's been 50 years now since I ate either.
>
> <https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/styles/liggend/public/content/images/2019/09/11/Eekhoorn%20foto%20Dick%20van%20Duijn.jpg>

You want to play the cute baby pictures game? Those will melt
anyone's heart no matter what species of animal.

Anyway, we were talking about eating squirrels. Plenty of
cute pictures of them but you posted a pic of a baby
prairie dog. All farmers kill them as they destroy crops.

Why don't you do a picture search for:
"Australia wild dog babies"
See a litter of cute pups in a burrow, totally dependent
on MOM and waiting for her to come home with some food.
But you want someone to kill MOM and let those little
ones starve to death.

It works both ways.

There's no easy answer if we care about killing animals.
You shouldn't play DOG and pick and choose the ones
that should live or die.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5DE1349B...@att.net...

===

He says it was a pleasure:) He used to do a lot of bush craft and
survival stuff including cooking and eating foraged foods.

He has written books on the subject and is well known in those circles. No,
I won't be advertising them here:)

[Bruce]

What a rant, just because I posted a link to a nice picture.

By the way, the picture was taken in Austria. They don't have prairie
dogs there.

[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:

>
> "Gary" wrote:
> Thanks to D. for stepping in here. Tell him I said so, Ophy.
>
> ===
> He says it was a pleasure:) He used to do a lot of bush craft and
> survival stuff including cooking and eating foraged foods.

ME TOO!

> He has written books on the subject and is well known in those circles. No,
> I won't be advertising them here:)

Ok...you mentioned that a few years ago and I asked you to email
me about it. I would be interested in checking out a book on that
subject. It does interest me.

But back then you said your email to me bounced (and I never saw
it). Wish you would try again with the email. I'd like to read
one.

My address here is correct for email.

[Janet]

In article <5DE27F36...@att.net>, g.ma...@att.net says...

So did she email you?

Janet UK

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5DE27F36...@att.net...

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I'll give it a try:))

[Ophelia]

I tried but got this message:

'A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

g.ma...@att.net'



"Ophelia" wrote in message news:h4fh36...@mid.individual.net...

[Gary]

Ophelia wrote:
>
> I tried but got this message:
>
> 'A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
>
> g.ma...@att.net'

Did you add that slash at the end? That might have messed it up.
other than that, should work fine.

If you care to post your address (you have in the past), I'll
email you and see if that works.

No reason why you can't email me. Don't know the problem.

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5DE2A7C0...@att.net...

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I didn't type it in. I just used the address at the top of your post!

Are you saying it should be different?

[Gary]

My address is: g.ma...@att.net
NOT
g.ma...@att.net'

That slash added would make a difference

[Ophelia]

"Gary" wrote in message news:5DE3C1F5...@att.net...

==

Ok I was looking for a slash and didn't see one. I suspect you mean the
'inverted comma' ????

Ok will try it:))

[Bruce]

This is a slash:

/

[dsi1]

That would be an apostrophe - just don't confuse it with a Hawaiian okina.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4MVPA1xCY0