Meal Master
Robgot
Hi,
I'm new. What is MealMaster? and how can I get it?
Thanks.
Helen Peagram
MEAL-MASTER v8.04 - Sophisticated, easy to
use recipe manager! Excellent search,
shopping list, index, resize, and print
features. Supports English and Metric
measures, including automatic conversion, and
decimal or common fractions. Very flexible!
Unequaled export/import support, includes
conversion program for other popular recipe
formats. Dos program; also runs great in a
Window under Windows, Win95/NT, or DesqView!
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MEAL-MASTER README! File --- Version 8.04
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This file contains important information to help you get the most from
Meal-Master. Please review this information before using the program.
If you have already registered Meal-Master, then THANK YOU! If not, we
hope you will enjoy evaluating the program and find it worth
registration.
HOW TO REGISTER MEAL-MASTER, AND WHAT YOU GET
---------------------------------------------
When registering Meal-Master, you will receive the latest program
version, several additional utility programs, and a professionally
typeset and bound 120+ page User's Manual with full descriptions and
examples of all Meal-Master features, including a complete index. You
will also receive a personal serial number for the program, which will
record your registration, allow access to the additional Registered
User features, extend the program's database capacity, eliminate the
request for registration from the title screen, and eliminate the
closing screen and associated delay countdown.
You can register Meal-Master any of the following ways:
Select the "R-Registration" option from Meal-Master's main menu,
then "O-Order form". Fill in the blanks, use your Print Screen
key (or Shift-PrintScreen if you are running within Windows) to
print the filled-in form. Mail it along with check, money order,
or credit card information to Episoft Systems at the address shown
on the program's initial title screen.
Print (or use your word processor to edit) the file ORDER.TXT,
fill in the blanks, and mail it to Episoft.
Credit card orders can now be placed on-line with our secure World
Wide Web site! Look for additional information on our web page:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/s_welliver.
If you have a Compuserve account, use Compuserve's "GO SWREG"
service to register electronically (SWREG #11237).
A NOTE ABOUT SHAREWARE
----------------------
Meal-Master is distributed as "Shareware." Shareware is not free
software. It is a distribution concept that allows a "try before you
buy" evaluation period of the software.
Any fee you may have paid to a shareware distribution service was for
their service and materials only, and does not provide any compensation
to the author. After evaluation, you are legally required to either
register the software you have with the author or discontinue using it.
If you continue using the software then registration is not optional;
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it is payment for the software you have already received on a "try
before you buy" basis.
THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING SHAREWARE!
INSTALLATION - REGISTERED VERSION
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The Registered Master disk includes a program named "INSTALL". Simply
place the disk in your floppy drive, and type "A:INSTALL" (or
"B:INSTALL" if using drive B:) at the DOS prompt and follow the on-
screen prompts to install the program. All existing recipe files will
be preserved for use with the new software.
INSTALLATION - EVALUATION VERSION
---------------------------------
The evaluation version as prepared by Episoft is a single, self-
extracting archive file, "MM803.EXE". Simply type "MM803" at the DOS
prompt and follow the on-screen instructions. A different procedure
may be necessary if you received your copy from a shareware
distributor, time share service, or BBS system rather than Episoft.
ENTERING YOUR REGISTRATION NUMBER
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When registering Meal-Master, you receive a personal serial number
which must be entered into the program to activate its registered user
features. To enter your serial number, start on Meal-Master's main
menu and select "R Registration Menu". Then select "E Enter
Registration Number", and enter your name and serial number EXACTLY as
provided on the Registration Sticker in your Registered User's Package.
The capitalization, spacing, and symbols must all be entered EXACTLY as
shown on your Registration Sticker.
Your registration information is recorded in a file named "MMREG.MMF".
If you distribute copies of Meal-Master to other users, be sure NOT to
include this file! Your registration information is for your personal
use only! If you pass on a copy of Meal-Master for someone else to
evaluate, be sure NOT to include your MMREG.MMF file.
Record the information from your Registration Sticker in a safe place,
like inside the cover of your User's Manual. Should you wish to
reinstall Meal-Master on a new machine, or if your program should ever
need to be reloaded from the master disk, you will need this
information to again enter your registration information. (However,
should you lose your registration number, Episoft can replace it.)
THE SAMPLE DATABASE
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If you are using Meal-Master for the first time, and want to try it out
without having to type in recipes, you can use the sample database
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provided. From the Main menu, select "U Utilities" then "I Import" and
specify "SAMPLE.TXT" for the file name. On the next menu, select "M
Mode: Automatic" then "S Start Importing". The sample database of 35
recipes will be loaded into the program, and you can immediately begin
trying the search, shopping list, index, and other features of Meal-
Master.
CAUTIONS/COMMON PROBLEMS
------------------------
If you use the EMM386.SYS memory manager with its NOEMS option, and run
Meal-Master under Microsoft Windows, and specify the "/EMS" switch when
starting MM.EXE, then you may receive a "violated system integrity"
message. There are three ways to correct this problem: 1) Do not
specify the /EMS switch when starting Meal-Master, OR 2) Remove the
NOEMS option from the EMM386.SYS line in your CONFIG.SYS file, OR 3)
Create a PIF file for MM and specify zero for the "EMS Limit" and "XMS
Limit" entries.
Some monochrome displays driven by color adapter circuitry
(particularly prevalent on laptop machines) often do not provide
sufficient gray scale contrast to differentiate between the text colors
used by the unregistered version of Meal-Master. If you encounter this
problem with the unregistered version, try using the DOS command "Mode
BW80" before running Meal-Master (the MODE command is found in the DOS
directory). Registered users can use the MMCOLOR program to set the
specific color combinations that work best on their machine.
You must have the file CONFIG.SYS in the root directory of your boot
disk, and it must contain the statement FILES=xx, where xx is a number
that is at least 30 (at least 50 if you are using Windows, Desqview, or
another environment that allows multiple applications running at once).
If this file is missing, does not contain the FILES= statement, or
specifies a value less than recommended, Meal-Master may not perform
all functions.
The PARM.MMF and CATFILE.MMF files created by some very old versions of
Meal-Master are occasionally incompatible with a newer version. If you
receive a "runtime error" when trying to start MM, try deleting these
files and then restarting the program. This will initialize new files
that are compatible with the current version.
Sight-impaired users with speech-synthesis equipment should start MM
with the "/C", "/T", and /NOCLOCK switches. The "/C" switch will route
screen output through BIOS services, where speech synthesis software
can intercept them. The "/T" switch (or "D" option on the
Maintenance/Setup menu) will cause unit of measure "t" (teaspoon) to be
displayed as "ts", and "T" (tablespoon) to be displayed as "tb". This
eliminates the ambiguity that exists when using "T" and "t" with a
speech synthesis device. Lastly, the /NOCLOCK switch inhibits
continuous, second-by-second updating of the clock on the main menu.
Instead, the clock is only updated when returning to the menu from a
sub-menu, or when pressing a key (like space bar) on the main menu.
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FILES PROVIDED TO ALL USERS
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These files are distributed to users of both the Evaluation version and
the Registered version of Meal-Master.
MMQUICK.DOC For unregistered users, the MMQUICK.DOC file contains a
short manual with enough information to get you started
trying out Meal-Master. Registered Users do not need to
review this file, as this information is surpassed by the
120+ page printed user's manual.
IMPORTF.DOC Provides a specification of how a file must be formatted to
Import into Meal-Master.
MM.EXE The main Meal-Master program file.
README! The file you are now reading.
FILE_ID.DIZ A short description file used when posting Meal-Master on
electronic bulletin board systems for distribution.
CONVERT.EXE Utility program to convert CompuChef (tm), Micro Cookbook
(tm), Micro Kitchen Companion (tm), Chef's Accountant, and
MasterCook (tm) files for Import into Meal-Master.
(CompuChef is a registered trademark of Hillstepper
Software, Micro Cookbook is a reg. trademark of Virtual
Combinatics, Micro Kitchen Companion is a registered
trademark of Craftsbury Software, Inc., and MasterCook is a
registered trademark of Arion Software, Inc.)
SAMPLE.TXT Sample Meal-Master Database, in Meal-Master Export format.
(See instructions above for installation)
*.MMP Assorted printer driver files.
FILES PROVIDED TO REGISTERED USERS ONLY
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The following files are "bonus" programs for Registered Users only.
They will not execute without a personal registration code provided by
Episoft to Registered Users, so are not distributed to unregistered
users.
CHGCAT.EXE Utility program to manipulate category names in the
database. This program will scan all recipes, collecting
and organizing all category names. Each unique category is
listed, along with information about how many recipes
contain that category and whether it is on your personal
category table or not. A new category name can be
specified for any of the existing categories, and the
update will be applied throughout the database. Also
identifies "empty" categories and allows easier maintenance
of the "valid category table" than is possible from within
the main Meal-Master program.
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MMSTAT.EXE Utility program to analyze database usage. This program
reports statistics about how many recipes are in the
database, maximums and averages of ingredient and direction
usage per recipe, and remaining capacity based on current
averages and available disk space.
MMCOLOR.EXE Utility program to set custom colors. Meal-Master allows
background and foreground colors to be selected for Normal,
Medium Intensity, High Intensity, and reverse video.
TITLES.EXE Utility program to mass update the format of recipe titles
throughout the database. Especially when importing recipes
from multiple sources, some titles will be in all capital
letters, some in all lower case letters, and some in a
mixture. This utility lets you pick the way you want your
titles to be stored, and updates the entire database using
that style.
MMM.EXE Menu "shell" program. This program provides an integrated
menu from which the Meal-Master main program and all the
utility programs can be accessed with a single keystroke,
rather than exiting and starting each program from the DOS
prompt.
DIRECTORY OF THE REGISTERED MASTER DISK
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The registered master disk contains an installation program, two
archive files containing all the Meal-Master files, and a small utility
used by the installation program. Each file is described below.
INSTALL.EXE Meal-Master installation program. Place the master disk in
drive "A:" and type "A:Install" (or "B:Install" if using
your B: drive) at the DOS prompt to start installation.
MMDC.UTL Decompression utility used by the INSTALL program.
MM8P.ZIP Archive containing "MM.EXE", "README!", and assorted
printer driver files.
MM8U.ZIP Archive containing Meal-Master utility, documentation, and
sample database files.
Note: The two ZIP files will be automatically expanded by
the INSTALL program, or you may expand them manually if you
have a utility program for ZIP format files.
VERSION 8 RELEASE HISTORY
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8.04 Maintenance Release.
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Fix: After certain combinations of operations, a low memory
condition could be created which sometimes caused a lockup
or even loss of servings information from recipes being
imported. This has been corrected.
New: Updated registration forms to accommodate credit card
orders.
New: Added support to CONVERT program for MasterCook format
recipes with "Key Home Gourmet" title.
Fix: Under very low memory conditions, Import could freeze if the
database had recipes flagged for deletion. This has been
corrected.
Fix: Version 8.03 added the ability to view the category and unit
tables from within the import editor, but the menu text
showed the incorrect command letter. The menu text has been
fixed.
Fix: Category names with trailing numbers or special characters
would sometimes have those numbers or special characters
truncated during import. This has been corrected.
8.03 Maintenance Release. Provides various bug fixes and minor
enhancements as follows:
New: The first character of the "yield unit" field is now
automatically capitalized.
New: A "/NOCLOCK" command line switch has been added. When used,
this will prevent the main menu clock from being constantly
updated, which can cause problems with the speech synthesis
programs typically used by customers with impaired vision.
New: A "/?" command line switch has been added. When used, this
will display a list of all available command line switches.
New: Searching for a category of "none" (without the quote marks)
will now find recipes which have no categories.
New: Searching for an ingredient of "none" (without the quote
marks) will now find recipes which have no ingredient lines.
New: Searching for a direction of "none" (without the quote
marks) will now find recipes which have no direction lines.
New: Importing of ingredient lines has been enhanced. Previous
versions required that the quantity, unit of measure, and
name fields of an ingredient be in specific columns. MM
will now attempt to automatically align the columns. In
addition, the program works harder to determine exactly
where the ingredients section ends and the directions
section begins, thus eliminating most of the "ingredient
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after direction" errors caused by direction lines containing
numbers and spacing similar to an ingredient line.
New: Support has been added to the Convert utility for conversion
of recipes in Chef's Accountant format.
New: During Import, the Import screen now includes a "percent
complete" indicator to show how much of the import file has
been processed.
New: The CHGCAT utility can now add and delete categories from
the "Valid Category Table" by using the "Alt-T" (Table)
command. Previously, this table could only be maintained
from within the main Meal-Master program.
New: The CHGCAT utility now includes "empty" categories from the
valid category table. Previously, categories on the table
but not found on any recipe were not displayed in CHGCAT.
New: Recipes which do not contain at least one body line (i.e.,
either an ingredient or directions line) are now identified
as an error during import. In other words, a recipe must
have at least one valid ingredient line OR at least one
valid direction line.
New: The Rebuild function can now continue under most corrupted
file conditions. If parts of a recipe cannot be retrieved
because of damaged files, the program still attempts to
recover any undamaged portions. An error message providing
the number of errors and an explanation of how to locate the
problem recipes is displayed at the end of the Rebuild
process.
New: The Search and List functions can now continue under most
corrupted file conditions. When errors are encountered, an
attention beep is issued, and the words "Disk Error" are
displayed in place of ingredient or directions information
which cannot be retrieved.
New: The "Find Flagged" and "Undefined Category" searches can now
be interrupted, then continued or exited, by pressing any
key during the search. Previously these functions continued
to the end of the database and could not be stopped.
New: The Install program now automatically lists the "readme!"
file at the end of the installation process. Also, for
users of 360k disk drives, the Install program can now
automatically handle multiple source diskettes.
New: In the CHGCAT program, pressing the Delete key in an empty
"replace with" field will automatically emit the "Delete"
tag so that it does not have to be typed.
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New: Convert is now able to handle more mis-formatted MC-II
recipes, enabling it to continue processing where previous
versions simply stopped and advised of an error in the MC-II
file. Also, long ingredient names are now converted into
continuation lines rather than being truncated.
New: A new option on the Maintenance menu (L-LPTn) allows
selecting LPT1, LPT2, or LPT3 as the printer port. (Using
serial ports is still possible using the DOS Mode command to
redirect LPT output).
New: The default export format is now "MMMMM" rather than
"Normal" when Meal-Master is first installed. Most
import/export seems to be done in conjunction with
electronic transmission over on-line services and bulletin
board systems, and the MMMMM format is more compatible with
such systems. (This will not affect existing settings, only
new users installing the program for the first time.) Note
that since the MMMMM format shortens direction lines during
export, setting the "Reformat Directions" option to "YES" is
recommended when Importing so that the lines will be
returned to their original lengths.
New: A batch import feature has been added, which allows
operators of BBS and Internet list servers to import recipes
in an automated process. Batch import mode is selected by
starting MM with the /BI command line switch. Batch import
always imports from a file named Batch.imp, o the recipes to
be imported must be in this file prior to starting a batch
import. Type "MM /?" to see a full list of batch import
options and their default values. (Note that batch import
cannot be fully utilized in an unregistered copy of MM,
because keyboard intervention is required to clear the
initial title screen. In a registered copy, the /BI switch
will allow the program to start, import recipes, and then
exit, all without any keyboard input.)
New: When using Manual Import, pressing Alt-U or Alt-C while
editing the import file will display the table of valid
units or table of valid category names, respectively.
Fix: The Title and Category index would sometimes incorrectly
report the database as empty. This has been corrected.
Fix: When the database became full (65,534 recipes), the program
could not be started, and instead reported a "database full"
message and returned to DOS. This has been corrected in MM
itself and the registered utility programs.
Fix: Previous versions allowed leading blanks in recipe titles.
Leading blanks will now be automatically eliminated when
adding, revising, or importing recipes.
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Fix: Import sometimes exited to DOS with an error while
processing large (about 3,000 recipes) import files. This
has been corrected.
Fix: When searching for ingredients or directions, a recipe with
exactly 100 ingredients or exactly 100 directions could
cause a lockup or exit to DOS. This has been corrected.
Fix: When starting MM in a new directory, or changing the
Filepath to a new directory, the Catfile.mme file was
created even if the database creation was canceled. Now the
program will not create any files if the database creation
is canceled.
Fix: When rebuilding a database where a large number of recipes
have been "flagged for deletion", the summary at the end of
rebuild displayed incorrect numbers due to arithmetic
overflow. This has been corrected.
Fix: The file view option (U-Utilities, V-View File) incorrectly
displayed files which contained sequences of multiple
linefeed characters. This has been corrected.
Fix: Entering (6) category names into the Category Search
criteria could cause a run-time error and exit to DOS. This
has been corrected.
8.02 Maintenance Release. Adds leading title on "BB" export format
for compatibility with Prodigy(tm)'s "note preview" function.
Further relaxes import rules. Adds Directions Search to the
Search menu!
8.01 Maintenance Release. Corrects memory consumption problem in
CHGCAT utility, enables searching by fifth category name, relaxes
import rules in directions section, eliminates cursor "ghosts" in
view/list modes.
8.00 Initial Release. Major new features include: Capacity expansion
to 65,535 recipes per database (registered version), with
continued support for multiple databases; Improved handling of
recipes 'flagged' for delete; "Whole-word" title search
capability; Multiple category search, with "and" and "or"
connectors; New "Yield" field to replace the "servings" field and
a new "Yield Units" field allow entering recipe yields like
"3 pints" or "2 loaves"; Expanded category file that allows 150
categories; Search option to find recipes which contain
categories not in your personal category list; Ability to mark up
to 1,000 recipes for batch operations, A directory "pick list" to
easily switch between multiple databases; The ability to create a
new database without leaving the program; A command-line switch
to set the current database directory; Improved accuracy in
quantity storage; Selection of Export format on Export menu, in
addition to the Maintenance menu; File viewer capacity increased
to handle very large files; Revision to "MMMMM" format to provide
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better line length compatibility with more BBS systems; Improved
handling of Import Errors; New super-fast duplicate search to
speed Imports; Automatic deletion of old import files, and
conversion support for MasterCook-PC and MasterCook-II export
files.
CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE!
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Many thanks to everyone who contributed ideas for improving Meal-
Master. The program keeps improving thanks to you!
LEGAL STUFF and LIMITED WARRANTY
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Meal-Master (tm) is a trademark of Episoft Systems and Scott Welliver.
All rights are reserved. Copying of the Evaluation version (without
registered user utilities or a registration serial number) is allowed
by not-for-profit organizations such as user groups. ANYONE WISHING TO
DISTRIBUTE MEAL-MASTER IN A FOR-PROFIT ENTERPRISE MUST CONTACT EPISOFT
SYSTEMS FOR PERMISSION.
Episoft and Scott Welliver disclaim all warranties, either express or
implied, including but not limited to implied warranties of
merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose, with respect to
this software and any accompanying written materials. This limited
warranty gives you specific legal rights. You may have others, which
vary from state to state.
In no event will Episoft or its suppliers be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including, without limitation, damages for loss of business
profits, business reputation, business interruption, loss of business
information, or other pecuniary loss) arising out of the use of or
inability to use this Episoft product, even if Episoft has been advised
of the possibility of such damages. Because some states do not allow
the exclusion or limitation of liability for consequential or
incidental damages, the above limitation may not apply to you.
*** END OF README! FILE ***
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Brawny
rgu...@haverford.edu (raquel guerra) wrote:
>i found meal master and soon realized it was a dos program
MealMaster works fine under windows.... but I have heard that Scott is working
on a Windows version.
bra...@knox.mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~bjbear/brawny.html
raquel guerra
i found meal master and soon realized it was a dos program(so i didn't
read that whole message :>)...and i was wondering if there was a
windows version. or a similar product for windows?
thanks,
raquel
Judy LC
I do not have this 5 ½ floppy drive or the program.
Can anyone help me save her legacy?
Judy ADair
Ed Pawlowski
You may be able to download the program here.
http://meal-master.sharewarejunction.com/
Leonard Blaisdell
The database purports to be. Good luck, and be careful. Research
carefully before downloading anything.
Her recipe legacy is probably "somewhere" in cyberspace.
Michael Trew
floppy disk, or you don't have the 5.25 floppies with the original
program on it?
I happen to have a PC here with a functional 5.25 floppy drive, and I
could pull them for you for the cost of postage, but there are also
companies who will extract that data for a fee.
dsi1
https://www.geocities.ws/NapaValley/1284/geo_recipes.html
Judy LC
Judy LC
I have three floppies, I assume two are the program, and the third contains all the recipes.
I can send them to you and include return postage. I would love to have the recipes she had on them.
Send me an email with your contact information. (rylie....@gmail.com).
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:45:30 PM UTC-8, Michael Trew wrote:
Judy LC
'
I have three disc and want to get my grandmothers recipes off of them. email me details on how to get these to you.
Thomas Joseph
I am semi computer illiterate but I know some stuff I had on another machine
did not translate to this one due to compatibility issues. I lost lots of my
'writings'. Within a day I don't care. That goes for just about anything I've
ever lost. Sure, the paper can go up in flames. But it's a good backup. In
fact maybe the computer should be the backup with pen and paper coming
first. I'm not sure I really believe that. But I always carry a pen and absolutely
love when people with cellphone in hand ask if they can borrow it. What little
I own could be lost in a fire. A fresh start could be nice. But if I really valued
something - like those recipes for example - I would not have trusted them
entirely to a machine or service of any kind. Then again I don't know that
for sure. Good luck.
If we can put a man on the moon why can't we recover our lost recipes?
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Leonard Blaisdell
> I have three floppies, I assume two are the program, and the third contains all the recipes.
> I can send them to you and include return postage. I would love to have the recipes she had on them.
> Send me an email with your contact information. (rylie....@gmail.com).
may not be salvageable. Here's hoping that's not the case.
The data files "may" be recoverable while the executable is not. The
data files should be the recipes. Again, here's hoping and 2 cents.
heyjoe
> I have three floppies, I assume two are the program, and the
> third contains all the recipes.
Google for "usb floppy drive" and you should run across some good
links, eg.
https://www.howtogeek.com/669331/how-to-read-a-floppy-disk-on-a-modern-pc-or-mac/
https://tinygrab.com/best-external-usb-floppy-drive-reviews/
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Believe in yourself!
If cauliflower can become pizza, you can do anything.
Michael Trew
> On 2023-03-09, Judy LC<rylie....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have three floppies, I assume two are the program, and the third contains all the recipes.
>> I can send them to you and include return postage. I would love to have the recipes she had on them.
>
>> Send me an email with your contact information. (rylie....@gmail.com).
with is valid.
> For both you and Michael, old floppies suffer from bit-rot. Your disks
> may not be salvageable. Here's hoping that's not the case.
old programs over the years, but you never know. Almost more amazing,
my 5.25 floppy drive still seems to work, haha.
Bruce
Michael Trew
>>
>> That usually depends on how they were stored. I've pulled a number of
>> old programs over the years, but you never know. Almost more amazing,
>> my 5.25 floppy drive still seems to work, haha.
>
> That proves your point that they made better quality stuff in the 50s.
Some good stuff made it past the 50's. I went out to look at a 1964
Chrysler New Yorker today. It was born somewhere near Hank and Leo in
the desert... no rust. I might just have to go back for that nifty
thing. I don't understand how the push-button transmission works.
Bruce
<https://barnfinds.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/chrysler-2-1-e1543254937535.jpg>
GM
May have to jigger with those push - button trannie linkages...
On a plainer note, another Mopar:
https://www.curbsideclassic.com/vintage-reviews/vintage-car-life-road-test-1961-plymouth-savoy-six-outstanding-in-cheap-comfortable-transportation/
Vintage Car Life Road Test: 1961 Plymouth Savoy Six – “Outstanding In Cheap, Comfortable Transportation”
"The stripper sixes would steadily peter out throughout the decade, but in 1961 if a traditionalist still wanted a big basic car, cars like the Plymouth Savoy—and equivalent Fords and Chevys—offered a lot of car for the money. Powered by the 225 slant six, it performed adequately for the times too.
The tested Savoy had the 225 inch slant six teamed with the Torqueflite automatic “which we discovered to be admirably suited to the Six’s modest horsepower and torque characteristics.” Total price: $2694.40. To adjust that to 2022 dollar value, multiply that by 10. Yes, the dollar depreciated by exactly one decimal point since 1961.
CL makes some fairly gentle comments on styling, “on the whole, it isn’t displeasing“. But “the grille resembles a fugitive cabbage grater.” Well said.
The trunk was very roomy, to go along with the interior space. “If you’re a big family man, say with five youngsters to haul around, then you’ll appreciate this space.” In summation: “The Plymouth Savoy Six then is an adequate car—in handling, performance and appearance—but outstanding in cheap, comfortable transportation.” One could do worse than that, in 1961. Or better..."
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bruce bowser
Jim Brad
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Michael Trew
>>
>> I went out to look at a
>> 1964 Chrysler New Yorker today. It was born somewhere near Hank and
>> Leo in the desert... no rust. I might just have to go back for that
>> nifty thing. I don't understand how the push-button transmission
>> works.
>
> Oh man, GRAB that Mighty New Yorker... those Torqueflights are
> practically indestructible...
>
> May have to jigger with those push - button trannie linkages...
car doesn't even have a dent on it. I might just have to get it... send
help, LOL.
> The tested Savoy had the 225 inch slant six teamed with the
> Torqueflite automatic “which we discovered to be admirably suited to
> the Six’s modest horsepower and torque characteristics.”
'75 Dart with one really scooted around. I also had an '85 Dodge D100
with a slant 6, but that was *not* enough to power that truck.
> Total price:
> $2694.40. To adjust that to 2022 dollar value, multiply that by 10.
> Yes, the dollar depreciated by exactly one decimal point since 1961.
Inflation has really soared since pandemic.
Thomas Joseph
> $2694.40. To adjust that to 2022 dollar value, multiply that by 10.
> Yes, the dollar depreciated by exactly one decimal point since 1961.
> Circa 2020, that year for one decimal point of inflation was about 1955.
> Inflation has really soared since pandemic.
me to believe you were low on funds, a very practical guy who guys
only what he needs. But upon further readings I learned that you are
far from financially strapped. I learned that you are a collector and
a HOARDER! That is fine too. Everyone on earth is needed for
something. For example, my brother is a major upgrader. He uses
only Macs for graphics. He's a photographer. Sometimes when he's
moving on to a newer machine he'll sell me an old one. He sometimes
offers it free but I insist on paying. Obligations bug me. Anyway, it's
funny how I had a picture of you which is really quite the opposite of
the one in reality's mirror. You are a collector. The sort of guy who if
he hit the lottery the first thing he would buy would be a huge warehouse
for all the stuff he hasn't bought yet.
By the way I am proud of this but am aware I was lucky and times
were easier then, but I have owned 11 cars and never spent over
$100 for a single one. Two were bombs, only lasted a week or so.
The others were all great in some way. Drove several cross country,
bald tires, no money, great times. They were great cars - especially
the 1956 Chrysler Windsor and the 1959 Studebaker Lark station wagon.
But I did not work full-time and couldn't manage them. When something
minor would go wrong and I could not fix it myself it would sit on the
street waiting to be towed away. I have had a variety of low paying jobs
but have never needed a car for work. I refer to the car for most people
as what it is - a slave wagon used mainly to get to and from work. On
the weekend it sits proudly on the street.
dsi1
GM
> I've had a couple of brake failures while driving - beats me if that's common. The fix in both cases was to change the master cylinder. I like that word, "master cylinder." Anyway, that costs about 65 bucks for a rebuilt part and a can of brake fluid to fix. Even I could afford that. What I couldn't afford, at the time, was to pay someone to fix it for me. These days, I don't even feel like changing my oil - times have certainly changed.
the folks on 'Star Trek' - via TRANSPORTER:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transporter_(Star_Trek)
"A transporter is a fictional teleportation machine used in the Star Trek science fiction franchise.
Transporters allow for teleportation by converting a person or object into an energy pattern
(a process called "dematerialization"), then sending ("beaming") it to a target location or
else returning it to the transporter, where it is reconverted into matter ("rematerialization")...
According to dialogue in the Star Trek: Enterprise (ENT) episode "Daedalus", the transporter was
invented in the early 21st century by Dr. David 'dsi' Iawoka, who also became the first human to
be successfully transported..."
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Thomas Joseph
> I've had a couple of brake failures while driving - beats me if that's common. The fix in both cases was to change the master cylinder. I like that word, "master cylinder." Anyway, that costs about 65 bucks for a rebuilt part and a can of brake fluid to fix. Even I could afford that. What I couldn't afford, at the time, was to pay someone to fix it for me. These days, I don't even feel like changing my oil - times have certainly changed.
All kinds of things waiting to go wrong. I pulled into a few gas joints
along the way. When I asked where I was going I'd tell them California
and they'd say, "You think you're going to make it in that?" I treated the
car gently because I knew other than fixing a tire I was useless. I would
even sometimes pat it gently on the dashboard and speak nicely to it
the way one might speak to a pet. "Nice car, nice car." Pat pat. The
thing of it was that while at the time a breakdown would seem devastating
it was really nothing because all the cars were luxuries at the time even if
I didn't always see it. Back then they still had the inner tube tires. I'd jack
it up and hitch hike the inner tube to the nearest gas station for a patch or
replacement. At times I thought I needed the car, but I didn't really. Not
needing things is nice.
Thomas Joseph
Lots of luck I guess. In L.A. I had my car parked on a hill facing downward.
I had my foot on the brake when I started the car and could feel it beginning
to move. I slammed it back into park. That's another thing. I once had a car
with brakes that didn't work at all. I rarely used it. But when I did I went slow
and used the parking brake. It was funny and scary in an enjoyable way.
I mentioned inner tubes in my last post. Reminds me of the time when I
was a kid and found a huge truck tire inner tube with a hole in it. I bought
a patch at a nearby gas station, put it on and went over to the machine
to pump some air into it. There was a quarry nearby, my favorite, and I
was going to use this for lounging around in the water. I was on my knees
pumping it full of air, unaware at the time that I had one knee on the tire.
I looked down really close at the patch to see if it was taking the glue and
all of a sudden it exploded in my face. I could not see. I thought the explosion
had blinded me. I forgot about the glue. The attendant came rushing out.
"What's wrong, what's wrong?", and I tell him. He ushered my blind ass
into his office and sat me in a chair and put a small cup of boric acid and
water over each eye. It worked. But it took a while. For a good week, maybe
more, when I woke up I started out each day by using my fingers to pry my
eyes open. That glue hung around for a week at least. Funny. Thinking I
was blind and forgetting about the glue.
Michael Trew
> Michael Trew wrote:
> GM wrote:
>
>> $2694.40. To adjust that to 2022 dollar value, multiply that by 10.
>> Yes, the dollar depreciated by exactly one decimal point since 1961.
>> Circa 2020, that year for one decimal point of inflation was about 1955.
>> Inflation has really soared since pandemic.
>
> Mr. Trew, your talk of driving cars with faulty breaks, etc., at first led
> me to believe you were low on funds, a very practical guy who guys
> only what he needs. But upon further readings I learned that you are
> far from financially strapped. I learned that you are a collector and
> a HOARDER! That is fine too.
last 7 years or fewer. I have 9 at the moment; many of them get sold or
whatever. I surely don't have money to toss around, but I don't lose
money on cars. If anything, I make a few bucks... and have fun at the
same time.
jmcquown
Jill
Bruce
wrote:
Hank Rogers
dsi1
dsi1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VVrBUhX5U
Michael Trew
off of buying something that you don't really see on the road anymore.
When it gets boring, I sell or trade it.
Now, if I win the lottery, watch out... Jay Leno has some competition.
That's even more unlikely, because I don't play the lottery.
Thomas Joseph
> Hoarder is a stretch. I've owned well over 40 cars, just within the
> last 7 years or fewer. I have 9 at the moment; many of them get sold or
> whatever. I surely don't have money to toss around, but I don't lose
> money on cars. If anything, I make a few bucks... and have fun at the
> same time.
and I had a feeling it would grab your attention. I knew a woman
down here - 20 years older then me, met her driving the cab - who
was a bonafide hoarder. I had never met a certified hoarder before.
Her apartment was a canyon of old newspapers and envelopes. She
was a faller. Used to call me almost every night to come help her off
the floor. Ok, once a week (at least). The funny thing about the canyons
of paper is that they could make her fall but would also stop her from
falling too far. A guy she knew from up was passing through driving
a semi and stopped in to see her. He stayed a week in a separate
room Joyce never used. While there he cleaned out her kitchen for
her. After he left all she did was complain about not being able to
find stuff now. It took some time but it didn't take long and I could
see the buildup was underway once again. I'd come pick her up in
the cab and she'd ask me to stop by the complexes outside mailboxes
to get her mail. As we sat in the car I'd read out loud to her whatever
was in the envelopes. If she said no, that meant I could through it
away. One day I was about to throw an empty envelope - not the
see-through type with a return address on it - and she yelled, "What
is that?" I told her it's just an envelope and she freaked out. "No,
no," she yelled, "don't throw that out." I read up on it and there are
behavioral tendencies that relate to many people who hoard. The
report was accurate from my own experience with her. It said many
hoarders are perfectionists and also take a really long time getting
to the point when talking - taking detours left and right, sometimes
repeating the same stuff over and over - kind of like my posts, only worse,
way worse. Anyway, I know hoarders and I don't think you're one (not
that there's anything wrong with it), but at the same time the picture
I had of you from the start is not the one I have now. You are
approaching collector status. You need space for that stuff. I think
it's hilarious. I knew a guy who always talked about what he was
going to buy if he hit the lottery. "First thing I'm gonna buy", is how
he'd usually start out until after hearing it hundreds of times I told
him, "Tom, the first thing you need to buy if you hit the lottery is a
warehouse." He laughed.
Laughing is cool
Thomas Joseph
> I've had a couple of brake failures while driving - beats me if that's common. The fix in both cases was to change the master cylinder. I like that word, "master cylinder." Anyway, that costs about 65 bucks for a rebuilt part and a can of brake fluid to fix. Even I could afford that. What I couldn't afford, at the time, was to pay someone to fix it for me. These days, I don't even feel like changing my oil - times have certainly changed.
I first learned the brakes did not work. I hit the parking brake fast. Good
thing it worked or I'd have had to slam it into park. Well, I couldn't get
anybody to look at it but was told by most it was the master cylinder.
It was my master for sure. I could have called a tow company and
picked up maybe $25 for it. Instead I let it sit on the hill having already
accepted its demise and one day I walked past and looked up and it
was gone. Maybe it wasn't the master cylinder.
When I first moved to L.A. when I hit 21 I went from PA in a
1959 Studebaker Lark station wagon. It was a fantastic car.
I paid $85 for it in PA. Anyway, when I got to L.A. it was
over heating and I didn't know anybody who'd look at it plus
wouldn't have had the money anyway. At that time all gas
stations were full serve. The car would overheat and I'd
find a station, pull in and sit near the water hose waiting for
the car to cool down a bit. Then I'd put in fresh water before
moving on.
Every time I'd be at the water hose someone would come out of
the service station to take a look. They all started with the most
expensive thing - like a new radiator. Or a cleaning. All they were
selling I was not buying. I couldn't. After a while I started politely
shooing them away with, "I got it, it's nothing", or whatever. Then
one day a guy comes out and keeps coming despite me telling him
I'm ok. "Let me look at it", he says. I told him I can't afford a new
radiator or cleaning, but thanks anyway. He puts his head under
the hood and says, "You need a radiator cap." I tell him, "I don't
need a cap, the one I'm using is sitting off to the side of the
radiator. "No", he said, "I mean this cap is no good. You need
a cap."
"How much are they?", I asked. He said he'd get me one. He
came back with a cap. I put in some water and asked him how
much. It was a used cap. He said no charge. And I was on my
way. The point being that I had to go through probably 50 different
mechanics or whatever until I finally found the right one. Ever since
then along with other experiences I have come to view a lot of
industry rackets as a numbers game. Like medicine - how many
doctors does a person have to go through before he finds someone
who actually knows what they're doing? Whatever the number I say
it's the same no matter the job. I know people have to make money,
but come on man, gimme a fucking break.
And now I will give you a break by bidding adieu
Thomas Joseph
> That's a pretty good and interesting story alright!
Thomas Joseph
> No disrespect or anything but I've always wondered how places like this and people like this came about. This could be you in 50 years or so - or not.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6VVrBUhX5U
in to your clip - I've seen these kind of places before - it made me think
that maybe the word hoarder is reserved mostly for people without enough
space to be called something else. Anyway, hoarding is an interesting
disease/ailment/whatever in that the hoarded stuff doesn't have to have
any value of any kind to the person. And if you clean their place out for
them to 'give them a fresh start' they will be right back at it in no time
flat. It's right up there with "Can't have more than one" for boozers. If
alcoholism is a disease (and I say it's not, but am not going to argue)
then hoarding is a disease as well................. When I left L.A. I had 150
record albums - some good oldies from the early 50s, ten inch albums,
Pacific Jazz. I took them to a nearby collector and he rejected all of
them. "Yes, it's from the early 50s", he would say, but it's not the original
cut", or whatever. It was work for me to get those albums to him. Also
to get them back home again. I gave them to a guy I knew who liked
similar music. Point is, the collector guy didn't want to give me a dime
for any of those records, yet years later checking them out on the web
I see some of them going for $50 plus. I don't care because I know
whatever money I got for them then I would not have today. Still,
ever since I have harbored a slight dislike for people who collect
stuff for money alone.
Bastards! LOL
Thomas Joseph
> Possible, but unlikely. My problem is that I get some kind of a high
> off of buying something that you don't really see on the road anymore.
> When it gets boring, I sell or trade it.
>
> Now, if I win the lottery, watch out... Jay Leno has some competition.
> That's even more unlikely, because I don't play the lottery.
I am very surprised there isn't a weekly TV show ala "The Millionaire"
from the 50s where people react differently to sudden wealth. I would
love to hit the lottery but I am not buying the ticket. I look back on my
life - boozing, drugs and so forth (mixed with some healthy stuff now
and then) - and I know if I had hit the lottery when I was younger I would
definitely not be alive today.
Alive and waiting to die
dsi1
"Yes I do, it's parked outside." Ha ha, when I took a look outside the window, there was nothing there. I had forgotten to stick it in gear and set the hand brake. It had rolled down the street and ended up in a neighbor's yard - just inches away from their beautiful new wall. It hit no cars on the way there - truly the gods were watching out for me that day.
It was a beautiful car and GM was so impressed with it that they stole the design and created their version of it. And the rest is history - very bad history.
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