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Janet Bostwick
Sep 23, 2013, 4:57:49 PM9/23/13
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/health/sell-by-dates-waste-food/index.html?hpt=hp_bn13
or
http://tinyurl.com/l8trpwa
TIME.com) -- Use-by dates are contributing to millions of pounds of
wasted food each year.
A new report from the Natural Resources Defense Council and Harvard
Law School's Food Law and Policy Clinic says Americans are prematurely
throwing out food, largely because of confusion over what expiration
dates actually mean.
Most consumers mistakenly believe that expiration dates on food
indicate how safe the food is to consume, when these dates actually
aren't related to the risk of food poisoning or foodborne illness.
Food dating emerged in the 1970s, prompted by consumer demand as
Americans produced less of their own food but still demanded
information about how it was made. The dates solely indicate
freshness, and are used by manufacturers to convey when the product is
at its peak. That means the food does not expire in the sense of
becoming inedible.
For un-refrigerated foods, there may be no difference in taste or
quality, and expired foods won't necessarily make people sick.
But according to the new analysis, words like "use by" and "sell by"
are used so inconsistently that they contribute to widespread
misinterpretation — and waste — by consumers. More than 90% of
Americans throw out food prematurely, and 40% of the U.S. food supply
is tossed--unused--every year because of food dating.
TIME.com: Rates of foodborne illnesses largely unchanged
Eggs, for example, can be consumed three to five weeks after purchase,
even though the "use by" date is much earlier. A box of mac-and-cheese
stamped with a "use by" date of March 2013 can still be enjoyed on
March 2014, most likely with no noticeable changes in quality.
"We are fine with there being quality or freshness dates as long as it
is clearly communicated to consumers, and they are educated about what
that means," says study co- author Emily Broad Leib, the director of
Harvard Food Law & Policy Clinic. "There should be a standard date and
wording that is used. This is about quality, not safety. You can make
your own decision about whether a food still has an edible quality
that's acceptable to you."
TIME.com: Is it worth it to buy organic?
Because food dating was never about public health, there is no
national regulation over the use of the dates, although the Food and
Drug Administration and U.S. Department of Agriculture technically
have regulatory power over the misbranding of products. The only
federally required and regulated food dating involves infant formula,
since the nutrients in formula lose their potency as time goes on.
What regulation does exist occurs at the state level — and all but
nine states in the United States have food dating rules but these vary
widely.
"What's resulted from [the FDA letting states come up with regulation]
is really a patchwork of all sorts of different rules for different
products and regulations around them," says study co-author Dana
Gunders, a staff scientist with the NRDC's food and agriculture
program. "Sometimes a product needs a date, sometimes it doesn't.
Sometimes a product cannot be sold after a different date. Or there is
no requirement at all. Even with different categories there is so much
variability."
The result is a confused public — and tons of wasted food.
TIME.com: Illnesses from imported foods are on the rise
Correcting these entrenched misconceptions, however, won't be easy.
The report authors say the re-education could start with a clearer
understanding of what the dates mean.
"Use by" and "Best by": These dates are intended for consumer use, but
are typically the date the manufacturer deems the product reaches peak
freshness. It's not a date to indicate spoilage, nor does it
necessarily signal that the food is no longer safe to eat.
"Sell by": This date is only intended to help manufacturers and
retailers, not consumers. It's a stocking and marketing tool provided
by food makers to ensure proper turnover of the products in the store
so they still have a long shelf life after consumers buy them.
Consumers, however, are misinterpreting it as a date to guide their
buying decisions. The report authors say that "sell by" dates should
be made invisible to the consumer.
Four ways to combat food waste
Jena Roberts, vice president for business development at the food
testing firm, National Food Lab, studies "shelf-stable" properties of
foods to help manufacturers determine what date indicates when their
products are at their best.
"The food has to be safe, that's a given," says Roberts. "[The
manufacturers] want to make sure the consumer eats and tastes a high
quality product."
But she acknowledges that even if the food is consumed after its ideal
quality date, it's not harmful. A strawberry-flavored beverage may
lose its red color, the oats in a granola bar may lose its crunch, or
the chocolate clusters in a cereal may start to 'bloom' and turn
white. While it may not look appetizing, the food is still safe to
eat.
"It's a confusing subject, the difference between food quality and
food safety. Even in the food industry I have colleagues who are not
microbiologists who get confused," she says.
TIME.com: How to stop the superbugs
The report authors aren't against food date labeling. The system was
created to provide more information to consumers, but it's important
that people know how to use that data.
"The interest is still there on the part of the consumers, but we want
this to be clearly communicated so consumers are not misinterpreting
the data and contributing to a bunch of waste," says Gunders.
While the food industry could make changes to date labels voluntarily
— such as having the dates read when food is most likely to spoil —
the study authors also call for legislation by Congress to develop
national standards that would standardize a single set of dating
requirements.
Such standards may already be in the works; following the release of
the report, Congresswoman Nita Lowey, the senior Democrat on the House
Appropriations Committee and author of the Freshness Disclosure Act
says she will be reintroducing legislation to Congress that calls for
establishing a consistent food dating system in the United States.
"I look forward to reintroducing this legislation this Congress and
working with colleagues on both sides of the aisle to fix this glaring
gap in our nation's food safety laws so that American consumers have
the information they need," Lowey said in a statement.
You can read the full report and recommendations, here.
In the meantime, for tips on what expiration dates really mean, see
our examples, here.
This story was originally published on TIME.com
or
http://tinyurl.com/l8trpwa
TIME.com) -- Use-by dates are contributing to millions of pounds of
wasted food each year.
A new report from the Natural Resources Defense Council and Harvard
Law School's Food Law and Policy Clinic says Americans are prematurely
throwing out food, largely because of confusion over what expiration
dates actually mean.
Most consumers mistakenly believe that expiration dates on food
indicate how safe the food is to consume, when these dates actually
aren't related to the risk of food poisoning or foodborne illness.
Food dating emerged in the 1970s, prompted by consumer demand as
Americans produced less of their own food but still demanded
information about how it was made. The dates solely indicate
freshness, and are used by manufacturers to convey when the product is
at its peak. That means the food does not expire in the sense of
becoming inedible.
For un-refrigerated foods, there may be no difference in taste or
quality, and expired foods won't necessarily make people sick.
But according to the new analysis, words like "use by" and "sell by"
are used so inconsistently that they contribute to widespread
misinterpretation — and waste — by consumers. More than 90% of
Americans throw out food prematurely, and 40% of the U.S. food supply
is tossed--unused--every year because of food dating.
TIME.com: Rates of foodborne illnesses largely unchanged
Eggs, for example, can be consumed three to five weeks after purchase,
even though the "use by" date is much earlier. A box of mac-and-cheese
stamped with a "use by" date of March 2013 can still be enjoyed on
March 2014, most likely with no noticeable changes in quality.
"We are fine with there being quality or freshness dates as long as it
is clearly communicated to consumers, and they are educated about what
that means," says study co- author Emily Broad Leib, the director of
Harvard Food Law & Policy Clinic. "There should be a standard date and
wording that is used. This is about quality, not safety. You can make
your own decision about whether a food still has an edible quality
that's acceptable to you."
TIME.com: Is it worth it to buy organic?
Because food dating was never about public health, there is no
national regulation over the use of the dates, although the Food and
Drug Administration and U.S. Department of Agriculture technically
have regulatory power over the misbranding of products. The only
federally required and regulated food dating involves infant formula,
since the nutrients in formula lose their potency as time goes on.
What regulation does exist occurs at the state level — and all but
nine states in the United States have food dating rules but these vary
widely.
"What's resulted from [the FDA letting states come up with regulation]
is really a patchwork of all sorts of different rules for different
products and regulations around them," says study co-author Dana
Gunders, a staff scientist with the NRDC's food and agriculture
program. "Sometimes a product needs a date, sometimes it doesn't.
Sometimes a product cannot be sold after a different date. Or there is
no requirement at all. Even with different categories there is so much
variability."
The result is a confused public — and tons of wasted food.
TIME.com: Illnesses from imported foods are on the rise
Correcting these entrenched misconceptions, however, won't be easy.
The report authors say the re-education could start with a clearer
understanding of what the dates mean.
"Use by" and "Best by": These dates are intended for consumer use, but
are typically the date the manufacturer deems the product reaches peak
freshness. It's not a date to indicate spoilage, nor does it
necessarily signal that the food is no longer safe to eat.
"Sell by": This date is only intended to help manufacturers and
retailers, not consumers. It's a stocking and marketing tool provided
by food makers to ensure proper turnover of the products in the store
so they still have a long shelf life after consumers buy them.
Consumers, however, are misinterpreting it as a date to guide their
buying decisions. The report authors say that "sell by" dates should
be made invisible to the consumer.
Four ways to combat food waste
Jena Roberts, vice president for business development at the food
testing firm, National Food Lab, studies "shelf-stable" properties of
foods to help manufacturers determine what date indicates when their
products are at their best.
"The food has to be safe, that's a given," says Roberts. "[The
manufacturers] want to make sure the consumer eats and tastes a high
quality product."
But she acknowledges that even if the food is consumed after its ideal
quality date, it's not harmful. A strawberry-flavored beverage may
lose its red color, the oats in a granola bar may lose its crunch, or
the chocolate clusters in a cereal may start to 'bloom' and turn
white. While it may not look appetizing, the food is still safe to
eat.
"It's a confusing subject, the difference between food quality and
food safety. Even in the food industry I have colleagues who are not
microbiologists who get confused," she says.
TIME.com: How to stop the superbugs
The report authors aren't against food date labeling. The system was
created to provide more information to consumers, but it's important
that people know how to use that data.
"The interest is still there on the part of the consumers, but we want
this to be clearly communicated so consumers are not misinterpreting
the data and contributing to a bunch of waste," says Gunders.
While the food industry could make changes to date labels voluntarily
— such as having the dates read when food is most likely to spoil —
the study authors also call for legislation by Congress to develop
national standards that would standardize a single set of dating
requirements.
Such standards may already be in the works; following the release of
the report, Congresswoman Nita Lowey, the senior Democrat on the House
Appropriations Committee and author of the Freshness Disclosure Act
says she will be reintroducing legislation to Congress that calls for
establishing a consistent food dating system in the United States.
"I look forward to reintroducing this legislation this Congress and
working with colleagues on both sides of the aisle to fix this glaring
gap in our nation's food safety laws so that American consumers have
the information they need," Lowey said in a statement.
You can read the full report and recommendations, here.
In the meantime, for tips on what expiration dates really mean, see
our examples, here.
This story was originally published on TIME.com
Ed Pawlowski
Sep 23, 2013, 10:45:39 PM9/23/13
to
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:57:49 -0600, Janet Bostwick
<nos...@cableone.net> wrote:
>http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/health/sell-by-dates-waste-food/index.html?hpt=hp_bn13
>or
>http://tinyurl.com/l8trpwa
>
>TIME.com) -- Use-by dates are contributing to millions of pounds of
>wasted food each year.
>
>A new report from the Natural Resources Defense Council and Harvard
>Law School's Food Law and Policy Clinic says Americans are prematurely
>throwing out food, largely because of confusion over what expiration
>dates actually mean.
>
>Most consumers mistakenly believe that expiration dates on food
>indicate how safe the food is to consume, when these dates actually
>aren't related to the risk of food poisoning or foodborne illness.
I look at the dates as a reference and have used plenty of stuff
<nos...@cableone.net> wrote:
>http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/health/sell-by-dates-waste-food/index.html?hpt=hp_bn13
>or
>http://tinyurl.com/l8trpwa
>
>TIME.com) -- Use-by dates are contributing to millions of pounds of
>wasted food each year.
>
>A new report from the Natural Resources Defense Council and Harvard
>Law School's Food Law and Policy Clinic says Americans are prematurely
>throwing out food, largely because of confusion over what expiration
>dates actually mean.
>
>Most consumers mistakenly believe that expiration dates on food
>indicate how safe the food is to consume, when these dates actually
>aren't related to the risk of food poisoning or foodborne illness.
beyond the date on the container. But I know people that think it
suddenly spoils at the stroke of midnight of the printed date.
Food banks also toss "expired" food if found in the donations.
Janet Bostwick
Sep 23, 2013, 11:11:41 PM9/23/13
to
on opposing teams to produce gourmet meals from food that was
discarded by restaurants, farms etc. They were free to choose where
they went. In relation to this article, I remember that, by law (NY
city), they were forbidden from using any food that was beyond the
expiration date. You wouldn't believe what food items they were able
to find for their meals. The tipping point seems to be how much are
you going to trust your food purveyor to use food beyond a date and
not make you sick? The same question applies to food banks and the
like. For myself, the dates are a guideline to let me know I have to
use the stuff -- a sort of inventory control.
Janet US
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Cheryl
Sep 24, 2013, 3:03:54 AM9/24/13
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date. I think I gave myself food poisoning yesterday. I was working
all weekend and barely had time to eat anything, but last night we took
a break between 7-9 and I made a frozen pizza that I topped with fresh
cooked bacon and sausage that was cooked and frozen weeks ago. I added
more motz cheese to top.
I was up all night in painful cramps and today was no fun either. Not
realizing it was the pizza, I had a slice for lunch and within an hour
my stomach was talking and painful. That's when I realized I might have
given myself food poisoning.
Of course it might have just been my IBS.
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On Monday, September 23, 2013 1:57:49 PM UTC-7, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/health/sell-by-dates-waste-food/index.html?hpt=hp_bn13
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l8trpwa
>
>
>
> TIME.com) -- Use-by dates are contributing to millions of pounds of
>
> wasted food each year.
>
>
>
> A new report from the Natural Resources Defense Council and Harvard
> Law School's Food Law and Policy Clinic says Americans are prematurely
> throwing out food, largely because of confusion over what expiration
> dates actually mean.
>
>
>
> Most consumers mistakenly believe that expiration dates on food
> indicate how safe the food is to consume, when these dates actually
> aren't related to the risk of food poisoning or foodborne illness.
>
Having once bought a rotten chicken here are my rules:
> http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/health/sell-by-dates-waste-food/index.html?hpt=hp_bn13
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l8trpwa
>
>
>
> TIME.com) -- Use-by dates are contributing to millions of pounds of
>
> wasted food each year.
>
>
>
> A new report from the Natural Resources Defense Council and Harvard
> Law School's Food Law and Policy Clinic says Americans are prematurely
> throwing out food, largely because of confusion over what expiration
> dates actually mean.
>
>
>
> Most consumers mistakenly believe that expiration dates on food
> indicate how safe the food is to consume, when these dates actually
> aren't related to the risk of food poisoning or foodborne illness.
>
Chicken: use or freeze the day you buy it. In three days you'll wish you had.
Pork: Gets funky the day after the sell by date. Use or freeze.
Beef: Use or freeze ground beef; solid beef will start turning brown by the
sell-by date.
Once you open yogurt or cottage cheese, consume it within a week. A
Ed Pawlowski
Sep 24, 2013, 5:58:20 AM9/24/13
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:40:35 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:45:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Food banks also toss "expired" food if found in the donations.
>
>No, we don't.
>
>This is a typical guide used by the network of "Feeding America" food
>banks for determining when a product is actually expired to the point
>of it being trashed:
>
>http://www.pittsburghfoodbank.org/pdf/shelflifeguide.pdf
>(I cite Pittsburgh since it's the first one I can find online)
Well good to hear some us common sense. A couple around here toss it
though.
wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:45:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Food banks also toss "expired" food if found in the donations.
>
>
>This is a typical guide used by the network of "Feeding America" food
>banks for determining when a product is actually expired to the point
>of it being trashed:
>
>http://www.pittsburghfoodbank.org/pdf/shelflifeguide.pdf
>(I cite Pittsburgh since it's the first one I can find online)
Well good to hear some us common sense. A couple around here toss it
though.
Dave Smith
Sep 24, 2013, 9:53:44 AM9/24/13
to
eating. It was not at all like IBS. It all came out the other end. I
puked and retched for close to 5 hours, and you have to have gone
through something like that before you can understand what a horrible
experience it is.
>
Nunya Bidnits
Sep 24, 2013, 12:39:10 PM9/24/13
to
Janet Bostwick <nos...@cableone.net> wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/health/sell-by-dates-waste-food/index.html?hpt=hp_bn13
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/l8trpwa
>
> TIME.com) -- Use-by dates are contributing to millions of pounds of
> wasted food each year.
>
<clip>
> http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/health/sell-by-dates-waste-food/index.html?hpt=hp_bn13
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/l8trpwa
>
> TIME.com) -- Use-by dates are contributing to millions of pounds of
> wasted food each year.
>
This stuff bears repeating often.
Food does not expire. Medicines expire. Food does not.
A sell by date in the butcher case is based on when it was put in the sale
pack. The meat arrived at the grocer in case lots. Sometimes it is in cryo,
sometimes not, poultry for example. The grocer then portions out those case
lots over several days. But all that meat has the same pack date, the date
it was processed at a plant and put in case lots for wholesale distribution.
Nevertheless meats from those case lots will have different sell-by dates
based on what day meat in a particular was removed from the case lot and
packaged for sale.
This is just one example of why those dates are bogus.
I'm convinced that the primary purpose of these dates is to get you to throw
stuff out prematurely and buy more. Of much more interest to me would be the
actual pack date or production date.
MartyB
Brooklyn1
Sep 24, 2013, 1:02:49 PM9/24/13
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I don't donate to food banks.
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Brooklyn1
Sep 24, 2013, 1:49:20 PM9/24/13
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On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:47:04 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:11:41 -0600, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>> there was one show on Food Network that challenged a couple of chefs
>> on opposing teams to produce gourmet meals from food that was
>> discarded by restaurants, farms etc. They were free to choose where
>> they went. In relation to this article, I remember that, by law (NY
>> city), they were forbidden from using any food that was beyond the
>> expiration date.
>
>I don't believe any law exists in any New York municipality that
>covers food expiration dates, only drugs. Just as there is no law
>that governs the dates that manufacturers place on foods; they are
>arbitrary and at the discretion of the manufacturer/producer.
>
>-sw
Foods don't have "expiration dates"... only "best by" and perishables
have "sell by" dates. Best used by dates are typically 4, 5, 6 years
out into the future and it's still perfectly good for twice that time
so long as the package integrity isn't violated... the canned beans I
just opened have a best by date of June 2016... they'd probably be
fine till 2020 and longer. And there's good reason for perishables
like dairy and meats to have sell by dates, at that date it's already
begining to spoil or will very shortly. However even more important
with perishables is how they're transported to and handled in
stores... when perishables are left out on the loading dock or in the
aisle for several hours the sell by date is totally meaningless. With
perishables the best one can do is to shop at stores that are reliable
about how they handle foods... some stores have lousy refrigeration...
I've already discovered this by shopping with an Insta Read
thermometer... several large chain stores have their milk fridge set
at 46�F and warmer, way too warm... Walmart keeps theirs at 36-38F...
I've never had milk from Walmart spoil before I could finish it. The
refrigeration at the local Stewart's Shops is kept at 38�F or lower
too. It's the store fridges that don't have doors that typically have
temperatures that are too high. It's also a good idea to choose your
perishable foods from the lowest shelf, especially frozen foods, if
it's a chest type freezer dig down a ways... and always be cognizant
of the sell-by date, stores are supposed to rotate stock so the foods
with the closest dates are typically right on top, I dig down for
dates further out. Another thing I do is ask the butcher to custom
cut meat rather than take the wrapped ones from the display case...
how do I know I won't choose one that someone left out on a shelf with
the pasta until some stocker put it back (could already be spoiled). I
always asked for a roast a couple three pounds more than what's
displayed so they can't say no, I can slice it in half when I get
home, but at least I know I got it freshly cut directly from the
butcher's fridge. Or I try to get my meat off the cart rolled out by
my favorite meat lady with her top blouse buttons opened.
wrote:
>On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:11:41 -0600, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>> there was one show on Food Network that challenged a couple of chefs
>> on opposing teams to produce gourmet meals from food that was
>> discarded by restaurants, farms etc. They were free to choose where
>> they went. In relation to this article, I remember that, by law (NY
>> city), they were forbidden from using any food that was beyond the
>> expiration date.
>
>covers food expiration dates, only drugs. Just as there is no law
>that governs the dates that manufacturers place on foods; they are
>arbitrary and at the discretion of the manufacturer/producer.
>
>-sw
Foods don't have "expiration dates"... only "best by" and perishables
have "sell by" dates. Best used by dates are typically 4, 5, 6 years
out into the future and it's still perfectly good for twice that time
so long as the package integrity isn't violated... the canned beans I
just opened have a best by date of June 2016... they'd probably be
fine till 2020 and longer. And there's good reason for perishables
like dairy and meats to have sell by dates, at that date it's already
begining to spoil or will very shortly. However even more important
with perishables is how they're transported to and handled in
stores... when perishables are left out on the loading dock or in the
aisle for several hours the sell by date is totally meaningless. With
perishables the best one can do is to shop at stores that are reliable
about how they handle foods... some stores have lousy refrigeration...
I've already discovered this by shopping with an Insta Read
thermometer... several large chain stores have their milk fridge set
at 46�F and warmer, way too warm... Walmart keeps theirs at 36-38F...
I've never had milk from Walmart spoil before I could finish it. The
refrigeration at the local Stewart's Shops is kept at 38�F or lower
too. It's the store fridges that don't have doors that typically have
temperatures that are too high. It's also a good idea to choose your
perishable foods from the lowest shelf, especially frozen foods, if
it's a chest type freezer dig down a ways... and always be cognizant
of the sell-by date, stores are supposed to rotate stock so the foods
with the closest dates are typically right on top, I dig down for
dates further out. Another thing I do is ask the butcher to custom
cut meat rather than take the wrapped ones from the display case...
how do I know I won't choose one that someone left out on a shelf with
the pasta until some stocker put it back (could already be spoiled). I
always asked for a roast a couple three pounds more than what's
displayed so they can't say no, I can slice it in half when I get
home, but at least I know I got it freshly cut directly from the
butcher's fridge. Or I try to get my meat off the cart rolled out by
my favorite meat lady with her top blouse buttons opened.
Brooklyn1
Sep 24, 2013, 1:55:38 PM9/24/13
to
and yeast/baking powder, those are more in the catagory of OTC drugs,
not really foods
Cheri
Sep 24, 2013, 2:34:23 PM9/24/13
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"Susan" <su...@nothanks.org> wrote in message
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> My 14 y.o. oxycodone worked great after a recent oral surgery.
>
> Doxycycline is one exception I know of; aged, it can harm kidneys.
>
> Susan
>
Sort of the same thing, with strips for BG meters. I am using some from 2007
and they are within a couple of numbers as the new ones. Also, when having
my wisdom teeth pulled kept the script for years and when I needed one,
which was seldomly, I used it. Worked great.
Cheri
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 9/24/2013 12:39 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> Food does not expire. Medicines expire. Food does not.
>
> Most medicines don't expire, either, if stored dry and in moderate temps.
> On 9/24/2013 12:39 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> Food does not expire. Medicines expire. Food does not.
>
>
> My 14 y.o. oxycodone worked great after a recent oral surgery.
>
> Doxycycline is one exception I know of; aged, it can harm kidneys.
>
> Susan
>
Sort of the same thing, with strips for BG meters. I am using some from 2007
and they are within a couple of numbers as the new ones. Also, when having
my wisdom teeth pulled kept the script for years and when I needed one,
which was seldomly, I used it. Worked great.
Cheri
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Brooklyn1
Sep 24, 2013, 2:19:26 PM9/24/13
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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 03:03:54 -0400, Cheryl <jlhs...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Very unlikely it was the pizza, food poisoning almost always takes 24
hours to show symptoms, and it's hardly possible from baked goods,
especially pizza, to cause food borne disease because of the high prep
temps. Even the frozen pizzas I buy warn against eating the product
uncooked... means they know it may contain some bacteria but the high
baking temperature for the specified time would be like autoclaving.
wrote:
hours to show symptoms, and it's hardly possible from baked goods,
especially pizza, to cause food borne disease because of the high prep
temps. Even the frozen pizzas I buy warn against eating the product
uncooked... means they know it may contain some bacteria but the high
baking temperature for the specified time would be like autoclaving.
Nunya Bidnits
Sep 24, 2013, 3:42:04 PM9/24/13
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Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 9/24/2013 12:39 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 9/24/2013 12:39 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> Food does not expire. Medicines expire. Food does not.
>
>
> Most medicines don't expire, either, if stored dry and in moderate
> temps.
> My 14 y.o. oxycodone worked great after a recent oral surgery.
>
> Doxycycline is one exception I know of; aged, it can harm kidneys.
>
> Susan
That's not to say that they retain full potency though. There is a need for
> temps.
> My 14 y.o. oxycodone worked great after a recent oral surgery.
>
> Doxycycline is one exception I know of; aged, it can harm kidneys.
>
> Susan
precision with prescription meds where there is not with food. The point of
expiration is supposedly based on deterioration of the particular drug. I
don't know whether it's actually that detailed in practice. If you take a
critical drug, you want it to have the proper potency. OTOH in a case like
that most people wouldn't have years-old supplies laying around.
MartyB
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Sep 24, 2013, 6:45:42 PM9/24/13
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salad at an unfamiliar restaurant. My parents and I all had salad. Brother
did not and he did not get sick. The meal was dinner and we all got sick
somewhere in the middle of the night. Lasted a good 24 hours for us.
Julie Bove
Sep 24, 2013, 6:48:13 PM9/24/13
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> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:02:49 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Besides the admins glomming the best for themselves yet another reason
>> I don't donate to food banks.
>
> Yeah - the staff just can't wait for another can of creamed corn,
>
>> Besides the admins glomming the best for themselves yet another reason
>> I don't donate to food banks.
>
> maybe a crushed bag of double stuff Oreos, or the ultimate prize - a
> shiny silver can of Le Sueur peas to grace their warehouse.
>
> You're just paranoid.
Hehehehehe. I am picturing some lecherous person getting all excited over
the Le Sueur peas now.
Julie Bove
Sep 24, 2013, 6:54:26 PM9/24/13
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heated, you could get food poisoning. I don't believe that at all. Weirder
still, there used to be places that sold pizza and pizza bread at room temp.
Have not seen any here recently. But the bakery that my husband's distant
family owns sells cheese "pitza" and cheese pizza bread. I have bought and
eaten that stuff countless times and never got sick. They do tell you to
refrigerate it if you're going to keep it beyond about 24 hours but... In
PA it is very humid and things spoil quickly like that.
Used to be here you could be pizza bread at numerous places with cheese and
sometimes meat. Always at room temp. And you can still find stuff like
cheese and jalapeno bread at room temp. For that matter, what of home baked
cookies? Those things often contain eggs, butter and even milk! Never
heard of a person being food poisoned by one and they're not usually
refrigerated.
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Kalmia
Sep 24, 2013, 7:26:51 PM9/24/13
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When buying, I pay attention to the dates, trying to buy the newest on the shelf. But, once it's home, I use the guidelines my mother used - taste, smell and visual tests.
If ppl didn't stockpile food, they maybe wouldn't be faced so often with 'expired' stuff.
If ppl didn't stockpile food, they maybe wouldn't be faced so often with 'expired' stuff.
Janet Bostwick
Sep 24, 2013, 7:59:35 PM9/24/13
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<tween...@mypacks.net> wrote:
snip
and being lazy is. Negligence and laziness exist outside of stock
piling.
Janet US
<tween...@mypacks.net> wrote:
snip
>
>If ppl didn't stockpile food, they maybe wouldn't be faced so often with 'expired' stuff.
>
Stockpiling food is not the problem -- not paying attention to stuff
>If ppl didn't stockpile food, they maybe wouldn't be faced so often with 'expired' stuff.
>
and being lazy is. Negligence and laziness exist outside of stock
piling.
Janet US
Cheri
Sep 24, 2013, 8:07:00 PM9/24/13
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Cheri
news:81fba275-227c-4fa4...@googlegroups.com...
> When buying, I pay attention to the dates, trying to buy the newest on
> the shelf. But, once it's home, I use the guidelines my mother used -
> taste, smell and visual tests.
Me too.
> the shelf. But, once it's home, I use the guidelines my mother used -
> taste, smell and visual tests.
Cheri
Gregory Morrow
Sep 24, 2013, 8:12:29 PM9/24/13
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Sheldon wrote:
> Or I try to get my meat off the cart rolled out by
>
> my favorite meat lady with her top blouse buttons opened.
Donchya mean "...get my 'meat' __on__ the cart...",,,,???
> Or I try to get my meat off the cart rolled out by
>
> my favorite meat lady with her top blouse buttons opened.
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Best
Greg
Gregory Morrow
Sep 24, 2013, 8:16:44 PM9/24/13
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Sqwertz wrote:
> I didn't even know what a Le Sueur pea was until a week ago when I
>
> also saw a can of Le Sueur carrots. Curiosity finally go the better
>
> of me and I looked them up. It's unlikely I will try them since they
>
> only come canned rather than frozen (or fresh). I pass on canned peas
>
> and carrots.
>
>
>
> That is, unless somebody who tastes I trust says I am missing out on
>
> some sort of gustatory epiphany. (and they aren't from Minnesota).
Some of us Olde Queens refer to Le Seur products as "Joan Crawford peas" or whatever..."Lucille Le Seur" was Crawford's real name...
Don't ya LUV my "contributions" here, Steve...???
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Best
Greg
>
> also saw a can of Le Sueur carrots. Curiosity finally go the better
>
> of me and I looked them up. It's unlikely I will try them since they
>
> only come canned rather than frozen (or fresh). I pass on canned peas
>
> and carrots.
>
>
>
> That is, unless somebody who tastes I trust says I am missing out on
>
> some sort of gustatory epiphany. (and they aren't from Minnesota).
Some of us Olde Queens refer to Le Seur products as "Joan Crawford peas" or whatever..."Lucille Le Seur" was Crawford's real name...
Don't ya LUV my "contributions" here, Steve...???
--
Best
Greg
Brooklyn1
Sep 24, 2013, 9:26:56 PM9/24/13
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canned peas... occasionally I treat myself, they are pricy for a
canned veggie. Le Sueurs are about half the size of ordinary peas and
are much firmer than typical canned peas. Of course people with the
mind set that all canned veggies are toxic probably won't
like/appreciate them... me, when I feel like a snack I'll reach for
canned veggies before I will a candy bar.
http://www.greengiant.com/pages/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=18
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jmcquown
Sep 24, 2013, 9:55:34 PM9/24/13
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On 9/24/2013 7:13 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> I didn't even know what a Le Sueur pea was until a week ago when I
> also saw a can of Le Sueur carrots. Curiosity finally go the better
> of me and I looked them up. It's unlikely I will try them since they
> only come canned rather than frozen (or fresh). I pass on canned peas
> and carrots.
>
(snippage)
>
> I didn't even know what a Le Sueur pea was until a week ago when I
> also saw a can of Le Sueur carrots. Curiosity finally go the better
> of me and I looked them up. It's unlikely I will try them since they
> only come canned rather than frozen (or fresh). I pass on canned peas
> and carrots.
>
> -sw
>
I never had anything but canned green peas when I was growing up. For
the longest time I thought I hated peas. It didn't matter what the
brand was. I found out I *like* peas when I tasted fresh peas around
the age of 30. Frozen baby peas are fine, too. Canned peas, still no
thank you.
Jill
merryb
Sep 24, 2013, 10:23:08 PM9/24/13
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John Kuthe
Sep 24, 2013, 10:25:50 PM9/24/13
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Caviar ain't all it's cracked up to be. It's just fish eggs!
John Kuthe...
Julie Bove
Sep 25, 2013, 12:20:09 AM9/25/13
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"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> I didn't even know what a Le Sueur pea was until a week ago when I
> also saw a can of Le Sueur carrots. Curiosity finally go the better
> of me and I looked them up. It's unlikely I will try them since they
> only come canned rather than frozen (or fresh). I pass on canned peas
> and carrots.
>
> That is, unless somebody who tastes I trust says I am missing out on
> some sort of gustatory epiphany. (and they aren't from Minnesota).
Julie Bove
Sep 25, 2013, 12:22:58 AM9/25/13
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> I happen to enjoy canned vegetables and Le Sueur is the caviar of
> canned peas... occasionally I treat myself, they are pricy for a
> canned veggie. Le Sueurs are about half the size of ordinary peas and
> are much firmer than typical canned peas. Of course people with the
> mind set that all canned veggies are toxic probably won't
> like/appreciate them... me, when I feel like a snack I'll reach for
> canned veggies before I will a candy bar.
> http://www.greengiant.com/pages/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=18
I'm with you there but I generally have green beans or kidney beans. I will
buy some Le Sueur now just to try them since you said they are good!
> I happen to enjoy canned vegetables and Le Sueur is the caviar of
> canned peas... occasionally I treat myself, they are pricy for a
> canned veggie. Le Sueurs are about half the size of ordinary peas and
> are much firmer than typical canned peas. Of course people with the
> mind set that all canned veggies are toxic probably won't
> like/appreciate them... me, when I feel like a snack I'll reach for
> canned veggies before I will a candy bar.
> http://www.greengiant.com/pages/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=18
buy some Le Sueur now just to try them since you said they are good!
Julie Bove
Sep 25, 2013, 12:23:31 AM9/25/13
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"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:26:56 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>>>Sqwertz wrote:
>
>>>> That is, unless somebody who's tastes I trust says I am missing out on
>>>> some sort of gustatory epiphany. (and they aren't from Minnesota).
>
>
>> I happen to enjoy canned vegetables and Le Sueur is the caviar of
>> canned peas...
>
> There's a negative endorsement if I ever heard one. Anybody else?
>> canned peas...
>
Well, I do enjoy *some* canned veggies. I will look for those and report
back.
Julie Bove
Sep 25, 2013, 12:26:23 AM9/25/13
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although I won't turn them down. Just prefer the other. I will say that
canned bear no resemblance to fresh though.
Julie Bove
Sep 25, 2013, 12:42:17 AM9/25/13
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expired food or... A large package of something that there was no way we
could possibly eat before it went bad.
I do stockpile. I have to. When something is on sale for cheap, that is
the time to stock up. But... I try not to buy tons of whatever it is, if
it is perishable, like yogurt. Or if it is something that is frequently on
sale, again like yogurt.
I do have a much better system for my stockpile now. I have my Lazy Susan
organized so that there are only maybe 2-3 cans of each kind of food. That
being soup, vegetables and fruit. I also keep things like pickles, mustard
and salad dressing there. When the cupboard isn't crowded, things don't
fall to they back of it and get lost. Now that's my cupboard. The
stockpile is in the garage.
The stockpile is on a metal shelving unit. Since we had the rat problem, I
will only put canned and jarred things there but I try not to put class jars
because if they fall and break, the mess is hard to clean up. Currently I
have green beans, peas, corn, potatoes, beets, asst. beans, tomato products,
olives and some oil. Also soda pop and boxes of milk. I have plenty at the
moment so only add to the pile if I see an outstanding price on something.
And I check through what is there before I put the new stuff away. If I do
see anything that is going to be expiring in the next three months (or
sooner), then it goes next to the stove and that's what I plan to work into
our dinner.
I am keeping less canned meats now. I forgot that there is some meat out
there as well as faux canned meat for the winter. But husband doesn't much
like canned meat so if I do get a deal on that, it will go to the food bank.
Will probably also send some of what I have there as well as the tuna,
perhaps saving a can or two. Husband isn't big into tuna either.
I am doing well with my pasta cupboard. Used up all of the older rice.
Have some expired dried beans but they're not badly expired and I know that
means little with beans. I did go crazy wild on buying pasta though and
need to use some up. And annoyed with Amazon for sending me the case of
whole wheat mac and cheese that expired in Dec. We can't eat that all by
then.
The trick is to keep enough stock to get you through the winter and/or lean
times and to keep checking and weeding out the older stuff before it goes
bad.
Julie Bove
Sep 25, 2013, 12:46:04 AM9/25/13
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I am not 100% sure about the time you say- the 1 time I had a pretty bad
episode of it happened in 3-4 hours. It was from the Chinese Express hot
deli at Safeway. It could have been something I ate previously, but no one
else got it, and I was the only one who ate the Chinese crap. I was glad it
only lasted about 4 hours, but it was nasty...
I think it depends on what bug got you. My SIL had a habit of leaving her
groceries out in the hot kitchen instead of putting them away right away.
That's not good! Then she had some deli meat (the kind that they slice for
you) that had an expiration date of the day before. She ate a sandwich,
laughing about it at the time and saying that it wouldn't make her sick.
Now I don't know exact time frame but I'd say maybe 2 hours later, she was
in the bathroom. She got so sick that we had to cancel our dinner
reservations for later that night.
Helpful person
Sep 25, 2013, 9:10:40 AM9/25/13
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On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:25:50 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> Caviar ain't all it's cracked up to be. It's just fish eggs!
>
> John Kuthe...
And I suppose Foie Gras is just liver.
>
> Caviar ain't all it's cracked up to be. It's just fish eggs!
>
> John Kuthe...
http://www.richardfisher.com
John Kuthe
Sep 25, 2013, 9:15:05 AM9/25/13
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John Kuthe...
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Nunya Bidnits
Sep 25, 2013, 11:30:45 AM9/25/13
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Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 9/24/2013 3:42 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> That's not to say that they retain full potency though. There is a
>> need for precision with prescription meds where there is not with
>> food. The point of expiration is supposedly based on deterioration of
>> the particular drug. I don't know whether it's actually that detailed
>> in practice. If you take a critical drug, you want it to have the
>> proper potency. OTOH in a case like that most people wouldn't have
>> years-old supplies laying around.
>
> Sure, but how much, if any, potency is lost depends a lot on
> controllable storage conditions. My 1999 oxycodone worked as well as
> it did during very severe post op pain the day it was filled.
That's one anecdotal example but there are many meds that deteriorate
quickly regardless of storage. I suppose one can retard spoilage somewhat by
vacuum packing but that's sheer conjecture.
>
> We're throwing away an awful lot of drugs into landfills and waterways
> and polluting our environment and bodies for no reason, too.
>
> Susan
Many pharmacies offer a recycle service for drugs that are expired or no
longer needed.
MartyB
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 9/24/2013 3:42 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> That's not to say that they retain full potency though. There is a
>> need for precision with prescription meds where there is not with
>> food. The point of expiration is supposedly based on deterioration of
>> the particular drug. I don't know whether it's actually that detailed
>> in practice. If you take a critical drug, you want it to have the
>> proper potency. OTOH in a case like that most people wouldn't have
>> years-old supplies laying around.
>
> Sure, but how much, if any, potency is lost depends a lot on
> controllable storage conditions. My 1999 oxycodone worked as well as
> it did during very severe post op pain the day it was filled.
That's one anecdotal example but there are many meds that deteriorate
quickly regardless of storage. I suppose one can retard spoilage somewhat by
vacuum packing but that's sheer conjecture.
>
> We're throwing away an awful lot of drugs into landfills and waterways
> and polluting our environment and bodies for no reason, too.
>
> Susan
Many pharmacies offer a recycle service for drugs that are expired or no
longer needed.
MartyB
Brooklyn1
Sep 25, 2013, 11:37:10 AM9/25/13
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jmcquown wrote:
>
>I never had anything but canned green peas when I was growing up. For
>the longest time I thought I hated peas. It didn't matter what the
>brand was. I found out I *like* peas when I tasted fresh peas around
>the age of 30. Frozen baby peas are fine, too. Canned peas, still no
>thank you.
Do you like pea soup... other than cost there is no difference between
>
>I never had anything but canned green peas when I was growing up. For
>the longest time I thought I hated peas. It didn't matter what the
>brand was. I found out I *like* peas when I tasted fresh peas around
>the age of 30. Frozen baby peas are fine, too. Canned peas, still no
>thank you.
pea soup made with dried peas or canned peas... canned peas cost more
to buy but require far less prep time.
Brooklyn1
Sep 25, 2013, 12:05:30 PM9/25/13
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"Julie Bove" wrote:
>"Janet Bostwick" wrote:
Like you forget about your past life as an entertainer, the real Julie
Bove:
http://xhamster.com/movies/683675/jennie_lee_the_great_bazoom_granny.html
>"Janet Bostwick" wrote:
>>Kalmia wrote:
>>
>> Stockpiling food is not the problem -- not paying attention to stuff
>> and being lazy is. Negligence and laziness exist outside of stock
>> piling.
>
>Sometimes I forget.
>>
>> Stockpiling food is not the problem -- not paying attention to stuff
>> and being lazy is. Negligence and laziness exist outside of stock
>> piling.
>
Like you forget about your past life as an entertainer, the real Julie
Bove:
http://xhamster.com/movies/683675/jennie_lee_the_great_bazoom_granny.html
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jmcquown
Sep 25, 2013, 12:08:42 PM9/25/13
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it is still a major dislike from childhood. They were too soft and
mushy. My father liked canned creamed peas. We kids weren't forced to
eat it after taking one bite. I doubt I'll ever like canned creamed peas.
I don't mind prep-time when it comes to making soup. Especially not pea
or bean soup. It's easy enough to soak (or quick soak) dried beans or
peas. Meanwhile, organize the other ingredients. Chop, saute,
whatever. Then make soup. When I make soup I'm usually not in a rush. :)
Jill
Nunya Bidnits
Sep 25, 2013, 12:24:03 PM9/25/13
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> On 9/25/2013 11:30 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>>
>> Many pharmacies offer a recycle service for drugs that are expired or
>> no longer needed.
> And where do you think they take them afterward?
>>
>> Many pharmacies offer a recycle service for drugs that are expired or
>> no longer needed.
Do you have some inside knowledge about that?
>
> Hospitals and nursing homes are flushing them down toilets into the
> water supply.
Can you cite?
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Brooklyn1
Sep 25, 2013, 12:32:42 PM9/25/13
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Susan wrote:
>Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> That's not to say that they retain full potency though. There is a
>> need for precision with prescription meds where there is not with
>> food. The point of expiration is supposedly based on deterioration of
>> the particular drug. I don't know whether it's actually that detailed
>> in practice. If you take a critical drug, you want it to have the
>> proper potency. OTOH in a case like that most people wouldn't have
>> years-old supplies laying around.
>
>Sure, but how much, if any, potency is lost depends a lot on
>controllable storage conditions. My 1999 oxycodone worked as well as it
>did during very severe post op pain the day it was filled.
All drugs deteriorate over time even when properly stored. And you
>Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> That's not to say that they retain full potency though. There is a
>> need for precision with prescription meds where there is not with
>> food. The point of expiration is supposedly based on deterioration of
>> the particular drug. I don't know whether it's actually that detailed
>> in practice. If you take a critical drug, you want it to have the
>> proper potency. OTOH in a case like that most people wouldn't have
>> years-old supplies laying around.
>
>Sure, but how much, if any, potency is lost depends a lot on
>controllable storage conditions. My 1999 oxycodone worked as well as it
>did during very severe post op pain the day it was filled.
don't know that your oxycodone worked as well, it numbs your brain so
you can't feel much... many expired drugs still work for their
intended purpose but deteriorzation increases side effects and or
causes chemical changes that cause new side effects. Drugs should
neither be stockpiled, saved past their expiration date, or
shared[period]
>We're throwing away an awful lot of drugs into landfills and waterways
>and polluting our environment and bodies for no reason, too.
unfortunately many drugs are stockpiled, especially oxycodone.
Drug disposal is no different from disposing other pollutants like
petroleum products, insecticides, etc., they need to be disposed of
properly... expired drugs should be brought to your pharmacy or doctor
or any medical facility for disposal, in the US by law they have to
accept them. I bring expired drugs to my doctor's office, often I
bring drugs that haven't expired but I no longer use... if unopened
the doctor can dispense them to patients who may not be able to afford
them... a pharmacy is prohibited from dispensing such drugs, they must
be disposed of.
sf
Sep 25, 2013, 12:39:02 PM9/25/13
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On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:55:34 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> I never had anything but canned green peas when I was growing up. For
> the longest time I thought I hated peas. It didn't matter what the
> brand was. I found out I *like* peas when I tasted fresh peas around
> the age of 30. Frozen baby peas are fine, too. Canned peas, still no
> thank you.
For me, it was canned peas and peas fresh from my grandfather's
garden. Didn't like either one. My attitude changed when petit peas
hit the market. I like those, but still hate the huge ones.
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Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
wrote:
> I never had anything but canned green peas when I was growing up. For
> the longest time I thought I hated peas. It didn't matter what the
> brand was. I found out I *like* peas when I tasted fresh peas around
> the age of 30. Frozen baby peas are fine, too. Canned peas, still no
> thank you.
garden. Didn't like either one. My attitude changed when petit peas
hit the market. I like those, but still hate the huge ones.
--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
Brooklyn1
Sep 25, 2013, 12:49:21 PM9/25/13
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>On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:25:50 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> Caviar ain't all it's cracked up to be. It's just fish eggs!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>And I suppose Foie Gras is just liver.
What few taste buds/brain cells Kuthe has are all in his ass. Not
>>
>> Caviar ain't all it's cracked up to be. It's just fish eggs!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
>And I suppose Foie Gras is just liver.
many shovel in cavier like mashed taters. But fish roe is a wonderful
ultra gourmet food... whenever I prepare fish stock and the fish
monger has any I'll take all he's got, I simmer the roe sacs too,
cook's treat. What Kuthe knows about food is less than the Ronald
McDonald Clown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe
Brooklyn1
Sep 25, 2013, 1:02:41 PM9/25/13
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"Julie Bove" wrote:
>
>"Sqwertz" wrote:
>
>> I didn't even know what a Le Sueur pea was until a week ago.
favorite vegetable don't expect to be impressed. I like canned peas,
I like most canned vegetbles, I almost always eat them cold directly
from the can... I have a can of Silver Floss Bavarian Style Sauerkraut
I'm toying with having for lunch with some of the Hillshire kielbasa
and beans I cooked for dinner yesterday, I'll eat that cold too... I
don't often reheat left overs, I prefer most left over cooked meats
cold.
>
>"Sqwertz" wrote:
>
>> I didn't even know what a Le Sueur pea was until a week ago.
>
>I have seen them but don't think I've ever tried them.
They're canned peas, pretty good canned peas, but if peas are not your
>I have seen them but don't think I've ever tried them.
favorite vegetable don't expect to be impressed. I like canned peas,
I like most canned vegetbles, I almost always eat them cold directly
from the can... I have a can of Silver Floss Bavarian Style Sauerkraut
I'm toying with having for lunch with some of the Hillshire kielbasa
and beans I cooked for dinner yesterday, I'll eat that cold too... I
don't often reheat left overs, I prefer most left over cooked meats
cold.
Gregory Morrow
Sep 25, 2013, 2:35:30 PM9/25/13
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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>
>
> > Some of us Olde Queens refer to Le Seur products as "Joan Crawford
>
> > peas" or whatever..."Lucille Le Seur" was Crawford's real name...
>
> > Don't ya LUV my "contributions" here, Steve...???
>
>
>
> I'm speechless again.
Our Brit friends would say "gobsmacked", Steve...
> It was Lucille Fay LeSueur. What does that translate to... "The
>
> sewer"?
Nope, it means "No more wire hangers - EVER...!!!"
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> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>
>
> > Some of us Olde Queens refer to Le Seur products as "Joan Crawford
>
> > peas" or whatever..."Lucille Le Seur" was Crawford's real name...
>
> > Don't ya LUV my "contributions" here, Steve...???
>
>
>
Our Brit friends would say "gobsmacked", Steve...
> It was Lucille Fay LeSueur. What does that translate to... "The
>
> sewer"?
Nope, it means "No more wire hangers - EVER...!!!"
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Greg
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Ophelia
Sep 25, 2013, 3:30:39 PM9/25/13
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"Gregory Morrow" <gregor...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Some of us Olde Queens refer to Le Seur products as "Joan Crawford
>>
>> > peas" or whatever..."Lucille Le Seur" was Crawford's real name...
>>
>> > Don't ya LUV my "contributions" here, Steve...???
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm speechless again.
>
>
> Our Brit friends would say "gobsmacked", Steve...
Um speechless is fine:)) Although "gobsmacked" is not unknown <g>
>
>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:16:44 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Some of us Olde Queens refer to Le Seur products as "Joan Crawford
>>
>> > peas" or whatever..."Lucille Le Seur" was Crawford's real name...
>>
>> > Don't ya LUV my "contributions" here, Steve...???
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm speechless again.
>
>
> Our Brit friends would say "gobsmacked", Steve...
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Gary
Sep 25, 2013, 4:33:26 PM9/25/13
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> I like most canned vegetbles, I almost always eat them cold directly
> from the can...
And no doubt with a plastic disposable spork. ;)
>
> I like most canned vegetbles, I almost always eat them cold directly
> from the can...
G.
Cheryl
Sep 25, 2013, 6:19:13 PM9/25/13
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On 9/25/2013 10:57 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/video/2009/aug/03/butchery-lamb
>
> There is an affirmed fetish that usually involves men wanting to be
> slaughtered and eaten by female butchers. And visa versa. Several
> incidents have mad headlines in the past decade.
It was funny watching that with the sound off. She sure talks a lot.
And using the (band?) saw to cut steaks without goggles? Whatta woman!
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> http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/video/2009/aug/03/butchery-lamb
>
> There is an affirmed fetish that usually involves men wanting to be
> slaughtered and eaten by female butchers. And visa versa. Several
> incidents have mad headlines in the past decade.
It was funny watching that with the sound off. She sure talks a lot.
And using the (band?) saw to cut steaks without goggles? Whatta woman!
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Cheryl
Sep 25, 2013, 6:27:43 PM9/25/13
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On 9/24/2013 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> :( How will you be able to tell? Could any of those things have
> triggered the IBS?
>
>
Probably the fat content.
>
> :( How will you be able to tell? Could any of those things have
> triggered the IBS?
>
>
Probably the fat content.
Cheryl
Sep 25, 2013, 6:46:03 PM9/25/13
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On 9/25/2013 11:30 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>
>
> Many pharmacies offer a recycle service for drugs that are expired or no
> longer needed.
The county in which I live offers drop off for old prescription
> longer needed.
medicines, too.
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Michel Boucher
Sep 25, 2013, 7:15:29 PM9/25/13
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John J <Jo...@invalid.net> wrote in
news:i9f44990kubfhqn25...@4ax.com:
>>> Some of us Olde Queens refer to Le Seur products as "Joan
>>> Crawford peas" or whatever..."Lucille Le Seur" was
>>> Crawford's real name... Don't ya LUV my "contributions"
>>> here, Steve...???
>>
>>I'm speechless again.
>>
In Canada, the brand Le Sieur (literally, the lord) has been used
since at least 1964,[4] instead of Le Sueur, presumably to avoid
the implications of the French word sueur 'sweat'.
http://lifemadedelicious.ca/en/product-pantry-old/green-
giant/canned-vegetables/lesieur-peas
http://tinyurl.com/p6tm4ke
Le Sueur means "he who sweats"
--
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from happening.
-- Barbara Tober
news:i9f44990kubfhqn25...@4ax.com:
>>> Some of us Olde Queens refer to Le Seur products as "Joan
>>> Crawford peas" or whatever..."Lucille Le Seur" was
>>> Crawford's real name... Don't ya LUV my "contributions"
>>> here, Steve...???
>>
>>I'm speechless again.
>>
>>It was Lucille Fay LeSueur. What does that translate to...
>>"The sewer"?
>
> Lucy the Sweater
>>"The sewer"?
>
In Canada, the brand Le Sieur (literally, the lord) has been used
since at least 1964,[4] instead of Le Sueur, presumably to avoid
the implications of the French word sueur 'sweat'.
http://lifemadedelicious.ca/en/product-pantry-old/green-
giant/canned-vegetables/lesieur-peas
http://tinyurl.com/p6tm4ke
Le Sueur means "he who sweats"
--
Traditions are group efforts to keep the unexpected
from happening.
-- Barbara Tober
Janet Bostwick
Sep 25, 2013, 11:28:42 PM9/25/13
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On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:15:29 -0500, Michel Boucher
<alsa...@g.mail.com> wrote:
>John J <Jo...@invalid.net> wrote in
>news:i9f44990kubfhqn25...@4ax.com:
>
>>>> Some of us Olde Queens refer to Le Seur products as "Joan
>>>> Crawford peas" or whatever..."Lucille Le Seur" was
>>>> Crawford's real name... Don't ya LUV my "contributions"
>>>> here, Steve...???
>>>
>>>I'm speechless again.
>>>
>>>It was Lucille Fay LeSueur. What does that translate to...
>>>"The sewer"?
>>
>> Lucy the Sweater
>
>In Canada, the brand Le Sieur (literally, the lord) has been used
>since at least 1964,[4] instead of Le Sueur, presumably to avoid
>the implications of the French word sueur 'sweat'.
>
>http://lifemadedelicious.ca/en/product-pantry-old/green-
>giant/canned-vegetables/lesieur-peas
>
>http://tinyurl.com/p6tm4ke
>
>Le Sueur means "he who sweats"
Le Sueur peas are grown in Minnesota, presumably LeSueur county, named
<alsa...@g.mail.com> wrote:
>John J <Jo...@invalid.net> wrote in
>news:i9f44990kubfhqn25...@4ax.com:
>
>>>> Some of us Olde Queens refer to Le Seur products as "Joan
>>>> Crawford peas" or whatever..."Lucille Le Seur" was
>>>> Crawford's real name... Don't ya LUV my "contributions"
>>>> here, Steve...???
>>>
>>>I'm speechless again.
>>>
>>>It was Lucille Fay LeSueur. What does that translate to...
>>>"The sewer"?
>>
>> Lucy the Sweater
>
>In Canada, the brand Le Sieur (literally, the lord) has been used
>since at least 1964,[4] instead of Le Sueur, presumably to avoid
>the implications of the French word sueur 'sweat'.
>
>http://lifemadedelicious.ca/en/product-pantry-old/green-
>giant/canned-vegetables/lesieur-peas
>
>http://tinyurl.com/p6tm4ke
>
>Le Sueur means "he who sweats"
after the French explorer LeSueur, In early European history, the
explorer's forebear probably had a task as a smith (a very sweaty job)
and got his name that way.
Janet US
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Sep 26, 2013, 4:43:53 AM9/26/13
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> On 9/24/2013 4:20 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>>
>> :( How will you be able to tell? Could any of those things have
>> triggered the IBS?
>>
>>
> Probably the fat content.
:(
>
>>
>> :( How will you be able to tell? Could any of those things have
>> triggered the IBS?
>>
>>
> Probably the fat content.
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Sep 26, 2013, 9:18:25 AM9/26/13
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Janet Bostwick <nos...@cableone.net> wrote in
news:48a749dsc3n3sujn5...@4ax.com:
>>Le Sueur means "he who sweats"
>
> Le Sueur peas are grown in Minnesota, presumably LeSueur
> county, named after the French explorer LeSueur, In early
> European history, the explorer's forebear probably had a task
> as a smith (a very sweaty job) and got his name that way.
Or he had a glandular condition but the answer is not to be found
in sweat. The family Le Sueur ranks 85759th in French families.
The name is derived from the latin sutor (and not sudor) for "one
who sews" and by entension applied to leatherworkers (cordonniers).
http://www.123genealogie.com/nom-de-famille/lesueur.html
news:48a749dsc3n3sujn5...@4ax.com:
>>Le Sueur means "he who sweats"
>
> Le Sueur peas are grown in Minnesota, presumably LeSueur
> county, named after the French explorer LeSueur, In early
> European history, the explorer's forebear probably had a task
> as a smith (a very sweaty job) and got his name that way.
in sweat. The family Le Sueur ranks 85759th in French families.
The name is derived from the latin sutor (and not sudor) for "one
who sews" and by entension applied to leatherworkers (cordonniers).
http://www.123genealogie.com/nom-de-famille/lesueur.html
Nunya Bidnits
Sep 26, 2013, 9:31:53 AM9/26/13
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> On 9/25/2013 12:24 PM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> And where do you think they take them afterward?
>>
>> Do you have some inside knowledge about that?
>
> Nothing that hasn't been widely reported in the media.
>> And where do you think they take them afterward?
>>
>> Do you have some inside knowledge about that?
>
>>
>>>
>>> Hospitals and nursing homes are flushing them down toilets into the
>>> water supply.
>>
>> Can you cite?
>
> See above. It's standard procedure. My MIL's assisted living does
>>>
>>> Hospitals and nursing homes are flushing them down toilets into the
>>> water supply.
>>
>> Can you cite?
>
> it. Ill advised, not illegal here.
>
> They don't send them to Mars, yannow. :-)
>
> Susan
I don't know that it's standard procedure for hospitals and nursing homes to
flush unused drugs down the toilet. That's why I asked for a cite. There are
actually a number of ways to dispose of such things. I suppose if I had more
time I'd call a local hospital and ask but I don't have time this week.
Laws, regulations, and SOPs may differ considerably based on your location.
MartyB
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Sep 26, 2013, 11:33:14 AM9/26/13
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Or I try to get my meat off the cart rolled out by
> my favorite meat lady with her top blouse buttons opened.
I like when that happens. ;)
G.
>
> Or I try to get my meat off the cart rolled out by
> my favorite meat lady with her top blouse buttons opened.
I like when that happens. ;)
G.
Gary
Sep 26, 2013, 11:38:54 AM9/26/13
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
> pea soup made with dried peas or canned peas... canned peas cost more
> to buy but require far less prep time.
I do like canned peas occasionally. They're mushy and good in that
way. I've never used them for pea soup though. So easy to make from
dried split peas (and those do NOT have to be presoaked like other
beans do).
Whenever I make it, I use an old Fresh Market recipe that calls for no
pork flavoring at all. It's good and you don't even miss the animal
flavor. It's a vegatarian split pea recipe. I can post it if anyone
might be interested. Trust me, you won't miss the ham flavoring. It's
that good.
G.
>
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >I never had anything but canned green peas when I was growing up. For
> >the longest time I thought I hated peas. It didn't matter what the
> >brand was. I found out I *like* peas when I tasted fresh peas around
> >the age of 30. Frozen baby peas are fine, too. Canned peas, still no
> >thank you.
>
> Do you like pea soup... other than cost there is no difference between
> jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >I never had anything but canned green peas when I was growing up. For
> >the longest time I thought I hated peas. It didn't matter what the
> >brand was. I found out I *like* peas when I tasted fresh peas around
> >the age of 30. Frozen baby peas are fine, too. Canned peas, still no
> >thank you.
>
> pea soup made with dried peas or canned peas... canned peas cost more
> to buy but require far less prep time.
I do like canned peas occasionally. They're mushy and good in that
way. I've never used them for pea soup though. So easy to make from
dried split peas (and those do NOT have to be presoaked like other
beans do).
Whenever I make it, I use an old Fresh Market recipe that calls for no
pork flavoring at all. It's good and you don't even miss the animal
flavor. It's a vegatarian split pea recipe. I can post it if anyone
might be interested. Trust me, you won't miss the ham flavoring. It's
that good.
G.
Ophelia
Sep 26, 2013, 11:44:19 AM9/26/13
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Sep 26, 2013, 1:54:38 PM9/26/13
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Steve wrote:
> I just ate a can of peas from yesteryear - just drained them and
>
> poured them down my maw.
>
>
>
> They actually weren't bad if you haven't eaten for almost a day. I
>
> see some Sweater Peas in my near future.
Heehee, Steve...
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>
> poured them down my maw.
>
>
>
> They actually weren't bad if you haven't eaten for almost a day. I
>
> see some Sweater Peas in my near future.
Heehee, Steve...
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Brooklyn1
Sep 26, 2013, 2:32:53 PM9/26/13
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On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:38:54 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> >
>> >I never had anything but canned green peas when I was growing up. For
>> >the longest time I thought I hated peas. It didn't matter what the
>> >brand was. I found out I *like* peas when I tasted fresh peas around
>> >the age of 30. Frozen baby peas are fine, too. Canned peas, still no
>> >thank you.
>>
>> Do you like pea soup... other than cost there is no difference between
>> pea soup made with dried peas or canned peas... canned peas cost more
>> to buy but require far less prep time.
>
>I do like canned peas occasionally. They're mushy and good in that
>way. I've never used them for pea soup though. So easy to make from
>dried split peas.
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> >
>> >I never had anything but canned green peas when I was growing up. For
>> >the longest time I thought I hated peas. It didn't matter what the
>> >brand was. I found out I *like* peas when I tasted fresh peas around
>> >the age of 30. Frozen baby peas are fine, too. Canned peas, still no
>> >thank you.
>>
>> Do you like pea soup... other than cost there is no difference between
>> pea soup made with dried peas or canned peas... canned peas cost more
>> to buy but require far less prep time.
>
>I do like canned peas occasionally. They're mushy and good in that
>way. I've never used them for pea soup though. So easy to make from
Sometimes all I want is a single bowl of pea soup... canned peas can
be made into pea soup in a few minutes... and will be better than a
can of Campbells pea soup... add a shake of dehy mashed spuds, some
dehy herbs and a bit of Goya ham base if you like... heat and mash (I
have a potato masher that's more of a ricer, I use it for bean soup
too using canned beans).
Julie Bove
Sep 26, 2013, 4:52:07 PM9/26/13
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Jean B.
Sep 26, 2013, 10:25:31 PM9/26/13
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Susan wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
> widely reported. If you're too lazy to do that, then you're not
> intererested enough for me to bother.
>
> Susan
That is an exceedingly unwise practice. I gather water filtering does
not removes such things from the water. I also hear it is affecting
animals.
--
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> x-no-archive: yes
>
> On 9/26/2013 9:31 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> I don't know that it's standard procedure for hospitals and nursing
>> homes to flush unused drugs down the toilet.
> You don't need a scientific peer reviewed citation to look up what's
> On 9/26/2013 9:31 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
>> I don't know that it's standard procedure for hospitals and nursing
>> homes to flush unused drugs down the toilet.
> widely reported. If you're too lazy to do that, then you're not
> intererested enough for me to bother.
>
> Susan
That is an exceedingly unwise practice. I gather water filtering does
not removes such things from the water. I also hear it is affecting
animals.
--
Jean B.
Julie Bove
Sep 26, 2013, 10:55:04 PM9/26/13
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Bought one silver can for $1.99. Heated slightly but like Sheldon, daughter
and I usually prefer stuff straight from the can. Gave some to daughter
first. Her opinion? "Uh... They're okay." She and husband are both sick
with some sort of respiratory thing so I likely could have fed them
anything. But the fact that she ate every pea that I gave her spoke volumes
because she doesn't really like peas.
My opinion? Very good. In fact probably the best canned peas I have ever
tasted. And I do loves me some peas? So... Superior? Yes! Not as firm
as fresh or frozen peas but also not mushy and with loose skins as you
sometimes get with canned peas. But... I can get a can of mushy and loose
skinned peas for maybe 69 cents at Winco so... That's likely what I'll
usually eat. If I do happen to find these on sale though, I will get some.
As for the cheap steak (another thread), it must be good. Husband asked for
more and more peas too. And no, he didn't get the superior ones. His are
the Target brand frozen ones butter. And I made the steak as I usually do.
Pan fried in a little olive oil. Turn off heat, top with butter, let rest.
And I was wrong about the seasoning. It was seasoned on both sides. So...
Win, win for dinner.
Bought one silver can for $1.99. Heated slightly but like Sheldon, daughter
and I usually prefer stuff straight from the can. Gave some to daughter
first. Her opinion? "Uh... They're okay." She and husband are both sick
with some sort of respiratory thing so I likely could have fed them
anything. But the fact that she ate every pea that I gave her spoke volumes
because she doesn't really like peas.
My opinion? Very good. In fact probably the best canned peas I have ever
tasted. And I do loves me some peas? So... Superior? Yes! Not as firm
as fresh or frozen peas but also not mushy and with loose skins as you
sometimes get with canned peas. But... I can get a can of mushy and loose
skinned peas for maybe 69 cents at Winco so... That's likely what I'll
usually eat. If I do happen to find these on sale though, I will get some.
As for the cheap steak (another thread), it must be good. Husband asked for
more and more peas too. And no, he didn't get the superior ones. His are
the Target brand frozen ones butter. And I made the steak as I usually do.
Pan fried in a little olive oil. Turn off heat, top with butter, let rest.
And I was wrong about the seasoning. It was seasoned on both sides. So...
Win, win for dinner.
Ed Pawlowski
Sep 26, 2013, 11:50:45 PM9/26/13
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On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 08:31:53 -0500, "Nunya Bidnits"
<nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
>I don't know that it's standard procedure for hospitals and nursing homes to
>flush unused drugs down the toilet. That's why I asked for a cite. There are
>actually a number of ways to dispose of such things. I suppose if I had more
>time I'd call a local hospital and ask but I don't have time this week.
>Laws, regulations, and SOPs may differ considerably based on your location.
>
>MartyB
Flushing not usually recommended and may be forbidden. The laws will
<nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
>I don't know that it's standard procedure for hospitals and nursing homes to
>flush unused drugs down the toilet. That's why I asked for a cite. There are
>actually a number of ways to dispose of such things. I suppose if I had more
>time I'd call a local hospital and ask but I don't have time this week.
>Laws, regulations, and SOPs may differ considerably based on your location.
>
>MartyB
vary by state, but MA wants you to put them in the trash.
http://www.mass.gov/dep/toxics/stypes/medshome.pdf
FDA says trash, but some can be flushed and they have a list of them
http://www.fda.gov/drugs/resourcesforyou/consumers/buyingusingmedicinesafely/ensuringsafeuseofmedicine/safedisposalofmedicines/ucm186187.htm
Julie Bove
Sep 27, 2013, 12:48:48 AM9/27/13
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can find it here once in a while and I have seen it online but it's not
cheap.
The Cook
Sep 27, 2013, 6:51:06 AM9/27/13
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department. I also talked to a nurse yesterday and she said the
hospitals, etc used to flush them but not any more.
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48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
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Janet
Sep 27, 2013, 8:40:17 AM9/27/13
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In article <jfoa49t4i5cb3ueid...@4ax.com>, susan_r23666
@yahoo.com says...
> I discovered yesterday that we can take unused meds to the police
> department. I also talked to a nurse yesterday and she said the
> hospitals, etc used to flush them but not any more.
We can donate ours to a charity
http://www.intercare.org.uk/donate-medicines
Janet UK
@yahoo.com says...
> I discovered yesterday that we can take unused meds to the police
> department. I also talked to a nurse yesterday and she said the
> hospitals, etc used to flush them but not any more.
http://www.intercare.org.uk/donate-medicines
Janet UK
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Sep 27, 2013, 10:27:52 AM9/27/13
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"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote in
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> There is a Canadian canned pea soup (name escapes me) that is
> quite good. I can find it here once in a while and I have
> seen it online but it's not cheap.
Habitant
news:l232ni$fbr$1...@dont-email.me:
> There is a Canadian canned pea soup (name escapes me) that is
> quite good. I can find it here once in a while and I have
> seen it online but it's not cheap.
Janet Bostwick
Sep 27, 2013, 10:49:35 AM9/27/13
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>On 9/27/2013 6:51 AM, The Cook wrote:
>> I discovered yesterday that we can take unused meds to the police
>> department. I also talked to a nurse yesterday and she said the
>> hospitals, etc used to flush them but not any more.
>> --
>It's not true, many do.
>> I discovered yesterday that we can take unused meds to the police
>> department. I also talked to a nurse yesterday and she said the
>> hospitals, etc used to flush them but not any more.
>> --
>
>Where do you think the police put them?
>
>In land fills, where they filter down to the aquifers, mostly.
>
>Susan
current landfills are prepared before dumping is allowed. The
landfills are excavated and lined with special liners. Test wells are
installed to monitor seepage and water quality.
http://www.epa.gov/osw/nonhaz/municipal/landfill.htm
or
http://tinyurl.com/6oy7bef
Our city has just opened a new landfill area. It is a vast dug-out
space totally lined with some sort of fabric. There are special
machines and equipment that unroll these enormous fabric rolls.
Janet US
Gary
Sep 27, 2013, 10:52:09 AM9/27/13
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Ophelia wrote:
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > Whenever I make it, (pea soup) I use an old Fresh Market recipe that calls for no
though. ;)
I suggest trying it just as written the first time. It's very good
and the only way I make it these days.
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Split Pea Soup with Sweet Potato (or Butternut Squash)
=====================================================================
1 16oz package of dried green split peas
9 cups water
3 bay leaves
1 tsp. salt
Simmer these, covered, in a soup pot for about 2 hours until peas
have cooked down to a smooth consistancy. Remove the bay leaves.
**note - you don't have to pre-soak the peas**
----------------------------------------------
Prepare the following:
3 T. vegetable oil
1 1/2 cups chopped onion
1 clove garlic, minced
1 cup carrot, chopped
1 cup celery, chopped
4 medium sweet potatoes (or 1 medium butternut squash),
...peeled and cut into 1/4" - 1/2" cubes
1 tsp. salt (or leave this out if you prefer)
2 tsp. dried mustard
1 tsp. thyme
1 tsp. tarragon
In a large skillet, saute the onions and garlic in the oil.
When the onions are tender, add all the remaining vegetables
and spices. Saute for 4-5 minutes, then add 1 cup of water
and let simmer, covered, until the vegetables are tender.
Add the vegetables to the cooked peas and simmer for 30 minutes,
stirring often.
After serving, add a little salt and fresh ground pepper to taste
=====================================================================
You can eat this right away or let it sit awhile (or overnight) and
it will thicken more. (I never wait!!!)
This recipe makes about a gallon of soup. What we don't eat
in 2 or 3 days, I freeze in serving-size containers.
Here's the nutritional info for the total batch using sweet potatoes.
Slightly less calories if you use the butternut squash instead.
Fat: 43 grams
Carbohydrates: 435 grams
Protein: 124 grams
Total calories: 2,121 (18% fat calories)
(remember that info is for the whole gallon batch, not individual
servings)
This soup _really does_ rule! Give it a try sometime!!! :-D
This recipe came from the first Fresh Market cookbook back circa 1990
or so.
G.
>
> "Gary" wrote:
> > Whenever I make it, (pea soup) I use an old Fresh Market recipe that calls for no
> > pork flavoring at all. It's good and you don't even miss the animal
> > flavor. It's a vegatarian split pea recipe. I can post it if anyone
> > might be interested. Trust me, you won't miss the ham flavoring. It's
> > that good.
>
> Yes, please. I am interested:)
Here ya go, Ophelia (and Julie). Julie will probably find fault in it
> > flavor. It's a vegatarian split pea recipe. I can post it if anyone
> > might be interested. Trust me, you won't miss the ham flavoring. It's
> > that good.
>
> Yes, please. I am interested:)
though. ;)
I suggest trying it just as written the first time. It's very good
and the only way I make it these days.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Split Pea Soup with Sweet Potato (or Butternut Squash)
=====================================================================
1 16oz package of dried green split peas
9 cups water
3 bay leaves
1 tsp. salt
Simmer these, covered, in a soup pot for about 2 hours until peas
have cooked down to a smooth consistancy. Remove the bay leaves.
**note - you don't have to pre-soak the peas**
----------------------------------------------
Prepare the following:
3 T. vegetable oil
1 1/2 cups chopped onion
1 clove garlic, minced
1 cup carrot, chopped
1 cup celery, chopped
4 medium sweet potatoes (or 1 medium butternut squash),
...peeled and cut into 1/4" - 1/2" cubes
1 tsp. salt (or leave this out if you prefer)
2 tsp. dried mustard
1 tsp. thyme
1 tsp. tarragon
In a large skillet, saute the onions and garlic in the oil.
When the onions are tender, add all the remaining vegetables
and spices. Saute for 4-5 minutes, then add 1 cup of water
and let simmer, covered, until the vegetables are tender.
Add the vegetables to the cooked peas and simmer for 30 minutes,
stirring often.
After serving, add a little salt and fresh ground pepper to taste
=====================================================================
You can eat this right away or let it sit awhile (or overnight) and
it will thicken more. (I never wait!!!)
This recipe makes about a gallon of soup. What we don't eat
in 2 or 3 days, I freeze in serving-size containers.
Here's the nutritional info for the total batch using sweet potatoes.
Slightly less calories if you use the butternut squash instead.
Fat: 43 grams
Carbohydrates: 435 grams
Protein: 124 grams
Total calories: 2,121 (18% fat calories)
(remember that info is for the whole gallon batch, not individual
servings)
This soup _really does_ rule! Give it a try sometime!!! :-D
This recipe came from the first Fresh Market cookbook back circa 1990
or so.
G.
Gary
Sep 27, 2013, 10:58:08 AM9/27/13
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Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Sometimes all I want is a single bowl of pea soup... canned peas can
> be made into pea soup in a few minutes... and will be better than a
> can of Campbells pea soup... add a shake of dehy mashed spuds, some
> dehy herbs and a bit of Goya ham base if you like... heat and mash (I
> have a potato masher that's more of a ricer,
hmmm....that does sound worth trying (in a pinch) someday. I will try
>
> Sometimes all I want is a single bowl of pea soup... canned peas can
> be made into pea soup in a few minutes... and will be better than a
> can of Campbells pea soup... add a shake of dehy mashed spuds, some
> dehy herbs and a bit of Goya ham base if you like... heat and mash (I
> have a potato masher that's more of a ricer,
this sometime soon.
G.
Ophelia
Sep 27, 2013, 11:02:16 AM9/27/13
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Gary
Sep 27, 2013, 12:15:51 PM9/27/13
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Janet wrote:
>
> susan says...
the legal purchase value. hahaha ;-D
G.
>
> susan says...
>
> > I discovered yesterday that we can take unused meds to the police
> > department. I also talked to a nurse yesterday and she said the
> > hospitals, etc used to flush them but not any more.
>
> We can donate ours to a charity
I sell mine to a druggie that I work with. Street value is about 10X
> > I discovered yesterday that we can take unused meds to the police
> > department. I also talked to a nurse yesterday and she said the
> > hospitals, etc used to flush them but not any more.
>
> We can donate ours to a charity
the legal purchase value. hahaha ;-D
G.
notbob
Sep 27, 2013, 12:38:59 PM9/27/13
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On 2013-09-24, Nunya Bidnits <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
> Medicines expire. Food does not.
An equally absurd over generalization.
I've taken pain pills that were 10 yrs old. Absolutely zero problems
other than diminished efficacy. Ask an honest pharmacist. He will
tell you that's the primary problem with outdated meds. They jes get
weaker. The old pain meds I tried, originally an oxycodone, worked no
better than a couple aspirin.
As for food, depends on the food. Anything with fats and/or starches,
inluding flour, pasta, grains, etc, exposed to oxygen will become
rancid. Is probably edible, but will taste horrible. Sealed cans are
designed to last at least 5 yrs. Ingredients may become terrible
tasting, but the can's seal is designed to keep toxins at bay, not
maintain food's flavor integrity.
I'm beginning to clear out my mom's huge pantry of ancient foods
--easily 5+ yrs old-- so will report on any edible finds. ;)
nb
> Medicines expire. Food does not.
An equally absurd over generalization.
I've taken pain pills that were 10 yrs old. Absolutely zero problems
other than diminished efficacy. Ask an honest pharmacist. He will
tell you that's the primary problem with outdated meds. They jes get
weaker. The old pain meds I tried, originally an oxycodone, worked no
better than a couple aspirin.
As for food, depends on the food. Anything with fats and/or starches,
inluding flour, pasta, grains, etc, exposed to oxygen will become
rancid. Is probably edible, but will taste horrible. Sealed cans are
designed to last at least 5 yrs. Ingredients may become terrible
tasting, but the can's seal is designed to keep toxins at bay, not
maintain food's flavor integrity.
I'm beginning to clear out my mom's huge pantry of ancient foods
--easily 5+ yrs old-- so will report on any edible finds. ;)
nb
Gary
Sep 27, 2013, 1:34:38 PM9/27/13
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notbob wrote:
>
> On 2013-09-24, Nunya Bidnits <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Medicines expire. Food does not.
>
> An equally absurd over generalization.
>
> I've taken pain pills that were 10 yrs old. Absolutely zero problems
> other than diminished efficacy. Ask an honest pharmacist. He will
> tell you that's the primary problem with outdated meds.
Very true. My pharmacist told me the exact same thing.....Most drugs
>
> On 2013-09-24, Nunya Bidnits <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Medicines expire. Food does not.
>
> An equally absurd over generalization.
>
> I've taken pain pills that were 10 yrs old. Absolutely zero problems
> other than diminished efficacy. Ask an honest pharmacist. He will
> tell you that's the primary problem with outdated meds.
don't go bad after the expiration dates, they just slowly lose
potency. Still good years later, just not as good.
G.
Brooklyn1
Sep 27, 2013, 1:56:25 PM9/27/13
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:27:52 -0500, Michel Boucher
<alsa...@g.mail.com> wrote:
>"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote in
>news:l232ni$fbr$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> There is a Canadian canned pea soup (name escapes me) that is
>> quite good. I can find it here once in a while and I have
>> seen it online but it's not cheap.
>
>Habitant
I've had that, it's yellow pea soup, not very good, high in lard and
<alsa...@g.mail.com> wrote:
>"Julie Bove" <juli...@frontier.com> wrote in
>news:l232ni$fbr$1...@dont-email.me:
>
>> There is a Canadian canned pea soup (name escapes me) that is
>> quite good. I can find it here once in a while and I have
>> seen it online but it's not cheap.
>
>Habitant
salt... and it's no more expensive than other tinned soups; about $2.
I can make much better soup from a can of peas... even canned peas
added to ramen is better than that Habitant.
Brooklyn1
Sep 27, 2013, 2:21:28 PM9/27/13
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 08:50:09 -0400, Susan <su...@nothanks.org> wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>On 9/27/2013 6:51 AM, The Cook wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes
>
>On 9/27/2013 6:51 AM, The Cook wrote:
>> I discovered yesterday that we can take unused meds to the police
>> department. I also talked to a nurse yesterday and she said the
>> hospitals, etc used to flush them but not any more.
>> --
>> department. I also talked to a nurse yesterday and she said the
>> hospitals, etc used to flush them but not any more.
>> --
>It's not true, many do.
>
>Where do you think the police put them?
>
>In land fills, where they filter down to the aquifers, mostly.
>
>Susan
I doubt it, if caught they can lose their jobs, and probably get a
>
>Where do you think the police put them?
>
>In land fills, where they filter down to the aquifers, mostly.
>
>Susan
stiff fine and maybe even prison time. Naturally not everyone obeys
laws but when caught there are penalties... here in NY burning trash
or most anything is strictly forbidden, the fine for a first offence
is a hefty $15,000.00. Nearly everyone in this rural area used to use
burn barrels for household trash but no more, now they can choose
between the town garbage dump or pay for private trash pick up (that's
what I do, $26/mo for once a week pickup is less than paying the fees
at the dump.
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