World looks on in horror as Trump flails over pandemic despite claims US leads way

[dsi1]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/15/donald-trump-coronavirus-response-world-leaders


The Trump administration has repeatedly claimed that the US is “leading the world” with its response to the pandemic, but it does not seem to be going in any direction the world wants to follow.

Across Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America, views of the US handling of the coronavirus crisis are uniformly negative and range from horror through derision to sympathy. Donald Trump’s musings from the White House briefing room, particularly his thoughts on injecting disinfectant, have drawn the attention of the planet.

“Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger,” the columnist Fintan O’Toole wrote in the Irish Times. “But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.”

The US has emerged as a global hotspot for the pandemic, a giant petri dish for the Sars-CoV-2 virus. As the death toll rises, Trump’s claims to global leadership have became more far-fetched. He told Republicans last week that he had had a round of phone calls with Angela Merkel, Shinzo Abe and other unnamed world leaders and insisted “so many of them, almost all of them, I would say all of them” believe the US is leading the way.

None of the leaders he mentioned has said anything to suggest that was true. At each milestone of the crisis, European leaders have been taken aback by Trump’s lack of consultation with them – when he suspended travel to the US from Europe on 12 March without warning Brussels, for example. A week later, politicians in Berlin accused Trump of an “unfriendly act” for offering “large sums of money” to get a German company developing a vaccine to move its research wing to the US.

The president’s abrupt decision to cut funding to the World Health Organization last month also came as a shock. The EU’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, a former Spanish foreign minister, wrote on Twitter: “There is no reason justifying this move at a moment when their efforts are needed more than ever to help contain & mitigate the coronavirus pandemic.”

A poll in France last week found Merkel to be far and away the most trusted world leader. Just 2% had confidence Trump was leading the world in the right direction. Only Boris Johnson and Xi Jinping inspired less faith.

A survey this week by the British Foreign Policy Group found 28% of Britons trusted the US to act responsibly on the world stage, a drop of 13 percentage points since January, with the biggest drop in confidence coming among Conservative voters.

Dacian Cioloș, a former prime minister of Romania who now leads the Renew Europe group in the European parliament, captured a general European view this week as the latest statistics on deaths in the US were reported.

“Post-truth communication techniques used by rightwing populism movements simply do not work to beat Covid-19,” he told the Guardian. “And we see that populism cost lives.”

Around the globe, the “America first” response pursued by the Trump administration has alienated close allies. In Canada, it was the White House order in April to halt shipments of critical N95 protective masks to Canadian hospitals that was the breaking point.

The Ontario premier, Doug Ford, who had previously spoken out in support of Trump on several occasions, said the decision was like letting a family member “starve” during a crisis.

“When the cards are down, you see who your friends are,” said Ford. “And I think it’s been very clear over the last couple of days who our friends are.”

In countries known for chronic problems of governance, there has been a sense of wonder that the US appears to have joined their ranks.

Esmir Milavić, an editor at Bosnia’s N1 TV channel, told viewers this week: “The White House is in utter dysfunction and doesn’t speak with one voice.”

Milavić said: “The vice-president is wearing a mask, while the president doesn’t; some staffers wear them, some don’t. Everybody acts as they please. As time passes, White House begins to look more and more like the Balkans.”

After Trump’s disinfectant comments, Beppe Severgnini, a columnist for Italy’s Corriere della Sera, said in a TV interview: “Trying to get into Donald Trump’s head is more difficult than finding a vaccine for coronavirus. First he decided on a lockdown and then he encouraged protests against the lockdown that he promoted. It’s like a Mel Brooks film.”

In several countries, the local health authorities have felt obliged to put out statements to counter “health advice” coming from the White House, concerning the ingestion of disinfectant and taking hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug found to be ineffective against Covid-19 and potentially lethal.

The Nigerian government put out a warning that there is no “hard evidence that chloroquine is effective in prevention or management of coronavirus infection” after three people were hospitalised from overdosing on the drug in Lagos. It was not enough to prevent a fivefold increase in the price of the drug, which is also used to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.

Trump’s decision not to take part in a global effort to find a vaccine, and his abrupt severance of financial support to the WHO at the height of the pandemic, added outrage and prompted complaints that the US was surrendering its role of global leadership.

“If there is any world leader who can be accused of handling the current crisis badly, it is Donald Trump, whose initial disdain for Covid-19 may have cost thousands of Americans their lives,” an editorial in the conservative Estado de São Paulo newspaper said last month.

The newspaper said Trump had only decided to take Covid seriously after finding himself “cornered by the facts” – and expressed shock at his decision to halt WHO funding.

“Even by the standards of his behaviour, the level of impudence is astonishing for the holder of an office that, until just a few years ago, was a considered reference in leadership for the democratic world,” it said.

Nowhere in the world is the US response to the pandemic more routinely castigated than in China. It is hardly surprising. Trump has consistently pointed to Chinese culpability in failing to contain the outbreak in its early stages, and the pandemic has become the central battleground for global leadership between the established superpower and the emerging challenger.

There is a palpable sense of relief among Chinese state commentators that the US president’s antics have diverted some of the anger that would otherwise have been aimed at Beijing.

“Only by making Americans hate China can they make sure that the public might overlook the fact that Trump’s team is stained with the blood of Americans,” said an English-language Global Times editorial late last month.

Its editor, Hu Xijin, tweeted: “US system used to be appealing to many Chinese people. But through the pandemic, Chinese saw US government’s incompetence in outbreak control, disregard for life and its overt lies. Washington’s political halo has little left.”

China’s failure to cooperate fully with the WHO and its heavy-handed diplomacy has won Beijing few friends, despite its dispatch of medical assistance around the world. But the German news weekly Der Spiegel argued that Trump had single-handedly managed to spare Beijing the worst of the global consequences for its failings.

“For a while, it looked like the outbreak of the coronavirus would throw China back by light years,” the magazine argued in an editorial. “But now it is US president Donald Trump who has to spend day after day in a stuffy White House press room explaining to the world why his country can’t get a grip on the pandemic.”

[Bruce]

On Fri, 15 May 2020 16:03:16 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>
>
>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/15/donald-trump-coronavirus-response-world-leaders
>
>
>The Trump administration has repeatedly claimed that the US is “leading the world” with its response to the pandemic, but it does not seem to be going in any direction the world wants to follow.

(...)

Here's the Trump Death Clock:
<https://i2.wp.com/reel360.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/trump-.jpg?w=768&ssl=1>

The world watches with astonishment and pity.

[dsi1]

Holy smokes, that's radical!

[Cindy Hamilton]

The clock is slow (the picture is about 10 days old). The total now
is something like 88,000.

American exceptionalism.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

That's the total number of deaths. I think the clock shows the total
number that can be blamed on Trump.

[Cindy Hamilton]

How can they tell the difference?

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

On Sat, 16 May 2020 04:18:03 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

We'd have to read the fine print on their website.
<https://trumpdeathclock.com/>

[Gary]

Bruce wrote:
> Here's the Trump Death Clock:
> https://i2.wp.com/reel360.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/trump-.jpg?w=768&ssl=1
>
> The world watches with astonishment and pity.

LOL! Oh ye Trump haters will stop at nothing.
Interesting how China started this virus yet Trump gets
all the blame.

Don't forget to add in all the cute animal deaths caused
by Australia's recent wildfire mess. Look hard enough and
you'll see that Trump caused that too, at least indirectly.
That evil bastard! He sure needs to go!

[GM]

Pitiful, ain't it, Gary...these poor folk who suffer TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome)...

<chuckle>

--
Best
Greg

[Bruce]

On Sat, 16 May 2020 09:23:16 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>> Here's the Trump Death Clock:
>> https://i2.wp.com/reel360.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/trump-.jpg?w=768&ssl=1
>>
>> The world watches with astonishment and pity.
>
>LOL! Oh ye Trump haters will stop at nothing.
>Interesting how China started this virus yet Trump gets
>all the blame.

Your right arm, Gary! How often do I have to tell you?

[graham]

On 2020-05-16 7:23 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>> Here's the Trump Death Clock:
>> https://i2.wp.com/reel360.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/trump-.jpg?w=768&ssl=1
>>
>> The world watches with astonishment and pity.
>
> LOL! Oh ye Trump haters will stop at nothing.
> Interesting how China started this virus yet Trump gets
> all the blame.
>

Only for ignoring all the advice until it was too late!!

[Sheldon Martin]

The Trump Derangement Syndromers should be shipped to a kraut oven
complex.

[Bruce]

And for finding his re-election more important than the number of
deaths. He'd kill another 100,000 people if it got him re-elected.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 16 May 2020 16:48:48 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

That's quite a statement coming from a Jew.

[GM]

Or at least provide them with jumbo - sized drool cups, lol...

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Greg

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

What pandemic? Are you talking about that sickness that is going
around that has no effect on about 80% of everyone? That is not what I
would call a pandemic. I would call it nature and survival of the
fittest

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[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Fri, 15 May 2020 16:03:16 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>
>

>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/15/donald-trump-coronavirus-response-world-leaders
>
>
>The Trump administration has repeatedly claimed that the US is “leading the world” with its response to the pandemic, but it does not seem to be going in any direction the world wants to follow.
>
>Across Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America, views of the US handling of the coronavirus crisis are uniformly negative and range from horror through derision to sympathy. Donald Trump’s musings from the White House briefing room, particularly his thoughts on injecting disinfectant, have drawn the attention of the planet.
>
>“Over more than two centuries, the United States has stirred a very wide range of feelings in the rest of the world: love and hatred, fear and hope, envy and contempt, awe and anger,” the columnist Fintan O’Toole wrote in the Irish Times. “But there is one emotion that has never been directed towards the US until now: pity.”
>
>The US has emerged as a global hotspot for the pandemic, a giant petri dish for the Sars-CoV-2 virus. As the death toll rises, Trump’s claims to global leadership have became more far-fetched. He told Republicans last week that he had had a round of phone calls with Angela Merkel, Shinzo Abe and other unnamed world leaders and insisted “so many of them, almost all of them, I would say all of them” believe the US is leading the way.
>
>None of the leaders he mentioned has said anything to suggest that was true. At each milestone of the crisis, European leaders have been taken aback by Trump’s lack of consultation with them – when he suspended travel to the US from Europe on 12 March without warning Brussels, for example. A week later, politicians in Berlin accused Trump of an “unfriendly act” for offering “large sums of money” to get a German company developing a vaccine to move its research wing to the US.
>
>The president’s abrupt decision to cut funding to the World Health Organization last month also came as a shock. The EU’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, a former Spanish foreign minister, wrote on Twitter: “There is no reason justifying this move at a moment when their efforts are needed more than ever to help contain & mitigate the coronavirus pandemic.”
>
>A poll in France last week found Merkel to be far and away the most trusted world leader. Just 2% had confidence Trump was leading the world in the right direction. Only Boris Johnson and Xi Jinping inspired less faith.
>
>A survey this week by the British Foreign Policy Group found 28% of Britons trusted the US to act responsibly on the world stage, a drop of 13 percentage points since January, with the biggest drop in confidence coming among Conservative voters.
>

>Dacian Ciolo?, a former prime minister of Romania who now leads the Renew Europe group in the European parliament, captured a general European view this week as the latest statistics on deaths in the US were reported.

>
>“Post-truth communication techniques used by rightwing populism movements simply do not work to beat Covid-19,” he told the Guardian. “And we see that populism cost lives.”
>
>Around the globe, the “America first” response pursued by the Trump administration has alienated close allies. In Canada, it was the White House order in April to halt shipments of critical N95 protective masks to Canadian hospitals that was the breaking point.
>
>The Ontario premier, Doug Ford, who had previously spoken out in support of Trump on several occasions, said the decision was like letting a family member “starve” during a crisis.
>
>“When the cards are down, you see who your friends are,” said Ford. “And I think it’s been very clear over the last couple of days who our friends are.”
>
>In countries known for chronic problems of governance, there has been a sense of wonder that the US appears to have joined their ranks.
>

>Esmir Milavi?, an editor at Bosnia’s N1 TV channel, told viewers this week: “The White House is in utter dysfunction and doesn’t speak with one voice.”
>
>Milavi? said: “The vice-president is wearing a mask, while the president doesn’t; some staffers wear them, some don’t. Everybody acts as they please. As time passes, White House begins to look more and more like the Balkans.”

>
>After Trump’s disinfectant comments, Beppe Severgnini, a columnist for Italy’s Corriere della Sera, said in a TV interview: “Trying to get into Donald Trump’s head is more difficult than finding a vaccine for coronavirus. First he decided on a lockdown and then he encouraged protests against the lockdown that he promoted. It’s like a Mel Brooks film.”
>
>In several countries, the local health authorities have felt obliged to put out statements to counter “health advice” coming from the White House, concerning the ingestion of disinfectant and taking hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug found to be ineffective against Covid-19 and potentially lethal.
>
>The Nigerian government put out a warning that there is no “hard evidence that chloroquine is effective in prevention or management of coronavirus infection” after three people were hospitalised from overdosing on the drug in Lagos. It was not enough to prevent a fivefold increase in the price of the drug, which is also used to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis.
>
>Trump’s decision not to take part in a global effort to find a vaccine, and his abrupt severance of financial support to the WHO at the height of the pandemic, added outrage and prompted complaints that the US was surrendering its role of global leadership.
>
>“If there is any world leader who can be accused of handling the current crisis badly, it is Donald Trump, whose initial disdain for Covid-19 may have cost thousands of Americans their lives,” an editorial in the conservative Estado de São Paulo newspaper said last month.
>
>The newspaper said Trump had only decided to take Covid seriously after finding himself “cornered by the facts” – and expressed shock at his decision to halt WHO funding.
>
>“Even by the standards of his behaviour, the level of impudence is astonishing for the holder of an office that, until just a few years ago, was a considered reference in leadership for the democratic world,” it said.
>
>Nowhere in the world is the US response to the pandemic more routinely castigated than in China. It is hardly surprising. Trump has consistently pointed to Chinese culpability in failing to contain the outbreak in its early stages, and the pandemic has become the central battleground for global leadership between the established superpower and the emerging challenger.
>
>There is a palpable sense of relief among Chinese state commentators that the US president’s antics have diverted some of the anger that would otherwise have been aimed at Beijing.
>
>“Only by making Americans hate China can they make sure that the public might overlook the fact that Trump’s team is stained with the blood of Americans,” said an English-language Global Times editorial late last month.
>
>Its editor, Hu Xijin, tweeted: “US system used to be appealing to many Chinese people. But through the pandemic, Chinese saw US government’s incompetence in outbreak control, disregard for life and its overt lies. Washington’s political halo has little left.”
>
>China’s failure to cooperate fully with the WHO and its heavy-handed diplomacy has won Beijing few friends, despite its dispatch of medical assistance around the world. But the German news weekly Der Spiegel argued that Trump had single-handedly managed to spare Beijing the worst of the global consequences for its failings.
>
>“For a while, it looked like the outbreak of the coronavirus would throw China back by light years,” the magazine argued in an editorial. “But now it is US president Donald Trump who has to spend day after day in a stuffy White House press room explaining to the world why his country can’t get a grip on the pandemic.”

Is everything you are saying just actually a metaphor for red beans
and rice?

[graham]

On 2020-05-16 5:36 p.m., Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
> What pandemic? Are you talking about that sickness that is going
> around that has no effect on about 80% of everyone? That is not what I
> would call a pandemic. I would call it nature and survival of the
> fittest
>

"Not what you'd call a pandemic"?
Christ!!!! You're more ignorant than Trump, and that is hardly possible!

[dsi1]

I haven't said a word. This piece was written by 8 different reporters working in different countries. It is a gluten-free piece on the world's view of the leadership of the US.

This just in:

https://nypost.com/2020/05/16/bronx-man-busted-over-hawaii-quarantine-violation/

[dsi1]

You probably don't remember how badly Obama was treated by his haters. Maybe you never even noticed. I certainly noticed all the hate directed at him. It was unreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V9cNKygNEI

[GM]

That YT link you provided directs to a Thai kiddie p0rn site...

--
Best
Greg

[Still Bud]

On Sat, 16 May 2020 21:23:30 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:


>I haven't said a word.

But WHAT the fuck does this have to do with food or cooking????

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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===

Why was he so hated?



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[dsi1]

It was because he looked like a negro. He wasn't really a negro but a bi-racial guy raised in an Asian-American culture. That didn't matter because a lot of Americans can only see the color of a person's skin. The hatred was so strong that I thought America needed to elect that guy that currently sits in the white house because that would have satiated the haters and act as a safety valve. Boy was I wrong! These days, half the country hates the other half.

2020 is an important point in history as it marks our country's place as the greatest power in the world being handed over to the Chinese - just as your country handed over the crown to the Americans some 70 years ago.

BTW, thanks for doing that! 🤴🤠

[dsi1]

You wouldn't say that if I was babbling on and on about John Kuthe - woodjah?

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
news:699ee6ad-edb5-4aa5...@googlegroups.com...

On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 11:51:57 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> news:0b309489-d4dc-48b5...@googlegroups.com...
>
> On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 3:24:33 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > Bruce wrote:
> > > Here's the Trump Death Clock:
> > > https://i2.wp.com/reel360.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/trump-.jpg?w=768&ssl=1
> > >
> > > The world watches with astonishment and pity.
> >
> > LOL! Oh ye Trump haters will stop at nothing.
> > Interesting how China started this virus yet Trump gets
> > all the blame.
> >
> > Don't forget to add in all the cute animal deaths caused
> > by Australia's recent wildfire mess. Look hard enough and
> > you'll see that Trump caused that too, at least indirectly.
> > That evil bastard! He sure needs to go!
>
> You probably don't remember how badly Obama was treated by his haters.
> Maybe
> you never even noticed. I certainly noticed all the hate directed at him.
> It
> was unreal.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V9cNKygNEI
>
> ===
>
> Why was he so hated?

It was because he looked like a negro. He wasn't really a negro but a
bi-racial guy raised in an Asian-American culture. That didn't matter
because a lot of Americans can only see the color of a person's skin. The
hatred was so strong that I thought America needed to elect that guy that
currently sits in the white house because that would have satiated the
haters and act as a safety valve. Boy was I wrong! These days, half the
country hates the other half.

2020 is an important point in history as it marks our country's place as the
greatest power in the world being handed over to the Chinese - just as your
country handed over the crown to the Americans some 70 years ago.

BTW, thanks for doing that! 🤴🤠

===

Doing what???

I am horrified by what you have described:(

Your power is being handed over to the Chinese? Oh dear:(

[Bruce]

dsi1 wrote :

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mcdonalds-china-apologizes-for-banning-black-people-from-a-store/ar-BB12Ch2S

[Cindy Hamilton]

We've certainly abdicated our place in the geopolitical landscape. I'm
quite sure the Chinese will be happy to step in.

Cindy Hamilton

[dsi1]

The Chinese have the technology, manufacturing capability, and expertise, in making widgets. They have a growing middle class that's hungry for manufactured goods. They are like post war America in the 50's.

America has a shrinking middle class with 1% of the population having almost as much money as the 99% under them. The 1% is also interested in stacking the deck even more in their favor in order to acquire more money. Most of this wealth is being hidden away untaxed. The future doesn't look too good for most Americans.

[dsi1]

So you don't like Asians and the Chinese have a problem with black folks. Do you have a point you'd like to make, squirts?

Up until 40 years ago China was closed off from the rest of the world. These guys believed in China first and while Americans think they know how to make a wall, the Chinese built the mother of all walls. As it goes they realized that isolationism is a dead-end economic policy and they are going to have to work with other countries.

The black people and Chinese have been in America for quite a while. They helped build this country and fought our wars. Their American experience has been filled with hostility, fear, and disrespect. Mostly, the Asian countries are homogeneous societies so a strong racist bent is not surprising. Give them some time.

The black people and Asians have been in American a lot longer. What's your fucking excuse? How long do people have to live in America before you guys stop calling them chinks, japs, and niggers?

[cshenk]

He wasn't. dsi1 sent you a biased article that represents his side.

[cshenk]

You REALLY need to get over your racism posts dsi1.

Very few here cared that he was 'negro looking'. YOU are the one who
cares about that. Now leave the rest of us out of your racist comments.

[Ophelia]

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
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Without doubt:(

[Ophelia]

"dsi1" wrote in message
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==

:(

[cshenk]

I apologise, as I did not write that. Someone must be trolling me.

[Bruce]

cshenk expressed precisely :

>> BTW, thanks for doing that! ??

>
> You REALLY need to get over your racism posts dsi1.
>
> Very few here cared that he was 'negro looking'. YOU are the one who
> cares about that. Now leave the rest of us out of your racist comments.
>

Chink names all sound like someone threw
a silverware drawer down the steps.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-17 1:25 p.m., cshenk wrote:

> dsi1 wrote:

>> 2020 is an important point in history as it marks our country's place
>> as the greatest power in the world being handed over to the Chinese -
>> just as your country handed over the crown to the Americans some 70
>> years ago.
>>
>> BTW, thanks for doing that! 🤴🤠
>
> You REALLY need to get over your racism posts dsi1.
>
> Very few here cared that he was 'negro looking'. YOU are the one who
> cares about that. Now leave the rest of us out of your racist comments.
>

Perhaps few, but some were outspoken about it. I encountered one of
them at my niece's wedding which IIRC was 11 1/2 years ago. The groom
was from North Carolina. One of his aunts told me, and I am quoting it
exactly as I remember it... "We got us a nigger for a president." This
is not a poor family. They are fairly well off, despite the attitude and
the grammar.

[Gary]

The Democrats will gladly cheer for another 100,000 deaths if it
gets Biden elected. Don't doubt that.

[U.S. Janet B.]

Gary, that is sick to even repeat that. I surely hope you don't
believe that.
Janet US

[Bruce]

On Sun, 17 May 2020 14:15:00 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:

What a terrible country then.

[Bruce]

>BTW, thanks for doing that! ??

Sometimes I think that Trump as leader of the US, especially if he
gets re-elected, is a sign of the US losing its position as the One
Superpower. Maybe this is how these things go.

[Bruce]

>> BTW, thanks for doing that! ??

>>
>> ===
>>
>> Doing what???
>>
>> I am horrified by what you have described:(
>>
>> Your power is being handed over to the Chinese? Oh dear:(
>>
>>
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>The Chinese have the technology, manufacturing capability, and expertise, in making widgets. They have a growing middle class that's hungry for manufactured goods. They are like post war America in the 50's.

But they're much more barbarian then the Americans were in the 50s.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 17 May 2020 13:40:24 -0400, Bruce <br...@null.null> wrote:

>cshenk expressed precisely :

>> You REALLY need to get over your racism posts dsi1.
>>
>> Very few here cared that he was 'negro looking'. YOU are the one who
>> cares about that. Now leave the rest of us out of your racist comments.
>>
>Chink names all sound like someone threw
>a silverware drawer down the steps.

We can't all have noble names like Bruce, Bruce.

[dsi1]

As it goes, I ain't in the military and you ain't ain't my commanding officer. I don't need to "get over" anything you don't get to tell me what to think. As we all know, white privilege just ain't what it used to be. This is America and I get to express my opinion - same as every other American.

[dsi1]

The Chinese would disagree with you. They think that Westerners are the barbarians. "Barbarians" was the official name for the foreigners used by the Chinese back in the old days. These days the Chinese know that they'll have to play nice with the barbarians in the modern age. Who can blame them?

[Bruce]

On Sun, 17 May 2020 14:45:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

The Chinese are committing genocide as we speak. To mention just one
thing. But maybe the Uyghurs aren't Asian enough for you to care.

[graham]

There was an article in one of the non-Fux news papers the other day to
the effect that if Trump had been in charge during WW2, we'd all be
speaking German now:-)

[dsi1]

I won't comment on the internal affairs of other countries.

[Bruce]

Yes, he'd say Nazis go away automatically when it gets warmer.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 17 May 2020 15:16:55 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

A very cowardly position.

[graham]

That's all due to their religion and the CCP tries to repress all religion.

[Bruce]

Yes, it's a fascist regime. dsi1 loves them.

[Hank Rogers]

How can anything be worse than americans druce?

[graham]

Not fascist, I would have thought. They are always in bed with the church.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag
and carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis.

[graham]

And before someone does a Snopes, I don't give a damn! Whoever said it
was prescient!

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-17 6:24 p.m., graham wrote:
> On 2020-05-17 4:01 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 May 2020 14:45:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

Who can blame them?
>>
>> The Chinese are committing genocide as we speak. To mention just one
>> thing. But maybe the Uyghurs aren't Asian enough for you to care.
>>
> That's all due to their religion and the CCP tries to repress all religion.

And the US would be calling them Islamic terrorists.

[cshenk]

Greg again.

rom: "cshenk" <gregorymorr...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: World looks on in horror as Trump flails over pandemic
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Yes, I did write that. Greg is a poor waste of oxygen.

[cshenk]

Then don't accuse others of racism when you are the primary example of
it here.

No one CARES what color Obama is. If it matters to you, he was elected
by WHITE America. I think that basic fact escapes your attention.

[Hank Rogers]

>>>> BTW, thanks for doing that! 🤴ðŸ¤

>>>
>>> You REALLY need to get over your racism posts dsi1.
>>>
>>> Very few here cared that he was 'negro looking'. YOU are the one who
>>> cares about that. Now leave the rest of us out of your racist
>>> comments.
>>
>> As it goes, I ain't in the military and you ain't ain't my commanding
>> officer. I don't need to "get over" anything you don't get to tell me
>> what to think. As we all know, white privilege just ain't what it
>> used to be. This is America and I get to express my opinion - same as
>> every other American.
>
> Then don't accuse others of racism when you are the primary example of
> it here.
>
> No one CARES what color Obama is. If it matters to you, he was elected
> by WHITE America. I think that basic fact escapes your attention.
>

I think dsi1 is the asian version of Popeye :)

[Bruce]

>> > > BTW, thanks for doing that! ??

>> >
>> > You REALLY need to get over your racism posts dsi1.
>> >
>> > Very few here cared that he was 'negro looking'. YOU are the one who
>> > cares about that. Now leave the rest of us out of your racist
>> > comments.
>>
>> As it goes, I ain't in the military and you ain't ain't my commanding
>> officer. I don't need to "get over" anything you don't get to tell me
>> what to think. As we all know, white privilege just ain't what it
>> used to be. This is America and I get to express my opinion - same as
>> every other American.
>
>Then don't accuse others of racism when you are the primary example of
>it here.
>
>No one CARES what color Obama is. If it matters to you, he was elected
>by WHITE America.

I didn't know only white people could vote in the US. I learn a lot
from RFC.

[Hank Rogers]

Yoose already nearly as bright as Popeye!

[Cindy Hamilton]

The Democrats seem to be much more interested in keeping people safe
than the Republicans. Look at who's opening their states against
the advice of epidemiologists.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

Of course I don't believe that. I was just throwing back the
same silly comment that Bruce made above that Trump would

[Bruce]

Oh good. But Trump wouldn't hesitate, I'm sure. He only cares about
one person. I'm surprised you can't see that.

[dsi1]

On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 8:10:55 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-05-17 1:25 p.m., cshenk wrote:

> > dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> 2020 is an important point in history as it marks our country's place
> >> as the greatest power in the world being handed over to the Chinese -
> >> just as your country handed over the crown to the Americans some 70
> >> years ago.
> >>

> >> BTW, thanks for doing that! 🤴🤠

> >
> > You REALLY need to get over your racism posts dsi1.
> >
> > Very few here cared that he was 'negro looking'. YOU are the one who
> > cares about that. Now leave the rest of us out of your racist comments.
> >
>
>

> Perhaps few, but some were outspoken about it. I encountered one of
> them at my niece's wedding which IIRC was 11 1/2 years ago. The groom
> was from North Carolina. One of his aunts told me, and I am quoting it
> exactly as I remember it... "We got us a nigger for a president." This
> is not a poor family. They are fairly well off, despite the attitude and
> the grammar.

People like that would swear up and down until next Sunday that they weren't racist. Heck, they might even call you a racist for bringing up the point.

[jmcquown]

On 5/17/2020 1:25 PM, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 11:51:57 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "dsi1" wrote in message
>>> news:0b309489-d4dc-48b5...@googlegroups.com...
>>>

>>> On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 3:24:33 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>> Here's the Trump Death Clock:
>>>>>
> https://i2.wp.com/reel360.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/trump-.jpg?w=768&ssl=1
>>>>>
>>>>> The world watches with astonishment and pity.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Oh ye Trump haters will stop at nothing.
>>>> Interesting how China started this virus yet Trump gets
>>>> all the blame.
>>>>

>>>> Don't forget to add in all the cute animal deaths caused
>>>> by Australia's recent wildfire mess. Look hard enough and
>>>> you'll see that Trump caused that too, at least indirectly.
>>>> That evil bastard! He sure needs to go!
>>>
>>> You probably don't remember how badly Obama was treated by his
>>> haters. Maybe you never even noticed. I certainly noticed all the
>>> hate directed at him. It was unreal.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V9cNKygNEI
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Why was he so hated?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> https://www.avg.com
>>
>> It was because he looked like a negro. He wasn't really a negro but a
>> bi-racial guy raised in an Asian-American culture. That didn't matter
>> because a lot of Americans can only see the color of a person's skin.
>> The hatred was so strong that I thought America needed to elect that
>> guy that currently sits in the white house because that would have
>> satiated the haters and act as a safety valve. Boy was I wrong! These
>> days, half the country hates the other half.
>>

>> 2020 is an important point in history as it marks our country's place
>> as the greatest power in the world being handed over to the Chinese -
>> just as your country handed over the crown to the Americans some 70
>> years ago.
>>
>> BTW, thanks for doing that! 🤴🤠
>
> You REALLY need to get over your racism posts dsi1.
>
> Very few here cared that he was 'negro looking'. YOU are the one who
> cares about that. Now leave the rest of us out of your racist comments.
>

Thank you, Carol. Obama couldn't have been *that* hated because he was
elected twice. If it were legal I'd have gladly voted him in for a
third term.

Jill

[cshenk]

> Thank you, Carol. Obama couldn't have been that hated because he was

> elected twice. If it were legal I'd have gladly voted him in for a
> third term.
>
> Jill

I didn't like Obama but it had nothing to do with his racial mix, much
as dsi1 likes to pretend.

Obama destroyed the middle income job market and the ability for middle
income to get insurance. His policys caused a large number of minimum
wage (or very near it) workers to no longer be able to get full time
with benefits because it got too expensive. Now they hire 2 or 3 part
time folks and folks with those jobs need 2 jobs (neither with benefits
now) to make basic ends meet. I will grant he meant well, but the
business sector was warning well in advance what would happen and he
did it anyways.

[Dave Smith]

On 2020-05-22 3:48 p.m., cshenk wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:

>
> I didn't like Obama but it had nothing to do with his racial mix, much
> as dsi1 likes to pretend.
>
> Obama destroyed the middle income job market and the ability for middle
> income to get insurance. His policys caused a large number of minimum
> wage (or very near it) workers to no longer be able to get full time
> with benefits because it got too expensive. Now they hire 2 or 3 part
> time folks and folks with those jobs need 2 jobs (neither with benefits
> now) to make basic ends meet. I will grant he meant well, but the
> business sector was warning well in advance what would happen and he

> did it anyways.#

Damn shame. Just think of the money you could save if you had a system
like ours where everyone is covered. It is unfair to blame Obama for not
bringing in a better system that Republicans would have sunk.

>

[Bruce]

Obama wanted to improve American healthcare, which was much needed.
Republicans sabotaged his attempts, so Obama failed.

Guess who Republicans blame? Right.

Only in the magical wonderland that's the US.

[Hank Rogers]

He also would have outlawed ass sniffing.

[cshenk]

Dave, you have no dog in that fight because you lack any comparison.

[Dave Smith]

Because??? We have no doctors, nurses and hospitals?

[Bruce]

LOL The world according to cshenk.

[dsi1]

A lot of Americans don't care if other Americans have health insurance or not, all they care about is themselves. Why is that? I do not know.

[GM]

You're the sort that likes playing tennis *without* a ball...

--
Best
Greg

[Taxed and Spent]

A lot of Americans are opposed to having to pay for the necessities of
others, so the others can spend their money on frivolities.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sat, 16 May 2020 19:36:37 -0600, graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2020-05-16 5:36 p.m., Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
>> What pandemic? Are you talking about that sickness that is going
>> around that has no effect on about 80% of everyone? That is not what I
>> would call a pandemic. I would call it nature and survival of the
>> fittest
>>
>"Not what you'd call a pandemic"?
>Christ!!!! You're more ignorant than Trump, and that is hardly possible!

Is it wide spread yes, but it hardly effects anyone. I stand more of a
chance of dying from the chicken pox.

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

On Sat, 16 May 2020 23:23:46 -0700, Still Bud <clst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 16 May 2020 21:23:30 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
><dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I haven't said a word.
>
>
>But WHAT the fuck does this have to do with food or cooking????
>
>

Thanks bud I think you got the understanding of what my message was
all about.

[Bruce]

X and Y pay the same healthcare premiums all their lives. X rarely has
a medical problem and hardly uses his medical insurance. Y has all
kinds of medical problems and constantly relies on his insurance.

If X was European, he'd say: "I'm lucky. I've rarely had medical
problems!"
If X was American he'd say: "I've been ripped off! I paid the same
premiums as Y, but he's benefited much more! It's a scam!"

[Bruce]

100,000 Americans have died and still counting.

[Hank Rogers]

And while X was ranting, you would be right behind, sniffing away!

[dsi1]

I am well aware of the situation. The situation is that a lot of Americans don't care if other Americans have health insurance or not, all they care about is themselves. We are on the same page, oh my brother.

[Hank Rogers]

Ain't yoose glad yoose not a mean nasty old american?

[graham]

A perfect summary!!

[Dave Smith]

Ahh... I see. They don't want to contribute to a system that is cheaper
than they are paying now in order to have everyone insured so that the
people in the for profit health care business can spend more money of
friviolities ???

[GM]

I'm embarrassed that you'd stoop to that level, graham...

--
Best
Greg

[dsi1]

I suppose that's none of your business - you ass sniffin' dog.

[cshenk]

Because you have no basis of comparison at all. dsi1 also lives in a
dream world on this one.

Fact, pre-Obama, basic catostrophic health caew was 20-40$ a month
depending on plan and deductable. It's now 500$ for a 20yo.

Like I said, you have no dog in this fight.

[Dave Smith]

[Dave Smith]

Admit it. The Republicans made sure it would be a failure. We pay less
for health care that you do. Everyone is covered and people with
pre-existing conditions are not excluded.

[Hank Rogers]

Maybe, but the absolute stingiest and most bitter whiners I've seen
are canadians. Maybe just coincidence.

[Bruce]

Forget it. Talking politics with Republicans is like talking to people
with a brain injury.

[Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl]

aww boo hoo. All the people that have died have had pre existing
conditions and were most likely on their way out anyway. So covid came
along and gave them a helping hand. Yes it is sad, it is heart
wrenching. As things are going I may catch it and die as I have a
heart problem. EVEN though I will not wear a mask that does nothing
just so the stupid people can feel better. Then again I may have
already had it and not even realized it. BECAUSE it is NOT a big deal!
The government wants it to be a big deal because they want the other
stupid people to think hey this person cares lets vote for them. I am
sorry that I can not stoop to that level of stupidity and agree with
people and say that this is a dangerous disease BECAUSE IT IS NOT!.
There are over 260 million people in this country alone... When 50
million die then yeah it may be a serious problem. But then again that
will be the death of A LOT of stupid people...

[graham]

What a miserable bastard you are!!!!!!

[John Kuthe]

On Saturday, May 23, 2020 at 9:45:29 PM UTC-5, Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
> On Sun, 24 May 2020 04:04:29 +1000, Bruce <br...@null.null> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 23 May 2020 12:44:17 -0500,
> >Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 16 May 2020 19:36:37 -0600, graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 2020-05-16 5:36 p.m., Christ...@deathtochristianity.pl wrote:
> >>>> What pandemic? Are you talking about that sickness that is going
> >>>> around that has no effect on about 80% of everyone? That is not what I
> >>>> would call a pandemic. I would call it nature and survival of the
> >>>> fittest
> >>>>
> >>>"Not what you'd call a pandemic"?
> >>>Christ!!!! You're more ignorant than Trump, and that is hardly possible!
> >>
> >>Is it wide spread yes, but it hardly effects anyone. I stand more of a
> >>chance of dying from the chicken pox.
> >
> >100,000 Americans have died and still counting.
>
> aww boo hoo. All the people that have died have had pre existing
> conditions and were most likely on their way out anyway. So covid came

> along and gave them a helping hand. ...

Life is a preexisting condition and always fatal.

John Kuthe...

[U.S. Janet B.]

you really ought to keep up with the news. infants, teenagers and
people under 40 with no pre-existing conditions all have increasingly
gotten sick with the virus and died. The under 60 age group is
getting hit too. The idea that only old people with other conditions
were the ones that got the virus and died was very early information
before much was known about Covid-19.

[Leo]

On 2020 May 23, , Dave Smith wrote
(in article <iUiyG.136674$Us2....@fx07.iad>):

> Admit it. The Republicans made sure it would be a failure. We pay less
> for health care that you do. Everyone is covered and people with
> pre-existing conditions are not excluded.

So, here’s the deal Dave. Canada has sponged off of our largesse since
the end of WWII. So has every other Western democracy. We always paid the
vast majority of the bill with minor real and fiscal participation by other
allies.The U.S. was the real defense and World policemen for democracy.
Western leaders are not laughing at President Trump. They’re horrified
that they may have to finally step up and pay their fair share. They’re
squawking like chickens in a coop with a fox circling. All their socialist
programs are at stake including your health care.
Oh, and Obama could have passed anything he wanted constitutionally during
the first two years of his socialist presidency. He had a bullet-proof,
pass what he wanted, Congress at that time. He and his stupid socialist
advisors came up with Obamacare. It wasn't ready for prime time. I thought
you knew recent history. I was wrong.
The good news is that Canada is a large country with vast resources and few
people. Why don’t some Canadians start creating a real economy? Your
government pensions are at stake.
Sorry Bud, you pissed me off with a lame post. Republicans had absolutely
nothing to do with Obamacare or whether it passed.

leo

[Bruce]

On Sun, 24 May 2020 00:33:02 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 2020 May 23, , Dave Smith wrote
>(in article <iUiyG.136674$Us2....@fx07.iad>):
>
>> Admit it. The Republicans made sure it would be a failure. We pay less
>> for health care that you do. Everyone is covered and people with
>> pre-existing conditions are not excluded.
>
>So, here’s the deal Dave. Canada has sponged off of our largesse since
>the end of WWII. So has every other Western democracy. We always paid the
>vast majority of the bill with minor real and fiscal participation by other
>allies.The U.S. was the real defense and World policemen for democracy.
>Western leaders are not laughing at President Trump.

Yes, they are. They're laughing and waiting for Trump's successor to
pick up the pieces.

>They’re horrified
>that they may have to finally step up and pay their fair share. They’re
>squawking like chickens in a coop with a fox circling. All their socialist
>programs are at stake including your health care.

There are no socialist western European countries.

I'll ignore the rest, because you talk out of the wrong body part.

[Leo]

On 2020 May 24, , Bruce wrote
(in article<s5ckcfp292rmum4qm...@4ax.com>):

> Yes, they are. They're laughing and waiting for Trump's successor to
> pick up the pieces.

s/laughing/praying/g Is that too much for you?

> There are no socialist western European countries.

Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt. See what I did there? Socialism has
its greasy fingers everywhere.
I believe that it was Bismarck, the grandfatherly neighbor before you
showed up, that started the welfare state. Check it out and get back to me.
You might learn something.

leo

[Bruce]

On Sun, 24 May 2020 01:48:41 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

>On 2020 May 24, , Bruce wrote
>(in article<s5ckcfp292rmum4qm...@4ax.com>):
>
>> Yes, they are. They're laughing and waiting for Trump's successor to
>> pick up the pieces.
>
>s/laughing/praying/g Is that too much for you?

I don't know what that means.

>> There are no socialist western European countries.
>
>Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt. See what I did there? Socialism has
>its greasy fingers everywhere.

Not embracing unbridled, unhinged capitalism doesn't make a country
socialist. What do they teach you guys in schools?