BLT salad

[Bryan Simmons]

No "dressing" needed.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/53055947628/in/dateposted-public/
A couple of hours later.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/53054881032/in/dateposted-public/
Life is good here.

--Bryan

[Thomas]

Did you know that your entire photo history is posted with every post?
No biggie.

[Bryan Simmons]

I wouldn't have it on Flickr if I minded it being public.

--Bryan

[Bryan Simmons]

Gotta try to keep up with the tomatoes.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/albums/72177720309975506

I'm going to be eating a lot of BLT salads this summer.

--Bryan

[Bruce]

Dead pig left, right and centre. I believe there's even dead pig in
the salad.

[dsi1]

We went to a new restaurant that opened up yesterday. My granddaughter had the dead pig. My son had a huge rib and I had some brisket. This town sure needed a BBQ restaurant. I feel like we've hit the big time. Hopefully, this doesn't mean this place will become a tourist town. Who the heck needs that?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZyzLDuzVBWEvdWj59
https://photos.app.goo.gl/eqaunJWfdgCh8KBx8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/bD4VVorJeXQFBmyr7

[GM]

Sire HANK and me will be RIGHT over, Oncle Tojo...!!!

B-)

--
GM

[Sqwertz]

Did you microwave that bacon on one of those wavy trays?

Always cut cherty tomatoes in half across the axis before tossing
into a salad that you'll eat within 2 hours. And ideally, at
least 15 minutes before you eat it. Whole cherry tomatoes in
tossed salads are TIAD and only done at salad bars and for
pre-packaged salads. You can do better.

-sw

[Thomas]

Cut with the axis is for pro's.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:47:30 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:53:09 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 18:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
>> <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Gotta try to keep up with the tomatoes.
>> >https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/albums/72177720309975506
>> >
>> >I'm going to be eating a lot of BLT salads this summer.
>> Dead pig left, right and centre. I believe there's even dead pig in
>> the salad.
>
>We went to a new restaurant that opened up yesterday. My granddaughter had the dead pig. My son had a huge rib and I had some brisket. This town sure needed a BBQ restaurant. I feel like we've hit the big time. Hopefully, this doesn't mean this place will become a tourist town. Who the heck needs that?

I somehow thought you lived in Honolulu. That must have lots of
tourists already.

>https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZyzLDuzVBWEvdWj59
That looks like a lot of food.

>https://photos.app.goo.gl/eqaunJWfdgCh8KBx8
Burning the meat like that is deliberate, I assume?

>https://photos.app.goo.gl/bD4VVorJeXQFBmyr7
Corny!

"According to a 2022 study by the Vegetarian Times, an estimated 3.7%
of adults in Hawaii do not eat meat."

[dsi1]

We live on the island of Oahu, which is the most populated island in Hawaii. The other islands are like ghost towns compared to Oahu. You live on the other islands if you like life at a slower pace.
I enjoy burning my food but these guys take it to a whole different level.
I estimate that there's more than 3.7% vegetarians in Hawaii. My wife, daughter, and granddaughter, at times have been semi-vegetarian. My nephew and his wife are hard-core vegans. They're moving back to California so they don't count.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:59:17 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > >https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZyzLDuzVBWEvdWj59
> >
> > >https://photos.app.goo.gl/eqaunJWfdgCh8KBx8
> >
> > >https://photos.app.goo.gl/bD4VVorJeXQFBmyr7
> >

> I enjoy burning my food but these guys take it to a whole different level.
>

The meat doesn't look burnt to me; it just looks like the spices used in the
rub have darkened due to the long and slow smoking. That's the way a
pork shoulder looks when I smoke one.

[Bryan Simmons]

No. That's burned. The middle pic looks awful.

--Bryan

[Bruce]

I asked my artificially intelligent friend again and this time he or
she or neither came up with higher numbers. Percentage of vegans and
vegetarians combined:
Hawaii: 20.23%
California: 18.51%
Virginia: 17.91%
Texas: 6.49%

I think that the younger and more educated people are, the higher the
chance that they don't eat meat. It's slowly becoming a lower
socio-economic thing, like smoking.

[Bruce]

It doesn't look very healthy, but if it doesn't taste burnt, that's
something.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

No, it's not burned. When you smoke something for 12-18 hours then you can
come back and tell us how wrong you are.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

It's the combination of the spices, smoke, and long and sloooooow
cooking that gives it that slightly charred look. Trust me, it has no
burnt taste.

Most barbecue rubs start off with paprika, chili powder, and a bit of
brown sugar. Those three will definitely give whatever you're smoking
a deep, almost burnt look. Whatever other spices you add to your rub
will depend on what flavors you like. They will add a bit of color as
well.

You've probably seen car or house fires with a layer of smoke damage
covering everything. You'll get that layer of smoke on the meat as well
and depending on what type of wood you use. It will impart a wonderful
flavor and not of burned upholstery or drywall.

[Bruce]

Ok, I'll take your word for it. It's not burnt meat.

[Graham]

On 2023-07-24 1:18 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:01:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:35:31 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:59:17 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZyzLDuzVBWEvdWj59
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/eqaunJWfdgCh8KBx8
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bD4VVorJeXQFBmyr7
>>>>>
>>>> I enjoy burning my food but these guys take it to a whole different level.
>>>>
>>> The meat doesn't look burnt to me; it just looks like the spices used in the
>>> rub have darkened due to the long and slow smoking. That's the way a
>>> pork shoulder looks when I smoke one.
>>>
>> It doesn't look very healthy,

Well the taste comes from all those lovely carcinogens in the smoke:-)

[Ed P]

Exactly. I've smoked many briskets and they look black. No, not just
look, they are black. One of the main seasonings I use is black pepper
so even going in it is dark color.

[Bruce]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:21:36 -0600, Graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:

>On 2023-07-24 1:18 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:01:44 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:35:31 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:59:17 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZyzLDuzVBWEvdWj59
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/eqaunJWfdgCh8KBx8
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bD4VVorJeXQFBmyr7
>>>>>>
>>>>> I enjoy burning my food but these guys take it to a whole different level.
>>>>>
>>>> The meat doesn't look burnt to me; it just looks like the spices used in the
>>>> rub have darkened due to the long and slow smoking. That's the way a
>>>> pork shoulder looks when I smoke one.
>>>>
>>> It doesn't look very healthy,
>
>Well the taste comes from all those lovely carcinogens in the smoke:-)

Yes, flavour often comes at a price.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

For first time smokers it is a bit of a shock when the lid is taken off/flipped
back. First look and you silently say to yourself "Uh-oh." But that first taste
when it's sliced, chopped, or shredded, you can injure yourself trying to pat
yourself on the back.    😋

[Thomas]

I am going to abuse the shit out of that.

[cshenk]

Bruce wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:47:30 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:53:09 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 18:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> >> <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Gotta try to keep up with the tomatoes.
> >>
> >https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/albums/72177720309975506
> >> > >> >I'm going to be eating a lot of BLT salads this summer.
> >> Dead pig left, right and centre. I believe there's even dead pig
> in >> the salad.
> >
> > We went to a new restaurant that opened up yesterday. My
> > granddaughter had the dead pig. My son had a huge rib and I had
> > some brisket. This town sure needed a BBQ restaurant. I feel like
> > we've hit the big time. Hopefully, this doesn't mean this place
> > will become a tourist town. Who the heck needs that?
>
> I somehow thought you lived in Honolulu. That must have lots of
> tourists already.

Naw. Up through the montain pass. H3 I seem to recall? Comes out not
far from the university.

>
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZyzLDuzVBWEvdWj59
> That looks like a lot of food.
>
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/eqaunJWfdgCh8KBx8
> Burning the meat like that is deliberate, I assume?

That one put me off too.

> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/bD4VVorJeXQFBmyr7
> Corny!
>
> "According to a 2022 study by the Vegetarian Times, an estimated 3.7%
> of adults in Hawaii do not eat meat."

Lower than USA average I think?

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:47:30 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:
> We went to a new restaurant that opened up yesterday. My
> granddaughter had the dead pig. My son had a huge rib and I had
> some brisket. This town sure needed a BBQ restaurant. I feel
> like we've hit the big time. Hopefully, this doesn't mean this
> place will become a tourist town. Who the heck needs that?
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZyzLDuzVBWEvdWj59
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/eqaunJWfdgCh8KBx8
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bD4VVorJeXQFBmyr7

Congratulations - You've now had some Texas BBQ. And you liked
it. No reason to come over here any more.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:35:31 -0700 (PDT),

itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> The meat doesn't look burnt to me; it just looks like the spices used in the
> rub have darkened due to the long and slow smoking. That's the way a
> pork shoulder looks when I smoke one.

What she said. There no burnt taste to that crust. Apparently
they've never had real BBQ.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

It's not burnt, you idiots. You're just ignorant of real
barbecue.

-sw

[Sqwertz]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 03:14:13 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 18:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>> Gotta try to keep up with the tomatoes.
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/albums/72177720309975506
>>
>> I'm going to be eating a lot of BLT salads this summer.
>
> Did you microwave that bacon on one of those wavy trays?

Oh, god, he did!

-sw

[Sqwertz]

And some righteous Mexican corn. Usually served on the cob, but
in a dish is also common.

-sw

[dsi1]

Indeed, it is burnt. That's purely intentional. I like to burn my food too. That's purely intentional. This is mostly achieved by the use of sugar. You probably won't be able to burn your food like that without sugar. If you know what you're doing, it's not going to taste burnt. I suppose it might look a little unpleasant.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1KAGL3Xn5hsvDfyS7

https://wikizilla.org/w/images/6/67/28969288976_539ab0c14d_o.jpg

[Bruce]

I'll ask my artificially intelligent friend, although the numbers
(s)he comes up with vary a lot.

"According to a 2018 survey by the Vegetarian Resource Group, about
5.5% of adults in Hawaii are vegetarian or vegan. This means that
about 1 in 20 adults in Hawaii does not eat meat. The percentage of
vegetarians and vegans in Hawaii is higher than the national average
of 3.5%."

But if I ask my friend how many Americans are vegetarians or vegans, I
get this:
"According to the 2022 Vegetarian Times survey, 10.1% of Americans are
vegetarian and 2.9% are vegan. This means that about 1 in 10 Americans
does not eat meat."

My friend sometimes tells me that (s)he's still learning.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 09:58:43 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.compost>
wrote:

And I'm gonna keep it that way.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 09:59:30 -0500, Sqwertz <sqwe...@gmail.compost>
wrote:

Aww, that's a nice compliment. Thanks, Steve!

[dsi1]

You need some new friends.

[Bruce]

Even in the days when I still ate meat and BBQ meat, I never had
something like that. Maybe it's an American thing.

[dsi1]

Me neither. My guess is that it is an American thing. I think it was called a dino-bone. It cost 36 bucks. The bone can be used for mugging tourists or removing tires from rims.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zonUJ3LToFR5f2QD8

[Bruce]

But they wouldn't know as much. This one's a fountain of knowledge.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:02:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1

Combine that with a few bottles of coke, to loosen rusty screws and
you can start a mechanic shop. Yabadabadoo!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

You, Ed, and I know what proper slow and low smoked meat
looks like.    🤜🤛

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Barbecued as in steak and/or burgers or a pork shoulder or ribs that
have smoked on a grill or in a smoker (which implies low and slow)
for hours and hours at an extremely low temperature??

[Bruce]

All the cavepeople seem to agree that this is how it should look. So
be it.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

https://i.postimg.cc/Dw8Mrfkt/Cave-Woman.jpg

[dsi1]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Yoose guys prefer to call it a swan.

[Bruce]

No, I think that's mainly an American hobby. You have contests and TV
programs about it. The participants tend to be bearded men with huge
bellies.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:42:00 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:37:55 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:33:24 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:59:35 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's not burnt, you idiots. You're just ignorant of real
>> >> barbecue.
>> >>
>> >> -sw
>> >>
>> >You, Ed, and I know what proper slow and low smoked meat
>> >looks like.    🤜🤛
>> >
>> All the cavepeople seem to agree that this is how it should look. So
>> be it.
>>
>https://i.postimg.cc/Dw8Mrfkt/Cave-Woman.jpg

A fine example :)

[Cindy Hamilton]

Most of the rest of the world uses BBQ indiscriminantly for
grilled meat. I suppose if you don't have a tradition of
low and slow, it doesn't matter--the distinction is unnecessary.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce]

In Australia, as far as I know, BBQ is for meats that cook in max 15
minutes or so. I'm sure there will be Australians who smoke meats for
hours, but I don't think it's very common. It's about meat, beer and
sun, not about a lot of preparation.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I don't want to participate in an BBQ competitions but I'll happily sample
their results; sans the beer. Some of their BBQ-ing rigs are quite ingenious.

One of the guys at work, and his brother, would make smokers out of new
55-gallon drums. They'd also make a frame for it to rest on horizontally.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

> Cindy Hamilton
>
The word barbecue/barbecuing encompasses both methods. Therefore
my question to Bruce about steaks/burgers or something cooked low and
slow for many, many hours??

It also denotes a gathering. George Washington: "I went to a barbecue, danced,
and stayed all night."

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 15:04:58 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:55:15 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 13:37:24 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> Even in the days when I still ate meat and BBQ meat, I never had
>> >> something like that. Maybe it's an American thing.
>> >>
>> >Barbecued as in steak and/or burgers or a pork shoulder or ribs that
>> >have smoked on a grill or in a smoker (which implies low and slow)
>> >for hours and hours at an extremely low temperature??
>> >
>> No, I think that's mainly an American hobby. You have contests and TV
>> programs about it. The participants tend to be bearded men with huge
>> bellies.
>>
>I don't want to participate in an BBQ competitions but I'll happily sample
>their results; sans the beer. Some of their BBQ-ing rigs are quite ingenious.

Yes, they can look like operating theatres.

>One of the guys at work, and his brother, would make smokers out of new
>55-gallon drums. They'd also make a frame for it to rest on horizontally.

Does he have a beard and a big belly?

[Dave Smith]

When I checked out the numbers today 5% of Americans eat a meat free diet.

[Bruce]

Is this something that trumpf supporters would find "funny"?

[Alex]

I was wondering what that was. Corn with queso blanco?

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-24, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> "According to a 2022 study by the Vegetarian Times, an estimated 3.7%
> of adults in Hawaii do not eat meat."

About the same amount that own electric cars.

[dsi1]

This place is infested with Tesla. You can't drive anywhere without plowing into one.

[Dave Smith]

On 2023-07-25 5:12 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> Barbecued as in steak and/or burgers or a pork shoulder or ribs that
>> have smoked on a grill or in a smoker (which implies low and slow)
>> for hours and hours at an extremely low temperature??
>
> Most of the rest of the world uses BBQ indiscriminantly for
> grilled meat. I suppose if you don't have a tradition of
> low and slow, it doesn't matter--the distinction is unnecessary.
>

Around here we have charcoal and gas grills that we call BBQ. If it is
cooked on one of those critters, either grilled, roasted or rotisseries,
it is called BBQing. It can be meat, fish ore vegetables. Basically, it
you cook it outside it is BBQed,

[Dave Smith]

Likely mostly the same people.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-25, dsi1 <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

> Me neither. My guess is that it is an American thing. I think it was called a dino-bone. It cost 36 bucks. The bone can be used for mugging tourists or removing tires from rims.

> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zonUJ3LToFR5f2QD8

Were I smoking dope, and I'm not, that hunk of meat would look like a
dead sperm whale, incinerated in a undersea volcano. The mouth's a little
big though. Whoa...I must have had a flashback from the early Seventies!
Stay off drugs, kids.

[dsi1]

Moby Beef? That's the happiest burnt sperm whale I've ever seen. It reminds me of my younger days with Uncle Ahab - the dope smoking sea capt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08A-jXPVx68

[Bruce]

On 25 Jul 2023 23:01:00 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

It's good for the animals, for the environment and for your health.
What's not to like?

[Bruce]

That's good. Modernity, yay!

[Bruce]

Yes, good people.

[Bruce]

On 25 Jul 2023 23:16:06 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

Eew, that looks terrible. I missed that earlier. Is that really food?

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-07-25, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 4:13:04 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> On 2023-07-25, itsjoan...@webtv.net <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> > Barbecued as in steak and/or burgers or a pork shoulder or ribs that
>> > have smoked on a grill or in a smoker (which implies low and slow)
>> > for hours and hours at an extremely low temperature??
>> >
>> Most of the rest of the world uses BBQ indiscriminantly for
>> grilled meat. I suppose if you don't have a tradition of
>> low and slow, it doesn't matter--the distinction is unnecessary.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
> The word barbecue/barbecuing encompasses both methods.

In some circles, them's fightin' words.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Sqwertz]

Mexican crema, cilantro, lime, chile powder. Cotija cheese is
pretty common too - kinda like a crumbly Mexican feta.

-sw

[Bruce]

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 3:02:14 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:50:34 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

> > On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 08:59:33 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 9:01:44 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:35:31 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> > >> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 12:59:17 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > >> >>

> > >> >> > >https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZyzLDuzVBWEvdWj59
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > >https://photos.app.goo.gl/eqaunJWfdgCh8KBx8
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > >https://photos.app.goo.gl/bD4VVorJeXQFBmyr7
> > >> >> >

> > >> >> I enjoy burning my food but these guys take it to a whole different level.
> > >> >>
> > >> >The meat doesn't look burnt to me; it just looks like the spices used in the
> > >> >rub have darkened due to the long and slow smoking. That's the way a
> > >> >pork shoulder looks when I smoke one.
> > >> It doesn't look very healthy, but if it doesn't taste burnt, that's
> > >> something.
> > >
> > >Indeed, it is burnt. That's purely intentional. I like to burn my food too. That's purely intentional. This is mostly achieved by the use of sugar. You probably won't be able to burn your food like that without sugar. If you know what you're doing, it's not going to taste burnt. I suppose it might look a little unpleasant.
> > >
> > >https://photos.app.goo.gl/1KAGL3Xn5hsvDfyS7
> > Even in the days when I still ate meat and BBQ meat, I never had
> > something like that. Maybe it's an American thing.

> Me neither. My guess is that it is an American thing. I think it was called a dino-bone. It cost 36 bucks. The bone can be used for mugging tourists or removing tires from rims.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zonUJ3LToFR5f2QD8

Please add that France is a country in Europe where English isn't the
first language. We don't want to confuse the RFC'ers.

[Michael Trew]

I saw a Tesla that was rusting today. That seemed pretty crazy, because
they all seem like such new cars. Maybe they'll rust through faster
than other cars... we shall see (in the rust belt).

[Gary]

On 7/24/2023 3:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:59:13 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>
>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 10:26:55 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> "According to a 2022 study by the Vegetarian Times, an estimated 3.7%
>>> of adults in Hawaii do not eat meat."
>>

>> We live on the island of Oahu, which is the most populated island in Hawaii. The other islands are like ghost towns compared to Oahu. You live on the other islands if you like life at a slower pace.

>> I enjoy burning my food but these guys take it to a whole different level.

>> I estimate that there's more than 3.7% vegetarians in Hawaii. My wife, daughter, and granddaughter, at times have been semi-vegetarian. My nephew and his wife are hard-core vegans. They're moving back to California so they don't count.
>
> I asked my artificially intelligent friend again and this time he or
> she or neither came up with higher numbers. Percentage of vegans and
> vegetarians combined:
> Hawaii: 20.23%
> California: 18.51%
> Virginia: 17.91%
> Texas: 6.49%
>
> I think that the younger and more educated people are, the higher the
> chance that they don't eat meat. It's slowly becoming a lower
> socio-economic thing, like smoking.

These surveys are missing an important factor, imo.
Rather than count vegetarians they should count separate meals.

I'm not a vegetarian yet about 80% of my meals would qualify.

[Dave Smith]

Same here. I rarely have meat with my breakfast. We have one or two
vegetarian dinners each week. I have one or two lunches per week that
involved leftover meat.

[Ed P]

So you are 80% vegetarian? Yesterday I was a 50%.
You still qualify as omnivore. not vegetarian.

[Graham]

I only eat meat at the evening meal and then not much.

[Bruce]

If you eat cereal for breakfast, a peanut butter sandwich for lunch
and meat with dinner, I don't think you should be counted other than
as a carnivore.

[Bruce]

I think so too.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Don't you mean an omnivore??

[Bruce]

Yes. Well, I was thinking "meat eater" = "carnivore".

[Dave Smith]

You are assuming more of him than he is capable of.

[Hank Rogers]

Master druce will sniff omnivore, carnivore, and herbivore
asses. He is an omnisniffer.

[Bruce]

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 05:27:56 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:23:59 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 07:50:12 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >I'm not a vegetarian yet about 80% of my meals would qualify.
>>> >
>>> If you eat cereal for breakfast, a peanut butter sandwich for lunch
>>> and meat with dinner, I don't think you should be counted other than
>>> as a carnivore.
>>>
>>Don't you mean an omnivore??
>
>Yes. Well, I was thinking "meat eater" = "carnivore".

I asked my artificially intelligent friend what they thought about
this:
"So, to answer your question, a carnivore human would only eat meat if
they were only eating meat. However, if they were a carnivore, then
they would only need to eat meat."

Can AI have an off day?

[Hank Rogers]

Oh, cut him some slack. He's not a duly sworn officer such as
you, so he must rely on trickery to sniff asses. You probably
get a good whiff every time you make an arrest, officer dave.

You know he loves you and wants to emulate you. Hell, it's
about time he started forging officer dave posts again.

[dsi1]

The AI thinks it's a dumb question. Humans get thrown off when machines get facetious or show a sense of humor. My guess is that machines are actually very funny people. AI will lead us into new realms of funny.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/9bhbgg62CFC1jpAD6

[Hank Rogers]

But currently, only asians are aware. Eventually whites will
slowly figure it out and catch up.

[Bruce]

A dumb question? Moi?

[jmcquown]

I don't know why anyone is bothering to gather percentages other than to
attempt to pidgeonhole people into specific categories so they can
disagree with them and push an agenda.

I don't know about you but I like eating food that tastes good. If it
involves meat, I'm fine with it. If it doesn't, I'm also fine with it.
I draw the line at weirdo vegans who think it's cruel to milk a cow.
Pescetarians are caught somewhere in the middle between being vegetarian
and liking fish and can't seem to decide whether a fish is animal,
vegetable or mineral. LOL

These surveys are skewed not only based on the questions but on the
demographics of the group/organization writing the survey questions. I
take online surveys for fun. Many times, before I can even get a few
questions in (not even sure what the actual subject is yet), I'm
screened out based on my age and other demographic information. "Thank
you for participating. Our client has already reached the quota of
respondents in your demographic group." IOW, they are looking for the
younger, seemingly more hip people to answer the questions which point
more towards the answers they WANT, not actual, factual data. And if
those younger hip people don't answer the way they want, they get
screened out, too.

Tonight I'm having broccoli, rice & cheddar cheese casserole for dinner.
No meat involved. I don't always eat meat. I will not apologize for
loving a good steak from time to time.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:36:09 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>I don't know why anyone is bothering to gather percentages other than to
>attempt to pidgeonhole people into specific categories so they can
>disagree with them and push an agenda.

It's interesting to me to know if the number of vegetarians and vegans
is increasing, boomers slowly being replaced by young people.

When you post pictures of hummingbirds, do you first wonder whether
I'm interested in them?

>I don't know about you but I like eating food that tastes good. If it
>involves meat, I'm fine with it. If it doesn't, I'm also fine with it.
>I draw the line at weirdo vegans who think it's cruel to milk a cow.

Come on, use your brain a bit. There's a lot wrong with the dairy
industry, other than milking.

>Pescetarians are caught somewhere in the middle between being vegetarian
>and liking fish and can't seem to decide whether a fish is animal,
>vegetable or mineral. LOL

LOL, Jill!

<snip tldr>

>Tonight I'm having broccoli, rice & cheddar cheese casserole for dinner.
> No meat involved. I don't always eat meat. I will not apologize for
>loving a good steak from time to time.

Maybe your neighbour will not apologise for beating up his wife from
time to time.

[jmcquown]

Apparently for Bruce there is no in-between. Except Bruce occasionally
eats fish. Apparently fish aren't meat, hence the fun term pesceterian.
It's okay for them to eat something that was killed for their food
benefit, but only if it didn't moo, cluck, quack or oink?

Jill

[Bruce]

On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:03:16 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On 7/27/2023 3:23 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> If you eat cereal for breakfast, a peanut butter sandwich for lunch
>>> and meat with dinner, I don't think you should be counted other than
>>> as a carnivore.
>>>
>> Don't you mean an omnivore??
>
>Apparently for Bruce there is no in-between.

Rather than be snarky and argumentative about it, we could also try to
use our brains. Is a carnivore someone who eats meat (since carnivore
means meat eater) or is a carnivore someone who only eats meat and
nothing else?

This is your homework for today, Jill.

>Except Bruce occasionally eats fish. Apparently fish aren't meat, hence
>the fun term pesceterian. It's okay for them to eat something that was
>killed for their food benefit, but only if it didn't moo, cluck, quack or oink?

I rarely eat fish, but sometimes I still do. I don't live alone, like
Jill, you know.

[Hank Rogers]

jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/27/2023 3:23 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

>> On Thursday, July 27, 2023 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 07:50:12 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not a vegetarian yet about 80% of my meals would qualify.
>>>>
>>> If you eat cereal for breakfast, a peanut butter sandwich
>>> for lunch
>>> and meat with dinner, I don't think you should be counted
>>> other than
>>> as a carnivore.
>>>
>> Don't you mean an omnivore??
>
>
> Apparently for Bruce there is no in-between.  Except Bruce
> occasionally eats fish.  Apparently fish aren't meat, hence the
> fun term pesceterian.  It's okay for them to eat something that
> was killed for their food benefit, but only if it didn't moo,
> cluck, quack or oink?
>
> Jill

Your majesty is overwrought. Master druce has been sniffing
your ass for many years. You still get really worked up. It's
hilarious.

[Bruce]

On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 2:47:34 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 4:53:09 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 18:19:09 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> > <bryang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Gotta try to keep up with the tomatoes.
> > >https://www.flickr.com/photos/36178182@N08/albums/72177720309975506
> > >
> > >I'm going to be eating a lot of BLT salads this summer.
> > Dead pig left, right and centre. I believe there's even dead pig in
> > the salad.

> We went to a new restaurant that opened up yesterday. My granddaughter had the dead pig. My son had a huge rib and I had some brisket. This town sure needed a BBQ restaurant. I feel like we've hit the big time. Hopefully, this doesn't mean this place will become a tourist town. Who the heck needs that?
>

> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZyzLDuzVBWEvdWj59
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/eqaunJWfdgCh8KBx8
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/bD4VVorJeXQFBmyr7

You forgot to say John Kuthe.

[dsi1]

That is crazy. I've never seen rust on a Tesla. I've never checked one out closely. The cars I've owned in the past were mostly rust buckets. New cars today however, don't seem to rust out. It seems like they've solved that problem.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-27, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Rather than be snarky and argumentative about it, we could also try to
> use our brains. Is a carnivore someone who eats meat (since carnivore
> means meat eater) or is a carnivore someone who only eats meat and
> nothing else?

A carnivore lives on sentient life.
A herbivore lives on non-sentient life.
A omnivore lives on both.

Accidental ingestion of bugs by herbivores and plants by carnivores
while eating doesn't reclassify them.

I expect that a "new study" will soon imply that plants are sentient.
Hair will catch on fire. Movements will start. Nothing will come of it.

[Bruce]

On 29 Jul 2023 00:22:17 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

<leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2023-07-27, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Rather than be snarky and argumentative about it, we could also try to
>> use our brains. Is a carnivore someone who eats meat (since carnivore
>> means meat eater) or is a carnivore someone who only eats meat and
>> nothing else?
>
>
>A carnivore lives on sentient life.

Only on sentient life?

If a beer drinker drinks coffee with their breakfast, are they no
longer a beer drinker?

>A herbivore lives on non-sentient life.
>A omnivore lives on both.
>
>Accidental ingestion of bugs by herbivores and plants by carnivores
>while eating doesn't reclassify them.
>
>I expect that a "new study" will soon imply that plants are sentient.
>Hair will catch on fire. Movements will start. Nothing will come of it.

But nobody doubts that animals are sentient beings.

[Ed P]

How would you classify this? Payback? On a recent episode of a show
Signs of a Psychopath, a Robert went missing. Police questioned the
woman that employed him. She stated: "by the time I saw him, the pigs
already ate half of him and his guts were all over"

[GM]

How about a "new study" that implies that plants are "gender - fluid"...???

--
GM

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-29, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 29 Jul 2023 00:22:17 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
><leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>A carnivore lives on sentient life.

> Only on sentient life?

Yes, except by accident. Everything chows down on microbes by accident.
It's OK. The microbes love it.

> If a beer drinker drinks coffee with their breakfast, are they no
> longer a beer drinker?

Straw man, false flag, has nothing to do with this.

>>I expect that a "new study" will soon imply that plants are sentient.
>>Hair will catch on fire. Movements will start. Nothing will come of it.

> But nobody doubts that animals are sentient beings.

Yet, everyone wonders what that has to do with anything, except you.
Believe your AI buddy. He/she/they are right. Whatever happened to "it"?

There was an accident! Did you see they?

[Bruce]

Yes, tit-for-tat. At least, they don't BBQ us first.

[Michael Trew]

I guess that's the downside to no Google in my pocket. My Nokia 3390
does not have a camera, and I usually don't carry one. Either way, the
Tesla had light surface rust, and certainly no rot... yet.

I have a truck/trailer reservation for 9 AM tomorrow at the local Uhaul.
I'm driving to Cumberland MD to fetch a '69 Impala. Surface rust
abound, but it's a unicorn. Factory V8 with a 3-on-the-tree... that's
just wild. I didn't realize such a combination could be had on a
high-end full size late 60's car.

[Bruce]

On 29 Jul 2023 02:23:24 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell

<leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2023-07-29, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 29 Jul 2023 00:22:17 GMT, Leonard Blaisdell
>><leobla...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>>A carnivore lives on sentient life.
>
>> Only on sentient life?
>
>Yes, except by accident. Everything chows down on microbes by accident.
>It's OK. The microbes love it.
>
>> If a beer drinker drinks coffee with their breakfast, are they no
>> longer a beer drinker?
>
>Straw man, false flag, has nothing to do with this.

Don't you see the parallel? A beer drinker can also drink other drinks
and still be called a beer drinker. A meat eater can also eat other
foods and still be called a meat eater? No?

>
>>>I expect that a "new study" will soon imply that plants are sentient.
>>>Hair will catch on fire. Movements will start. Nothing will come of it.
>
>> But nobody doubts that animals are sentient beings.
>
>Yet, everyone wonders what that has to do with anything, except you.

You're the one who brought up "sentient".

[GM]

Many big cars then had base models - Newport, LeSabre, Monterrey, Catalina, Polara, 88 - with a three - on - the - tree as standard. This was to ostensibly offer a more "competitive" price...

Chrysler for example used the ad phrase "For just a few dollars more than the 'Low - Priced Three', move UP to Chrysler!" to sell Newports...

True, it got you a standard 383, but the Torqueflite was optional...

Same with a Catalina - a standard 389, but automatic optional...

A New Yorker, 98, Electra 225, Park Lane, or Bonneville would have automatics as standard equipment...

In '69, even a Caprice came standard IIRC with a standard transmission, automatic was optional... as on a stripper Biscayne... same with full - size Fords and Plymouths...

I grew up around miserly farmers, I remember some mid - late 60's big cars in the showrooms that had standard shift trannies... these were strippers, which the Depression - raised rural folk still bought...

Report back on the Impala...!!!

--
GM

[dsi1]

Those old boat suspensions certainly did sway, pitch, and roll. That is an interesting combination. It doesn't make much sense to me. I've had manual cars before and enjoyed them but they were small, lightweight, cars. I've never had a V8 with a manual before. I wouldn't mind trying one but it would be tough to live with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHvIv01QNhA

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-29, Ed P <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:

> How would you classify this? Payback? On a recent episode of a show
> Signs of a Psychopath, a Robert went missing. Police questioned the
> woman that employed him. She stated: "by the time I saw him, the pigs
> already ate half of him and his guts were all over"

I saw that! The pigs were omnivores, but we all knew that. The woman
thingy was a ghoul.