Info On Coffee Pot

[Shirley Pace]

I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks,
SCP

[PENMART01]

(Shirley Pace) wrote:
>
>I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>hold the coffee and the lid.

Sounds like a perolater... if so you forgot one very important part, the little
glass thingie in the lid... if it's missing you need to get one, the pot won't
work without it. Most any kitchenware store or kitchen gadget section of the
stupidmarket will have them displayed.. most percolaters take a universal size.

>This company went out of business in
>1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.

There should be 'fill' lines marked inside the pot for water and corresponding
lines inside the basket for coffee grounds. Fill the pot with water and the
basket with coffee to the desired markings, place the basket into th epot, pop
on the lid and place on your stovetop. Heat until you begin to hear the water
burping/*percolating* and lower heat until the pot perks gently but steadily.
Coffee will be ready in about ten minutes... adjust coffee/water quantity
and/or perk time to produce coffee to your taste. With a manual perolater you
must keep close tabs on it's operation or it may boil over or worse, water may
boil away resulting in a destroyed pot. I predict you will shortly assign your
old percolater a place on your next tag sale list.

Sheldon
````````````
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."

[Michael Edelman]

> (Shirley Pace) wrote:
> >
> >I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> >WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> >insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> >hold the coffee and the lid.

Throw it out. Percolating is the absolute worst way to make coffee. It just
continually reboils the coffee and insures that all the aromatics are extracted
from the brew before it's ever poured into a cup!

Actually, there *is* a good use for percolators. Toss the innards and use the pot
by itself for cooking asparagus. Put about 2" of water in the bottom, place the
stalks in and heat to boiling. The tough lower sections boil and the rest of the
stem steams.

-- mike
-----------------------------------
Michael Edelman m...@spamcop.net
http://www.foldingkayaks.org
http://www.findascope.com

[Melba's Jammin']

In article <20011023084954...@nso-mv.aol.com>,
penm...@aol.como (PENMART01) wrote:

> (Shirley Pace) wrote:
> >
> >I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> >WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> >insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> >hold the coffee and the lid.
>
> Sounds like a perolater... if so you forgot one very important part,
> the little glass thingie in the lid... if it's missing you need to
> get one, the pot won't work without it.

(snip)
> Sheldon
> ````````````
Y'know, Sheldon, I thought percolator, too, at first. Then befoe I hit
the 'post' button on my thoughts (including the glass knob you
mentioned!) I re-read it and based on the "insert that looks like it
would hold appx. 6 cups" I got to wondering if it wasn't one of those
drip numbers that Raymond described. IdaKnow.
--
-Barb Schaller
www.JamLady.eboard.com

[rachel]

scp...@webtv.net (Shirley Pace) wrote in message news:<20251-3B...@storefull-625.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

This sounds like the kind of drip coffeepot that my parents used to
use -- and have all of us looking for at garage sales.
Let's see if I can describe it: the bottom-most piece has a spout &
handle. The strainer insert (also aluminum) fits into that piece, &
has some sort of markings on the inside (I forget if they're numbers,
or just lines). The top piece I think also has a handle, & drip holes
in the bottom. (and then there's the lid).
Is that it? I've never dealt with a percolator, so I can't compare...
but I know wearever made the pots I'm thinking of.
(you put the ground coffee in the strainer, up to the top marking, &
pour boiling water right up to the top -- if you want coffee the way
my folks like it! And you leave it on the lowest setting of the
smallest burner so that it will be scaldingly hot when dinner's over
;) )

Rachel

[PENMART01]

In article <8embttce4u47lov9k...@4ax.com>, Raymond
<rm3...@home.com> writes:

>(PENMART01) wrote:
>
>>(Shirley Pace) wrote:
>>>

>>>I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>>>WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>>>insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>>>hold the coffee and the lid.
>>

>>Sounds like a perolater..
>
>No, it's not a percolator. It's a dripper. Different concept.
>Google on wearever coffee pot will get pictures.

Don't need to look... it's the precursor to the ADC machine... anyone who
couldn't figure it out from looking at one is a monkey.

[Melba's Jammin']

In article <20011023184645...@nso-mv.aol.com>,
penm...@aol.como (PENMART01) wrote:

Sheldon, Luv, don't be an ass. Do the right thing and admit to the man
that you were in error and he was right. C'mon, Ducks, maybe you won't
feel better but a bunch of others will. I'm waiting. . . . or it's
gonna be the Hug Rug for you!!
Love,
Mom
--
-Barb Schaller
www.JamLady.eboard.com

[PENMART01]

Raymond <rm3...@home.com> writes:

>The subject is coffee pots, not penises and testicles, so you are out
>of your area of expertise and you really need to look it up.

Asshole!

Ahahahahahahaha. . .

[amysbr...@gmail.com]

Howdy, it is not a perculator. I use mine every day. Put water in pot up to bottom of spout. Then the "basket" that attatches to the bottom of the top half is where grounds go. I use a filter because these were used when coffee was ground coarse and with store bought coffe you will get grounds in your coffer without a filter.fold filter over edge of basket i use 3 scoops of grounds then attatch back to the top. Boil water in lower "pot" DO NOT put top portion with basket and grounds on top of pot.you dont want steam or water touching the coffee grounds at this time. Once water is hot, then you hold top half in one hand then pour water into top half from the pot. Then put it back on the empty pot and wait 5 minutes and you have very good coffee. Water will NOT immediatley start running out the bottom when you pour water in top half but its important to keep the grounds and filter dry because this gives you a little longer before water starts to drip out. Pour over your sink first couple times until you get used to how much time it takes water to start dripping. It is actually very simple once you figure it out and is fast. You have all the parts it came with knew in or around the 1930's hope you get to enjoy yours, mine is used everday and i love the ease of it while campin too.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 11:51:12 AM UTC-5, amysbr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Howdy, it is not a perculator.
>

SNIP, SNIP, SNIP.
>
Love the FIFTEEN YEAR OLD posts.
That coffee pot has probably been in a land
fill for years. And the correct spelling is
percolator.

[John Kuthe]

That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!

John Kuthe...

[Bruce]

In article <d415cb67-4956-4f77...@googlegroups.com>,
johnk...@gmail.com says...

Weren't you supposed to put the pot on the pilot flame in the old days,
so you get some heat, but you don't boil the water or the coffee?

[dsi1]

This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.

[Brooklyn1]

On Sun, 8 May 2016 21:54:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

A drip coffee maker brews exactly the same as a modern ADC only it's
manual, which means you need to heat the water separately and pour it
yourself. The dripolators made the best coffee, only problem is they
were PIA to clean so it's advisable to use a paper filter in the
coffee grounds basket... ordinary ADC paper filters work just fine. My
parents had several, different brands/sizes... yes, they had a couple
of Wearever drips... and no, they do not boil the water.
Good explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4ncWWqjno

[Taxed and Spent]

even percolators don't boil the water.

[John Kuthe]

No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling it!! :-(

John Kuthe...

[Sqwertz]

On 5/9/2016 9:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling it!! :-(
>
> John Kuthe...

Get a hold of yourself man!

Be glad it wasn't done in China...

[John Kuthe]

Aha! A reasonably good video of how those Dripolators work! Same basic principle as French Presses, etc. Put just boiled water into and on top of a pile of coffee grounds and let it drip through them extracting all the yummy coffee goodness!! :-) Of course my Mr Coffee drip coffee maker does the same basic thing!

John Kuthe...

[Biz Cochito]

On 5/9/2016 9:26 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> Of course my Mr Coffee drip coffee maker does the same basic thing!
>
> John Kuthe...

But it was made in CHINA!!!

[Brooklyn1]

Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
perk.

[Brooklyn1]

On Mon, 9 May 2016 08:21:15 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
<johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 10:54:06 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> In article <d415cb67-4956-4f77...@googlegroups.com>,
>> johnk...@gmail.com says...
>> >
>> > On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>> > > I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>> > > WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>> > > insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>> > > hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>> > > 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>> > > please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > SCP
>> >
>> > That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>
>> Weren't you supposed to put the pot on the pilot flame in the old days,
>> so you get some heat, but you don't boil the water or the coffee?

Nope. But drips were pre nuke so often cold coffee was reheated on
the stove top but not boiled unless you forgot about it... was wise to
leave the lid off and stand by to watch for the first simmer bubbles
at the edge.

>No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling it!! :-(
>
>John Kuthe...

He's tawkin' drip, not perk... very different animals.

[John Kuthe]

I know. Most stuff is these days. A disgusting Truth!! I should have gotten a Bunn coffee maker, they are still made in the U.S.!

John Kuthe...

[Taxed and Spent]

wrong. do some research.

[John Kuthe]

It starts boiling as 100% water but as soon as any coffee leaches out gets into the mix, you are boiling the coffee! In Differential Equations that's called a Well Mixed problem.

John Kuthe...

[Gobernador]

On 5/9/2016 10:06 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:


>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along.
>>> Nothing to see here.
>>
>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>
> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
> perk.
>

+1

[Nunya Bidnits]

On 5/9/2016 10:15 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:31:57 AM UTC-5, Biz Cochito wrote:
>> On 5/9/2016 9:26 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> Of course my Mr Coffee drip coffee maker does the same basic thing!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>
>> But it was made in CHINA!!!
>
> I know. Most stuff is these days. A disgusting Truth!!

So why do you use it?

> I should have gotten a Bunn coffee maker, they are still made in the U.S.!
>
> John Kuthe...

Bunn-O-Matic, yay!

[Gobernador]

On 5/9/2016 10:16 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>>>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making
>>>>> rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry
>>>>> a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No
>>>> violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>
>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>
>> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
>> perk.
>>
>
> wrong. do some research.

To perk it must boil.

http://www.howtobrewcoffee.com/percolator.htm

The percolator consists of a pot with a chamber at the bottom, closest
to the source of heat. A vertical tube leads from this chamber to the
top of the percolator. Just below the upper end of this tube is a
perforated chamber. The grounds go in the top chamber, water in the
bottom. When the water boils, it travels up the tube, over the grounds,
cooling the water, then back down to the bottom chamber to cycle again.

[Orographic]

On 5/9/2016 10:17 AM, John Kuthe wrote:


>> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
>> perk.
>
> It starts boiling as 100% water but as soon as any coffee leaches out gets into the mix, you are
> boiling the coffee! In Differential Equations that's called a Well Mixed problem.
>
> John Kuthe...
>

[col...@gmail.com]

It could be a moka pot. I drink press pot coffee but I'd rather have good percolator coffee than drip coffee.

[dsi1]

I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.

If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.

All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.

[Taxed and Spent]

your instinct is correct:

The heat source under the percolator (such as a range or stove) heats
the water in the bottom chamber. Water at the very bottom of the chamber
gets hot first and starts to boil. The boiling makes bubbles rise up and
push water up the vertical tube then out the top of the vertical tube.
From the top of the tube, the water flows out and over the lid of the
coffee chamber. Perforations in the lid distribute the water over the
top of the coffee grounds. The water then seeps through the coffee
grounds then through the bottom of the coffee chamber. From the bottom
of the coffee chamber, the water drops onto the colder water at the top
of the bottom chamber, helping to force water up the tube. This whole
cycle repeats continuously.

As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall
temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the
"perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes)
stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking. In a manual percolator it
is important to remove or reduce the heat at this point (keeping in mind
the adage "Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled"). Brewed coffee left on high
heat for too long will acquire a bitter taste.


(this is what I meant when I posted "do some research". But alas, that
was not to be . . .)

[Gary]

col...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It could be a moka pot. I drink press pot coffee but I'd rather have good percolator coffee than drip coffee.

Thinking back, the best cup of coffee that I ever had was made in an
old percolator. Naturally, the brand of coffee was a factor too but it
was good.

[Taxed and Spent]

yep. Because it wasn't boiled.

[John Kuthe]

Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled!! I LOVE that!! :-)

John Kuthe...

[dsi1]

I've already done years of preliminary research. To proceed, I now need specialized equipment and a lab. A big fat research grant would also be required. I can hardly wait!

[John Kuthe]

I've done my research, experimentally. Simple drip coffee maker with what many would consider too much freshly ground Sumatran coffee, and viola! YUM!! Simple, reliable, easily reproduced and most importantly, plenty of 1,3,7 trimethylxanthine (caffeine) and delicious flavor!!

John Kuthe...

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-05-09 9:41 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation
>> at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>
>
> even percolators don't boil the water.

?? Of course they boil water. It is the boiling that forces the water
up the pipe to the coffee basket. As the process continues the same
water is repeatedly boiled and drips back down, over and over and
getting stronger and stronger.

[Dave Smith]

I didn't need to do the research because I have made enough percolator
coffee to know that it does involve boiling water, but I checked to make
sure.

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-05-09 12:50 PM, col...@gmail.com wrote:
> It could be a moka pot. I drink press pot coffee but I'd rather have
> good percolator coffee than drip coffee.
>

I always thought that percolators were the reason that a lot of people
didn't like coffee. I know that around here coffee started becoming a
lot more popular around the late 60s when Mellita funnels and filters
came on the market. Most households had a stove top or electric
percolators. I don't know anyone who uses them anymore. The only
percolators I see in use these days are the big urns for large groups.

[dsi1]

I'm trying to get a grant here so leave your drip coffee maker out of this!!!

[dsi1]

My guess is most folks use an automatic drip machine at home. The coffee filters were a great step in coffee brewing - no grounds or sludge on the bottom. I have a Keurig at the office. Unfortunately, I bought a big box of K-cups at Sam's Club. It's not very good but it looks like I'm stuck with it for a while. I guess I better stick with the house brand from Costco. It's pretty good.

We had a very complex little single serve Keurig machine at the hotel we were at in Kauai. It made a poor cup of coffee. Getting a good cup of coffee at a good price is getting hard these days!

[Orographic]

On 5/9/2016 12:01 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I have made enough percolator coffee to know that it does involve
> boiling water, but I checked to make sure.

Check again:

[notbob]

On 2016-05-09, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote: The only

> percolators I see in use these days are the big urns for large
> groups.

Even then, they are not all percolators. I usta eat at our company's campus
cafeteria and it had one of those huge fixed 50-100 cup brewers, which I always
thought was a true percolator. Turns out it was actually a huge drip
brewer. Usta makes some of the best "French roast" coffee I've ever
tasted.

Currently, I use an old Melitta sngl cup drip brewer (nuked H2O), a
Bialetti moka pot, and a Bodum French press to brew my joe. Bottom
line: it's the fresh roasted coffee beans that makes fer great java.

nb

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-05-09 2:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> My guess is most folks use an automatic drip machine at home. The
> coffee filters were a great step in coffee brewing - no grounds or
> sludge on the bottom. I have a Keurig at the office. Unfortunately, I
> bought a big box of K-cups at Sam's Club. It's not very good but it
> looks like I'm stuck with it for a while. I guess I better stick with
> the house brand from Costco. It's pretty good.

I can appreciate your disappointment with the Keurig machine. I know a
couple people who have them and like them, but I don't like the coffee
they have served me from those things. There is actually a coffee shop
of sorts not too far from here that has a couple Keurig machines and a
wide selection of coffee pods. You pick out your coffee pod and take it
to the counter and they run it through their machine. Even with their
commercial machines the coffee tastes like instant.

[dsi1]

My guess is that you could use a percolator with no problem. It's not really the boiling of the coffee that's the problem, it's the brewing temperature. All people who live near sea level need to do is perk their coffee in vacuum chambers. :)

[dsi1]

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:26:51 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-09 2:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > My guess is most folks use an automatic drip machine at home. The
> > coffee filters were a great step in coffee brewing - no grounds or
> > sludge on the bottom. I have a Keurig at the office. Unfortunately, I
> > bought a big box of K-cups at Sam's Club. It's not very good but it
> > looks like I'm stuck with it for a while. I guess I better stick with
> > the house brand from Costco. It's pretty good.
>
>
> I can appreciate your disappointment with the Keurig machine. I know a
> couple people who have them and like them, but I don't like the coffee
> they have served me from those things. There is actually a coffee shop
> of sorts not too far from here that has a couple Keurig machines and a
> wide selection of coffee pods. You pick out your coffee pod and take it
> to the counter and they run it through their machine. Even with their
> commercial machines the coffee tastes like instant.

My condolences. One can brew a good cup with a Keurig but it all depends on the K-cup. The restaurant that used to be next door used to brew a great tasting coffee - for a short period of time. I enjoyed it while it lasted which is pretty much all we can do.

[Brooklyn1]

On Mon, 9 May 2016 16:13:19 GMT, "l not -l" <lal...@cujo.com> wrote:

>
>On 9-May-2016, wrote:
>
>> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 8:27:38 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> > On Sun, 8 May 2016 21:54:58 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@yahoo.com>

>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>> > >> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>> > >> > I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>> > >> > WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the
>> > >> > pot,an
>> > >> > insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>> > >> > 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE
>> > >> > could
>> > >> > please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks,
>> > >> > SCP
>> > >>
>> > >> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule:
>> > >> never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a
>> > >> decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>> > >>
>> > >> John Kuthe...
>> > >
>> > >This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation
>> > >at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>> >

>> > A drip coffee maker brews exactly the same as a modern ADC only it's
>> > manual, which means you need to heat the water separately and pour it
>> > yourself. The dripolators made the best coffee, only problem is they
>> > were PIA to clean so it's advisable to use a paper filter in the
>> > coffee grounds basket... ordinary ADC paper filters work just fine. My
>> > parents had several, different brands/sizes... yes, they had a couple
>> > of Wearever drips... and no, they do not boil the water.
>> > Good explanation:
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4ncWWqjno
>>
>> Aha! A reasonably good video of how those Dripolators work! Same basic
>> principle as French Presses, etc. Put just boiled water into and on top of
>> a pile of coffee grounds and let it drip through them extracting all the
>> yummy coffee goodness!! :-) Of course my Mr Coffee drip coffee maker does

>> the same basic thing!
>>
>> John Kuthe...

>Drip brew is not the same as French Press; Press has grounds sitting in the
>water that has been poured on them, drip, does not.


Yes, with drip the plain water passes through but once, same as with a
moden ADC... comparing a drip to a French press is tantamount to
comparing a meat grinder to a food processor. I think the French
press makes poor quality coffee same as a food processor yields poor
quality meat, actually ruins meat (I won't even call it ground, a food
processor is not capable of grinding anything).

[John Kuthe]

Your GREED is showing!! :-(

John Kuthe...

[dsi1]

Your ASD is showing. I'm kidding.

[Brooklyn1]

Taxed and Spent wrote:
>Brooklyn1 wrote:
>>Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>dsi1 wrote:

>>>>John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>Shirley Pace wrote:
>>>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>>>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>>>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>>>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>>>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>>>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>>>>>

>>>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe...
>>>>
>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>
>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>

>> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
>> perk.
>
>wrong. do some research.

Don't need to do research, I occasionally use a percolator, the water
must come to a boil or it won't come up through the tube, and then the
brewed coffee keeps boiling and coming up the tube, the longer it
boils the stronger the coffee but not good to go too long or it will
taste burnt. I have an Italian espresso percolator too, water also
needs to reach boiling to work (also builds up some steam pressure,
some models incorporate a steam frother), but that pot has a resevoir
to catch the brewed coffee so it only goes through the grounds once
and the brewed coffee doesn't boil. A drip coffee maker doesn't boil
at all, not even the water, it doesn't need to sit on the stove to
operate as the water is heated in a teakettle to about 200ºF and
poured into the drip basket... most people would set the drip pot on a
trivet at table.
You obviously don't know how the different coffee makers work.

[Taxed and Spent]

The do not boil "the water", i.e. ALL of the water. They boil a
minuscule amount to cause the percolation of lower temperature water
through the coffee grounds. The coffee grounds never see liquid above
190 degrees or so, unless you do not pay attention and eave the pot on
the stove after percolation stops. This over brewing is how bad coffee
was made in a percolator by inattentive people. Some electric
percolators included temperature sensors to avoid this operator error.

[Taxed and Spent]

you don't understand percolators.

[Brooklyn1]

On Mon, 9 May 2016 09:17:52 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
<johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:06:33 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> >dsi1 wrote:

>> >> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:

>> >>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>> >>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>> >>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>> >>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>> >>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>> >>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>> >>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>> >>>>

>> >>>> Thanks,
>> >>>> SCP

>> >>>
>> >>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>> >>>
>> >>> John Kuthe...
>> >>
>> >> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>> >
>> >even percolators don't boil the water.
>>
>> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
>> perk.
>

>It starts boiling as 100% water but as soon as any coffee leaches out gets into the mix, you are boiling the coffee! In Differential Equations that's called a Well Mixed problem.
>
>John Kuthe...

No wonder you failed every school course you ever took, you are
incapable of concentrating even minimally. If you were able to pay
attention you'd know that the thread began with drip coffee makers but
somehow you decided a drip coffee maker is a percolator. Drip coffee
makers do NOT boil anything, don't need to sit on a stove... one heats
the water in a different pot to less then boiling... works exactly
like an ADC only the ADC (Automatic Drip Coffeemaker) is *Automatic*
and a drip coffee maker is manual. Your ADC doesn't boil water
either, it only heats water to less than boiling. Wake up Koochie,
lay off the weed and smell the coffee.

[Brooklyn1]

Gary wrote:
>col...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It could be a moka pot. I drink press pot coffee but I'd rather have good percolator coffee than drip coffee.

Moka pots are those Italian pressurized pots typically used to brew
espressso but also brew any style coffee fabulously, they force the
water under presssure up through the compacted grounds but once. Moka
is the brand name, other Italian companys make that kind of pot. They
are typically of an octagonal hourglass configuration. Mine is marked
Morenita - Crusinallo, Italy. Mine is a 4 cups, that's demitasse cups
or one large mug, looks like the one on the top of the page, I like to
brew Bustello with it:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=crusinallo

>Thinking back, the best cup of coffee that I ever had was made in an
>old percolator. Naturally, the brand of coffee was a factor too but it
>was good.

Also needs good water, water quality is the most important part of
coffee brewing... many people buy pricy beans, roast them to
perfection, use a thousand dollar brewing system, but pour in crapy
tap water, BLECH! They'd do much better drinking Dunkin' Doody coffee
from a paper cup.

[Brooklyn1]

Percolators definitely boil the coffee, at least on this planet.

[Taxed and Spent]

not here on earth. What planet did you say you were from?

[Taxed and Spent]

On 5/9/2016 11:25 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2016-05-09, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote: The only
>
>> percolators I see in use these days are the big urns for large
>> groups.
>
> Even then, they are not all percolators. I usta eat at our company's campus
> cafeteria and it had one of those huge fixed 50-100 cup brewers, which I always
> thought was a true percolator. Turns out it was actually a huge drip
> brewer. Usta makes some of the best "French roast" coffee I've ever
> tasted.
>
> Currently, I use an old Melitta sngl cup drip brewer (nuked H2O), a
> Bialetti moka pot, and a Bodum French press to brew my joe.

Wow! That sounds like a heck of a process! :)

[Brooklyn1]

On Mon, 9 May 2016 09:55:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>> >> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>> >>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>> >>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>> >>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>> >>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>> >>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>> >>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> SCP
>> >>
>> >> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>> >>
>> >> John Kuthe...
>> >
>> > This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>> >
>>
>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>

>I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
>
>If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
>
>All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.

Coffee is all about personal taste and everyone's is different. When
properly done a percolator can make very respectable coffee... the
Farberware electric percolator makes a decent cup because it
incorporates a timer that stops the brewing at a preset duration...
with stovetop percolators people tend to let them perk too long.
Percolators were a favorite of misers, they would use less coffee and
let it perk away... kinda like how some use teabags twice and even
thrice.

[Bruce]

In article <baee7527-bdd1-43ab...@googlegroups.com>,
johnk...@gmail.com says...
>
> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 10:54:06 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> > In article <d415cb67-4956-4f77...@googlegroups.com>,
> > johnk...@gmail.com says...

> > >
> > > On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> > > > I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> > > > WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> > > > insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> > > > hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> > > > 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> > > > please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > SCP
> > >
> > > That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> >

> > Weren't you supposed to put the pot on the pilot flame in the old days,
> > so you get some heat, but you don't boil the water or the coffee?
>
> No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling it!! :-(

Oh, I thought it was a pot that you hang a filter in, put coffee in
filter, poor hot water on coffee and let drip.

[notbob]

Don't be silly, TnS.

You jes know I use each device one-at-a-time, not all at once. ;)

nb

[Taxed and Spent]

On 5/9/2016 8:21 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 10:54:06 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> In article <d415cb67-4956-4f77...@googlegroups.com>,
>> johnk...@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> SCP
>>>
>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>>
>> Weren't you supposed to put the pot on the pilot flame in the old days,
>> so you get some heat, but you don't boil the water or the coffee?
>
> No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling it!! :-(
>

> John Kuthe...
>

That is a totally incorrect description of the operation of a coffee
percolator.

[dsi1]

I'll agree that there's all kinds of ways to make great coffee. My guess
is that it requires fresh coffee and good water mostly. A cup made with
these ingredients, freshly brewed, is going to be pretty good. Coffee
made without good, fresh, coffee or with bad water will not be good.
Coffee that has been sitting around for a while in a heated container
will probably not taste very good. It's not the rocket science that
people make it out to be. The hardest part is getting fresh coffee and
using it up before it gets stale. For good coffee, time is usually the
enemy.

[Brooklyn1]

On Mon, 9 May 2016 10:33:47 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:01:02 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>> On 5/9/2016 9:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 3:41:16 AM UTC-10, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> >> On 5/8/2016 9:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> >>> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
>> >>>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
>> >>>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
>> >>>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
>> >>>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
>> >>>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
>> >>>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
>> >>>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>> SCP
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> John Kuthe...
>> >>>
>> >>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> even percolators don't boil the water.
>> >
>> > I can't say that I've analyzed that one. I've always assumed they did but the design of the plate on the bottom is an interesting one and probably does not allow the water in the main pot to boil. Personally, I like perked coffee - it fills the house with an amazing smell. It's a most remarkable experience that the younger generation will never have.
>> >
>> > If I could, I'd just use a cheaply made aluminum one but they won't work on my induction range. The main problem with them is that they don't come in sizes that would fit most burners. They would fit the small burner on a gas range but not an electric one.
>> >
>> > All the TV cooks for years have been saying that perked coffee is bad but I've have great perked coffee. I've also had bad coffee prepared in many different ways. I haven't had a cup of coffee that suited me in weeks - that's the breaks.
>> >
>>

>> your instinct is correct:
>>
>> The heat source under the percolator (such as a range or stove) heats
>> the water in the bottom chamber. Water at the very bottom of the chamber
>> gets hot first and starts to boil. The boiling makes bubbles rise up and
>> push water up the vertical tube then out the top of the vertical tube.
>> From the top of the tube, the water flows out and over the lid of the
>> coffee chamber. Perforations in the lid distribute the water over the
>> top of the coffee grounds. The water then seeps through the coffee
>> grounds then through the bottom of the coffee chamber. From the bottom
>> of the coffee chamber, the water drops onto the colder water at the top
>> of the bottom chamber, helping to force water up the tube. This whole
>> cycle repeats continuously.
>>
>> As the brew continually seeps through the grounds, the overall
>> temperature of the liquid approaches boiling point, at which stage the
>> "perking" action (the characteristic spurting sound the pot makes)
>> stops, and the coffee is ready for drinking. In a manual percolator it
>> is important to remove or reduce the heat at this point (keeping in mind
>> the adage "Coffee boiled is coffee spoiled"). Brewed coffee left on high
>> heat for too long will acquire a bitter taste.
>>
>>
>> (this is what I meant when I posted "do some research". But alas, that
>> was not to be . . .)
>
>I've already done years of preliminary research. To proceed, I now need specialized
>equipment and a lab. A big fat research grant would also be required. I can hardly wait!

There's no lab or grant needed. All standard percolators boil the
water and in turn boil the brewed coffee over and over and over. Easy
to observe, buy a glass percolator, relatively inexpensive:
http://www.amazon.com/Medelco-Cup-Glass-Stovetop-Percolator/dp/B000V5VCPG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462825034&sr=8-1&keywords=glass+percolator
The Italian espresso percolators boil the water, actually at a rather
high temperature as the pot is pressurized and steam forces the hot
water up through the compacted grounds, but the brewed coffee is
collected imediately in a holding tank at the top of the pot where it
doesn't spill over into the remaining boiling water and doesn't itself
boil... a rather simple concept but remarkably efficient... everyone
who enjoys good coffee needs to own one of these little gems. It has
no moving parts, nothing to break but once in a while replace the
little rubber gasket... you'll know when as you'll see water vapor
emitted at the seal. The rubber seal can last many years when one is
careful not to over tighten. By flipping open the top lid you can
actually observe the coffee being collected. This is the original:
http://www.amazon.com/Original-Bialetti-Stovetop-Espresso-Patented/dp/B000CNY6UK?ie=UTF8&keywords=italian%20espresso%20percolator&qid=1462826298&ref_=sr_1_4&sr=8-4

[jmcquown]

On 5/9/2016 12:13 PM, l not -l wrote:
> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:

That really says it all. I doubt she's still worried about that coffee
pot. ;)

Jill

[John Kuthe]

You are comical ShelDUM!!! I've gotten VERY good grades in all the schools I've gone to, save for way back when when I was in public school. Engineering AND Nursing schools! How many Bachelor's Degrees do YOU have and in what areas, ShelDUM?

John Kuthe...

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-05-09 2:31 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> Currently, I use an old Melitta sngl cup drip brewer (nuked H2O),
>> a Bialetti moka pot, and a Bodum French press to brew my joe.
>> Bottom line: it's the fresh roasted coffee beans that makes fer
>> great java.
>>
>> nb
>
> My guess is that you could use a percolator with no problem. It's not
> really the boiling of the coffee that's the problem, it's the brewing
> temperature. All people who live near sea level need to do is perk
> their coffee in vacuum chambers. :)
>

I have not seen a vacuum coffee maker in years. They were quite popular
for commercial use during the late 60s but they just sort of disappeared.

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-05-09 2:40 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:

>
> Yes, with drip the plain water passes through but once, same as with a
> moden ADC... comparing a drip to a French press is tantamount to
> comparing a meat grinder to a food processor. I think the French
> press makes poor quality coffee same as a food processor yields poor
> quality meat, actually ruins meat (I won't even call it ground, a food
> processor is not capable of grinding anything).

I have had some great coffee from our French press, but it is hit and
miss. It is important to use coarse ground coffee beans.

[lucreti...@fl.it]

Not only that but I swill some boiling water round it first before I
make the coffee. I still think French Press makes the best cup at
home.

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-05-09 3:18 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 10:57 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-05-09 9:41 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation
>>>> at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>
>>
>> ?? Of course they boil water. It is the boiling that forces the water
>> up the pipe to the coffee basket. As the process continues the same
>> water is repeatedly boiled and drips back down, over and over and
>> getting stronger and stronger.
>>
>
> The do not boil "the water", i.e. ALL of the water.

Oh yes, they boil all the water. Whatever is at the bottom of the pot
and gets under that funnel thing gets heated up to boiling point and
goes up the pipe. It may not be boiling by the time it gets there, but
it was boiled to get pushed up. Then it is weak coffee and it gets
boiled again and again and again.

> The coffee grounds never see liquid above
> 190 degrees or so, unless you do not pay attention and eave the pot on
> the stove after percolation stops.

It may not be boiling when it goes through the grounds, but it most
certainly was before it got there. It would not be so bad if it went
through the basket and into a reservoir, but as it increases in strength
it is boiled over and over.

> This over brewing is how bad coffee
> was made in a percolator by inattentive people. Some electric
> percolators included temperature sensors to avoid this operator error.

Having lived through the percolator era I have to say that stove top
percolators generally made better coffee than electric machines, but you
had to keep an eye on them.

[Dave Smith]

No. He understands percolators and has explained them. It looks like you
are the one who does not understand.

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-05-09 4:00 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Mon, 9 May 2016 10:10:41 -0700, Taxed and Spent

>> yep. Because it wasn't boiled.
>
> Percolators definitely boil the coffee, at least on this planet.
>

In the course of this thread I have checked it out to confirm what I
already knew about the water boiling, and several people have cited the
proof, but he seems to be hell bent on remaining willfully ignorant.

[Taxed and Spent]

On 5/9/2016 2:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-09 3:18 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 5/9/2016 10:57 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2016-05-09 9:41 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>
>>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation
>>>>> at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>>
>>>
>>> ?? Of course they boil water. It is the boiling that forces the water
>>> up the pipe to the coffee basket. As the process continues the same
>>> water is repeatedly boiled and drips back down, over and over and
>>> getting stronger and stronger.
>>>
>>
>> The do not boil "the water", i.e. ALL of the water.
>
> Oh yes, they boil all the water. Whatever is at the bottom of the pot
> and gets under that funnel thing gets heated up to boiling point and
> goes up the pipe. It may not be boiling by the time it gets there, but
> it was boiled to get pushed up. Then it is weak coffee and it gets
> boiled again and again and again.
>
>
>
>> The coffee grounds never see liquid above
>> 190 degrees or so, unless you do not pay attention and eave the pot on
>> the stove after percolation stops.
>
> It may not be boiling when it goes through the grounds, but it most
> certainly was before it got there.

No, the water hitting the coffee grounds was not boiling. You just
don't get it.

[dsi1]

Those were pretty bizarre. They used the vacuum to draw the water
through the grinds. My brother had one. It's for when you want something
to show off during your after-dinner coffee.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81bTsC8XPuL._SL1500_.jpg

My vacuum coffee maker would work on the principal of reducing air
pressure to lower the boiling point of water by around 4 degrees C. Use
enough vacuum and you can perk your coffee at any temperature you want -
including room temperature. :)

[Taxed and Spent]

I have posted the operation of percolators, and yet you just want to
stick to your misunderstanding. bye bye.

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-05-09 4:30 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>> No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot
>> causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips
>> through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start
>> with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that
>> tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling
>> it!! :-(
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
> That is a totally incorrect description of the operation of a coffee
> percolator.

No. Not at all. He pretty well nailed it. There is a conical base for
the tube that houses the brew basket. The water on the bottom is heated
up and when it hits the boiling point it is forced up the tube and
sputters onto the filter basket. It then drips down thrown the basket
and then down into the base of the pot and at some point it ends up
getting perked back up the top... over and over.

[Taxed and Spent]

but the water hitting the coffee grounds is not boiling water.

[Dave Smith]

Sorry, but you are the one who is not getting it. The water may not be
at the boiling point when is sputters out the top of the tube in the
percolator, but it was the pressure of the boiling liquid that sent it
up the tube. Since the coffee is diffusing through the water it is
(weak) coffee that is being boiled and being sent up that tube over and
over.

[Dave Smith]

Fer crissakes... no one is saying it is boiling when it hits the
grounds. It has been acknowledged that the water cools off as it goes up
the tube, but is was boiling at the bottom when it was forced up the
tube. It started off as water but then it was weak coffee and it gets
forced up there repeatedly.... boiling coffee.

[Taxed and Spent]

NO! It is not even boiling coffee or boiling water. Other than the
MINISCULE amount of localized boiling in order to generate the bubbles
to force up the NOT BOILING liquid.

It is NOT boiling coffee.

[Brooklyn1]

Taxed and Spent wrote:

>On 5/9/2016 10:57 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2016-05-09 9:41 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>>>> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation
>>>> at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> even percolators don't boil the water.
>>
>>
>> ?? Of course they boil water. It is the boiling that forces the water
>> up the pipe to the coffee basket. As the process continues the same
>> water is repeatedly boiled and drips back down, over and over and
>> getting stronger and stronger
>

>The do not boil "the water",

You're definately suffering severe brain damage... your're not even
capable of neatening attributions... taxed and spent is a most
ignoranus putz.

[Dave Smith]

+

[col...@gmail.com]

I have a Yama vac pot but rarely use it.

[Brooklyn1]

That's not an issue, with perculators the brewed coffee drips down
into the pot where it is BOILED... over again over again. I don't
believe you've ever owned or used a perculator, you've not even a tiny
clue of the concepts regarding coffee perculators... they generally
make lousy coffee and are a PIA to clean which is why pitifully few
use one. The only reason I own a perculator is because I own a gss
stove so can use it during power outages, otherwise I'd use my ADC.
Taxed and Spent is a total ignoranus, uneducated for certain and
extremely low IQ, it's still in debate if its an imbecile, a brain
dead druggie, or both.

[Nunya Bidnits]

On 5/9/2016 2:06 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 5/9/2016 1:00 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 May 2016 10:10:41 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>> <nospam...@nonospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/9/2016 10:09 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> col...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It could be a moka pot. I drink press pot coffee but I'd rather
>>>>> have good percolator coffee than drip coffee.
>>>>
>>>> Thinking back, the best cup of coffee that I ever had was made in an
>>>> old percolator. Naturally, the brand of coffee was a factor too but it
>>>> was good.

>>>>
>>>
>>> yep. Because it wasn't boiled.
>>
>> Percolators definitely boil the coffee, at least on this planet.
>>
>

> not here on earth. What planet did you say you were from?

You really are NOT getting it at all!

To perk there must be boiling, period.

[Nunya Bidnits]

On 5/9/2016 2:30 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>> No, a percolator boils the coffee/water in the bottom of the pot
>> causing it to bubble up through a tube to the top where it drips
>> through the coffee grounds again, and again, and again... You start
>> with pure water in the bottom, and result with boiled coffee that
>> tastes like shit, because you BROKE perfectly good coffee by boiling
>> it!! :-(
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
> That is a totally incorrect description of the operation of a coffee
> percolator.

No it is NOT!

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/9/2016 12:15 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:31:57 AM UTC-5, Biz Cochito wrote:
>> On 5/9/2016 9:26 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> Of course my Mr Coffee drip coffee maker does the same basic thing!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>
>>
>> But it was made in CHINA!!!
>
> I know. Most stuff is these days. A disgusting Truth!! I should have gotten a Bunn coffee maker, they are still made in the U.S.!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

We had a Bunn. It was fast, but the water was not hot enough for really
good coffee. Now have a Technivorm Moccamaster. Much better. Made in
the Netherlands.

[Nunya Bidnits]

On 5/9/2016 4:26 PM, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>> Fer crissakes... no one is saying it is boiling when it hits the
>> grounds. It has been acknowledged that the water cools off as it goes up
>> the tube, but is was boiling at the bottom when it was forced up the
>> tube. It started off as water but then it was weak coffee and it gets
>> forced up there repeatedly.... boiling coffee.
>
> NO! It is not even boiling coffee or boiling water. Other than the
> MINISCULE amount of localized boiling in order to generate the bubbles
> to force up the NOT BOILING liquid.
>
> It is NOT boiling coffee.

It is boiling water to fall on coffee, period.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 5/9/2016 5:47 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> I have not seen a vacuum coffee maker in years. They were quite popular
> for commercial use during the late 60s but they just sort of disappeared.

You might like this

http://www.lacolombe.com/collections/brewing-equipment/products/dragon

[Taxed and Spent]

only the miniscule amount of boiling required to cause the percolation
of the non-boiling liquid. This is not the same as "boiling coffee".

[John Kuthe]

That's a whole lot more damn work than I wanna do for my cup of coffee!!

John Kuthe...

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 5:15:59 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 2:32:25 PM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 May 2016 09:17:52 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >
> > >On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 11:06:33 AM UTC-5, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> > >> Taxed and Spent wrote:

> > >> >dsi1 wrote:
> > >> >> On Sunday, May 8, 2016 at 5:48:21 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > >> >>> On Monday, October 22, 2001 at 9:48:00 PM UTC-5, Shirley Pace wrote:
> > >> >>>> I recently purchased an "old" aluminum coffee pot that was made by
> > >> >>>> WearEver,model no.966. It is a stovetop pot. It has 4 parts-the pot,an
> > >> >>>> insert that looks like it would hold appx.6 cups,a strainer basket to
> > >> >>>> hold the coffee and the lid. This company went out of business in
> > >> >>>> 1987(that was my first inquiry) so they were of no help. If ANYONE could
> > >> >>>> please explain to me how this works, I would really appreciate it.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Thanks,
> > >> >>>> SCP
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> That is an evil device and violates an important coffee making rule: never boil the coffee! No wonder Marge could never make Henry a decent cup of coffee! Marge was BOILING the coffee!!
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> John Kuthe...

> > >> >>
> > >> >> This is a drip coffee maker. It does not boil the coffee. No violation at all. Move along. Nothing to see here.
> > >> >
> > >> >even percolators don't boil the water.
> > >>

> > >> Actually perks do boil the water, and at a hard boil or they wouldn't
> > >> perk.
> > >
> > >It starts boiling as 100% water but as soon as any coffee leaches out gets into the mix, you are boiling the coffee! In Differential Equations that's called a Well Mixed problem.
> > >
> > >John Kuthe...
> >
> > No wonder you failed every school course you ever took, you are
> > incapable of concentrating even minimally. If you were able to pay
> > attention you'd know that the thread began with drip coffee makers but
> > somehow you decided a drip coffee maker is a percolator. Drip coffee
> > makers do NOT boil anything, don't need to sit on a stove... one heats
> > the water in a different pot to less then boiling... works exactly
> > like an ADC only the ADC (Automatic Drip Coffeemaker) is *Automatic*
> > and a drip coffee maker is manual. Your ADC doesn't boil water
> > either, it only heats water to less than boiling. Wake up Koochie,
> > lay off the weed and smell the coffee.
>
> You are comical ShelDUM!!! I've gotten VERY good grades in all the schools I've gone to, save for way back when when I was in public school. Engineering AND Nursing schools! How many Bachelor's Degrees do YOU have and in what areas, ShelDUM?
>
> John Kuthe...

Multiple bachelor's degrees demonstrate very little. The real test is
if you have the intelligence and discipline to pursue a graduate degree.

Cindy Hamilton

[Helpful person]

On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 6:27:00 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> Multiple bachelor's degrees demonstrate very little. The real test is
> if you have the intelligence and discipline to pursue a graduate degree.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Not at all. Almost anyone capable of achieving a bachelors degree is capable of achieving a masters or doctors degree. The work is not more difficult.

http://www.richardfisher.com

[Helpful person]

It seems that with all the rhetoric no one has properly described how a percolator works. Simply put, there is a tube containing hot water with a heater at the bottom. The heater boils the water at the bottom of the tube. The steam produced then forces the water above it up the tube, rather like blowing water out of a straw.

So, not all the water in the tube is boiled, just a small amount at the bottom of the tube. Hence some of the coffee is boiled during this process (what percentage I don't know).

Personally, I don't like percolated coffee, to me it does have that unpleasant burnt taste.

http://www.richardfisher.com

[Dave Smith]

On 2016-05-10 8:27 AM, Helpful person wrote:
> It seems that with all the rhetoric no one has properly described how
> a percolator works. Simply put, there is a tube containing hot water
> with a heater at the bottom. The heater boils the water at the
> bottom of the tube. The steam produced then forces the water above
> it up the tube, rather like blowing water out of a straw.

Actually, that was described.

> So, not all the water in the tube is boiled, just a small amount at
> the bottom of the tube. Hence some of the coffee is boiled during
> this process (what percentage I don't know).

It would be difficult to prove that every molecule of water goes up that
tube, but the process does indeed heating the water at the base to the
boiling point to produce the steam and pressure to force the water up
the tube to the basket. The process a repetitive cycle whereby there
is a constant heating to boiling and rising steam and water. The water
may not be boiling hot when it reaches the basic full of coffee grounds,
but it was boiled to get it up the pipe. After that, it is coffee of
some degree of strength and is being boiled over and over to force it up
that tube.

[Taxed and Spent]

Gee, I wonder why I didn't say something like that. Pfft! Stop calling
me "nobody"!

[Taxed and Spent]

On 5/10/2016 6:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2016-05-10 8:27 AM, Helpful person wrote:
>> It seems that with all the rhetoric no one has properly described how
>> a percolator works. Simply put, there is a tube containing hot water
>> with a heater at the bottom. The heater boils the water at the
>> bottom of the tube. The steam produced then forces the water above
>> it up the tube, rather like blowing water out of a straw.
>
> Actually, that was described.
>
>> So, not all the water in the tube is boiled, just a small amount at
>> the bottom of the tube. Hence some of the coffee is boiled during
>> this process (what percentage I don't know).
>
> It would be difficult to prove that every molecule of water goes up that
> tube, but the process does indeed heating the water at the base to the
> boiling point to produce the steam and pressure to force the water up
> the tube to the basket. The process a repetitive cycle whereby there
> is a constant heating to boiling and rising steam and water. The water
> may not be boiling hot when it reaches the basic full of coffee grounds,
> but it was boiled to get it up the pipe.

WRONG. Boiling liquid is not pushed up the tube. Nonboiling liquid is.

[notbob]

On 2016-05-09, Taxed and Spent <nospam...@nonospam.com> wrote:

> MINISCULE amount of localized boiling in order to generate the bubbles
> to force up the NOT BOILING liquid.

It can't be "localized boiling", yet "NOT BOILING liquid". It either
IS boiling or it isn't. You can't have it both ways.

What do you define "BOILING liquid" as? If you think it is water that has
reached 212 deg F, you could be wrong. Water boils at 197.3F, here at
8,000 ft elev. IOW, coffee could still not be boiling at the top of
the tube, yet be hotter than 197.3F.

Got it? ;)

nb

[S Viemeister]

The boiling water at the _bottom_, pushes water up the tube. The water
IN the tube may not be boiling, but the water at the bottom IS. And the
design of the mechanism means that after the initial bit of plain water
percolates down, there's coffee in it. This coffee-water then boils a
bit, and finds it way up the tube. The next time around, there's more
coffee in the water. It, too, boils a little...

[notbob]

On 2016-05-09, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> I have not seen a vacuum coffee maker in years. They were quite popular
> for commercial use during the late 60s but they just sort of disappeared.

What rusted out van have you been living in?

<http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AVacuum Coffee
Makers>

Vacuum coffee brewers have been all the high-end rage fer at least a
couple decades. You jes don't see then, as often, cuz they can be
kinda pricey. But, according to zealous owners, they are the best
thing that's happened to coffee since internet porn. ;)

nb

[Taxed and Spent]

yes, but a miniscule amount each time. No big deal.