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Julie Bove
Apr 10, 2013, 1:13:56 AM4/10/13
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"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
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>I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
> construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
> types of elements.
>
> Per surface (top and bottom):
>
> 1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
> things electric burners are made out of.
>
> 2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
> across the surface.
>
> 3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
> glass or ceramic tube.
>
> 4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
> Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
> heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
> as they age?
>
> All the wattages seem to be similar in the models I am considering -
> 1440 to 1800. But wattage is not a good indicator of heat output or
> efficiency so I'm not too concerned about the differences there. How
> quickly they heat up is probably more important to me (those would be
> most efficient, IMO).
>
> No offense, but I really don't care what model toaster oven you have.
> Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
> fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
> mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
> point of failure.
>
> -sw
Just curious what you use yours for? I haven't had one since the 70's. I
only ever used it for toast, perhaps a toasted sandwich and if I wanted the
taste of apple pie, I'd put applesauce on Saltine and heat them in there.
My mom uses hers for London Broil.
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Julie Bove
Apr 10, 2013, 2:00:43 AM4/10/13
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"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 22:13:56 -0700, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> Just curious what you use yours for?
>
> Everything that will fit in it, doesn't splatter, and will not be
>
>> Just curious what you use yours for?
>
> damaged by being that close to the heat source. I use the toaster
> oven 75% of the time I need to use an oven. I never use it for
> regular sliced toast - much too inefficient for that.
Oh! I guess I don't use my oven for much. I did bake that bread in it. I
do make baked apples. And I make casseroles. I guess most of that stuff
wouldn't fit in a toaster oven given the amount that I make.
Jim Elbrecht
Apr 10, 2013, 6:30:40 AM4/10/13
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:
>I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
>construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
>types of elements.
I'd give this a shot on alt.home.repair- There is a pretty robust
group of folks over there & there are more than a few engineers
[electrical and otherwise] that ponder these sorts of things.
All I know about them is--
1. The pink one that your daughter thought was cute in a dorm room
will last forever in the basement.
2. a blast from a fire extinguisher will make the fire stop. . .
forever. [and carrying it outside would have been a better idea all
around]
Jim
wrote:
>I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
>construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
>types of elements.
group of folks over there & there are more than a few engineers
[electrical and otherwise] that ponder these sorts of things.
All I know about them is--
1. The pink one that your daughter thought was cute in a dorm room
will last forever in the basement.
2. a blast from a fire extinguisher will make the fire stop. . .
forever. [and carrying it outside would have been a better idea all
around]
Jim
Ophelia
Apr 10, 2013, 6:54:08 AM4/10/13
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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/shop/
Helpful person
Apr 10, 2013, 8:04:36 AM4/10/13
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On Apr 10, 12:25 am, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
> construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
> types of elements.
>
> I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
> construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
> types of elements.
>
> Per surface (top and bottom):
>
> 1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
> things electric burners are made out of.
>
> 2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
> across the surface.
>
> 3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
> glass or ceramic tube.
>
> 4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
> Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
> heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
> as they age?
>
> All the wattages seem to be similar in the models I am considering -
> 1440 to 1800. But wattage is not a good indicator of heat output or
> efficiency so I'm not too concerned about the differences there. How
> quickly they heat up is probably more important to me (those would be
> most efficient, IMO).
>
> No offense, but I really don't care what model toaster oven you have.
> Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
> fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
> mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
> point of failure.
>
> -sw
Wattage is an almost perfect indicator of efficiency and warm up time.
>
> 1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
> things electric burners are made out of.
>
> 2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
> across the surface.
>
> 3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
> glass or ceramic tube.
>
> 4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
> Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
> heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
> as they age?
>
> All the wattages seem to be similar in the models I am considering -
> 1440 to 1800. But wattage is not a good indicator of heat output or
> efficiency so I'm not too concerned about the differences there. How
> quickly they heat up is probably more important to me (those would be
> most efficient, IMO).
>
> No offense, but I really don't care what model toaster oven you have.
> Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
> fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
> mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
> point of failure.
>
> -sw
Efficiency should not significantly differ between the types if the
stated wattage is the same. The only variables are the transformer,
which dissipates very little heat, and the thermal capacity of the
oven.
The only significant difference in efficiency and heat up time will be
insulation. As I've never seen (doesn't mean they don't exist) an
insulated toaster oven and as they all appear to have similar thermal
capacity all types will have similar efficiency.
As far as durability is concerned I've never had an element fail that
was of the dual solid rod type.
http://www.richardfisher.com
Polly Esther
Apr 10, 2013, 8:44:09 AM4/10/13
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On Apr 10, 12:25 am, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
> construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
> types of elements.
> No offense, but I really don't care what model toaster oven you have.
> Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
> fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
> mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
> point of failure.
>
> -sw
We use our toaster oven frequently and have learned to deal with its 'slow
> Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
> fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
> mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
> point of failure.
>
> -sw
to heat' tedium. Such as, I start the toaster, slice the bread, butter it
and then put it in the toaster. This one is a little faster than some. We
endured one where you could go rotate your tires and address the Christmas
cards while waiting. Polly
Pete C.
Apr 10, 2013, 8:58:20 AM4/10/13
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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
> construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
> types of elements.
>
> Per surface (top and bottom):
>
> 1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
> things electric burners are made out of.
>
> 2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
> across the surface.
>
> 3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
> glass or ceramic tube.
>
> 4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
> Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
> heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
> as they age?
>
> All the wattages seem to be similar in the models I am considering -
> 1440 to 1800. But wattage is not a good indicator of heat output or
> efficiency so I'm not too concerned about the differences there.
Wattage is absolutely the indicator of heat output and efficiency is
>
> 1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
> things electric burners are made out of.
>
> 2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
> across the surface.
>
> 3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
> glass or ceramic tube.
>
> 4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
> Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
> heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
> as they age?
>
> All the wattages seem to be similar in the models I am considering -
> 1440 to 1800. But wattage is not a good indicator of heat output or
> efficiency so I'm not too concerned about the differences there.
essentially 100% for all electric resistive heaters. All of the energy
consumed (Watts) is converted to heat.
> How
> quickly they heat up is probably more important to me (those would be
> most efficient, IMO).
they have minimal thermal mass and are not enclosed in anything that
will slow the heat radiating.
The encapsulated elements - those that are thick calrod looking units
which have the nichrome wire encapsulated in a metal tube along with
high temp insulation will be the slowest responding due to that
insulation and the thermal mass of the metal tube.
The quartz encapsulated elements will be in the middle since they are
able to radiate infrared energy readily and don't have insulation to
keep them from shorting to a metal enclosure.
None of these element types has any notable aging characteristic.
>
> No offense, but I really don't care what model toaster oven you have.
> Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
> fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
> mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
> point of failure.
greater source of failure than a simple resistive heating element.
Janet Bostwick
Apr 10, 2013, 9:47:42 AM4/10/13
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:
>I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
>construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
>types of elements.
>
>Per surface (top and bottom):
>
>1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
>things electric burners are made out of.
>
>2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
>across the surface.
>
>3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
>glass or ceramic tube.
>
>4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
>Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
>heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
>as they age?
>
>All the wattages seem to be similar in the models I am considering -
>1440 to 1800. But wattage is not a good indicator of heat output or
>efficiency so I'm not too concerned about the differences there. How
>I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
>construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
>types of elements.
>
>Per surface (top and bottom):
>
>1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
>things electric burners are made out of.
>
>2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
>across the surface.
>
>3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
>glass or ceramic tube.
>
>4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
>Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
>heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
>as they age?
>
>All the wattages seem to be similar in the models I am considering -
>1440 to 1800. But wattage is not a good indicator of heat output or
>quickly they heat up is probably more important to me (those would be
>most efficient, IMO).
>
>most efficient, IMO).
>
>No offense, but I really don't care what model toaster oven you have.
>Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
>fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
>mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
>point of failure.
>
>-sw
>Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
>fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
>mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
>point of failure.
>
Don't know whether you care or not, but Consumer's Reports likes the
Breville.
Janet US
Helpful person
Apr 10, 2013, 9:50:45 AM4/10/13
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significant. (A small oven will heat up quicker than a large one.)
http://www.richardfisher.com
William
Apr 10, 2013, 9:56:23 AM4/10/13
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On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:
>I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
>construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
>types of elements.
>
>Per surface (top and bottom):
>
>1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
>things electric burners are made out of.
>
>2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
>across the surface.
>
>3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
>glass or ceramic tube.
>
>4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
>Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
>heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
>as they age?
>
>All the wattages seem to be similar in the models I am considering -
>1440 to 1800. But wattage is not a good indicator of heat output or
>efficiency so I'm not too concerned about the differences there. How
wrote:
>I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
>construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
>types of elements.
>
>Per surface (top and bottom):
>
>1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
>things electric burners are made out of.
>
>2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
>across the surface.
>
>3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
>glass or ceramic tube.
>
>4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
>Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
>heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
>as they age?
>
>All the wattages seem to be similar in the models I am considering -
>1440 to 1800. But wattage is not a good indicator of heat output or
>quickly they heat up is probably more important to me (those would be
>most efficient, IMO).
>
>most efficient, IMO).
>
>No offense, but I really don't care what model toaster oven you have.
>Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
>fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
>mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
>point of failure.
>
>-sw
>Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
>fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
>mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
>point of failure.
>
If you believe Consumer Reports.Org and don't think they take bribes
from manufacturers to recommend their products, then look at their
best rated toaster oven which should last you 20 years or more unless
you use it outdoors...
http://www.brevilleusa.com/cooking/ovens.html
William
notbob
Apr 10, 2013, 10:43:45 AM4/10/13
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On 2013-04-10, William <Big...@Carolina.RR.Com> wrote:
> If you believe Consumer Reports.Org and don't think they take bribes
> from manufacturers to recommend their products, then look at their
> best rated toaster oven which should last you 20 years or more unless
> you use it outdoors...
Not to mention consumers are morons. CR car surveys are held in high
> If you believe Consumer Reports.Org and don't think they take bribes
> from manufacturers to recommend their products, then look at their
> best rated toaster oven which should last you 20 years or more unless
> you use it outdoors...
esteem, but I recall one back in the 80s where one model of Toyota was
given high marks by consumers and one model of Chevy received
considerably lower marks, particularly for reliability. Surprise!
Both cars models were the same car and came off the exact same assy
line at the NUMMI plant in Fremont CA. Brand perception at its worst.
nb
Kalmia
Apr 10, 2013, 10:49:10 AM4/10/13
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:13:56 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Just curious what you use yours for? I haven't had one since the 70's.
First, Jule - learn to snip, huh? Please?
>
> Just curious what you use yours for? I haven't had one since the 70's.
I use mine on average twice a day. Just this morning, I top browned some cheese on a slice of bread for some onion soup. Last night, it was baked potatoes. We're always toasting a bun for a sangwidge. I broil tomatoes in it, I've even made mini meatloaves.
If it ever quits, I have another in mind and will buy it asap. Breville - a friend loves his.
Kalmia
Apr 10, 2013, 10:52:01 AM4/10/13
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 9:47:42 AM UTC-4, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>
>
> Don't know whether you care or not, but Consumer's Reports likes the
>
> Breville.
A friend, who ponders every purchase for periods of weeks, loves his. Not cheap, but prob. worth the money. It'll be my next one, if my old dies before I do.
>
>
>
> Don't know whether you care or not, but Consumer's Reports likes the
>
> Breville.
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Helpful person
Apr 10, 2013, 11:01:49 AM4/10/13
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On Apr 10, 10:43 am, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> Not to mention consumers are morons. CR car surveys are held in high
> esteem, but I recall one back in the 80s where one model of Toyota was
> given high marks by consumers and one model of Chevy received
> considerably lower marks, particularly for reliability. Surprise!
> Both cars models were the same car and came off the exact same assy
> line at the NUMMI plant in Fremont CA. Brand perception at its worst.
>
> nb
Presumably Chevy Nova and Toyota corolla. The resale prices are also
> Not to mention consumers are morons. CR car surveys are held in high
> esteem, but I recall one back in the 80s where one model of Toyota was
> given high marks by consumers and one model of Chevy received
> considerably lower marks, particularly for reliability. Surprise!
> Both cars models were the same car and came off the exact same assy
> line at the NUMMI plant in Fremont CA. Brand perception at its worst.
>
> nb
interesting. Some time back I bought a Pontiac Vibe a lot cheaper
than the Toyota Matrix. (I know, the Toyota looks better, but not by
that much.)
http://www.richardfisher.com
spamtrap1888
Apr 10, 2013, 11:21:22 AM4/10/13
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On Apr 9, 9:25 pm, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
> construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
> types of elements.
>
> Per surface (top and bottom):
>
> 1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
> things electric burners are made out of.
>
> 2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
> across the surface.
>
> 3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
> glass or ceramic tube.
>
> 4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
> Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
> heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
> as they age?
>
Friends received a quite expensive Cuisinart toaster as a wedding
> I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
> construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
> types of elements.
>
> Per surface (top and bottom):
>
> 1. A pair of bare grey NiCrome(?) rods that appear to be the same
> things electric burners are made out of.
>
> 2. The same material but in a single element that snakes its way
> across the surface.
>
> 3. Some sort of solid rod (the same nichrome?) inside a translucent
> glass or ceramic tube.
>
> 4. A dense wire coil inside that same translucent tube as above.
>
> Which ones are most efficient, durable. And most importantly - which
> heat up the quickest? Does one kind or another take longer to heat up
> as they age?
>
gift, with two coil/ceramic tube heating elements. Within two years,
one of the coils broke, the element was irreplaceable, and that model
had been discontinued.Something that had retailed for over $100 was
now fit only for scrap, while our $10 Proctor Silex model has lasted
for years and years.
So I would be wary of ovens with coil/tube elements.
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 10, 2013, 12:20:26 PM4/10/13
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in the yard and kick it around some?
Just sayin'...
Kalmia
Apr 10, 2013, 12:21:13 PM4/10/13
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On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:21:22 AM UTC-4, spamtrap1888 wrote:
>
> >
> Friends received a quite expensive Cuisinart toaster as a wedding
>
> gift, with two coil/ceramic tube heating elements. Within two years,
>
> one of the coils broke, the element was irreplaceable, and that model
>
> had been discontinued.Something that had retailed for over $100 was
>
> now fit only for scrap,
>
> >
> Friends received a quite expensive Cuisinart toaster as a wedding
>
> gift, with two coil/ceramic tube heating elements. Within two years,
>
> one of the coils broke, the element was irreplaceable, and that model
>
> had been discontinued.Something that had retailed for over $100 was
>
> now fit only for scrap,
> So I would be wary of ovens with coil/tube elements.
And I'M wary of anything by Cuisinart. I know I've told my waffle iron tale here often. JUNQUE.
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 10, 2013, 12:25:17 PM4/10/13
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current data. So perhaps the model changed, but if, for example, they had
started making Cavaliers according to a Toyota design, the historical
reliability for that model would still be down rated until a significant
time passed with better scores. Nowdays they point this out in their
ratings, where a design change might alter the current collective experience
with that model.
MartyB
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 10, 2013, 12:28:04 PM4/10/13
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Mostly fragile unreliable gee-whiz geegaws and just plain junk.
MartyB
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George M. Middius
Apr 10, 2013, 1:14:58 PM4/10/13
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Kalmia wrote:
> > Just curious what you use yours for? I haven't had one since the 70's.
>
> First, Jule - learn to snip, huh? Please?
That's a hard row to hoe. Maybe you can train Julie, but what about the rest
> > Just curious what you use yours for? I haven't had one since the 70's.
>
> First, Jule - learn to snip, huh? Please?
of Usenetters (i.e. 90% of them)?
George M. Middius
Apr 10, 2013, 1:16:20 PM4/10/13
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jay wrote:
> Sounds about right. I've never owned one but if I did I would go to
> someplace like Walmart and get the cheapest one they have.. use it up
> and throw it away.
I hate that approach. Yes, I've tried it, and I hate it. It's better to spend
more up front for better features and reliability.
> Sounds about right. I've never owned one but if I did I would go to
> someplace like Walmart and get the cheapest one they have.. use it up
> and throw it away.
I hate that approach. Yes, I've tried it, and I hate it. It's better to spend
more up front for better features and reliability.
Kalmia
Apr 10, 2013, 1:52:53 PM4/10/13
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Cheri
Apr 10, 2013, 2:09:05 PM4/10/13
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"Kalmia" <tween...@mypacks.net> wrote in message
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Good luck with that. I've been asking her for years with no success. I've
found it's easier to just skip most of the longer posts by the non-snippers
than it is to keep asking, since you pretty much know who they are in a
short time. It's really irritating to scroll and scroll through walls of
text to reach the end and find a "me too."
Cheri
news:e30babeb-851a-4dbc...@googlegroups.com...
found it's easier to just skip most of the longer posts by the non-snippers
than it is to keep asking, since you pretty much know who they are in a
short time. It's really irritating to scroll and scroll through walls of
text to reach the end and find a "me too."
Cheri
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 10, 2013, 2:59:20 PM4/10/13
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Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>> a cheap-o 20$ one from Costco they both make toast exactly the same.
>
> Once you own a decent toaster oven that does more than just toast
> bread, you'll never do without it. Especially in Texas where it gets
> to be 110F in the summer.
>
> And buying the cheapest one at Walmart is not the way to go.
>
> -sw
Buying any appliance at Walmart is not the way to go. Chances are they have
meddled with the original production specs, forcing the manufacturer to use
cheaper parts and materials wherever possible in order to meet their price
demands for a large contract. If it's electronic or has moving parts, don't
buy it from Walmart.
MartyB
MartyB
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 10:00:03 -0500, jay wrote:
>
>> I've never owned one but if I did I would go to
>> someplace like Walmart and get the cheapest one they have.. use it up
>> and throw it away. I have a restaurant grade Toastmaster toaster and
>
>> I've never owned one but if I did I would go to
>> someplace like Walmart and get the cheapest one they have.. use it up
>> a cheap-o 20$ one from Costco they both make toast exactly the same.
>
> Once you own a decent toaster oven that does more than just toast
> bread, you'll never do without it. Especially in Texas where it gets
> to be 110F in the summer.
>
> And buying the cheapest one at Walmart is not the way to go.
>
> -sw
Buying any appliance at Walmart is not the way to go. Chances are they have
meddled with the original production specs, forcing the manufacturer to use
cheaper parts and materials wherever possible in order to meet their price
demands for a large contract. If it's electronic or has moving parts, don't
buy it from Walmart.
MartyB
MartyB
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 10, 2013, 3:00:14 PM4/10/13
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are less expensive?
Janet Bostwick
Apr 10, 2013, 4:02:44 PM4/10/13
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issue before December 2012. I can't remember all the details, but I
was looking for one at the time to use instead of my oven. I just
couldn't come up with the footprint space for one.
Janet US
spamtrap1888
Apr 10, 2013, 4:15:47 PM4/10/13
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life is a constant struggle against clutter.
Pete C.
Apr 10, 2013, 4:38:15 PM4/10/13
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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:58:20 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Wattage is absolutely the indicator of heat output and efficiency is
> > essentially 100% for all electric resistive heaters. All of the energy
> > consumed (Watts) is converted to heat.
>
> But it would depend on the type and size/thickness of the element that
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:58:20 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Wattage is absolutely the indicator of heat output and efficiency is
> > essentially 100% for all electric resistive heaters. All of the energy
> > consumed (Watts) is converted to heat.
>
> is being heated. Not all types of elements are going to covert watts
> to heat with the same efficiency. There is also the case of the
> glass/ceramic tubes that house some of the types of elements.
Then where else is the Wattage going? Dark matter? Electric resistive
heating elements convert all the power they consume to heat, that's just
the physics. This isn't like a motor rated in Watts where some Watts go
to rotary motion and some go to heat.
>
> > The exposed thin nichrome wire coil elements will heat the fastest since
> > they have minimal thermal mass and are not enclosed in anything that
> > will slow the heat radiating.
>
> cheaper ones that I wasn't interested in, but that does rings a bell -
> wire wrapped around a white ceramic core. Maybe that's the one we
> have at work.
They probably avoid that style in consumer units these days due to the
lack of electrical isolation. Of course the last time I looked toasters
still used open uninsulated (electrically) elements.
>
> > The encapsulated elements - those that are thick calrod looking units
> > which have the nichrome wire encapsulated in a metal tube along with
> > high temp insulation will be the slowest responding due to that
> > insulation and the thermal mass of the metal tube.
>
If the element is more than 1/16" dia or so, it's in a metal tube.
That's how the Calrod elements on stoves are built as well, the real
nichrome element is inside the metal tube, electrically insulated and
somewhat thermally insulated from the outer tube which is why they react
more slowly.
>
> > The quartz encapsulated elements will be in the middle since they are
> > able to radiate infrared energy readily and don't have insulation to
> > keep them from shorting to a metal enclosure.
>
> magazine says they've been around for at least 25 years.
>
> > None of these element types has any notable aging characteristic.
>
> Wouldn't a thin nichrome coil be more likely to go defective than a
> > None of these element types has any notable aging characteristic.
>
> solid rod?
It might if the rod was solid, but it isn't. The rod is the same thin
nichrome wire inside a larger metal tube with some high temp electrical
insulation inbetween. If you have a Calrod style "burner" around, unplug
it and look at the ends, you'll see a thin wire coming out to the
contact and the end of the tube sealed around that wire with red RTV.
That wire is spot welded inside to the nichrome element and there is
some type of mmineral fiber insulation surrounding it inside the outer
tube.
Janet Bostwick
Apr 10, 2013, 5:03:46 PM4/10/13
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Janet US
notbob
Apr 10, 2013, 6:20:56 PM4/10/13
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On 2013-04-10, Nunya Bidnits <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
> But CR reliability ratings are based on that model historically as well as
> current data.
It was the first year for both models, as the NUMMI plant had jes re-opened.
> But CR reliability ratings are based on that model historically as well as
> current data.
> So perhaps the model changed, but if, for example, they had
Same car, same line, same ppl. The only diff was the badge.
Kinda interesting that this thread originated over a toaster oven, as
that's the last time I trusted CR. I bought the brand/model they
touted as a best buy or editor's choice or whatever they call it. It
was mediocre, at best. Didn't toast bread evenly on both sides and
wimpy in overall heat delivery. Unfortunate, as I think toaster ovens
are a much more practical appliance than a regular toaster.
nb
notbob
Apr 10, 2013, 6:40:10 PM4/10/13
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On 2013-04-10, Nunya Bidnits <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
> Buying any appliance at Walmart is not the way to go.
A bad generalization.
Far be it from me to champion WW, but they carry some good products.
Not all of it is junk made in China. My son-in-law had an Emerson DVD
player that cost about $50 at WW. Damn thing ran rings around my $250
Sony DVD player. The Em had slow-mo, zoom, freeze, sgle frame, etc,
none of which were on my big buck Sony. I've bought 90% marino wool
socks for the last 4 yrs from WW. Made in USA! The pencil sketching
art supplies I buy at WW are the same as those found at well known art
supply houses, have been made in UK for over a century, and are a well
respected brand. I still use my Kenwood (rebranded Rival) orbital
stand mixer and will put it up against any KitchenAid mixer. My Acer
24" flat panel computer monitor rocks. OTOH, jes took back a Broyhill
mgr's leather desk chair. Sucker failed before I even got it fully
assembled.
Like everything else, you gotta be smarter than the item yer buying
and make sure you keep that receipt until it's proved itself! ;)
nb
notbob
Apr 10, 2013, 6:57:35 PM4/10/13
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On 2013-04-10, Nunya Bidnits <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
> I would be wary of anything branded Cuisinart which is not a food processor.
> Mostly fragile unreliable gee-whiz geegaws and just plain junk.
Again, you can't generalize. I bought a B&D citrus juicer from WW.
> Mostly fragile unreliable gee-whiz geegaws and just plain junk.
It's pretty much accepted that B&D has slid badly and is nothing like
its former self and all its products are junk. OTOH, the juicer I
bought works like a champ. While that type of juicer is a poor design
(rotating tit thingie), the product itself works great. I have a B&D
smart car battery charger. Works excellently. OTOH, I wouldn't buy a
current B&D power tool (drill, sander, etc). They usta be very good, but
are pretty shoddy, now.
IT's like Snap-On Tools. You would think anything Snap-On sells would
be high quality. NOT! I bought a S-O trigger-pump oil squirt can.
It lasted 2 squirts before breaking in my hand. Closer inspection
revealed it was Chinese junk with S-O's brand on it.
.....smarter than the tool...... ;)
nb
notbob
Apr 10, 2013, 7:02:40 PM4/10/13
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On 2013-04-10, Cheri <che...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> short time. It's really irritating to scroll and scroll through walls of
> text to reach the end and find a "me too."
You can safely assume most posts longer than about 40-50 lines are of
> short time. It's really irritating to scroll and scroll through walls of
> text to reach the end and find a "me too."
the type you exemplify and from a stubborn non-trimmer and ignore it.
I do.
nb
Cheryl
Apr 10, 2013, 9:57:28 PM4/10/13
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On 4/10/2013 10:49 AM, Kalmia wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:13:56 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Just curious what you use yours for? I haven't had one since the
>> 70's.
>
> First, Jule - learn to snip, huh? Please?
>
> I use mine on average twice a day. Just this morning, I top browned
> some cheese on a slice of bread for some onion soup. Last night, it
> was baked potatoes. We're always toasting a bun for a sangwidge. I
> broil tomatoes in it, I've even made mini meatloaves.
>
> If it ever quits, I have another in mind and will buy it asap.
> Breville - a friend loves his.
>
I use mine almost daily. Never for toast.
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> On Wednesday, April 10, 2013 1:13:56 AM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Just curious what you use yours for? I haven't had one since the
>> 70's.
>
> First, Jule - learn to snip, huh? Please?
>
> some cheese on a slice of bread for some onion soup. Last night, it
> was baked potatoes. We're always toasting a bun for a sangwidge. I
> broil tomatoes in it, I've even made mini meatloaves.
>
> If it ever quits, I have another in mind and will buy it asap.
> Breville - a friend loves his.
>
I use mine almost daily. Never for toast.
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Cheryl
Apr 10, 2013, 9:58:46 PM4/10/13
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On 4/10/2013 2:09 PM, Cheri wrote:
> Good luck with that. I've been asking her for years with no success.
> I've found it's easier to just skip most of the longer posts by the
> non-snippers than it is to keep asking, since you pretty much know who
> they are in a short time. It's really irritating to scroll and scroll
> through walls of text to reach the end and find a "me too."
>
> Cheri
>
>
Try scrolling through all that on a smart phone. I tend to skip the
> Good luck with that. I've been asking her for years with no success.
> I've found it's easier to just skip most of the longer posts by the
> non-snippers than it is to keep asking, since you pretty much know who
> they are in a short time. It's really irritating to scroll and scroll
> through walls of text to reach the end and find a "me too."
>
> Cheri
>
>
longer ones these days. And there are TONS of them.
Julie Bove
Apr 10, 2013, 10:35:09 PM4/10/13
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"Cheryl" <jlhs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:516618dd$0$2236$c3e8da3$40d4...@news.astraweb.com...
a Smartphone!
sf
Apr 10, 2013, 11:14:56 PM4/10/13
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On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:57:28 -0400, Cheryl <jlhs...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
If I buy a "toaster" oven, I expect it to actually work as a toaster -
in the amount of time I expect.
Back when I had a toaster oven, it was small... a two slicer. I made
toast (which it did evenly, unlike popup toasters of today) and small
things like twice baked potatoes. It worked very well, btw - until it
wore out or somebody killed it, but I was able to have the defective
parts replaced locally. The business closed down and shortly after
that, GE sold their small appliance division to Black & Decker. I
haven't bought a toaster oven since then. Black & Decker trashed GE's
quality. I saw demo toaster ovens whose door either didn't work were
on the verge of not working... not a good sign and none of the so
called "good points" of newer toaster ovens have won me over since
then.
--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
wrote:
in the amount of time I expect.
Back when I had a toaster oven, it was small... a two slicer. I made
toast (which it did evenly, unlike popup toasters of today) and small
things like twice baked potatoes. It worked very well, btw - until it
wore out or somebody killed it, but I was able to have the defective
parts replaced locally. The business closed down and shortly after
that, GE sold their small appliance division to Black & Decker. I
haven't bought a toaster oven since then. Black & Decker trashed GE's
quality. I saw demo toaster ovens whose door either didn't work were
on the verge of not working... not a good sign and none of the so
called "good points" of newer toaster ovens have won me over since
then.
--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
Cheryl
Apr 10, 2013, 11:36:34 PM4/10/13
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On 4/10/2013 11:14 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:57:28 -0400, Cheryl <jlhs...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/2013 10:49 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If it ever quits, I have another in mind and will buy it asap.
>>> Breville - a friend loves his.
>>>
>>
>> I use mine almost daily. Never for toast.
>
> If I buy a "toaster" oven, I expect it to actually work as a toaster -
> in the amount of time I expect.
It works fine as a toaster. I just don't use it to toast bread or even
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:57:28 -0400, Cheryl <jlhs...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/10/2013 10:49 AM, Kalmia wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If it ever quits, I have another in mind and will buy it asap.
>>> Breville - a friend loves his.
>>>
>>
>> I use mine almost daily. Never for toast.
>
> If I buy a "toaster" oven, I expect it to actually work as a toaster -
> in the amount of time I expect.
bagels or other toastable foods. It's also a convection oven so it does
well for many other foods. I realize your summers don't get hot and you
have no need to use something other than the oven for foods that I would
just use my toaster oven for. It's big enough to cook a 12" pizza, for
example.
spamtrap1888
Apr 10, 2013, 11:49:49 PM4/10/13
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On Apr 10, 3:40 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
processor that Williams-Sonoma sells for $3000 also makes a stand
mixer -- under another brand -- sold by Walmar?
*head explodes*
> On 2013-04-10, Nunya Bidnits <nunyabidn...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Buying any appliance at Walmart is not the way to go.
>
>
> > Buying any appliance at Walmart is not the way to go.
>
> I still use my Kenwood (rebranded Rival) orbital
> stand mixer and will put it up against any KitchenAid mixer.
You are telling us that the British company that makes a food
> stand mixer and will put it up against any KitchenAid mixer.
processor that Williams-Sonoma sells for $3000 also makes a stand
mixer -- under another brand -- sold by Walmar?
*head explodes*
gregz
Apr 11, 2013, 12:05:24 AM4/11/13
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> If you believe Consumer Reports.Org and don't think they take bribes
> from manufacturers to recommend their products, then look at their
> best rated toaster oven which should last you 20 years or more unless
> you use it outdoors...
>
> http://www.brevilleusa.com/cooking/ovens.html
> from manufacturers to recommend their products, then look at their
> best rated toaster oven which should last you 20 years or more unless
> you use it outdoors...
>
>
> William
You can't tell me that's fast toasting.
Greg
gregz
Apr 11, 2013, 12:08:20 AM4/11/13
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jay <us...@example.net> wrote:
> In article <516561dc$0$52102$862e...@ngroups.net>,
>
> http://www.cooksdirect.com/product/equipex-snack-toaster-BAR-200/toaster-
> ovens
>
> jay
I used a $10 dollar one for years. Worked fine. I only bought a new one
because I wanted a 4 slot. Took the 2 slot to camp.
Greg
> In article <516561dc$0$52102$862e...@ngroups.net>,
> "Pete C." <aux3....@snet.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> The exposed thin nichrome wire coil elements will heat the fastest since
>> they have minimal thermal mass and are not enclosed in anything that
>> will slow the heat radiating.
>>
>
>>
>> The exposed thin nichrome wire coil elements will heat the fastest since
>> they have minimal thermal mass and are not enclosed in anything that
>> will slow the heat radiating.
>>
>> The encapsulated elements - those that are thick calrod looking units
>> which have the nichrome wire encapsulated in a metal tube along with
>> high temp insulation will be the slowest responding due to that
>> insulation and the thermal mass of the metal tube.
>>
>> which have the nichrome wire encapsulated in a metal tube along with
>> high temp insulation will be the slowest responding due to that
>> insulation and the thermal mass of the metal tube.
>>
>> The quartz encapsulated elements will be in the middle since they are
>> able to radiate infrared energy readily and don't have insulation to
>> keep them from shorting to a metal enclosure.
>>
>> able to radiate infrared energy readily and don't have insulation to
>> keep them from shorting to a metal enclosure.
>>
>> None of these element types has any notable aging characteristic.
>
> Sounds about right. I've never owned one but if I did I would go to
>
> someplace like Walmart and get the cheapest one they have.. use it up
> and throw it away. I have a restaurant grade Toastmaster toaster and a
> cheap-o 20$ one from Costco they both make toast exactly the same.
>
> This one looks decent?
> and throw it away. I have a restaurant grade Toastmaster toaster and a
> cheap-o 20$ one from Costco they both make toast exactly the same.
>
>
> http://www.cooksdirect.com/product/equipex-snack-toaster-BAR-200/toaster-
> ovens
>
> jay
I used a $10 dollar one for years. Worked fine. I only bought a new one
because I wanted a 4 slot. Took the 2 slot to camp.
Greg
gregz
Apr 11, 2013, 12:19:12 AM4/11/13
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Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:58:20 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
>> Wattage is absolutely the indicator of heat output and efficiency is
>> essentially 100% for all electric resistive heaters. All of the energy
>> consumed (Watts) is converted to heat.
>
> But it would depend on the type and size/thickness of the element that
> is being heated. Not all types of elements are going to covert watts
> to heat with the same efficiency. There is also the case of the
> glass/ceramic tubes that house some of the types of elements.
>
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:58:20 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
>> Wattage is absolutely the indicator of heat output and efficiency is
>> essentially 100% for all electric resistive heaters. All of the energy
>> consumed (Watts) is converted to heat.
>
> But it would depend on the type and size/thickness of the element that
> is being heated. Not all types of elements are going to covert watts
> to heat with the same efficiency. There is also the case of the
> glass/ceramic tubes that house some of the types of elements.
>
>> The exposed thin nichrome wire coil elements will heat the fastest since
>> they have minimal thermal mass and are not enclosed in anything that
>> will slow the heat radiating.
>
>> they have minimal thermal mass and are not enclosed in anything that
>> will slow the heat radiating.
>
> I didn't see any of that type. Maybe they exist in some of the
> cheaper ones that I wasn't interested in, but that does rings a bell -
> wire wrapped around a white ceramic core. Maybe that's the one we
> have at work.
>
> cheaper ones that I wasn't interested in, but that does rings a bell -
> wire wrapped around a white ceramic core. Maybe that's the one we
> have at work.
>
>> The encapsulated elements - those that are thick calrod looking units
>> which have the nichrome wire encapsulated in a metal tube along with
>> high temp insulation will be the slowest responding due to that
>> insulation and the thermal mass of the metal tube.
>
>> which have the nichrome wire encapsulated in a metal tube along with
>> high temp insulation will be the slowest responding due to that
>> insulation and the thermal mass of the metal tube.
>
> I didn't see any metal tubes in toaster ovens.
>
>
>> The quartz encapsulated elements will be in the middle since they are
>> able to radiate infrared energy readily and don't have insulation to
>> keep them from shorting to a metal enclosure.
>
>> able to radiate infrared energy readily and don't have insulation to
>> keep them from shorting to a metal enclosure.
>
> Quartz, OK. I had never seen these until now but Popular Science
> magazine says they've been around for at least 25 years.
>
> magazine says they've been around for at least 25 years.
>
>> None of these element types has any notable aging characteristic.
>
>
> Wouldn't a thin nichrome coil be more likely to go defective than a
> solid rod?
>
> -sw
> solid rod?
>
I don't have any statistics, but I never yet seen a problem. Rods often
have problems with the wiring. Rods are often connected with wire clips
which fail.
I got metal rods in my super turbo oven, the smallest and fastest model for
food, but not fast for toast. I had to fix it twice. I have to fix it, it's
not available anymore.
Just because a rod has mass, it will still have the same electrical
efficiency. It just will not be efficient at making Fast toast.
Greg
gregz
Apr 11, 2013, 12:20:22 AM4/11/13
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Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> apart from units half their price.
>
> -sw
Some, if not all, have a full 1800 watts of power.
Greg
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:47:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>> Don't know whether you care or not, but Consumer's Reports likes the
>> Breville.
>
> I looked at several of the Breville's and nothing really sets them
>
>> Don't know whether you care or not, but Consumer's Reports likes the
>> Breville.
>
> apart from units half their price.
>
> -sw
Some, if not all, have a full 1800 watts of power.
Greg
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jmcquown
Apr 11, 2013, 9:29:34 AM4/11/13
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On 4/10/2013 12:25 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
> construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
> types of elements.
>
> Per surface (top and bottom):
>
(snip)
> I need a new toaster oven. I've been to various stores examining the
> construction of many brands and styles and have noticed there are four
> types of elements.
>
> Per surface (top and bottom):
>
> No offense, but I really don't care what model toaster oven you have.
> Products change and are modified/outsourced/cheapened every year. The
> fact that yours has lasted 5-10 years really means nothing today. I'm
> mainly interested in the elements as that seems to be the biggest
> point of failure.
>
> -sw
>
waste of counter space. Doesn't cost much more just to use the oven.
Jill
Janet Bostwick
Apr 11, 2013, 9:40:48 AM4/11/13
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On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 14:00:14 -0500, "Nunya Bidnits"
they specifically liked the oven feature, that it did a good job of
baking. I think too that it is really a convection oven. Comes in 2
different sizes.
Janet US
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 9:50:57 AM4/11/13
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notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
> On 2013-04-10, Nunya Bidnits <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I would be wary of anything branded Cuisinart which is not a food
>> processor. Mostly fragile unreliable gee-whiz geegaws and just plain
>> junk.
>
> Again, you can't generalize.
Well, based on my experience and that of several friends, actually I can.
> On 2013-04-10, Nunya Bidnits <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I would be wary of anything branded Cuisinart which is not a food
>> processor. Mostly fragile unreliable gee-whiz geegaws and just plain
>> junk.
>
> Again, you can't generalize.
Yes, I know it's anecdotal but I trust my reality.
> I bought a B&D citrus juicer from WW.
> It's pretty much accepted that B&D has slid badly and is nothing like
> its former self and all its products are junk. OTOH, the juicer I
> bought works like a champ. While that type of juicer is a poor design
> (rotating tit thingie), the product itself works great. I have a B&D
> smart car battery charger. Works excellently. OTOH, I wouldn't buy a
> current B&D power tool (drill, sander, etc). They usta be very good,
> but are pretty shoddy, now.
and bought a Ryobi Corner Cat. FAIL. The dust pickup holes were misaligned
and it spewed dust everywhere, especially when hooked to a vac. Exchanged it
at Home Depot for a new one. Same thing. Called Ryobi who said yeah,
misaligned, and offered no other help or compensation whatsoever for two
failed power tools which were needed on the job but were both DOA. Not even
an apology. So I returned the crappy Ryobi again and bought a Ridgid sander.
The shape of the Ryobi was better, but I made do. I ran that Ridgid sander
hard, even dropped it a couple times, and it never blinked. Would I ever buy
another Ryobi power tool, considering that others have good experiences
them?
I think you know the answer.
>
> IT's like Snap-On Tools. You would think anything Snap-On sells would
> be high quality. NOT! I bought a S-O trigger-pump oil squirt can.
> It lasted 2 squirts before breaking in my hand. Closer inspection
> revealed it was Chinese junk with S-O's brand on it.
>
> .....smarter than the tool...... ;)
>
> nb
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 10:40:22 AM4/11/13
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jay <us...@example.net> wrote:
> In article <slrnkmbqj4...@nbleet.hcc.net>,
> notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> A bad generalization.
>
> Agreed. Most of the products they sell will out live the people that
> buy 'em...
But that's as bad a generalization as you can get right there, and patently
false. Most of what Cuisinart makes these days are not food processors, and
there are a lot of gadget products. I'd be willing to bet cash money that
they aren't making all these diverse products, but rather having stuff made
under contract for them by the lowest bidder.
In my experience there is no such thing as a gadget product that ever
outlived anyone not already terminal at the time of purchase. How's that for
a generalization? Thing is, my comments on non-FP Cuisinart products are
based on a lot of first hand observation of products purchased by my own
family members and friends, and that information supersedes anything you can
offer statistically. In my experience, most of what they make these days is
ill-designed, unreliable junk.
Maybe a bad generalization for you, but for me, one that has saved me some
grief.
MartyB
> In article <slrnkmbqj4...@nbleet.hcc.net>,
> notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> A bad generalization.
>
> Agreed. Most of the products they sell will out live the people that
> buy 'em...
But that's as bad a generalization as you can get right there, and patently
false. Most of what Cuisinart makes these days are not food processors, and
there are a lot of gadget products. I'd be willing to bet cash money that
they aren't making all these diverse products, but rather having stuff made
under contract for them by the lowest bidder.
In my experience there is no such thing as a gadget product that ever
outlived anyone not already terminal at the time of purchase. How's that for
a generalization? Thing is, my comments on non-FP Cuisinart products are
based on a lot of first hand observation of products purchased by my own
family members and friends, and that information supersedes anything you can
offer statistically. In my experience, most of what they make these days is
ill-designed, unreliable junk.
Maybe a bad generalization for you, but for me, one that has saved me some
grief.
MartyB
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 10:49:20 AM4/11/13
to
jay <us...@example.net> wrote:
> In article <kk4clk$gli$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>>> bread, you'll never do without it. Especially in Texas where it
>>> gets to be 110F in the summer.
>>>
>>> And buying the cheapest one at Walmart is not the way to go.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Buying any appliance at Walmart is not the way to go. Chances are
>> they have meddled with the original production specs, forcing the
>> manufacturer to use cheaper parts and materials wherever possible in
>> order to meet their price demands for a large contract. If it's
>> electronic or has moving parts, don't buy it from Walmart.
>>
>> MartyB
>>
>> MartyB
>
> Walmart haters are everywhere. If they have something I want .. I go!
> I've even bought from JC PENNY and Sears and Costco. Buying a toaster
> oven shouldn't take that much fore thought like buying terlit paper.
>
> jay
That's your option of course, but it is true that Walmart alters specs on
many products to cheapen manufacturing costs and squeeze every last drop of
blood from suppliers they will often ultimately buy out after they get in
trouble by manufacturing at such low margins. So I won't take the chance
that I am getting substandard merchandise, not when I can almost always find
as good or better a price with a little careful shopping and patience.
I'm not a hater because of their marginal products. It's easy to buy where I
feel comfortable. I am a hater because they are an employer who expects the
employees trying to live on their pathetic wages to access public assistance
for things like health care. In other words, WalMart is a massive social
parasite using legitimate public programs and entitlements to help keep low
wage workers trapped in a system. Meanwhile they are bleeding the
pocketbooks of taxpayers who work for legitimate companies by sucking up
their tax dollars to pay benefits that should either be coming from Walmart,
or should be self-acquired because the employee has a sufficient wage to
afford it. But you won't ever get that from the biggest damned leech on the
entire planet. They post bazillions in profits and won't spend one extra
damn dime on their own people. Pathetic. Down with MalMart.
MartyB
> In article <kk4clk$gli$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyab...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 10:00:03 -0500, jay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never owned one but if I did I would go to
>>>> someplace like Walmart and get the cheapest one they have.. use it
>>>> up and throw it away. I have a restaurant grade Toastmaster
>>>> toaster and a cheap-o 20$ one from Costco they both make toast
>>>> exactly the same.
>>>
>>> Once you own a decent toaster oven that does more than just toast
>>>
>>>> I've never owned one but if I did I would go to
>>>> someplace like Walmart and get the cheapest one they have.. use it
>>>> up and throw it away. I have a restaurant grade Toastmaster
>>>> toaster and a cheap-o 20$ one from Costco they both make toast
>>>> exactly the same.
>>>
>>> bread, you'll never do without it. Especially in Texas where it
>>> gets to be 110F in the summer.
>>>
>>> And buying the cheapest one at Walmart is not the way to go.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> Buying any appliance at Walmart is not the way to go. Chances are
>> they have meddled with the original production specs, forcing the
>> manufacturer to use cheaper parts and materials wherever possible in
>> order to meet their price demands for a large contract. If it's
>> electronic or has moving parts, don't buy it from Walmart.
>>
>> MartyB
>>
>> MartyB
>
> Walmart haters are everywhere. If they have something I want .. I go!
> I've even bought from JC PENNY and Sears and Costco. Buying a toaster
> oven shouldn't take that much fore thought like buying terlit paper.
>
> jay
That's your option of course, but it is true that Walmart alters specs on
many products to cheapen manufacturing costs and squeeze every last drop of
blood from suppliers they will often ultimately buy out after they get in
trouble by manufacturing at such low margins. So I won't take the chance
that I am getting substandard merchandise, not when I can almost always find
as good or better a price with a little careful shopping and patience.
I'm not a hater because of their marginal products. It's easy to buy where I
feel comfortable. I am a hater because they are an employer who expects the
employees trying to live on their pathetic wages to access public assistance
for things like health care. In other words, WalMart is a massive social
parasite using legitimate public programs and entitlements to help keep low
wage workers trapped in a system. Meanwhile they are bleeding the
pocketbooks of taxpayers who work for legitimate companies by sucking up
their tax dollars to pay benefits that should either be coming from Walmart,
or should be self-acquired because the employee has a sufficient wage to
afford it. But you won't ever get that from the biggest damned leech on the
entire planet. They post bazillions in profits and won't spend one extra
damn dime on their own people. Pathetic. Down with MalMart.
MartyB
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 10:53:47 AM4/11/13
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convector but it will cost upwards of $500. From what I've seen of
countertop ovens, the convection feature is very desireable. In barbecue
competitions we sometimes cook our desserts in a countertop convection oven
with very good results, even with a water bath involved, which would make it
difficult for many countertop ovens to keep up temps. Maintaining 350F,
often outdoors in cool weather, with a water bath, is about as tough a test
as I can think of for one of these ovens.
MartyB
Helpful person
Apr 11, 2013, 11:19:52 AM4/11/13
to
On Apr 11, 10:49 am, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
bringing effective relief to Hurricane Katrina victims in New
Orleans. All at their own cost. (This includes the Federal
government.)
http://www.richardfisher.com
september.invalid> wrote:
>
> I'm not a hater because of their marginal products. It's easy to buy where I
> feel comfortable. I am a hater because they are an employer who expects the
> employees trying to live on their pathetic wages to access public assistance
> for things like health care. In other words, WalMart is a massive social
> parasite using legitimate public programs and entitlements to help keep low
> wage workers trapped in a system. Meanwhile they are bleeding the
> pocketbooks of taxpayers who work for legitimate companies by sucking up
> their tax dollars to pay benefits that should either be coming from Walmart,
> or should be self-acquired because the employee has a sufficient wage to
> afford it. But you won't ever get that from the biggest damned leech on the
> entire planet. They post bazillions in profits and won't spend one extra
> damn dime on their own people. Pathetic. Down with MalMart.
>
> MartyB
Walmart were the first, and for many weeks the only organization
>
> I'm not a hater because of their marginal products. It's easy to buy where I
> feel comfortable. I am a hater because they are an employer who expects the
> employees trying to live on their pathetic wages to access public assistance
> for things like health care. In other words, WalMart is a massive social
> parasite using legitimate public programs and entitlements to help keep low
> wage workers trapped in a system. Meanwhile they are bleeding the
> pocketbooks of taxpayers who work for legitimate companies by sucking up
> their tax dollars to pay benefits that should either be coming from Walmart,
> or should be self-acquired because the employee has a sufficient wage to
> afford it. But you won't ever get that from the biggest damned leech on the
> entire planet. They post bazillions in profits and won't spend one extra
> damn dime on their own people. Pathetic. Down with MalMart.
>
> MartyB
bringing effective relief to Hurricane Katrina victims in New
Orleans. All at their own cost. (This includes the Federal
government.)
http://www.richardfisher.com
tert in seattle
Apr 11, 2013, 2:14:05 PM4/11/13
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Helpful person wrote:
> On Apr 11, 10:49?am, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
oh well then that makes it all okay!
> On Apr 11, 10:49?am, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
Helpful person
Apr 11, 2013, 2:54:31 PM4/11/13
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On Apr 11, 2:14 pm, tert in seattle <t...@ftupet.com> wrote:
a profit. There's nearly always two sides to a story.
http://www.richardfisher.com
> Helpful person wrote:
>
> > Walmart were the first, and for many weeks the only organization
> > bringing effective relief to Hurricane Katrina victims in New
> > Orleans. All at their own cost. (This includes the Federal
> > government.)
>
> >http://www.richardfisher.com
>
> oh well then that makes it all okay!
No, but I'm tired of people knocking companies just because they make
>
> > Walmart were the first, and for many weeks the only organization
> > bringing effective relief to Hurricane Katrina victims in New
> > Orleans. All at their own cost. (This includes the Federal
> > government.)
>
> >http://www.richardfisher.com
>
> oh well then that makes it all okay!
a profit. There's nearly always two sides to a story.
http://www.richardfisher.com
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tert in seattle
Apr 11, 2013, 4:08:31 PM4/11/13
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Helpful person wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2:14?pm, tert in seattle <t...@ftupet.com> wrote:
>> Helpful person wrote:
>>
>> > Walmart were the first, and for many weeks the only organization
>> > bringing effective relief to Hurricane Katrina victims in New
>> > Orleans. ?All at their own cost. ?(This includes the Federal
>> Helpful person wrote:
>>
>> > Walmart were the first, and for many weeks the only organization
>> > bringing effective relief to Hurricane Katrina victims in New
>> > government.)
>>
>> >http://www.richardfisher.com
>>
>> oh well then that makes it all okay!
>
> No, but I'm tired of people knocking companies just because they make
> a profit. There's nearly always two sides to a story.
feel the strawman love...
>>
>> >http://www.richardfisher.com
>>
>> oh well then that makes it all okay!
>
> No, but I'm tired of people knocking companies just because they make
> a profit. There's nearly always two sides to a story.
tert in seattle
Apr 11, 2013, 4:15:32 PM4/11/13
to
jay wrote:
> In article <kk6icq$smu$1...@dont-email.me>,
> I'm pretty sure you have the business acumen to run a Fortune 500
> company from your armchair. If I worked at Walmart and didn't like the
> pay or benefits, I'd QUIT!
and what if Walmart is the only game in town? how far are you going
to drive to find another minimum wage job? are you going to move?
what money are you going to use for a security deposit?
please read:
_Nickel and Dimed_ by Barbara Eherenreich
she worked at a Walmart as part of her research for the book
> In article <kk6icq$smu$1...@dont-email.me>,
> company from your armchair. If I worked at Walmart and didn't like the
> pay or benefits, I'd QUIT!
and what if Walmart is the only game in town? how far are you going
to drive to find another minimum wage job? are you going to move?
what money are you going to use for a security deposit?
please read:
_Nickel and Dimed_ by Barbara Eherenreich
she worked at a Walmart as part of her research for the book
George M. Middius
Apr 11, 2013, 4:31:07 PM4/11/13
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jay wrote:
> I'm pretty sure you have the business acumen to run a Fortune 500
> company from your armchair. If I worked at Walmart and didn't like the
> pay or benefits, I'd QUIT!
You're, like, 12 years old, right?
> I'm pretty sure you have the business acumen to run a Fortune 500
> company from your armchair. If I worked at Walmart and didn't like the
> pay or benefits, I'd QUIT!
Look up "social contract". Then (if you haven't lost interest) find out the
compensation paid to the company's top executives.
Then finish school and learn to think like an adult. Then come back and say
something that shows a tiny bit of wisdom.
Gary
Apr 11, 2013, 4:54:29 PM4/11/13
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jmcquown wrote:
>
> JMHO, the toaster ovens I've owned (hmmm, three?) over the years were a
> waste of counter space. Doesn't cost much more just to use the oven.
I've never owned a toaster oven and always thought it was dumb to buy one
>
> JMHO, the toaster ovens I've owned (hmmm, three?) over the years were a
> waste of counter space. Doesn't cost much more just to use the oven.
(in my case) since the gas for my stove was "free." Just use the broiler.
I'm thinking about buying one someday soon. My gas broiler is a pain to use.
There has been a few times lately where I would like to make something to
broil but I skip it due to the hassle. I wouldn't use one often so I would
probably go with a cheap one to start.
G.
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 6:28:36 PM4/11/13
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they are running to suck public programs dry because they won't pay anyone a
decent wage. It's bait, nothing more, a PR move. The idea that MalMart
actually has a social consciousness is resoundingly disproven by the way
they exploit their employees and government benefits.
MartyB
MartyB
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 6:29:37 PM4/11/13
to
complain about them making a profit. I don't think I need to rehash just so
you can try to misdirect my point again.
MartyB
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 6:33:19 PM4/11/13
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> <323649e3-1a29-41fa...@p12g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
> Right on! Dole mentality .. "I should be paid more money because I
> need more money." Skills set = salary. Some folks love to hate ..
> especially success .. primarily because they are losers. ahahaha
>
WRONG. Anyone who works full time should be able to subsist on that wage
without hitting the public "dole". That isn't a matter of low skills, there
are always lower skilled workers in the work force. The idea that it is ok
to exploit them and force them to drain public assistance money even though
they are fully employed is malfeasant, contemptuous, and just plain
dishonest.
> Getting a GED and learning to smoke and screw doesn't bring much in
> the way of income. Many think it is there RIGHT to a good job .. but
> they have zero to offer an employer. You hear that the job market is
> tough but in reality it's a piece of cake if you have a marketable
> skill. This stuff is just too easy to understand. Places like
> Walmart are God sends to many. They have tasks for people who don't
> know how to do ANYTHING and they pay them accordingly.
So your contempt for the average working person is obvious. Hey, they should
just work for free and then get in line for food stamps and Medicaid. And
never mind education, they won't be able to afford it. That's why so many
are stuck in the Mal Mart hole to begin with.
What a bunch of bullshit.
MartyB
> need more money." Skills set = salary. Some folks love to hate ..
> especially success .. primarily because they are losers. ahahaha
>
WRONG. Anyone who works full time should be able to subsist on that wage
without hitting the public "dole". That isn't a matter of low skills, there
are always lower skilled workers in the work force. The idea that it is ok
to exploit them and force them to drain public assistance money even though
they are fully employed is malfeasant, contemptuous, and just plain
dishonest.
> Getting a GED and learning to smoke and screw doesn't bring much in
> the way of income. Many think it is there RIGHT to a good job .. but
> they have zero to offer an employer. You hear that the job market is
> tough but in reality it's a piece of cake if you have a marketable
> skill. This stuff is just too easy to understand. Places like
> Walmart are God sends to many. They have tasks for people who don't
> know how to do ANYTHING and they pay them accordingly.
So your contempt for the average working person is obvious. Hey, they should
just work for free and then get in line for food stamps and Medicaid. And
never mind education, they won't be able to afford it. That's why so many
are stuck in the Mal Mart hole to begin with.
What a bunch of bullshit.
MartyB
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 6:39:22 PM4/11/13
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jay <us...@example.net> wrote:
> In article <kk6icq$smu$1...@dont-email.me>,
to believe and the contempt you hold for wage workers.
If I worked at Walmart and didn't like
> the pay or benefits, I'd QUIT!
And do what? Starve? Suck up even more public money? Are you trying to
portray Mal Mart as a victim? Really?
> Walmart appears to hire a lot of folks
> who can't QUALIFY for much else. Big paychecks go to people with BIG
> skills.
Yeah, but a living wage should go to ANYONE who works full time. To say that
you should bust your fucking ass your entire life untiil you are broken down
for less than nothing is some really creepy shit. Capitalism stops at the
point it harms the workers and the economy, and in the case of Mal Mart, it
is doing immense harm to both employees and public assistance programs which
are NOT designed to supplement shit wage incomes paid by predatory
exploiters like Mal Mart. But Mal Mart not only does that, but every time
they go into a community, they try to bust them down so they have to pay
little or no taxes to the community where they have come to roost like
vultures. Fuck that shit. Mal Mart needs to either pay its fair share of
wages and taxes, or be broken up.
DUH! The above paragraph you wrote is media driven
> gobbledygook much of which you have flat made up, because you have no
> real data. You working at Walmart? lol
There is plenty of real data and I would post some but you obviously
wouldn't read it and would make some other corporate welfare excuse for why
wage earners shoiuld have to live out their lives in huts and eating gruel.
MartyB
>
> jay
> In article <kk6icq$smu$1...@dont-email.me>,
> I'm pretty sure you have the business acumen to run a Fortune 500
> company from your armchair.
I'm pretty sure you can ignore the obvious if it doesn't suit what you want
> company from your armchair.
to believe and the contempt you hold for wage workers.
If I worked at Walmart and didn't like
> the pay or benefits, I'd QUIT!
portray Mal Mart as a victim? Really?
> Walmart appears to hire a lot of folks
> who can't QUALIFY for much else. Big paychecks go to people with BIG
> skills.
Yeah, but a living wage should go to ANYONE who works full time. To say that
you should bust your fucking ass your entire life untiil you are broken down
for less than nothing is some really creepy shit. Capitalism stops at the
point it harms the workers and the economy, and in the case of Mal Mart, it
is doing immense harm to both employees and public assistance programs which
are NOT designed to supplement shit wage incomes paid by predatory
exploiters like Mal Mart. But Mal Mart not only does that, but every time
they go into a community, they try to bust them down so they have to pay
little or no taxes to the community where they have come to roost like
vultures. Fuck that shit. Mal Mart needs to either pay its fair share of
wages and taxes, or be broken up.
DUH! The above paragraph you wrote is media driven
> gobbledygook much of which you have flat made up, because you have no
> real data. You working at Walmart? lol
There is plenty of real data and I would post some but you obviously
wouldn't read it and would make some other corporate welfare excuse for why
wage earners shoiuld have to live out their lives in huts and eating gruel.
MartyB
>
> jay
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 6:40:03 PM4/11/13
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MartyB
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 6:43:59 PM4/11/13
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jay <us...@example.net> wrote:
> In article <kk6icq$smu$1...@dont-email.me>,
BTW, I take if from your comments that you don't mind a bit having to pay
extra taxes to cover the Mal Mart employees use of public assistance, which
is only needed because Mal Mart wants to pay full time workers LESS than a
subsistence wage. I understand you have no moral compass to tell you that is
wrong, but don't your cheap genes just try to crawl right out of your body
at the thought that you are having to subsidize the employees of a predatory
firm because they won't even pay the bare minimum needed to survive? That
really does not bother you that Mal Mart is in YOUR pocket?
Just curious.
> In article <kk6icq$smu$1...@dont-email.me>,
> I'm pretty sure you have the business acumen to run a Fortune 500
> company from your armchair. If I worked at Walmart and didn't like
> the pay or benefits, I'd QUIT! Walmart appears to hire a lot of folks
> company from your armchair. If I worked at Walmart and didn't like
> who can't QUALIFY for much else. Big paychecks go to people with BIG
> skills. DUH! The above paragraph you wrote is media driven
> gobbledygook much of which you have flat made up, because you have no
> real data. You working at Walmart? lol
>
> jay
> real data. You working at Walmart? lol
>
BTW, I take if from your comments that you don't mind a bit having to pay
extra taxes to cover the Mal Mart employees use of public assistance, which
is only needed because Mal Mart wants to pay full time workers LESS than a
subsistence wage. I understand you have no moral compass to tell you that is
wrong, but don't your cheap genes just try to crawl right out of your body
at the thought that you are having to subsidize the employees of a predatory
firm because they won't even pay the bare minimum needed to survive? That
really does not bother you that Mal Mart is in YOUR pocket?
Just curious.
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 11, 2013, 6:46:01 PM4/11/13
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tert in seattle <te...@ftupet.com> wrote:
Yanno, we got off to a bad start but I'm actually starting to like you...
MartyB
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meda...@gmail.com
Apr 11, 2013, 6:57:24 PM4/11/13
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On Thursday, April 11, 2013 3:50:12 PM UTC-4, jay wrote:
> In article
>
> <323649e3-1a29-41fa...@p12g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Helpful person <rrl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> In article
>
> <323649e3-1a29-41fa...@p12g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Helpful person <rrl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Right on! Dole mentality .. "I should be paid more money because I need
>
> more money." Skills set = salary. Some folks love to hate ..
>
> especially success .. primarily because they are losers. ahahaha
>
>
>
>
> more money." Skills set = salary. Some folks love to hate ..
>
> especially success .. primarily because they are losers. ahahaha
>
>
>
> Getting a GED and learning to smoke and screw doesn't bring much in the
>
> way of income. Many think it is there RIGHT to a good job .. but they
>
> have zero to offer an employer. You hear that the job market is tough
>
> but in reality it's a piece of cake if you have a marketable skill. This
>
> stuff is just too easy to understand. Places like Walmart are God sends
>
> to many. They have tasks for people who don't know how to do ANYTHING
>
> and they pay them accordingly.
>
>
>
> jay
>
> way of income. Many think it is there RIGHT to a good job .. but they
>
> have zero to offer an employer. You hear that the job market is tough
>
> but in reality it's a piece of cake if you have a marketable skill. This
>
> stuff is just too easy to understand. Places like Walmart are God sends
>
> to many. They have tasks for people who don't know how to do ANYTHING
>
> and they pay them accordingly.
>
>
>
Not for nuthin', but there's another side to this. Kuthe has three degrees. He doesn't smoke. He learned how to screw, but I'm pretty sure he forgot (women don't like mincing old men). He hasn't been able to hold a job for years. It's not about lack of education. Lack of skill? Maybe. He has demonstrated that he's only capable of attempting the lowest level jobs in any of his careers. So what's the problem? He's Kuthe. He makes people's skin crawl. We all know a Kuthe. Avoid him until he's gone, because it WILL be soon. The Medical field is not only about quality (Kuthe has never achieved a level where his quality would be judged more than a janitor), but also customer service. No patient wants a creepy, little old troll who can't interact with his own coworkers due to his personality disorder taking care of them. He can't even be civil to and avoid stalking (sexually?) a very old friend of his. Hands up! Who would hire this nasty, nasty little man?
meda...@gmail.com
Apr 11, 2013, 7:12:18 PM4/11/13
to
On Thursday, April 11, 2013 6:57:24 PM UTC-4, meda...@gmail.com wrote:
> Not for nuthin', but there's another side to this. Kuthe has three degrees. He > doesn't smoke. He learned how to screw, but I'm pretty sure he forgot (women > don't like mincing old men). He hasn't been able to hold a job for years. It's > not about lack of education. Lack of skill? Maybe. He has demonstrated that
> he's only capable of attempting the lowest level jobs in any of his careers. > So what's the problem? He's Kuthe. He makes people's skin crawl. We all know a > Kuthe. Avoid him until he's gone, because it WILL be soon. The Medical field > is not only about quality (Kuthe has never achieved a level where his quality > would be judged more than a janitor), but also customer service. No patient
> wants a creepy, little old troll who can't interact with his own coworkers due > to his personality disorder taking care of them. He can't even be civil to and > avoid stalking (sexually?) a very old friend of his. Hands up! Who would hire > this nasty, nasty little man?
Oh, Fuck! I almost forgot to add: Google "John Kuthe". Just like his past and potential employers do. Maybe "someone" suggested it! You'll see why he's unemployable. Kuthe, you're a godsend! I've never been able to ruin such a misanthrope's life before. And the lies you've told in reaction to my postings are classics! Medical Informatics?!? Even your training doesn't make you employable in that field. You don't know the first thing about Epic, MUMPS or...anything. You just make up stuff. Sure, you got to change adult diapers for a while, but that's over now, too. They won't even trust you with that.
> Not for nuthin', but there's another side to this. Kuthe has three degrees. He > doesn't smoke. He learned how to screw, but I'm pretty sure he forgot (women > don't like mincing old men). He hasn't been able to hold a job for years. It's > not about lack of education. Lack of skill? Maybe. He has demonstrated that
> he's only capable of attempting the lowest level jobs in any of his careers. > So what's the problem? He's Kuthe. He makes people's skin crawl. We all know a > Kuthe. Avoid him until he's gone, because it WILL be soon. The Medical field > is not only about quality (Kuthe has never achieved a level where his quality > would be judged more than a janitor), but also customer service. No patient
> wants a creepy, little old troll who can't interact with his own coworkers due > to his personality disorder taking care of them. He can't even be civil to and > avoid stalking (sexually?) a very old friend of his. Hands up! Who would hire > this nasty, nasty little man?
Roy
Apr 11, 2013, 7:13:01 PM4/11/13
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On Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:51:01 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:20:22 +0000 (UTC), gregz wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
> >> apart from units half their price.
>
> >
>
> > Some, if not all, have a full 1800 watts of power.
>
>
> Not worth the extra $80 over something that only has 1,600.
>
> -sw
==
Depends on how you figure watts of power.
110 volts X 15 amp = 1650 watts
115 volts X 15 amp = 1725 watts
120 volts X 15 amp = 1800 watts
Labeling can be deceptive.
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:20:22 +0000 (UTC), gregz wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:47:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Don't know whether you care or not, but Consumer's Reports likes the
>
> >>> Breville.
>
> >>
>
> >> I looked at several of the Breville's and nothing really sets them
> >> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:47:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Don't know whether you care or not, but Consumer's Reports likes the
>
> >>> Breville.
>
> >>
>
>
> >> apart from units half their price.
>
> >
>
> > Some, if not all, have a full 1800 watts of power.
>
>
> Not worth the extra $80 over something that only has 1,600.
>
> -sw
==
Depends on how you figure watts of power.
110 volts X 15 amp = 1650 watts
115 volts X 15 amp = 1725 watts
120 volts X 15 amp = 1800 watts
Labeling can be deceptive.
tert in seattle
Apr 11, 2013, 7:22:59 PM4/11/13
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Brooklyn1
Apr 11, 2013, 9:13:44 PM4/11/13
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>Right on! Dole mentality .. "I should be paid more money because I need
>more money." Skills set = salary. Some folks love to hate ..
>especially success .. primarily because they are losers. ahahaha
>
>Getting a GED and learning to smoke and screw doesn't bring much in the
>way of income. Many think it is there RIGHT to a good job .. but they
>have zero to offer an employer. You hear that the job market is tough
>but in reality it's a piece of cake if you have a marketable skill. This
>stuff is just too easy to understand. Places like Walmart are God sends
>to many. They have tasks for people who don't know how to do ANYTHING
>and they pay them accordingly.
>
>jay
Actually Walmart pays well for those no-skill jobs, they pay more than
>more money." Skills set = salary. Some folks love to hate ..
>especially success .. primarily because they are losers. ahahaha
>
>Getting a GED and learning to smoke and screw doesn't bring much in the
>way of income. Many think it is there RIGHT to a good job .. but they
>have zero to offer an employer. You hear that the job market is tough
>but in reality it's a piece of cake if you have a marketable skill. This
>stuff is just too easy to understand. Places like Walmart are God sends
>to many. They have tasks for people who don't know how to do ANYTHING
>and they pay them accordingly.
>
>jay
other comparable retail stores for the same jobs, and Walmart pays no
one minimum wage, their lowest paid job is near double minimum wage.
Why would anyone expect a wage that can support a family at an entry
level no-skill job like putting cans on shelves? My next door
neighbor's son just finished serving in the US Marines for four years
in Iraq... his first week home he landed a job at Walmart as a tractor
trailer driver. He says the pay is very good and he loves the job...
he has a marketable skill, he holds a license to drive those big rigs.
He hopes one day to have his own rig but for now he's very happy
driving for Walmart. Many of my neighbors have someone in their
family that works for Walmart, all like their job. Walmart treats
their employees very well, happy employees is the main reason they
became the largest retail chain on the planet.
sf
Apr 11, 2013, 9:20:48 PM4/11/13
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:32:40 -0500, jay <us...@example.net> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure you have the business acumen to run a Fortune 500
> company from your armchair. If I worked at Walmart and didn't like the
> pay or benefits, I'd QUIT! Walmart appears to hire a lot of folks who
> can't QUALIFY for much else. Big paychecks go to people with BIG
> skills. DUH! The above paragraph you wrote is media driven gobbledygook
> much of which you have flat made up, because you have no real data. You
> working at Walmart? lol
Said like someone who has more options than posting their narrow
> I'm pretty sure you have the business acumen to run a Fortune 500
> company from your armchair. If I worked at Walmart and didn't like the
> pay or benefits, I'd QUIT! Walmart appears to hire a lot of folks who
> can't QUALIFY for much else. Big paychecks go to people with BIG
> skills. DUH! The above paragraph you wrote is media driven gobbledygook
> much of which you have flat made up, because you have no real data. You
> working at Walmart? lol
minded, always been part of the privileged, mommy and daddy make my
life easy, middle class POV to rfc from a computer at the local
library. Rational people have a big problem with a wage structure
keeps their low level employees with families below the poverty line.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Whoop tee do that they were a first responder to a tragedy. It's a
publicity stunt trying to make the stupid in into the good guys.
Read this and educate yourself a bit about real life Walmart.
http://www.pbs.org/itvs/storewars/stores3.html
--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.
sf
Apr 11, 2013, 10:05:03 PM4/11/13
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On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:50:12 -0500, jay <us...@example.net> wrote:
> Getting a GED and learning to smoke and screw doesn't bring much in the
> way of income. Many think it is there RIGHT to a good job .. but they
> have zero to offer an employer. You hear that the job market is tough
> but in reality it's a piece of cake if you have a marketable skill. This
> stuff is just too easy to understand. Places like Walmart are God sends
> to many. They have tasks for people who don't know how to do ANYTHING
> and they pay them accordingly.
Your right wing, Fox driven mentality is getting tiresome.
> Getting a GED and learning to smoke and screw doesn't bring much in the
> way of income. Many think it is there RIGHT to a good job .. but they
> have zero to offer an employer. You hear that the job market is tough
> but in reality it's a piece of cake if you have a marketable skill. This
> stuff is just too easy to understand. Places like Walmart are God sends
> to many. They have tasks for people who don't know how to do ANYTHING
> and they pay them accordingly.
gregz
Apr 11, 2013, 10:13:35 PM4/11/13
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Greg
Cheryl
Apr 11, 2013, 10:43:12 PM4/11/13
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On 4/11/2013 8:45 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Seems like this is a well known piece of shit - A Walmart exclusive
> product. No other company would have the balls to carry an item that
> was returned as defective so often. But Walmart still sells it
> knowing it sucks and they're banking on the fact that some of the
> people won't bother returning it for whatever reason.
Ditto for a cheap walk behind lawn mower I bought from them. The
reviews on the Walmart site said it was a good mower, good bargain.
After I had to return it because it wouldn't start I found other reviews
outside of the Walmart site with the same complaints I had, and that
this model was only sold at Walmart. I specifically bought it online and
had it delivered so I wouldn't have to deal with transporting it from
store to home. Instead I had to deal with transporting it from home to
store. I left the oil in it and they didn't check. So from company to QC
to employees, they all suck.
--
CAPSLOCK�Preventing Login Since 1980.
> Seems like this is a well known piece of shit - A Walmart exclusive
> product. No other company would have the balls to carry an item that
> was returned as defective so often. But Walmart still sells it
> knowing it sucks and they're banking on the fact that some of the
> people won't bother returning it for whatever reason.
Ditto for a cheap walk behind lawn mower I bought from them. The
reviews on the Walmart site said it was a good mower, good bargain.
After I had to return it because it wouldn't start I found other reviews
outside of the Walmart site with the same complaints I had, and that
this model was only sold at Walmart. I specifically bought it online and
had it delivered so I wouldn't have to deal with transporting it from
store to home. Instead I had to deal with transporting it from home to
store. I left the oil in it and they didn't check. So from company to QC
to employees, they all suck.
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Julie Bove
Apr 12, 2013, 5:10:54 AM4/12/13
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"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
news:ahslitryt7fv$.dlg@sqwertz.com...
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 21:13:44 -0400, Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> Actually Walmart pays well for those no-skill jobs, they pay more than
>> other comparable retail stores for the same jobs, and Walmart pays no
>> one minimum wage, their lowest paid job is near double minimum wage.
>
> Where in the hell are you getting THAT information??!?! You are
>
>> Actually Walmart pays well for those no-skill jobs, they pay more than
>> other comparable retail stores for the same jobs, and Walmart pays no
>> one minimum wage, their lowest paid job is near double minimum wage.
>
> seriously fucked up in the head if you believe any of that. Are these
> the kind of facts that you dream up to make yourself feel proud of
> being wuch a loyal Walmart customer?
>
> Let's see a cite for that claim. Because I know I can dig up at least
> 100 cites that say otherwise.
I don't think they pay so well at all. When I worked at K Mart, one of my
coworkers said that she did get better pay there and got better benefits.
But then the same could be said for when I first started at K Mart. It was
not perhaps good wages for a retail job but they did give much better wages
for my first few years and we had pretty darned good benefits including
medical insurance that paid 100% on all hospital bills. But that was very
short lived.
However... As the years went by, I think a lot of retail places really cut
back on what they give their employees. It's much harder to get full time
work at these places and some really offer none! And in general if they are
not working full time, they get little to no benefits.
I did see that documentary on Walmart. And I do believe what they said on
there. Many to perhaps even most of their employees either qualify for some
sort of public assistance or make just enough more that they don't qualify
but they also don't make a living wage. One of the bosses said he had to
stop eating lunch in the breakroom because he felt bad even eating at all
when so many of the employees couldn't afford a lunch for themselves. Many
were working just to put food on the table for their kids.
When I worked at K Mart, I even worked with some full time workers who got
some sort of public assistance. Like low income housing or even food
stamps. Some were single parents. Some were women with deadbeat husbands
who couldn't be bothered to work.
In some cases, those people got a job there because they weren't qualified
to do anything else. For most of the entry level jobs, no sort of job
skills were required. They didn't even require a college degree for
management but for some strange reason, at least in the 1970's and early
1980's, those with a college degree made $200 more a month. Starting wages
for a manager in those days was $800 for no degree and $1,000 with a degree.
They were paid on salary and most weeks they worked 60 hours for those
wages. We didn't even get an employee discount in those days. They did
start giving one on some things shortly before I quit and they did make it
slightly better after I quit. Also after I quit, those who were vested do
continue to get that discount after they retire.
There were some perks depending on where you worked. If in food service,
you did get a free meal for each shift that you worked. People in the
appliance department got commission on the major appliances that they sold.
I didn't work over there on a regular basis but I would cover for breaks and
lunches on occasion. I could easily pick up about half of what I made for
my regular wages just from working a few hours a week over there. But the
guys who worked over there didn't like me working there. Because they
wanted all of the commission for themselves.
I do not know if Walmart offers such perks to their employees. I'd be
willing to bet they do not. But I can't say for sure.
I try not to go into our Walmart often, preferring to order online if I need
something. No longer do you see many young people working there. When I
first started working at K Mart, the majority of the employees were young
mothers, wanting to add a little income while their kids were in school or
in the evenings after their husbands came home from work, high school or
college age kids working after school, or youngish people in their 20's or
early 30's. We also had a few military people wanting to earn a little
extra money on nights and weekends. Most of the employees were females.
The few males that we did have were either quite young or elderly.
Things began to change in the 1980's. Prior to that we did have a few
foreign people who barely spoke any English. But we started getting more
and more of those types of people to the point where there were more of them
than not. And a lot more elderly people. That is how it seems to be now at
our Walmart. That is one reason why I dislike shopping there. I can't
understand what the foreign people are saying. One cashier was trying to
get me to donate money to something but I hadn't a clue what she was saying.
I think it is getting to the point where people who apply for jobs at places
like that now are just truly desperate for work. No longer are those just
entry level jobs that people take until they can find something better.
That *is* the something better. Because it is better than nothing. At
least in this area. Sooo many people are out of work here. Or are having
to work 2 or 3 piddley little jobs in the hopes to make enough to live on.
Foreigners may not realize that they are not making such a good wage because
it may be better than what they could earn in whatever country they came
from. And seniors who are collecting Social Security are only allowed to
earn so much money.
Julie Bove
Apr 12, 2013, 5:11:31 AM4/12/13
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"Sqwertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I need a new toaster oven.
>
> I ended up getting a Black and Decker Convection Toaster Oven. After
> all the various discounts it was only $47.xx (including tax) or so
> from Kohl's. It's a big toaster oven.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-Convection-Countertop-60-min/dp/B0051T8QWO
>
> I discredited most of the reviews, and you can see why if you read
> them.
>
> I've already burnt a couple rolls in here. The thing gets red hot in
> about 20 seconds - much faster than my older B&D oven. These have the
> coiled wire inside quartz heating elements. 1500 Watts.
>
> -sw
Julie Bove
Apr 12, 2013, 5:11:38 AM4/12/13
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Julie Bove
Apr 12, 2013, 5:12:08 AM4/12/13
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could use it.
Helpful person
Apr 12, 2013, 8:06:27 AM4/12/13
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On Apr 11, 6:29 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
Sorry, I didn't mean my reply to be specific to your comments. It was
the apparent rant that illicited a knee jerk reaction in me. I agree
that there is a general problem about the economic balance in the US.
However, I don't necessarily put the blame on the employers. They
need to remain competitive.
Regarding the lowest paid, there are several possible governmental
policies that could help. However, we all know how politics work.
http://www.richardfisher.com
the apparent rant that illicited a knee jerk reaction in me. I agree
that there is a general problem about the economic balance in the US.
However, I don't necessarily put the blame on the employers. They
need to remain competitive.
Regarding the lowest paid, there are several possible governmental
policies that could help. However, we all know how politics work.
http://www.richardfisher.com
Nunya Bidnits
Apr 12, 2013, 12:50:31 PM4/12/13
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Nunya Bidnits
Apr 12, 2013, 12:54:57 PM4/12/13
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Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:20:22 +0000 (UTC), gregz wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:47:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't know whether you care or not, but Consumer's Reports likes
>>>> the Breville.
>>>
>>> I looked at several of the Breville's and nothing really sets them
>>> apart from units half their price.
>>
>> Some, if not all, have a full 1800 watts of power.
>
> Not worth the extra $80 over something that only has 1,600.
>
> -sw
A much more useful feature than an extra 200 watts is convection.
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 04:20:22 +0000 (UTC), gregz wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2013 07:47:42 -0600, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't know whether you care or not, but Consumer's Reports likes
>>>> the Breville.
>>>
>>> I looked at several of the Breville's and nothing really sets them
>>> apart from units half their price.
>>
>> Some, if not all, have a full 1800 watts of power.
>
> Not worth the extra $80 over something that only has 1,600.
>
> -sw
MartyB
George M. Middius
Apr 12, 2013, 1:02:08 PM4/12/13
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Mary wrote:
> A much more useful feature than an extra 200 watts is convection.
Agree wholeheartedly. I also like digital controls.
> A much more useful feature than an extra 200 watts is convection.
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Roy
Apr 12, 2013, 8:49:39 PM4/12/13
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On Thursday, April 11, 2013 11:25:14 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>
>
> > I need a new toaster oven.
>
>
>
> I ended up getting a Black and Decker Convection Toaster Oven. After
>
> all the various discounts it was only $47.xx (including tax) or so
>
> from Kohl's. It's a big toaster oven.
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-Convection-Countertop-60-min/dp/B0051T8QWO
>
>
>
> I discredited most of the reviews, and you can see why if you read
>
> them.
>
>
>
> I've already burnt a couple rolls in here. The thing gets red hot in
>
> about 20 seconds - much faster than my older B&D oven. These have the
>
> coiled wire inside quartz heating elements. 1500 Watts.
>
>
>
> -sw
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>
>
> > I need a new toaster oven.
>
>
>
> I ended up getting a Black and Decker Convection Toaster Oven. After
>
> all the various discounts it was only $47.xx (including tax) or so
>
> from Kohl's. It's a big toaster oven.
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-Convection-Countertop-60-min/dp/B0051T8QWO
>
>
>
> I discredited most of the reviews, and you can see why if you read
>
> them.
>
>
>
> I've already burnt a couple rolls in here. The thing gets red hot in
>
> about 20 seconds - much faster than my older B&D oven. These have the
>
> coiled wire inside quartz heating elements. 1500 Watts.
>
>
>
B & D...bad, bad reviews...I wouldn't buy ANYTHING with the BLACK & DECKER
label.
Cheryl
Apr 12, 2013, 10:04:26 PM4/12/13
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On 4/12/2013 1:25 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I need a new toaster oven.
>
> I ended up getting a Black and Decker Convection Toaster Oven. After
> all the various discounts it was only $47.xx (including tax) or so
> from Kohl's. It's a big toaster oven.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-Convection-Countertop-60-min/dp/B0051T8QWO
>
> I discredited most of the reviews, and you can see why if you read
> them.
>
> I've already burnt a couple rolls in here. The thing gets red hot in
> about 20 seconds - much faster than my older B&D oven. These have the
> coiled wire inside quartz heating elements. 1500 Watts.
>
> -sw
>
Looks good.
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I need a new toaster oven.
>
> I ended up getting a Black and Decker Convection Toaster Oven. After
> all the various discounts it was only $47.xx (including tax) or so
> from Kohl's. It's a big toaster oven.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-Convection-Countertop-60-min/dp/B0051T8QWO
>
> I discredited most of the reviews, and you can see why if you read
> them.
>
> I've already burnt a couple rolls in here. The thing gets red hot in
> about 20 seconds - much faster than my older B&D oven. These have the
> coiled wire inside quartz heating elements. 1500 Watts.
>
> -sw
>
Gary
Apr 13, 2013, 5:53:37 AM4/13/13
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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> I bought a keyboard at Walmart the other day, against my better
> judgment. None of the keys in the left-most column worked and the
> backspace key sent the computer into sleep mode (how convenient!).
> Then I looked for reviews of the product. Turns out it';s only sold
> at Walmart.
If you want a decent inexpensive keyboard, try your local office supply
store. The one I use here is OfficeMax. I've replaced keyboards a few times
in the past and I always buy one made by "Fellowes." It's a full size
keyboard with keypad on the right and as of 6-7 years ago it only cost about
$12.
I've replaced mine twice but it was for spilling a drink on the keyboard.
Treated properly, they never go bad on their own. I'll look for a new one
next time I go there only because this one is so old and dirty, it's easier
(and cheap enough) to replace rather than clean.
G.
>
> I bought a keyboard at Walmart the other day, against my better
> judgment. None of the keys in the left-most column worked and the
> backspace key sent the computer into sleep mode (how convenient!).
> Then I looked for reviews of the product. Turns out it';s only sold
> at Walmart.
If you want a decent inexpensive keyboard, try your local office supply
store. The one I use here is OfficeMax. I've replaced keyboards a few times
in the past and I always buy one made by "Fellowes." It's a full size
keyboard with keypad on the right and as of 6-7 years ago it only cost about
$12.
I've replaced mine twice but it was for spilling a drink on the keyboard.
Treated properly, they never go bad on their own. I'll look for a new one
next time I go there only because this one is so old and dirty, it's easier
(and cheap enough) to replace rather than clean.
G.
Gary
Apr 13, 2013, 6:42:59 AM4/13/13
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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > I need a new toaster oven.
>
> I ended up getting a Black and Decker Convection Toaster Oven. After
> all the various discounts it was only $47.xx (including tax) or so
> from Kohl's. It's a big toaster oven.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-Convection-Countertop-60-min/dp/B0051T8QWO
A very impressive toaster oven, Steve. The last one I had here years ago
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > I need a new toaster oven.
>
> I ended up getting a Black and Decker Convection Toaster Oven. After
> all the various discounts it was only $47.xx (including tax) or so
> from Kohl's. It's a big toaster oven.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-Convection-Countertop-60-min/dp/B0051T8QWO
was very basic compared to that one.
G.
Jim Elbrecht
Apr 13, 2013, 7:13:35 AM4/13/13
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 06:42:59 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> > I need a new toaster oven.
>>
>> I ended up getting a Black and Decker Convection Toaster Oven. After
>> all the various discounts it was only $47.xx (including tax) or so
>> from Kohl's. It's a big toaster oven.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-Convection-Countertop-60-min/dp/B0051T8QWO
Hey-- the same guy 'designed' that timer/toaster knob that 'designed'
>Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 9 Apr 2013 23:25:07 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> > I need a new toaster oven.
>>
>> I ended up getting a Black and Decker Convection Toaster Oven. After
>> all the various discounts it was only $47.xx (including tax) or so
>> from Kohl's. It's a big toaster oven.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Black-Decker-Convection-Countertop-60-min/dp/B0051T8QWO
mine. I'm going to try 'going past 20' before trying to reduce the
on time. Mine won't budge if I turn it too far and try to adjust.
I've been just 'rescuing' things when done. . . usually.
And it took me about 20 minutes to figure out that when I was turning
it 'all the way off' - I was really setting it to "Stay on". [once
it gets down to toast, it turns down easily] It's a bitch getting old
and not seeing the fine print.
I might have to start reading manuals. . . not that I'll remember what
I read the next day.
Jim
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