choice of flours to thicken after cooking
john royce
I been told that using cornflour produces a slightly 'gloupy' texture.
Which leaves using plain flour or self raising flour. Is there any
significance difference between using these two? Thanks.
Phil..c
I am by now means qualified to truly answer apart from experience .
But Corn flour or rice flour come out and taste better than the
alternatives you offered .
However, with the caveat that I more often than not stuff up with
sauces when using anything other than corn flour . Even then its
hit & miss .
Andy
Hi phil.c,
I'd add, some thickeners require different temperatures to actively begin
thickening. Something I learned from Alton Brown's "Good Eats" TV program.
Fil� powder, optionally used in place of okra in gumbos is a low temp
thickener added after plating. I don't recall if it adds flavor to the bowl
of gumbo. I've only used it once. Anyone?
Andy
sf
There's a big difference between the two. I wouldn't thicken a sauce
with self raising unless I was in a pinch and it was the only thing in
the house to use... but who is ever in that predicament?
Plain flour is, well... plain. Self Raising is more than just flour
Copied and pasted from Wikipedia just for you:
Self-rising or self-raising flour is flour that is sold premixed with
chemical leavening agents. It was invented by Henry Jones.
Self-rising flour is typically composed of the following ratio:
1 cup (100 g) flour
1 and 1/2 teaspoon (3 g) baking powder
a pinch to � teaspoon (1 g or less) salt
Here is a discussion on thickening curry.... scroll down to the last,
I think it makes the most sense for a beginner and it sounds like you
are one.
This server seems to be painfully slow, but it has curry recipes (from
different countries) that may give you some ideas about what to do.
http://www.ifood.tv/network/curry_coconut/recipes
Here's our household favorite. We just order it as take out.
Mussman or Massaman Curry video
http://www.ifood.tv/recipe/massaman_curry
recipe with still pictures
http://www.thaitable.com/Thai/recipes/Masaman_Curry.htm
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We like the taste of flour the best for thickening. Gold Medal makes a
flour called Wondra, it is for making sauce and gravy. It is designed to
mix in smoothly and not lump. I have used it for years, and it works great.
It comes in a round container with a shake or measure top.
later,
DP
Peter
You do *not* use flour to thicken a curry.
You simmer the sauce until it reduces and thickens naturally, with more
flavour.
*Never* use flour to thicken a curry!!
Heathen.
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Omelet
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I personally prefer arrowroot or corn starch.
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James Silverton
>> I like to make curries and then thicken them up towards the
>> end of cooking. I been told that using cornflour produces a
>> slightly 'gloupy' texture. Which leaves using plain flour or
>> self raising flour. Is there any significance difference
>> between using these two? Thanks.
> I personally prefer arrowroot or corn starch.
Escoffier did not approve of the taste of uncooked flour and nor do I.
If you can't use a roux, I think cornstarch is best. Certainly, it's all
I would use for Chinese food. I use non-fat yoghurt in curries despite
the conditioned reflex of authors that warn it will curdle. It doesn't
if you mix it with a spoonful or two of flour and in that case the flour
does get cooked.
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Omelet
"James Silverton" <not.jim....@verizon.not> wrote:
> Omelet wrote on Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:56:47 -0500:
>
> >> I like to make curries and then thicken them up towards the
> >> end of cooking. I been told that using cornflour produces a
> >> slightly 'gloupy' texture. Which leaves using plain flour or
> >> self raising flour. Is there any significance difference
> >> between using these two? Thanks.
>
> > I personally prefer arrowroot or corn starch.
>
> Escoffier did not approve of the taste of uncooked flour and nor do I.
> If you can't use a roux, I think cornstarch is best. Certainly, it's all
> I would use for Chinese food. I use non-fat yoghurt in curries despite
> the conditioned reflex of authors that warn it will curdle. It doesn't
> if you mix it with a spoonful or two of flour and in that case the flour
> does get cooked.
Corn starch is good, but my second choice. :-)
ymmv of course! Have you tried arrowroot?
Zeppo
"Andy" <a@b.c> wrote in message news:Xns9C48569...@216.196.97.131...
It adds a little bit of a fairly distinct herbal flavor. Most of it's
benefit comes from thickening. I wouldn't put it in anything that was
delicately flavored, though.
I did try sprinkling some on scrambled eggs just before they set once. I
wouldn't do it again.
Jon
Zeppo
"Omelet" <ompo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ompomelet-9D764...@news-wc.giganews.com...
> In article <gZ27m.2435$P5....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
> "James Silverton" <not.jim....@verizon.not> wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote on Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:56:47 -0500:
>>
>> >> I like to make curries and then thicken them up towards the
>> >> end of cooking. I been told that using cornflour produces a
>> >> slightly 'gloupy' texture. Which leaves using plain flour or
>> >> self raising flour. Is there any significance difference
>> >> between using these two? Thanks.
>>
>> > I personally prefer arrowroot or corn starch.
>>
>> Escoffier did not approve of the taste of uncooked flour and nor do I.
>> If you can't use a roux, I think cornstarch is best. Certainly, it's all
>> I would use for Chinese food. I use non-fat yoghurt in curries despite
>> the conditioned reflex of authors that warn it will curdle. It doesn't
>> if you mix it with a spoonful or two of flour and in that case the flour
>> does get cooked.
>
> Corn starch is good, but my second choice. :-)
>
> ymmv of course! Have you tried arrowroot?
> --
Hi Om,
How do you use arrowroot to thicken? Do you mix it with water first?
Have to check the date on my jar of arrowroot. I think the expiration date
is probably mid-90's.
Jon
Wayne Boatwright
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> "john royce" <blues...@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I like to make curries and then thicken them up towards the end of cooking.
> > I been told that using cornflour produces a slightly 'gloupy' texture.
> > Which leaves using plain flour or self raising flour. Is there any
> > significance difference between using these two? Thanks.
>
> I personally prefer arrowroot or corn starch.
Supposedly the best way to thicken sauce is to simmer it
a long time until its natural gelatin thickens it. I've tried
this and agree but I rarely have the patience. If a curry is
made by mixing the meat in at the end this method would
not work.
I like cream as a thicken and that too probably wouldn't
apply to a curry. It takes a lot less patience than simmering
the natural gelatin.
I perfer arrowroot to corn starch. With arrowroot I can
sprinkle a little in on the surface of the sauce then stir it in
and it doesn't clump. With corn starch I need to mix it with
water in an extra little bowl and then pour the watered
mixture in. The arrowroot is less work.
Being wheat intolerant I don't use wheat flour for thickening.
Rice flour or flour made from various other plants that have
been ground up. For any that I've tried I end up liking cream
or arrowroot better.
jmcquown
> "James Silverton" <not.jim....@verizon.not> wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote on Tue, 14 Jul 2009 11:56:47 -0500:
>>
>> >> I like to make curries and then thicken them up towards the
>> >> end of cooking. I been told that using cornflour produces a
>> >> slightly 'gloupy' texture. Which leaves using plain flour or
>> >> self raising flour. Is there any significance difference
>> >> between using these two? Thanks.
>>
>> > I personally prefer arrowroot or corn starch.
>>
>> Escoffier did not approve of the taste of uncooked flour and nor do I.
>> If you can't use a roux, I think cornstarch is best. Certainly, it's all
>> I would use for Chinese food. I use non-fat yoghurt in curries despite
>> the conditioned reflex of authors that warn it will curdle. It doesn't
>> if you mix it with a spoonful or two of flour and in that case the flour
>> does get cooked.
>
> Corn starch is good, but my second choice. :-)
>
> ymmv of course! Have you tried arrowroot?
> --
> Peace! Om
>
Arrowroot is expensive. I use a slurry of corn starch and cold water to
thicken sauces and gravies.
Jill
Mark Thorson
A proper curry doesn't need a thickener. But if you
feel the need to thicken it, a more traditional
ingredient would be a potato. Grate it, and it
should disintegrate completely during cooking.
Add it at the beginning of cooking to give it time
to let go.
Omelet
"Zeppo" <ze...@hotmail.org> wrote:
> > Corn starch is good, but my second choice. :-)
> >
> > ymmv of course! Have you tried arrowroot?
> > --
>
> Hi Om,
> How do you use arrowroot to thicken? Do you mix it with water first?
>
> Have to check the date on my jar of arrowroot. I think the expiration date
> is probably mid-90's.
>
> Jon
I treat it exactly the same way as corn starch. Make a slurry using some
cold water.
Hope this helps?
Arri London
Curries are typically thickened by cooking down the liquid, often to the
point where only the oil remains. The food is coated with the
cooked-down liquid/paste. If you need starch, then perhaps you are using
too much liquid to begin with.
For a nice finish, if you feel you do need starch-thickening, then try
arrowroot. It's available at any Asian grocery and some 'whole food'
places.
David Harmon
<blue...@mail.invalid> wrote,
>I like to make curries and then thicken them up towards the end of cooking.
>I been told that using cornflour produces a slightly 'gloupy' texture.
Don't knock it until you've tried it.
>Which leaves using plain flour or self raising flour. Is there any
>significance difference between using these two? Thanks.
Both will thicken a curry identically, but the leavening additives in
the self-rising flour will be wasted and will increase the sodium
content significantly, if that matters to you.
Chemiker
wrote:
>In article <7c436lF...@mid.individual.net>,
> "Zeppo" <ze...@hotmail.org> wrote:
>I treat it exactly the same way as corn starch. Make a slurry using some
>cold water.
>
>Hope this helps?
Arrow root's fine. With all these thickeners, keep a bottle of cheap
vodka in the cupboard. Make the slurry with vodka, not water. NO
LUMPS! Alcohol cooks away and your sauce is professionally smooth.
Quick and dirty? Use a Tbs or 2 of Instant potatoes. No need to make
a slurry at all.
HTH,
Alex