What did people eat during World War One?

[Michael Trew]

I came across this in a different news group today, and I found it quite
enlightening, also enjoying the old pictures. This is from the BBC, so
likely European/British WWI food rationing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zqhyb9q/articles/z8kv34j

[Ed Pawlowski]

When people talk about "the good old days" they sure don't mean that era.

[GM]

Life for us ordinary folk was ghastly back then, praise God we live in better times (at least from a material standpoint)...

--
GM

[Janet]

In article <si14m9$pdd$1...@dont-email.me>, michae...@att.net says...

That's written for schoolchildren aged 7-11.

For adult history of WW1 food rationing in UK

<http://www2.westsussex.gov.uk/learning-
resources/LR/effects_of_rationing_on_the_home_fronte4bf.pdf?
docid=ca4db6a2-de38-45f6-9097-c0a27c1b0a5c&version=-1>

https://tinyurl.com/tzekvxw8

Janet UK

[Lucretia Borgia]

There were ration books during WWII as well, but it was dependent on
whether you could actually find a shop that had what you wanted! Candy
was rationed (probably why kids were healthier) and did not really
become generally available until it came off rationing in the 1950's.

Even clothing was rationed, my aunts used to hold 'Bring and Buy'
sales at their homes. For instance, if you had a coat in good repair
but you were just bored with the same old, same old, you brought that
and were entitled to swap it for another coat. That way, they had a
bit of variety.

When my youngest aunt got married in 1943 all the rest of the family
donated clothing rations to her so she could get a nice wedding dress.

Many people kept chickens both for the eggs and the eating and the
government was always stressing 'Dig for Victory' meaning grow your
own veggies etc.

[S Viemeister]

On 17/09/2021 12:09, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
(snip)

> When my youngest aunt got married in 1943 all the rest of the family
> donated clothing rations to her so she could get a nice wedding dress.
>

When my parents married, friends and family donated eggs and butter for
a wedding cake.

[Lucretia Borgia]

Everything was so practical, but gratefully received! I laughed when
I came here and someone showed me a recipe for War Cake.

[Dave Smith]

My parents got married in 1944 and Dad was posted to an air bade in
southern BC. They rented an apartment from the local butcher and the
bought a Labrador Retriever pup. The dog got to eat a lot of steak
because of rationing. The stuff was so heavily rationed that no one
wasted their coupons on it so the stuff was going bad and ended up going
to the dogs.

[jmcquown]

Fascinating reading, thank you Janet. :)

Jill

[Michael Trew]

On 9/17/2021 6:58 AM, Janet wrote:

My link has prettier pictures ;)

[Michael Trew]

That's certainly not what I'd refer to either, but I enjoyed the old
pictures.

[Michael Trew]

Thank you for sharing! Very different times indeed.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I don't recall my parents ever mentioning rationing during WW1 but then
again both of them lived on farms at the time. Nor do I recall hearing
of rationing in the USA at that time. WW2, yes certainly.

[jmcquown]

On 9/17/2021 7:09 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> Many people kept chickens both for the eggs and the eating and the
> government was always stressing 'Dig for Victory' meaning grow your
> own veggies etc.

'Dig for Victory' just made sense, grow vegetables, not flowers.

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

The US was only in the war for the last year or so. Plus, folks
just didn't whine as much back then.

I'm surprised your parents were living during WWI.

You must be pretty old, and that's cool!

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 5:23:24 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:

>
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >
> > I don't recall my parents ever mentioning rationing during WW1 but then
> > again both of them lived on farms at the time. Nor do I recall hearing
> > of rationing in the USA at that time. WW2, yes certainly.
> >
> The US was only in the war for the last year or so. Plus, folks
> just didn't whine as much back then.
>
> I'm surprised your parents were living during WWI.
>
> You must be pretty old, and that's cool!
>

My dad was born in 1902 and my mom in 1912 and I'm the baby
in my family of five.

[Bruce 3.2]

1902! He must have seen the last of the dinosaurs!

[Sheldon Martin]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

Joan, my dad was in the Navy and fought the Japs in WWll. I'll very
soon be 79, you're making me feel like Jail Bait, I wouldn't mind. lol

[ItsJoan NotJoAnn]

It was interesting listening to him talk about things he did and places
he went to when he was a young man.

[Michael Trew]

People are surprised to hear that my great grandfather was born in 1888.
G-grandma was born in 1900. My grandmother (mom's mother) was "second
to the baby" - 1938.. her last living sibling of 10 was the baby, born
in '40. Only Grandma and her younger brother, of all 10, are still
around.

Actually, I have a picture, from there wedding day in 1915. Jacob and
Anna Ruptnik.

https://postimg.cc/PPNTbj0G

[ItsJoan NotJoAnn]

My dad was too young for WWI and too old for WWII but he was a welder
at a boatyard building LST's.

https://i.postimg.cc/65V4w2Lk/LST.jpg

[Bruce 3.2]

People always look so serious in old pictures.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:18:08 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

Both my father, and one of my uncles, fought against the Japanese in
WWII and both would be appalled that you use that word to describe
their nationality. There is no call for it, save ignorance.

[ItsJoan NotJoAnn]

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 6:34:26 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>
> People are surprised to hear that my great grandfather was born in 1888.
> G-grandma was born in 1900. My grandmother (mom's mother) was "second
> to the baby" - 1938.. her last living sibling of 10 was the baby, born
> in '40. Only Grandma and her younger brother, of all 10, are still
> around.
>
> Actually, I have a picture, from there wedding day in 1915. Jacob and
> Anna Ruptnik.
>
> https://postimg.cc/PPNTbj0G
>

Great picture! He looks pleased and she looks skeptical, hahahahaaa!!!

My grandfather was born in 1870 and was in the Oklahoma Land Race.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:34:24 -0400, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

Lovely, she looks really nervous or mad at him :)

[Michael Trew]

Yes, I've actually discussed this with family members and another NG I
posted this in a few months ago. My best conclusion is that you had to
be very still, because they took some time to complete, and it was easy
to keep a straight/serious face than to continue to smile.

[Michael Trew]

I hear that a lot with folks from that era. It seemed that the Japanese
had quite a negative stigma for a long time in that time period.

[Michael Trew]

I would have to imagine. I was writing a woman in town who turned 100 a
few months ago for her birthday. She only lives a few blocks away from
me. She invited me to come visit and talk; I really ought to before she
passes away. If found out because she was in the newspaper for her
100th birthday, and they left her address to send cards.

[Bruce 3.2]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:40:12 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:18:08 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
>wrote:
>

>>Joan, my dad was in the Navy and fought the Japs in WWll. I'll very
>>soon be 79, you're making me feel like Jail Bait, I wouldn't mind. lol
>
>Both my father, and one of my uncles, fought against the Japanese in
>WWII and both would be appalled that you use that word to describe
>their nationality. There is no call for it, save ignorance.

My mother barely survived a Japanese concentration camp and always
called them Jappen (Japs) as well. If Japs don't like that, they
shouldn't have tortured women, children and men the way they did. They
were horrible. No sense of honour or decency.

[Bruce 3.2]

Maybe she had her doubts about him, knowing that he was Michael Trew's
grandfather.

[Michael Trew]

You're funny.. but great grandfather

[Michael Trew]

I never considered the nervous aspect. I asked grandma why her mother
looked mad, and she couldn't say/didn't remember.

As the story goes, she was abused by her family, and he "saved" her when
they got married... she was 15, he was 28.

[Sheldon Martin]

That'a an oldie.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 09:38:22 +1000, Bruce 3.2 <Bro...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

She looks angry.

[Michael Trew]

Haha, yes, very serious. That always perplexed me.

I wasn't aware of that... very interesting read, but also sad for the
natives at the time. Did he get much land?

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/settlers-race-to-claim-land

[Bruce 3.2]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:46:37 -0400, Michael Trew

Yes, that and maybe also the fact that it felt like an important,
formal moment. They probably didn't get their picture taken very often
in those days. It wasn't the moment to hold up two fingers behind your
partner's head.

[Bruce 3.2]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:59:28 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

Yes, she does.

[Michael Trew]

I can't remember who told me this or where I learned it, but up until
WW2, the Japanese basically believed that their emperor was God, and
they would fight until the bitter end. The USA knew that they would
keep fighting after Pearl Harbor, they didn't scare, because they
believed the emperor's word as God, and he told them to march on.

Basically, that's why we had to drop bombs on Japan, until the emperor
relented, because he knew that we were more powerful. I guess the
Japanese people wised up after that.

[Michael Trew]

Perhaps. Grandma doesn't remember why her mother looked upset, so I
guess I'll never know.

[Michael Trew]

Yes, true, a photograph was a rare event. I have a couple of other
photos of her somewhere. One of her (woman being married) as a baby in
1901, in the arms of my great-great grandmother. Very few other photos.

[Bruce 3.2]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:09:03 -0400, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

>On 9/17/2021 7:49 PM, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:40:12 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>> <lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:
>>
>>> Both my father, and one of my uncles, fought against the Japanese in
>>> WWII and both would be appalled that you use that word to describe
>>> their nationality. There is no call for it, save ignorance.
>>
>> My mother barely survived a Japanese concentration camp and always
>> called them Jappen (Japs) as well. If Japs don't like that, they
>> shouldn't have tortured women, children and men the way they did. They
>> were horrible. No sense of honour or decency.
>
>I can't remember who told me this or where I learned it, but up until
>WW2, the Japanese basically believed that their emperor was God, and
>they would fight until the bitter end. The USA knew that they would
>keep fighting after Pearl Harbor, they didn't scare, because they
>believed the emperor's word as God, and he told them to march on.

Yes. If the emperor had said stop, they'd all have stopped. They were
his drones.

>Basically, that's why we had to drop bombs on Japan, until the emperor
>relented, because he knew that we were more powerful. I guess the
>Japanese people wised up after that.

IMO, dropping those bombs is the biggest WW2 atrocity after the
Holocaust.

[Bruce 3.2]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:10:17 -0400, Michael Trew

Maybe she had just had a tiff with the groom.
.

[ItsJoan NotJoAnn]

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 7:04:59 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>
> On 9/17/2021 7:41 PM, ItsJoan NotJoAnn wrote:
> >
> > My grandfather was born in 1870 and was in the Oklahoma Land Race.
> >

> I wasn't aware of that... very interesting read, but also sad for the
> natives at the time. Did he get much land?
>
> https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/settlers-race-to-claim-land
>

No, he didn't get any land but went back to the west later when my dad was
a little fellow and settled in Colorado for about 20 years.

[Dave Smith]

Maybe it was morning sickness.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 9/17/2021 7:42 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:

It is common in many old photos. People had to be very still for a
good photo, unlike the electronic flash of today. Seems dour faces were
common.

[GM]

What was *really* interesting was that the US economy dwarfed ["Sorry, STEVE!"] the
Japanese economy by a factor of one to FIVE...yet the leadership still assumed that the
complacent and isolationist US would not react to the Pearl Harbor attack - WRONG...!!!

The Axis countries lost, largely because they could not match Allied war matériel production,
and ultimately they could not project naval and air power on a long - range basis (Germany especially) .
The output of the British Empire *alone* was twice that of Germany, and once the resources
of the USSR and the USA started rolling, it was a real "turkey shoot"...

The Germans especially did not utilise the industrial production of the European nations they
conquered, they stripped and looted instead of using those resources...

They eventually just "ran out of stuff" - food, fuel, raw materials...and so could not continue.

And let's face it, Hitler and Tojo (not to mention Mussolini, lol) were fairly stupid when it came
to war strategy...so was Stalin, but we saved his ass...

I read somewhere that the average US soldier in the Pacific Theater was backed up with *two tons*
of supplies, e.g. weapons, food, vehicles, medicine, housing, all the gear to win a modern mobile war...

The average Japanese soldier went out with *TWENTY POUNDS* of matériel...the soldiers were
expected to basically "live off the land" and loot to survive...

One popular modern - day misconception was that Britain was something of a "weak sister" until
the US starting aiding them. Not true, British industrial production was prodigious, they (and Canada)
staved off the Germans for 27 months until the US entered the war. Britain was also *very* far ahead
of everyone else in modern scientific applications such as radar, sonar, cryptology, electronic
computing, jet propulsion - those modern tools GREATLY helped to win the war. Britain also had the
largest Navy, no one else even came close...some of the best aircraft, too...

And dropping the A - bombs on Japan was necessary, it was a wonderful gift to the Japanese people
and indeed the world. Japan went from a savage warlike society to a nation of peace, a nation of
the very first rank - the A - bomb was part of that equation, that "atomic shock" was very necessary...

Victor Davis Hanson is the very best chronicler of WW II, I've a number of his books and there are
many of his articles about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson

Here is one for a start:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/10/victor-davis-hanson-second-world-wars-excerpt-axis-outmatched-beginning/

The Axis Was Outmatched from the Start
By VICTOR DAVIS HANSON
October 17, 2017

"When World War II broke out in 1939, Germany did not have a serious plan for
defeating any of those enemies, present or future, that were positioned well
beyond its own borders. Unlike its more distant adversaries, the Third Reich
had neither an adequate blue-water navy nor a strategic bombing fleet, anchored
by escort fighters and heavy bombers of four engines whose extended ranges and
payloads might make vulnerable the homelands of any new enemies on the horizon.
Hitler did not seem to grasp that the four most populous countries or territories in the
world — China, India, the Soviet Union, and the United States — were either fighting
against the Axis or opposed to its agendas. Never before or since had all these
peoples (well over 1 billion total) fought at once and on the same side...

The Allies — including the Soviet Union on most occasions — usually avoided starting
theater wars that ended in multi-year infantry quagmires. In contrast, Japan, Germany,
and Italy respectively bogged down in China, the Soviet Union, and North Africa and
the Balkans...

Germany’s problem in particular was that its two most potent enemies, Britain and
Russia, were also the hardest to reach. While Germany’s central European location
was convenient for bullying the French and Eastern Europeans, its British and Russian
existential enemies enjoyed both land and sea buffers from the vaunted German army...

The Anglo-Americans, for example, more quickly rectified flaws in their strategic-bombing
campaign — by employing longer-range fighter escorts, recalibrating targeting, integrating
radar into air-defense networks, developing novel tactics, and producing more and better
planes and crews — than did Germany in its bombing against Britain. America would add
bombers and crews at a rate unimaginable for Germany. The result was that during six
months of the Blitz (September 1940 to February 1941), the Luftwaffe, perhaps the best
strategic bombing force in the world in late 1939 through mid-1940, dropped only 30,000
tons of bombs on Britain. In contrast, in the half year between June and November 1944,
Allied bombers dropped 20 times that tonnage on Germany..."

</>

[Ed Pawlowski]

There are arguments on both sides.
https://thediplomat.com/2014/08/did-bombing-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-save-lives/

https://www.fosters.com/news/20170807/bombs-dropped-on-japan-saved-millions-of-lives

[GM]

ItsJoan NotJoAnn wrote:

> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 6:18:17 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
> > <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
> > >

> > >My dad was born in 1902 and my mom in 1912 and I'm the baby
> > >in my family of five.
> > >

> > Joan, my dad was in the Navy and fought the Japs in WWll. I'll very
> > soon be 79, you're making me feel like Jail Bait, I wouldn't mind. lol
> >

> My dad was too young for WWI and too old for WWII but he was a welder
> at a boatyard building LST's.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/65V4w2Lk/LST.jpg

Was that down by New Orleans/Gulf Coast area...???

--
GM

[Bruce 3.2]

I think that you can't justify killing that many civilians, children,
old people, women, men, all innocent.

If they could have thrown an atomic bomb on just the emperor or the
misbehaving Japanese soldiers, I'd have been all for it.

[dsi1]

You got that about right. The Emperor did a gutsy thing by standing up to his military advisors and calling it quits. He also gave up his status as a living deity. The lesson to be learned here is: don't listen to your military advisors!
My dad was in Japan during the occupation. He said it was a most pitiful thing. People would make way for him when he walked on the street. They would look on the ground as if he were king but he was just a guy in an army uniform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y5wCqJsE_Q

[Bruce 3.2]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:55:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:

>On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:09:05 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 9/17/2021 7:49 PM, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>> >
>> > My mother barely survived a Japanese concentration camp and always
>> > called them Jappen (Japs) as well. If Japs don't like that, they
>> > shouldn't have tortured women, children and men the way they did. They
>> > were horrible. No sense of honour or decency.
>> I can't remember who told me this or where I learned it, but up until
>> WW2, the Japanese basically believed that their emperor was God, and
>> they would fight until the bitter end. The USA knew that they would
>> keep fighting after Pearl Harbor, they didn't scare, because they
>> believed the emperor's word as God, and he told them to march on.
>>
>> Basically, that's why we had to drop bombs on Japan, until the emperor
>> relented, because he knew that we were more powerful. I guess the
>> Japanese people wised up after that.
>
>You got that about right. The Emperor did a gutsy thing by standing up to his military advisors and calling it quits. He also gave up his status as a living deity.

The emperor was a war criminal.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 8:56:18 PM UTC-5, GM wrote:

>
> ItsJoan NotJoAnn wrote:
>
> > My dad was too young for WWI and too old for WWII but he was a welder
> > at a boatyard building LST's.
> >
> > https://i.postimg.cc/65V4w2Lk/LST.jpg
> >
> Was that down by New Orleans/Gulf Coast area...???
>

> GM
>
This picture was made a few years ago at Clarksville, TN; about 45 miles
slightly northwest of Nashville.

[Ophelia]

On 17/09/2021 05:14, Michael Trew wrote:
> I came across this in a different news group today, and I found it quite
> enlightening, also enjoying the old pictures.  This is from the BBC, so
> likely European/British WWI food rationing.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zqhyb9q/articles/z8kv34j

==

Thank you, I enjoyed that:))

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 09:49:41 +1000, Bruce 3.2 <Bro...@invalid.invalid>

My uncle worked in the coal mines in Nagasaki from 1940 on after his
ship was sunk in the South China Sea. His opinion was they did what
they had to do, as did he and that the way the Japanese guards were
treated was little better than he was treated. He said the main
difference was they got the lumps of meat or fish in the daily gruel,
prisoners did not.

Up until the war started they had been a very contained culture, not
really meeting up with other people.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:09:03 -0400, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

Yes that's a pretty good summation of how it went. However, atom
bombs were a terrible choice. As late as 1962 my mother had a house
maid who used to take time off to go down to the Hiroshima area to
help nurse a relative who was dying of radiation sickness.

[Janet]

In article <1ae31810-ad80-4754...@googlegroups.com>,
itsjoan...@webtv.net says...

>
> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:14:06 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> >
> > I came across this in a different news group today, and I found it quite
> > enlightening, also enjoying the old pictures. This is from the BBC, so
> > likely European/British WWI food rationing.
> >
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zqhyb9q/articles/z8kv34j
> >

> I don't recall my parents ever mentioning rationing during WW1 but then
> again both of them lived on farms at the time. Nor do I recall hearing
> of rationing in the USA at that time. WW2, yes certainly.

Michael's link is about rationing in WW1 UK. Not Europe, not USA.

Janet UK

[Janet]

In article <cba68ba6-0241-4497...@googlegroups.com>,
itsjoan...@webtv.net says...

>
> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 5:23:24 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >
> > itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> > >

> > > I don't recall my parents ever mentioning rationing during WW1 but then
> > > again both of them lived on farms at the time. Nor do I recall hearing
> > > of rationing in the USA at that time. WW2, yes certainly.
> > >

> > The US was only in the war for the last year or so. Plus, folks
> > just didn't whine as much back then.
> >
> > I'm surprised your parents were living during WWI.
> >
> > You must be pretty old, and that's cool!
> >

> My dad was born in 1902 and my mom in 1912 and I'm the baby
> in my family of five.

My Dad was born in 1889. That is not a typo. It would be his 132nd
birthday this month.

My Mother was born in 1920.


Janet UK

[Janet]

In article <si3ams$r17$1...@dont-email.me>, michae...@att.net says...

>
> I can't remember who told me this or where I learned it, but up until
> WW2, the Japanese basically believed that their emperor was God, and
> they would fight until the bitter end. The USA knew that they would
> keep fighting after Pearl Harbor, they didn't scare, because they
> believed the emperor's word as God, and he told them to march on.

Jesus christ Michael. Pearl Harbour was Japan's hugely successful
first strike; their declaration of war on the USA and the British
Empire.

OF COURSE the USA knew Japan was going to "fight on after Pearl
Harbour". On the same day as Pearl Harbour, Japan launched war attacka
on the U.S.-held Philippines, Guam, and Wake Island and on the British
Empire in Malaya, Singapore, and Hong Kong.

Janet UK

[Janet]

In article <tt9akgpq5o2nqogmb...@4ax.com>,
lucreti...@fl.it says...

>
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 19:34:24 -0400, Michael Trew
> <michae...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >On 9/17/2021 6:56 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> >> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 5:23:24 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >>>
> >>> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't recall my parents ever mentioning rationing during WW1 but then
> >>>> again both of them lived on farms at the time. Nor do I recall hearing
> >>>> of rationing in the USA at that time. WW2, yes certainly.
> >>>>
> >>> The US was only in the war for the last year or so. Plus, folks
> >>> just didn't whine as much back then.
> >>>
> >>> I'm surprised your parents were living during WWI.
> >>>
> >>> You must be pretty old, and that's cool!
> >>>
> >> My dad was born in 1902 and my mom in 1912 and I'm the baby
> >> in my family of five.
> >

> >People are surprised to hear that my great grandfather was born in 1888.
> > G-grandma was born in 1900. My grandmother (mom's mother) was "second
> >to the baby" - 1938.. her last living sibling of 10 was the baby, born
> >in '40. Only Grandma and her younger brother, of all 10, are still
> >around.
> >
> >Actually, I have a picture, from there wedding day in 1915. Jacob and
> >Anna Ruptnik.
> >
> >https://postimg.cc/PPNTbj0G
>
> Lovely, she looks really nervous or mad at him :)

Check birthdate of first baby....



Janet UK

[Michael Trew]

I'm not picking a right/wrong side on this, but it's hard to argue with
that.

[Ophelia]

On 18/09/2021 00:06, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 5:23:24 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>
>>> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't recall my parents ever mentioning rationing during WW1 but then
>>>> again both of them lived on farms at the time. Nor do I recall hearing
>>>> of rationing in the USA at that time. WW2, yes certainly.
>>>>
>>> The US was only in the war for the last year or so. Plus, folks
>>> just didn't whine as much back then.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised your parents were living during WWI.
>>>
>>> You must be pretty old, and that's cool!
>>>
>> My dad was born in 1902 and my mom in 1912 and I'm the baby
>> in my family of five.
>

> 1902! He must have seen the last of the dinosaurs!
>

==

Which makes joan the last ... lol

[Michael Trew]

(snip)

Very interesting read!

[Michael Trew]

That's horrible... I couldn't imagine suffering for that many years.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 09:55:17 -0400, Michael Trew

We were the first civilians into Japan after WWII - we went by sea
from HK to Shimonoseki and by train to Tokyo. Having been in war time
UK for the duration I was used to bombed buildings but even as a kid
could see the immensity of Hiroshima as we passed.

Many people lived lives of misery after the bomb, radiation sickness
is evil. My uncle was lucky, they were above ground when the other
bomb hit Nagasaki and he told us they felt blinded. He was lucky in
that he only had itchy skin the rest of his life. Not pleasant but
better than the sickness!

It seems petty but one of the bad things was nearly every Japanese
person suffered from worms after the war, from poor diet and likely
less than sanitary food. My father let my mother take a trip to HK
for dresses etc but only on condition she brought back a whole
suitcase of worm pills which he gave out. Sad when people can be
grateful, very grateful, for worm medication :(

[bruce bowser]

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 12:14:06 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> I came across this in a different news group today, and I found it quite
> enlightening, also enjoying the old pictures. This is from the BBC, so
> likely European/British WWI food rationing.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zqhyb9q/articles/z8kv34j
>

> What did people eat during World War One?

Wieners and coffee

[Bruce 3.2]

So he did a Charlie Chaplin siring you.

[Bruce 3.2]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 14:42:08 +0100, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

lol

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

> Which makes joan the last ... lol
>

When senility sets in as it has with OhFeelMe, reading comprehension
goes waaaaay down. It also interferes with her knowing when to change
her soggy Depends.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

> > Which makes joan the last ... lol
> >
> lol
>

Yes, her senility is funny when she makes a fool of herself. But I bet that
urine soaked Depends stinks to high heaven.

[Bruce 3.2]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:23:36 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 1:40:09 PM UTC-5, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 14:42:08 +0100, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >On 18/09/2021 00:06, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> >> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> My dad was born in 1902 and my mom in 1912 and I'm the baby
>> >>> in my family of five.
>> >>
>> >> 1902! He must have seen the last of the dinosaurs!
>> >>
>> >
>> > Which makes joan the last ... lol
>> >
>> lol
>>
>Yes, her senility is funny when she makes a fool of herself. But I bet that
>urine soaked Depends stinks to high heaven.

You're one of the nastiest people here, Joan. You're also on repeat
again.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

And OhFeelMe is an angel that just dropped from heaven and landed in this
group. Good thing she landed on her stupid head and not her ass or you'd
have gotten a shot of urine flying out of her soaked Depends right in the eye.

[Bruce 3.2]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:50:41 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-5, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:23:36 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Yes, her senility is funny when she makes a fool of herself. But I bet that
>> >urine soaked Depends stinks to high heaven.
>> >
>> You're one of the nastiest people here, Joan. You're also on repeat
>> again.
>>
>And OhFeelMe is an angel that just dropped from heaven and landed in this
>group. Good thing she landed on her stupid head and not her ass or you'd
>have gotten a shot of urine flying out of her soaked Depends right in the eye.

You're on repeat. And that joke wasn't even funny the first time.

[GM]

+1000

--
GM

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

You just haven't read it enough. Read it over and over and over and it will
be funny. You'll be rolling on the floor holding your sides from laughing
so hard. (Once you get that splinter out of your foot.)

[Geoff Rove]

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 8:44:05 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 9/17/2021 8:21 PM, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:09:03 -0400, Michael Trew
> > <michae...@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/17/2021 7:49 PM, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 20:40:12 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> >>> <lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Both my father, and one of my uncles, fought against the Japanese in
> >>>> WWII and both would be appalled that you use that word to describe
> >>>> their nationality. There is no call for it, save ignorance.
> >>>
> >>> My mother barely survived a Japanese concentration camp and always
> >>> called them Jappen (Japs) as well. If Japs don't like that, they
> >>> shouldn't have tortured women, children and men the way they did. They
> >>> were horrible. No sense of honour or decency.
> >>
> >> I can't remember who told me this or where I learned it, but up until
> >> WW2, the Japanese basically believed that their emperor was God, and
> >> they would fight until the bitter end. The USA knew that they would
> >> keep fighting after Pearl Harbor, they didn't scare, because they
> >> believed the emperor's word as God, and he told them to march on.
> >

> > Yes. If the emperor had said stop, they'd all have stopped. They were
> > his drones.
> >

> >> Basically, that's why we had to drop bombs on Japan, until the emperor
> >> relented, because he knew that we were more powerful. I guess the
> >> Japanese people wised up after that.
> >

> > IMO, dropping those bombs is the biggest WW2 atrocity after the
> > Holocaust.
> >
> There are arguments on both sides.
> https://thediplomat.com/2014/08/did-bombing-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-save-lives/
>
> https://www.fosters.com/news/20170807/bombs-dropped-on-japan-saved-millions-of-lives

Yet Adolf Hitler made it to Bush compound in Kennebunkport Maine by submarine.

Current Living USA Hitler's by state
Wisconsin has 3
Michigan has 4
Pennsylvania has 2
New York has 4
Ohio has 4 including George 3rd
Florida has 4
Wow Illinois has 7 according to White pages.vom

[Bruce 3.2]

I think you wouldn't have a life in Europe with that name. You'd
really have to change it. I've also never met an Adolf.

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 05:56:41 +1000, Bruce 3.2 <Bro...@invalid.invalid>

wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:50:41 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-5, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:23:36 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Yes, her senility is funny when she makes a fool of herself. But I bet that
>>> >urine soaked Depends stinks to high heaven.
>>> >
>>> You're one of the nastiest people here, Joan. You're also on repeat
>>> again.
>>>
>>And OhFeelMe is an angel that just dropped from heaven and landed in this
>>group. Good thing she landed on her stupid head and not her ass or you'd
>>have gotten a shot of urine flying out of her soaked Depends right in the eye.
>
>You're on repeat. And that joke wasn't even funny the first time.

Then you lack a sense of humour!

[bruce bowser]

On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 12:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 9/17/2021 12:14 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> > I came across this in a different news group today, and I found it quite
> > enlightening, also enjoying the old pictures. This is from the BBC, so
> > likely European/British WWI food rationing.
> >
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zqhyb9q/articles/z8kv34j

> When people talk about "the good old days" they sure don't mean that era.

-- https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SN19131115.2.57&e=-------en--20--1--txt-txIN--------1

[Bruce 3.2]

Are you still walking around rejected and angry? Amazing. A more
mature person would have gotten over it a long time ago.

[Hank Rogers]

It is a fragrance only himself savors.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> >

> > Yes, her senility is funny when she makes a fool of herself. But I bet that
> > urine soaked Depends stinks to high heaven.
> >
> It is a fragrance only himself savors.
>

Eau de Ammonia.

[jmcquown]

On 9/18/2021 8:04 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article <1ae31810-ad80-4754...@googlegroups.com>,
> itsjoan...@webtv.net says...

>>
>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 11:14:06 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>> I came across this in a different news group today, and I found it quite
>>> enlightening, also enjoying the old pictures. This is from the BBC, so
>>> likely European/British WWI food rationing.
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/zqhyb9q/articles/z8kv34j
>>>

>> I don't recall my parents ever mentioning rationing during WW1 but then
>> again both of them lived on farms at the time. Nor do I recall hearing
>> of rationing in the USA at that time. WW2, yes certainly.
>

> Michael's link is about rationing in WW1 UK. Not Europe, not USA.
>
> Janet UK
>
>
>
True, but the concepts carried over to WWII so the thread drift to the
Second War is to be expected. Prior to the German U-boats in WWI I
don't think anyone ever had to consider rationing of things like wheat
in the UK.

It was totally different in the US in WWI. There was no rationing.
Americans were encouraged to try to buy less, sort of self-rationing,
but no ration books or any of that AFAIK. WWII was different. But
still not nearly as bad nor for as long as in the UK in that Second War.

Jill

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 06:52:25 +1000, Bruce 3.2 <Bro...@invalid.invalid>

wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 17:32:39 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
><lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 05:56:41 +1000, Bruce 3.2 <Bro...@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:50:41 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>><itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>And OhFeelMe is an angel that just dropped from heaven and landed in this
>>>>group. Good thing she landed on her stupid head and not her ass or you'd
>>>>have gotten a shot of urine flying out of her soaked Depends right in the eye.
>>>
>>>You're on repeat. And that joke wasn't even funny the first time.
>>
>>Then you lack a sense of humour!
>
>Are you still walking around rejected and angry? Amazing. A more
>mature person would have gotten over it a long time ago.

Really? Sorry in my world a friend is a friend and you don't dump
them for something they never said !

[Lucretia Borgia]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 16:40:25 -0500, Hank Rogers <Ha...@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

And Brucie, he defends her to the bitter end!

[Bruce 3.2]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 22:56:38 -0300, Lucretia Borgia

<lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 06:52:25 +1000, Bruce 3.2 <Bro...@invalid.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 17:32:39 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>><lucreti...@fl.it> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 05:56:41 +1000, Bruce 3.2 <Bro...@invalid.invalid>
>>>wrote:
>>>

>>>>You're on repeat. And that joke wasn't even funny the first time.
>>>
>>>Then you lack a sense of humour!
>>
>>Are you still walking around rejected and angry? Amazing. A more
>>mature person would have gotten over it a long time ago.
>
>Really? Sorry in my world a friend is a friend and you don't dump
>them for something they never said !

Time to move on.

[Bruce 3.2]

Time to move on.

[Ed Pawlowski]

I know of one. He was born sometime in the 1920s. Not sure of his
nationality.

Still used though.
Is it legal to name your child Adolf in Germany?
In fact, it is perfectly legal to call a child Adolf in modern Germany,
and there are some 46,000 people of that name living in the country,
according to a study by the University of Leipzig. Germany has some of
the strictest laws in Europe on what you can name a child.

[jmcquown]

Ophelia never actually told you what it was you allegedly said or did to
her, did she? I remember you kept asking but she never did say.

Jill

[Bruce 3.2]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 22:08:56 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I don't know, but I do know that Lucretia could never handle the fact
that Ophelia and she disagreed politically.

[Bruce 3.2]

I don't know about Germany, but if you'd call your child Adolf in the
Netherlands, you'd be asking for trouble. And if you'd introduce
yourself to someone saying "Hello, I'm Hitler", people would think
you're nuts.

[Mike Duffy]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:24:18 +1000, Bruce 3.2 wrote:

I once knew someone with the family name 'Hitler'.

[Bruce 3.2]

Maybe you can get away with it in the US.

[Michael Trew]

I don't see any need for the nastiness, quite frankly. If you don't
like someone, move on. Joan's comments are childish and embarrassing
(for her).

[Ed Pawlowski]

Some interesting reading there

Possess Property Is Inherent In All Mankind —Boy Desires No Partnership
Affair.

The average boy believes firmly In the principle of the private
ownership of personal property, writes Thomas W. Lloyd in the Mother's
Magazine. He would rather be the sole possessor of a broken handled
knife with no blades than a pearl handled, four bladed affair in
partnership. In fact, the desire to own something —to possess property
—is inherent in all mankind. And mothers should endeavor to foster this
desire. It will not only increase the boy's happiness, but will teach
him the value of acquisition within proper limits. He should have his
own playthings, his own tools, his own books, his own clothes and a
place of his own in which to keep them. A boy who is permitted to do
this will take better care of things than if owned In partnership, and
he will learn eagerly to have a place for his things and to keep them in
their place. And this is a valuable lesson. Do not make a younger boy
wear hiß older brother's clothing which the latter has outgrown, if it
can be avoided. Of course in some families, where every cent counts,
this cannot be helped. Every boy, and we speak from experience, hates to
wear another's clothes. He wants his own. Give him his own bureau drawer
and at least a portion of a closet and teach him habits of orderliness
and system in the care of his possessions. These habits are easily
learned when young and their value to the man of business is Incalculable.

[Ophelia]

On 18/09/2021 20:20, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 8:42:14 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
>> On 18/09/2021 00:06, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My dad was born in 1902 and my mom in 1912 and I'm the baby
>>>> in my family of five.
>>>
>>> 1902! He must have seen the last of the dinosaurs!
>>>
>> Which makes joan the last ... lol
>>

> When senility sets in as it has with OhFeelMe, reading comprehension
> goes waaaaay down. It also interferes with her knowing when to change
> her soggy Depends.
>

====

LOLOL

[Ophelia]

On 18/09/2021 20:23, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 1:40:09 PM UTC-5, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 14:42:08 +0100, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk>

>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 18/09/2021 00:06, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My dad was born in 1902 and my mom in 1912 and I'm the baby
>>>>> in my family of five.
>>>>
>>>> 1902! He must have seen the last of the dinosaurs!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which makes joan the last ... lol
>>>

>> lol
>>
> Yes, her senility is funny when she makes a fool of herself. But I bet that
> urine soaked Depends stinks to high heaven.
>

Is that all you have to attack me with?? Don't you think it is a bit
old! You seem to have an obsession with Depends:) I can only think they
play a large part of your life:)))))

[Ophelia]

On 18/09/2021 20:34, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:23:36 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 1:40:09 PM UTC-5, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 14:42:08 +0100, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 18/09/2021 00:06, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 17 Sep 2021 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My dad was born in 1902 and my mom in 1912 and I'm the baby
>>>>>> in my family of five.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1902! He must have seen the last of the dinosaurs!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which makes joan the last ... lol
>>>>
>>> lol
>>>
>> Yes, her senility is funny when she makes a fool of herself. But I bet that
>> urine soaked Depends stinks to high heaven.
>

> You're one of the nastiest people here, Joan. You're also on repeat
> again.
>

You are wasting your time. She is too thick to understand that!

[Ophelia]

On 18/09/2021 20:50, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> And OhFeelMe is an angel that just dropped from heaven and landed in this
> group. Good thing she landed on her stupid head and not her ass or you'd
> have gotten a shot of urine flying out of her soaked Depends right in the eye.
>

PHew for one moment I thought you had forgotten about your Depends:))

[Ophelia]

On 18/09/2021 20:56, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:50:41 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 2:35:03 PM UTC-5, Bruce 3.2 wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 18 Sep 2021 12:23:36 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, her senility is funny when she makes a fool of herself. But I bet that
>>>> urine soaked Depends stinks to high heaven.
>>>>
>>> You're one of the nastiest people here, Joan. You're also on repeat
>>> again.
>>>
>> And OhFeelMe is an angel that just dropped from heaven and landed in this
>> group. Good thing she landed on her stupid head and not her ass or you'd
>> have gotten a shot of urine flying out of her soaked Depends right in the eye.
>

> You're on repeat. And that joke wasn't even funny the first time.
>

But surely she can't be on repeat????

[Bruce 3.2]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 08:24:35 +0100, Ophelia <Oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:

She always says the same things.