DINNER ON THE 4th JULY - Suggestions wanted.

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Derry Sheena Barbo

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Jun 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/24/96
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We are having a friend come round to dinner on Thursday, July 4th, and I
wondered if anybody had any ideas about what to cook for a starter, main
course + veg., and a pudding. The friend is Jewish, but have no idea
whether they are strictly Orthodox, Progressive, Reform, or will eat
anything.
Just to be on the safe side, will not give them any Pork or Alternative
Meats (see QUERY ONE) , but would appreciate some suggestions for an
authentic American (USA) meal.
Probably have the recipes amongst my collection of 250+ cookbooks, so
just the names of the dishes would suffice - preferably something other
than Turkey because we plan to cook a Mole Poblano the previous week for
some other friends.

Thanks in advance,

thespis

PS - NOT Meatloaf or Pumpkin Pie either (Yeuch !!).

Allison Mitchell

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Jun 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/24/96
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In article <DtI0B...@cix.compulink.co.uk>,

Derry Sheena Barbo <the...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
>We are having a friend come round to dinner on Thursday, July 4th, and I
>wondered if anybody had any ideas about what to cook for a starter, main
>course + veg., and a pudding. The friend is Jewish, but have no idea
>whether they are strictly Orthodox, Progressive, Reform, or will eat
>anything.
>Just to be on the safe side, will not give them any Pork or Alternative
>Meats (see QUERY ONE) , but would appreciate some suggestions for an
>authentic American (USA) meal.
>Probably have the recipes amongst my collection of 250+ cookbooks, so
>just the names of the dishes would suffice - preferably something other
>than Turkey because we plan to cook a Mole Poblano the previous week for
>some other friends.

In my mind, July 4th needs something grilled. You could do hamburgers (not
cheeseburgers), or marinate chicken in something yummy and grill that.
Of course, I don't think steak would be out of the question either (note:
I missed QUERY ONE, and don't know what you mean by "alternative meats").
As long as you're grilling, you could throw some veggies on the grill as
well....or have any of the standard salads. For a starter, you could put
out lots of fresh fruit. I don't know much about puddings....

This would have the benefit of being very traditional as far as the 4th goes.

As far as figuring out whether or not a specific dish would be appropriate,
I usually ask if there are any strong dislikes, allergies, or other things
I should avoid while planning the meal. That way I don't end up serving
someone, say, their least favorite vegetable or a main dish that would
send them to the hospital. If you don't feel too awkward asking your friend
whether or not there's anything you should know about as far as foods or
food combinations to avoid, I'd ask.

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Jack and Kay Hartman

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Jun 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/24/96
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In <DtI0B...@cix.compulink.co.uk> the...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Derry

Sheena Barbo") writes:
>
>We are having a friend come round to dinner on Thursday, July 4th, and
I
>wondered if anybody had any ideas about what to cook for a starter,
main
>course + veg., and a pudding. The friend is Jewish, but have no idea
>whether they are strictly Orthodox, Progressive, Reform, or will eat
>anything.
>Just to be on the safe side, will not give them any Pork or
Alternative
>Meats (see QUERY ONE) , but would appreciate some suggestions for an
>authentic American (USA) meal.
>Probably have the recipes amongst my collection of 250+ cookbooks, so
>just the names of the dishes would suffice - preferably something
other
>than Turkey because we plan to cook a Mole Poblano the previous week
for
>some other friends.

The 4th of July absolutely requires the use of the barbecue or the deep
fryer. My family was a barbecue family but fried chicken would do. So
barbecue some hamburgers or some beef hot dogs (I only say beef because
you are not sure what foods your Jewish friends don't eat) or both.
Eat them on buns with ketchup, mustard, sweet pickle relish, and onion.
Include some mayonnaise for the hamburgers. Eat this with potato
salad. You could throw in some macaroni salad also. Fried chicken
could still be included in the barbecue meal. For dessert you have to
have apple pie (preferably with vanilla ice cream) or strawberry
shortcake. This was 4th of July dinner the whole time I was growing
up.

This year I'm going to the Berkeley cook-in so I guess I'll be eating a
little different than I did during my childhood.

Kay

Jack and Kay Hartman

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Jun 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/24/96
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In <4qm7gg$n...@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> hart...@ix.netcom.com(Jack

and Kay Hartman ) writes:

>The 4th of July absolutely requires the use of the barbecue or the
deep
>fryer. My family was a barbecue family but fried chicken would do.
So
>barbecue some hamburgers or some beef hot dogs (I only say beef
because
>you are not sure what foods your Jewish friends don't eat) or both.
>Eat them on buns with ketchup, mustard, sweet pickle relish, and
onion.
>Include some mayonnaise for the hamburgers. Eat this with potato
>salad. You could throw in some macaroni salad also. Fried chicken
>could still be included in the barbecue meal. For dessert you have to
>have apple pie (preferably with vanilla ice cream) or strawberry
>shortcake. This was 4th of July dinner the whole time I was growing
>up.

Oh. I forgot the corn on the cod. Got to have corn on the cob for a
traditional 4th of July dinner.

Kay

Mark and Lara Aleaine

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Jun 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/24/96
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the...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Derry Sheena Barbo") wrote:

>We are having a friend come round to dinner on Thursday, July 4th, and I
>wondered if anybody had any ideas about what to cook for a starter, main
>course + veg., and a pudding. The friend is Jewish, but have no idea
>whether they are strictly Orthodox, Progressive, Reform, or will eat
>anything.
>Just to be on the safe side, will not give them any Pork or Alternative
>Meats (see QUERY ONE) , but would appreciate some suggestions for an
>authentic American (USA) meal.
>Probably have the recipes amongst my collection of 250+ cookbooks, so
>just the names of the dishes would suffice - preferably something other
>than Turkey because we plan to cook a Mole Poblano the previous week for
>some other friends.

>Thanks in advance,

>thespis

>PS - NOT Meatloaf or Pumpkin Pie either (Yeuch !!).


A traditional 4th of July meal for my family in Texas consists of:

BBQ Beef Brisket
hot dogs
hamburgers
potato salad
big ol' pot of red beans
cornbread
pickle slices
onion slices
Beer
corn on the cob (grilled)
apple pie a la mode
chocolate pie

As you can probably tell... I have a VERY large family! *g*

Lara


Mary Ash

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Jun 24, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/24/96
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ale...@phoenix.net (Mark and Lara Aleaine) wrote:
>the...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Derry Sheena Barbo") wrote:
>
>>We are having a friend come round to dinner on Thursday, July 4th, and I
>>wondered if anybody had any ideas about what to cook for a starter, m
>
>>PS - NOT Meatloaf or Pumpkin Pie either (Yeuch !!).

snip...


>
>
>A traditional 4th of July meal for my family in Texas consists of:
>

snip some more...


We usually have:

Barbecue chicken or steaks
baked potatoes with all the fixings
tossed green salad
potato salad
Danish cucumbers
corn on the cob
garlic bread or cheese bread toasted in foil on the grill
iced tea
beer
Strawberry Shortcake or Strawberries and Angel Food cake>

Making me hungry just thinking about it...

Mary


Carol Morgan

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Jun 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/25/96
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Kay has nailed it and wins the prize. This is the quintessential
American 4th of July meal.

Carol


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Colin McElroy

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Jun 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/25/96
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hart...@ix.netcom.com(Jack and Kay Hartman ) wrote:

>In <DtI0B...@cix.compulink.co.uk> the...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Derry


>Sheena Barbo") writes:
>>
>>We are having a friend come round to dinner on Thursday, July 4th, and
>I
>>wondered if anybody had any ideas about what to cook for a starter,

>main
>>course + veg., and a pudding. The friend is Jewish, but have no idea
>>whether they are strictly Orthodox, Progressive, Reform, or will eat
>>anything.
>>Just to be on the safe side, will not give them any Pork or
>Alternative
>>Meats (see QUERY ONE) , but would appreciate some suggestions for an
>>authentic American (USA) meal.
>>Probably have the recipes amongst my collection of 250+ cookbooks, so
>>just the names of the dishes would suffice - preferably something
>other
>>than Turkey because we plan to cook a Mole Poblano the previous week
>for
>>some other friends.

Typical 4th:
For starters beer and wine and martinis. Make some good hamburgers.
Corn on the cob. Salad. Apple pie a la mode for dessert definitely,
with a little flag stuck in. Get some good beer or wine and stick
Budweiser labels on. Assuming he has a sense of humor.
Should be al fresco and as informal as possible.
If possible get a couple of neighbors to put on an act as drunken but
unknown relatives:)

Colin


PDMacGuire

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Jun 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/25/96
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If your friend were really conservative or even orthodox, they would
either not be
eating with you or would bring their own food and utensils, so I wouldn't
worry too
much! You can avoid mixing the meat with the dairy by using margerine and
also a
"Cool Whip" type non dairy topping. An excellent, easy AND patriotic
dessert is to
take cut up strawberries and put them in glass parfait glasses with
blueberries and then top them with whipped cream ( or topping) the red
white and blue combination always goes over very well!

Mary f (Pud)

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Jun 25, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/25/96
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Jack and Kay Hartman wrote:
>
> Oh. I forgot the corn on the cod.
^^^
Maybe at a New England 4th of July bake :-).

> Got to have corn on the cob for a
> traditional 4th of July dinner.
>
> Kay

OBFood: Blueberry pie for me!

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Madelin Holtkamp

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Jun 27, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/27/96
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This is the only day of the year that I make old-fashioned fried chicken.
With that we have corn on the cob, if the corn is in, or potato salad if
not. Other "sides": a big plate of sliced tomatoes, marinated green
beans, baked beans. I don't always make all of these. Sometimes add a
green salad.

An alternative menu is grilled salmon fillets with a soy, butter, garlic
and dash of worcestershire baste. All the rest the same.

For dessert we have strawberry shortcake or strawberry sundaes and watermelon.

Nancy Dooley

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In article <madelin-2706...@mac1-conf.visualidentity.com> mad...@north.pacific.net (Madelin Holtkamp) writes:
>From: mad...@north.pacific.net (Madelin Holtkamp)
>Subject: Re: DINNER ON THE 4th JULY - Suggestions wanted.
>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 11:06:06 +0100

We have brownies for dessert (along with the watermelon, of course).


Nancy Dooley

"Celebrate our State." Iowa's Sesquicentennial year, 1846-1996.

Nancy Dooley

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In article <nancy-dooley....@uiowa.edu> nancy-...@uiowa.edu (Nancy Dooley) writes:
>From: nancy-...@uiowa.edu (Nancy Dooley)

>Subject: Re: DINNER ON THE 4th JULY - Suggestions wanted.
>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 14:46:49

Oh, yeah, and deviled eggs and coleslaw.

ram...@ohsu.edu

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>the...@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Derry Sheena Barbo") wrote:

>>We are having a friend come round to dinner on Thursday, July 4th, and I
>>wondered if anybody had any ideas about what to cook for a starter, main
>>course + veg., and a pudding. The friend is Jewish, but have no idea
>>whether they are strictly Orthodox, Progressive, Reform, or will eat
>>anything.
>>Just to be on the safe side, will not give them any Pork or Alternative
>>Meats (see QUERY ONE) , but would appreciate some suggestions for an
>>authentic American (USA) meal.


Bar-B-Q is the norm for our family for the 4th of July.

Options would include :
main dish: chicken, hamburgers and hotdogs.
if you do hamburgers have mayonaise, catsup, mustard, pickles (dill usually),
sliced tomatoes, lettuce (iceberg usually - and in big pieces, not shredded),
cheese (sliced cheddar or american) and of course the buns

Salads: potato or pasta, (my mom also always made a red jello with fruit
cocktail in it 'cuz I don't eat mayo), relish tray of sliced carrots, celery,
black and green olives and pickles.

Appetizer: Potato chips and dip (usually onion)

desserts: apple pie, cherry pie, strawberry pie, vanilla ice cream,
watermelon or popsicles (frozen colored sugar water on a stick)

beverages: lemonaide, ice tea, or beer

After dinner, everyone would go play softball to "make room" for dessert.

Marcia


Nancy Dooley

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Jun 28, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/28/96
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In article <ramseyb.8...@ohsu.edu> ram...@ohsu.edu writes:
>From: ram...@ohsu.edu

>Subject: Re: DINNER ON THE 4th JULY - Suggestions wanted.
>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 21:05:10 GMT


>Bar-B-Q is the norm for our family for the 4th of July.

>Options would include :
>main dish: chicken, hamburgers and hotdogs.
>if you do hamburgers have mayonaise, catsup, mustard, pickles (dill usually),
>sliced tomatoes, lettuce (iceberg usually - and in big pieces, not shredded),

Ugh, mayo on hamburgers....did this start with the fast food "sauces"? I
can't remember EVER having a hamburger with mayo when I was growing up.

Each to own; I'm just curious.

Sue M. Ford

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On Jun 28, 1996 10:25:32 in article <Re: DINNER ON THE 4th JULY -

Suggestions wanted.>, 'nancy-...@uiowa.edu (Nancy Dooley)' wrote:

>In article <ramseyb.8...@ohsu.edu> ram...@ohsu.edu writes:

>>Bar-B-Q is the norm for our family for the 4th of July.
>
>>Options would include :
>>main dish: chicken, hamburgers and hotdogs.
>>if you do hamburgers have mayonaise, catsup, mustard, pickles (dill
usually),
>
>>sliced tomatoes, lettuce (iceberg usually - and in big pieces, not
shredded),
>
>
>Ugh, mayo on hamburgers....did this start with the fast food "sauces"? I

>can't remember EVER having a hamburger with mayo when I was growing up.
>
>Each to own; I'm just curious.

I've recently had steak with bechamel sauce. I often put mayonnaise on
roast beef sandwiches. But I suspect the mayo on hamburgers did start with
fast food special sauces, etc.. BK, for instance, puts straight mayo on
the top of the sandwich, which has the lettuce and tomato and ketchup on
the bottom with the pickles and onions.

Works for me :>

--
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Terry Pogue

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I have a friend that puts Mayo on corn on the cob!



> > >can't remember EVER having a hamburger with mayo when I was growing up.
> > >
> > >Each to own; I'm just curious.
> >
> > I've recently had steak with bechamel sauce. I often put mayonnaise on
> > roast beef sandwiches. But I suspect the mayo on hamburgers did start with
> > fast food special sauces, etc.. BK, for instance, puts straight mayo on
> > the top of the sandwich, which has the lettuce and tomato and ketchup on
> > the bottom with the pickles and onions.
>
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Julia Chu

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In article <nancy-dooley....@uiowa.edu>
nancy-...@uiowa.edu (Nancy Dooley) writes:

> Ugh, mayo on hamburgers....did this start with the fast food "sauces"? I

> can't remember EVER having a hamburger with mayo when I was growing up.

I suspect this may be a Southern thing. Mayo on burgers is pretty
common here in Texas, and has been for as long as I can remember.
Personally, I don't care for it, but I don't like "special sauce"
either.

Grayjackl

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Jun 28, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/28/96
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This thread made me think about it. Now I have our menu:

Texas Brisket on buns.
Potato Salad.
BBQ baked beans.
Corn oysters
Corn on the cob
Cherry cobbler



Jack and Kay Hartman

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In <4r100o$9...@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com> s...@nyc.pipeline.com(Sue M.

Ford) writes:
>
>On Jun 28, 1996 10:25:32 in article <Re: DINNER ON THE 4th JULY -
>Suggestions wanted.>, 'nancy-...@uiowa.edu (Nancy Dooley)' wrote:

>>Ugh, mayo on hamburgers....did this start with the fast food
"sauces"? I
>
>>can't remember EVER having a hamburger with mayo when I was growing
up.
>>

>>Each to own; I'm just curious.
>
>I've recently had steak with bechamel sauce. I often put mayonnaise
on
>roast beef sandwiches. But I suspect the mayo on hamburgers did start
with
>fast food special sauces, etc.. BK, for instance, puts straight mayo
on
>the top of the sandwich, which has the lettuce and tomato and ketchup
on
>the bottom with the pickles and onions.
>

>Works for me :>

We had mayo when I was growing up. On one half of the bun I like to
put mayo and ketchup. On the other side I like Dijon mustard. Dill
pickle, onion, tomato (only if from the garden), and lettuce. Perfect.
I like Tillamook cheddar melted on the burger. If I'm real hungry,
some sauteed mushrooms.

Kay

Mary f(pud)

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Jun 29, 1996, 3:00:00 AM6/29/96
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There's also the "berry american" dessert. In a glass bowl layer with
strawberries (about 1-2 inches) then blueberries (same depth) then top
with whipped cream. Voila, red white and blue! :-).

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Terry Pogue (tpo...@ids2.idsonline.com) wrote:
: I have a friend that puts Mayo on corn on the cob!
:

in downtown los angeles mexican vendors pushing shopping carts with a
tub of corn on the cob sell it with a generous squirting of
butter-in-a-bottle, with a huge slathering of mayonaise, and then rolled
iinto parmesan (?) cheese. yum! i've adapted this to frozen corn
kernels... cook 'em, then add butter, mayo, parmesan, and lots of black
pepper... :)

i've also noticed a lot of mexicans putting mayonaise on their hotdogs at
7-eleven. i thought it was weird and then i tried it. hooked. :)

is mayonaise popular in mexico? i've never seen either of these treats
done by people of any other ethnicity. (except me)

relaine
:)

Dana Hall

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Jul 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/1/96
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In article <4r51q9$t...@news.jhu.edu>, rel...@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu
(WENDY WENG ) wrote:

Many of the hispanic venders here in Chicago also sell corn this
way...except they sprinkle red pepper instead of black on the corn. I
can't personally understand how someone can eat corn w/ mayo, but hey,
they ARE "muy popular" here in Chicago.

Dana Hall

Sam Waring

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Jul 1, 1996, 3:00:00 AM7/1/96
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On 28 Jun 96 Kay Hartman said this about that:

ND>>> Ugh, mayo on hamburgers....did this start with the fast food
ND>>> "sauces"? I can't remember EVER having a hamburger with mayo when
ND>>> I was growing up.

SMF>> But I suspect the mayo on hamburgers did start with fast food
SMF>> special sauces, etc..

KH> We had mayo when I was growing up. On one half of the bun I like to
KH> put mayo and ketchup. On the other side I like Dijon mustard. Dill
KH> pickle, onion, tomato (only if from the garden), and lettuce.

Mayo-on-yer-burger was de rigueur in West Texas thirty years back,
long before *any* fast-food chains (even Dairy Queen, the first to invade
our benighted part of the planet) ever appeared on our scene. Not only
did you put mayo on the bun, you better put it on the *top* part of the
bun, next to the veg, because the mustard was supposed to go on the bottom
next to the meat. Getting that wrong was grounds for pitching a hissy fit
and sending it all back, then. I'm inclined to believe that mayo on
burgers was more a Southern sorta custom than anything else; burgers with
ketchup on them, or ones missing the complement of lettuce-tomato-onion-
pickle, or both, were "Yankee burgers" in my childhood lexicon.

Sam

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Nancy Dooley

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In article <abb_960...@ima.infomail.com> Sam.W...@382-91-12.ima.infomail.com (Sam Waring) writes:
>From: Sam.W...@382-91-12.ima.infomail.com (Sam Waring)
>Date: 01 Jul 96 23:02:59
>Subject: DINNER ON THE 4th JULY - Suggestions wanted.

>and sending it all back, then. I'm inclined to believe that mayo on
>burgers was more a Southern sorta custom than anything else; burgers with
>ketchup on them, or ones missing the complement of lettuce-tomato-onion-
>pickle, or both, were "Yankee burgers" in my childhood lexicon.

But now that you're growed up, don't you put ketchup on your burgers just like
those "Yankee burgers?" ;-)

I'm one of those mustard-pickle-onion folk (no ketchup allowed). And for more
elaborate burgers, they've got to have tomato, lettuce and cheese.

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