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Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the Pandemic
With restaurants, hotels and schools closed, many of the nation’s largest farms are destroying millions of pounds of fresh goods that they can no longer sell
By David Yaffe-Bellany and Michael Corkery
April 11, 2020, 10:13 a.m. ET
"In Wisconsin and Ohio, farmers are dumping thousands of gallons of fresh milk into lagoons and manure pits. An Idaho farmer has dug huge ditches to bury 1 million pounds of onions. And in South Florida, a region that supplies much of the Eastern half of the United States with produce, tractors are crisscrossing bean and cabbage fields, plowing perfectly ripe vegetables back into the soil.
After weeks of concern about shortages in grocery stores and mad scrambles to find the last box of pasta or toilet paper roll, many of the nation’s largest farms are struggling with another ghastly effect of the pandemic. They are being forced to destroy tens of millions of pounds of fresh food that they can no longer sell.
The closing of restaurants, hotels and schools has left some farmers with no buyers for more than half their crops. And even as retailers see spikes in food sales to Americans who are now eating nearly every meal at home, the increases are not enough to absorb all of the perishable food that was planted weeks ago and intended for schools and businesses.
The amount of waste is staggering. The nation’s largest dairy cooperative, Dairy Farmers of America, estimates that farmers are dumping as many as 3.7 million gallons of milk each day. A single chicken processor is smashing 750,000 unhatched eggs every week.
Many farmers say they have donated part of the surplus to food banks and Meals on Wheels programs, which have been overwhelmed with demand. But there is only so much perishable food that charities with limited numbers of refrigerators and volunteers can absorb.
And the costs of harvesting, processing and then transporting produce and milk to food banks or other areas of need would put further financial strain on farms that have seen half their paying customers disappear. Exporting much of the excess food is not feasible either, farmers say, because many international customers are also struggling through the pandemic and recent currency fluctuations make exports unprofitable.
“It’s heartbreaking,” said Paul Allen, co-owner of R.C. Hatton, who has had to destroy millions of pounds of beans and cabbage at his farms in South Florida and Georgia.
The widespread destruction of fresh food — at a time when many Americans are hurting financially and millions are suddenly out of work — is an especially dystopian turn of events, even by the standards of a global pandemic. It reflects the profound economic uncertainty wrought by the virus and how difficult it has been for huge sectors of the economy, like agriculture, to adjust to such a sudden change in how they must operate.
Even as Mr. Allen and other farmers have been plowing fresh vegetables into the soil, they have had to plant the same crop again, hoping the economy will have restarted by the time the next batch of vegetables is ready to harvest. But if the food service industry remains closed, then those crops, too, may have to be destroyed.
Farmers are also learning in real time about the nation’s consumption habits.
The quarantines have shown just how many more vegetables Americans eat when meals are prepared for them in restaurants than when they have to cook for themselves.
“People don’t make onion rings at home,” said Shay Myers, a third-generation onion farmer whose fields straddle the border of Oregon and Idaho.
Mr. Myers said there were no good solutions to the fresh food glut. After his largest customer — the restaurant industry — shut down in California and New York, his farm started redistributing onions from 50-pound sacks into smaller bags that could be sold in grocery stores. He also started freezing some onions, but he has limited cold-storage capacity.
With few other options, Mr. Myers has begun burying tens of thousands of pounds of onions and leaving them to decompose in trenches.
“There is no way to redistribute the quantities that we are talking about,” he said.
Over the decades, the nation’s food banks have tried to shift from offering mostly processed meals to serving fresh produce, as well. But the pandemic has caused a shortage of volunteers, making it more difficult to serve fruits and vegetables, which are time-consuming and expensive to transport.
“To purchase from a whole new set of farmers and suppliers — it takes time, it takes knowledge, you have to find the people, develop the contracts,” said Janet Poppendieck, an expert on poverty and food assistance.
The waste has become especially severe in the dairy industry, where cows need to be milked multiple times a day, regardless of whether there are buyers.
Major consumers of dairy, like public schools and coffee shops, have all but vanished, leaving milk processing plants with fewer customers at a time of year when cows produce milk at their fastest rate. About 5 percent of the country’s milk supply is currently being dumped and that amount is expected to double if the closings are extended over the next few months, according to the International Dairy Foods Association.
Before the pandemic, the Dairymens processing plant in Cleveland would produce three loads of milk, or around 13,500 gallons, for Starbucks every day. Now the Starbucks order is down to one load every three days.
For a while after the pandemic took hold, the plant collected twice as much milk from farmers as it could process, keeping the excess supply in refrigerated trailers, said Brian Funk, who works for Dairymens as a liaison to farmers.
But eventually the plant ran out of storage. One night last week, Mr. Funk worked until 11 p.m., fighting back tears as he called farmers who supply the plant to explain the predicament.
“We’re not going to pick your milk up tomorrow,” he told them. “We don’t have any place to put it.”
One of the farms that got the call was the Hartschuh Dairy Farm, which has nearly 200 cows on a plot of land in northern Ohio.
A week ago, Rose Hartschuh, who runs the farm with her family, watched her father-in-law flush 31,000 pounds of milk into a lagoon. It took more than an hour for the milk to flow out of its refrigerated tank and down the drain pipe.
For years, dairy farmers have struggled with low prices and bankruptcies. “This is one more blow below the belt,” Ms. Hartschuh said.
To prevent further dumping, farming groups are trying everything to find places to send the excess milk — even lobbying pizza chains to increase the amount of cheese on every slice.
But there are logistical obstacles that prevent dairy products from being shifted neatly from food service customers to retailers.
At many dairy processors, for example, the machinery is designed to package shredded cheese in large bags for restaurants or place milk in small cartons for schools, rather than arrange the products in retail-friendly containers.
To repurpose those plants to put cheese in the 8 oz. bags that sell in grocery stores or bottle milk in gallon jugs would require millions of dollars in investment. For now, some processors have concluded that spending the money isn’t worth it.
“It isn’t like restaurant demand has disappeared forever,” said Matt Gould, a dairy industry analyst. “Even if it were possible to re-format to make it an 8-ounce package rather than a 20-pound bag, the dollars and cents may not pan out.”
Those same logistical challenges are bedeviling poultry plants that were set up to distribute chicken to restaurants rather than stores. Each week, the chicken processor Sanderson Farms destroys 750,000 unhatched eggs, or 5.5 percent of its total production, sending them to a rendering plant to be turned into pet food.
Last week, the chief executive of Sanderson Farms, Joe Sanderson, told analysts that company officials had even considered euthanizing chickens to avoid selling them at unprofitable rates, though the company ultimately did not take that step.
In recent days, Sanderson Farms has donated some of its chicken to food banks and organizations that cook meals for emergency medical workers. But hatching hundreds of thousands of eggs for the purpose of charity is not a viable option, said Mike Cockrell, the company’s chief financial officer.
“We’re set up to sell that chicken,” Mr. Cockrell said. “That would be an expensive proposition...”
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David Yaffe-Bellany reports on the food industry and general business news. He graduated from Yale University and previously reported in Texas, Ohio and Connecticut. @yaffebellany
Michael Corkery is a business reporter who covers the retail industry and its impact on consumers, workers and the economy. He joined The Times in 2014 and was previously a reporter at the Wall Street Journal and the Providence Journal. @mcorkery5
Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the Pandemic
With restaurants, hotels and schools closed, many of the nation’s largest farms are destroying millions of pounds of fresh goods that they can no longer sell
By David Yaffe-Bellany and Michael Corkery
April 11, 2020, 10:13 a.m. ET
"In Wisconsin and Ohio, farmers are dumping thousands of gallons of fresh milk into lagoons and manure pits. An Idaho farmer has dug huge ditches to bury 1 million pounds of onions. And in South Florida, a region that supplies much of the Eastern half of the United States with produce, tractors are crisscrossing bean and cabbage fields, plowing perfectly ripe vegetables back into the soil.
After weeks of concern about shortages in grocery stores and mad scrambles to find the last box of pasta or toilet paper roll, many of the nation’s largest farms are struggling with another ghastly effect of the pandemic. They are being forced to destroy tens of millions of pounds of fresh food that they can no longer sell.
The closing of restaurants, hotels and schools has left some farmers with no buyers for more than half their crops. And even as retailers see spikes in food sales to Americans who are now eating nearly every meal at home, the increases are not enough to absorb all of the perishable food that was planted weeks ago and intended for schools and businesses.
The amount of waste is staggering. The nation’s largest dairy cooperative, Dairy Farmers of America, estimates that farmers are dumping as many as 3.7 million gallons of milk each day. A single chicken processor is smashing 750,000 unhatched eggs every week.
Many farmers say they have donated part of the surplus to food banks and Meals on Wheels programs, which have been overwhelmed with demand. But there is only so much perishable food that charities with limited numbers of refrigerators and volunteers can absorb.
And the costs of harvesting, processing and then transporting produce and milk to food banks or other areas of need would put further financial strain on farms that have seen half their paying customers disappear. Exporting much of the excess food is not feasible either, farmers say, because many international customers are also struggling through the pandemic and recent currency fluctuations make exports unprofitable.
“It’s heartbreaking,” said Paul Allen, co-owner of R.C. Hatton, who has had to destroy millions of pounds of beans and cabbage at his farms in South Florida and Georgia.
The widespread destruction of fresh food — at a time when many Americans are hurting financially and millions are suddenly out of work — is an especially dystopian turn of events, even by the standards of a global pandemic. It reflects the profound economic uncertainty wrought by the virus and how difficult it has been for huge sectors of the economy, like agriculture, to adjust to such a sudden change in how they must operate.
Even as Mr. Allen and other farmers have been plowing fresh vegetables into the soil, they have had to plant the same crop again, hoping the economy will have restarted by the time the next batch of vegetables is ready to harvest. But if the food service industry remains closed, then those crops, too, may have to be destroyed.
Farmers are also learning in real time about the nation’s consumption habits.
The quarantines have shown just how many more vegetables Americans eat when meals are prepared for them in restaurants than when they have to cook for themselves.
“People don’t make onion rings at home,” said Shay Myers, a third-generation onion farmer whose fields straddle the border of Oregon and Idaho.
Mr. Myers said there were no good solutions to the fresh food glut. After his largest customer — the restaurant industry — shut down in California and New York, his farm started redistributing onions from 50-pound sacks into smaller bags that could be sold in grocery stores. He also started freezing some onions, but he has limited cold-storage capacity.
With few other options, Mr. Myers has begun burying tens of thousands of pounds of onions and leaving them to decompose in trenches.
“There is no way to redistribute the quantities that we are talking about,” he said.
Over the decades, the nation’s food banks have tried to shift from offering mostly processed meals to serving fresh produce, as well. But the pandemic has caused a shortage of volunteers, making it more difficult to serve fruits and vegetables, which are time-consuming and expensive to transport.
“To purchase from a whole new set of farmers and suppliers — it takes time, it takes knowledge, you have to find the people, develop the contracts,” said Janet Poppendieck, an expert on poverty and food assistance.
The waste has become especially severe in the dairy industry, where cows need to be milked multiple times a day, regardless of whether there are buyers.
Major consumers of dairy, like public schools and coffee shops, have all but vanished, leaving milk processing plants with fewer customers at a time of year when cows produce milk at their fastest rate. About 5 percent of the country’s milk supply is currently being dumped and that amount is expected to double if the closings are extended over the next few months, according to the International Dairy Foods Association.
Before the pandemic, the Dairymens processing plant in Cleveland would produce three loads of milk, or around 13,500 gallons, for Starbucks every day. Now the Starbucks order is down to one load every three days.
For a while after the pandemic took hold, the plant collected twice as much milk from farmers as it could process, keeping the excess supply in refrigerated trailers, said Brian Funk, who works for Dairymens as a liaison to farmers.
But eventually the plant ran out of storage. One night last week, Mr. Funk worked until 11 p.m., fighting back tears as he called farmers who supply the plant to explain the predicament.
“We’re not going to pick your milk up tomorrow,” he told them. “We don’t have any place to put it.”
One of the farms that got the call was the Hartschuh Dairy Farm, which has nearly 200 cows on a plot of land in northern Ohio.
A week ago, Rose Hartschuh, who runs the farm with her family, watched her father-in-law flush 31,000 pounds of milk into a lagoon. It took more than an hour for the milk to flow out of its refrigerated tank and down the drain pipe.
For years, dairy farmers have struggled with low prices and bankruptcies. “This is one more blow below the belt,” Ms. Hartschuh said.
To prevent further dumping, farming groups are trying everything to find places to send the excess milk — even lobbying pizza chains to increase the amount of cheese on every slice.
But there are logistical obstacles that prevent dairy products from being shifted neatly from food service customers to retailers.
At many dairy processors, for example, the machinery is designed to package shredded cheese in large bags for restaurants or place milk in small cartons for schools, rather than arrange the products in retail-friendly containers.
To repurpose those plants to put cheese in the 8 oz. bags that sell in grocery stores or bottle milk in gallon jugs would require millions of dollars in investment. For now, some processors have concluded that spending the money isn’t worth it.
“It isn’t like restaurant demand has disappeared forever,” said Matt Gould, a dairy industry analyst. “Even if it were possible to re-format to make it an 8-ounce package rather than a 20-pound bag, the dollars and cents may not pan out.”
Those same logistical challenges are bedeviling poultry plants that were set up to distribute chicken to restaurants rather than stores. Each week, the chicken processor Sanderson Farms destroys 750,000 unhatched eggs, or 5.5 percent of its total production, sending them to a rendering plant to be turned into pet food.
Last week, the chief executive of Sanderson Farms, Joe Sanderson, told analysts that company officials had even considered euthanizing chickens to avoid selling them at unprofitable rates, though the company ultimately did not take that step.
In recent days, Sanderson Farms has donated some of its chicken to food banks and organizations that cook meals for emergency medical workers. But hatching hundreds of thousands of eggs for the purpose of charity is not a viable option, said Mike Cockrell, the company’s chief financial officer.
“We’re set up to sell that chicken,” Mr. Cockrell said. “That would be an expensive proposition...”
</>
David Yaffe-Bellany reports on the food industry and general business news. He graduated from Yale University and previously reported in Texas, Ohio and Connecticut. @yaffebellany
Michael Corkery is a business reporter who covers the retail industry and its impact on consumers, workers and the economy. He joined The Times in 2014 and was previously a reporter at the Wall Street Journal and the Providence Journal. @mcorkery5
dsi1
Apr 11, 2020, 8:11:05 PM4/11/20
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GM
Apr 11, 2020, 8:36:40 PM4/11/20
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Just so you know, even the mid - level ESL students that I tutor could easily understand the gist of the points made...
*You* could not even pass a basic TABE...
--
Best
Greg
dsi1
Apr 11, 2020, 9:53:10 PM4/11/20
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Comprende?
U.S. Janet B.
Apr 11, 2020, 10:01:13 PM4/11/20
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a shortage of food. There ought to be a way to cross over to avoid
the downside.
Janet US
graham
Apr 11, 2020, 10:08:40 PM4/11/20
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dsi1
Apr 11, 2020, 10:48:14 PM4/11/20
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Ed Pawlowski
Apr 11, 2020, 11:13:05 PM4/11/20
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On 4/11/2020 7:55 PM, GM wrote:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html
>
> Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the Pandemic
>
> With restaurants, hotels and schools closed, many of the nation’s largest farms are destroying millions of pounds of fresh goods that they can no longer sell
>
> By David Yaffe-Bellany and Michael Corkery
> April 11, 2020, 10:13 a.m. ET
>
>
> "In Wisconsin and Ohio, farmers are dumping thousands of gallons of fresh milk into lagoons and manure pits. An Idaho farmer has dug huge ditches to bury 1 million pounds of onions. And in South Florida, a region that supplies much of the Eastern half of the United States with produce, tractors are crisscrossing bean and cabbage fields, plowing perfectly ripe vegetables back into the soil.
>
> After weeks of concern about shortages in grocery stores and mad scrambles to find the last box of pasta or toilet paper roll, many of the nation’s largest farms are struggling with another ghastly effect of the pandemic. They are being forced to destroy tens of millions of pounds of fresh food that they can no longer sell.
>
> The closing of restaurants, hotels and schools has left some farmers with no buyers for more than half their crops. And even as retailers see spikes in food sales to Americans who are now eating nearly every meal at home, the increases are not enough to absorb all of the perishable food that was planted weeks ago and intended for schools and businesses.
>
> The amount of waste is staggering. The nation’s largest dairy cooperative, Dairy Farmers of America, estimates that farmers are dumping as many as 3.7 million gallons of milk each day. A single chicken processor is smashing 750,000 unhatched eggs every week.
>
> Many farmers say they have donated part of the surplus to food banks and Meals on Wheels programs, which have been overwhelmed with demand. But there is only so much perishable food that charities with limited numbers of refrigerators and volunteers can absorb.
>
I see where towns are distributing breakfast and lunch for school kids.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html
>
> Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the Pandemic
>
> With restaurants, hotels and schools closed, many of the nation’s largest farms are destroying millions of pounds of fresh goods that they can no longer sell
>
> By David Yaffe-Bellany and Michael Corkery
> April 11, 2020, 10:13 a.m. ET
>
>
> "In Wisconsin and Ohio, farmers are dumping thousands of gallons of fresh milk into lagoons and manure pits. An Idaho farmer has dug huge ditches to bury 1 million pounds of onions. And in South Florida, a region that supplies much of the Eastern half of the United States with produce, tractors are crisscrossing bean and cabbage fields, plowing perfectly ripe vegetables back into the soil.
>
> After weeks of concern about shortages in grocery stores and mad scrambles to find the last box of pasta or toilet paper roll, many of the nation’s largest farms are struggling with another ghastly effect of the pandemic. They are being forced to destroy tens of millions of pounds of fresh food that they can no longer sell.
>
> The closing of restaurants, hotels and schools has left some farmers with no buyers for more than half their crops. And even as retailers see spikes in food sales to Americans who are now eating nearly every meal at home, the increases are not enough to absorb all of the perishable food that was planted weeks ago and intended for schools and businesses.
>
> The amount of waste is staggering. The nation’s largest dairy cooperative, Dairy Farmers of America, estimates that farmers are dumping as many as 3.7 million gallons of milk each day. A single chicken processor is smashing 750,000 unhatched eggs every week.
>
> Many farmers say they have donated part of the surplus to food banks and Meals on Wheels programs, which have been overwhelmed with demand. But there is only so much perishable food that charities with limited numbers of refrigerators and volunteers can absorb.
>
Problem is, it is all prepacked crap, not fresh food or milk.
Sad that people are starving while food is tossed.
I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
$50,000 SUV to go get free food.
graham
Apr 11, 2020, 11:55:19 PM4/11/20
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On 2020-04-11 9:13 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I see where towns are distributing breakfast and lunch for school kids.
> Problem is, it is all prepacked crap, not fresh food or milk.
>
> Sad that people are starving while food is tossed.
>
> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
And, as you say, you don't know their circumstances.
>
> I see where towns are distributing breakfast and lunch for school kids.
> Problem is, it is all prepacked crap, not fresh food or milk.
>
> Sad that people are starving while food is tossed.
>
> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
U.S. Janet B.
Apr 12, 2020, 1:26:15 AM4/12/20
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incomes in that family and there isn't money for mortgage/rent, car
payments etc. Food is the first thing that is cut back to meet those
payments. Free food looks pretty darn good then even if it is all
canned or packaged.
Janet US
dsi1
Apr 12, 2020, 2:36:41 AM4/12/20
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My guess is that all this is going to run at least 3 or 4 months more. Things are going to be a lot different when it's all over. My recommendation to the chump is that he not bail out his rich pals and cronies in crime. That's a scary, radical, idea, but my guess is that America will be better for it. The rich guys are going to insist that we cannot afford to do it. I say "screw 'em all."
Dave Smith
Apr 12, 2020, 9:57:32 AM4/12/20
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On 2020-04-11 11:13 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
My brother, who is not at all religious, helped out at a Christmas
> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
season dinner for the needy. He went out for a cigarette and 4 women
were out there, also smoking, and were contacting a cab company to get a
taxi to take them to Bingo in another town about 15 miles away.
As for the cars.... if they already have the cars that is their
transportation. It's not like they can sell them for food money. They
may owe more than they can get for them when everyone decides to dump
them, or they could be leased,
Ed Pawlowski
Apr 12, 2020, 10:40:17 AM4/12/20
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needed or not. I see a lot of people driving older cars because that is
all they can afford that need help, yet they are not in the line. Maybe
the news camera could have done better with what they showed.
Perhaps one of the lessons to be learned with this is to put a few bucks
away instead of taking a fancy vacation.
graham
Apr 12, 2020, 10:48:25 AM4/12/20
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tax cuts for companies and the wealthy as a recipe for getting the US
back on its feet.
U.S. Janet B.
Apr 12, 2020, 11:22:07 AM4/12/20
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:36:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
>It is estimated that 50 to 75 percent of Americans are living paycheck. From the looks of the businesses that are closed, a whole shitload of Americans are not getting a paycheck. It is likely that the mortgage companies will be allowing mortgage forbearance for a couple of payments - actually, they got no choice in the matter.
>
>My guess is that all this is going to run at least 3 or 4 months more. Things are going to be a lot different when it's all over. My recommendation to the chump is that he not bail out his rich pals and cronies in crime. That's a scary, radical, idea, but my guess is that America will be better for it. The rich guys are going to insist that we cannot afford to do it. I say "screw 'em all."
yes!
<dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote:
>
>It is estimated that 50 to 75 percent of Americans are living paycheck. From the looks of the businesses that are closed, a whole shitload of Americans are not getting a paycheck. It is likely that the mortgage companies will be allowing mortgage forbearance for a couple of payments - actually, they got no choice in the matter.
>
>My guess is that all this is going to run at least 3 or 4 months more. Things are going to be a lot different when it's all over. My recommendation to the chump is that he not bail out his rich pals and cronies in crime. That's a scary, radical, idea, but my guess is that America will be better for it. The rich guys are going to insist that we cannot afford to do it. I say "screw 'em all."
Gary
Apr 12, 2020, 11:25:41 AM4/12/20
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
Free food attracts vultures. The truly poor don't have cars to
> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
drive to the handout areas. Screw them. The free food makes
some feel good though.
How come we never hear about the need for free lunches
"for the children" during our annual summer vacations?
leno...@yahoo.com
Apr 12, 2020, 11:27:39 AM4/12/20
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I'm in a rush right now, so maybe this already got mentioned and I didn't see it. But...
"Our Food Supply Cannot Afford This Economic Shutdown"
https://victorygirlsblog.com/our-food-supply-cannot-afford-this-economic-shutdown/
(Mind you, I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion. After all, we also need to keep the death rate as low as possible.)
At the end:
...Meanwhile food prices have already gone up in the stores, while the selling prices from farmers and ranchers are dropping like a rock. This is not sustainable for our farmers and ranchers, nor for the rest of us.
Do you want food on your table? Of course you do. In that case, we need to get VERY realistic and be prepared to take a big calculated risk.
We need to reopen our economy NOW or our food supply will crater even more. Ranchers and farmers will go out of business, and food prices will skyrocket. Do you want that? I didn’t think so.
(end)
Lenona.
"Our Food Supply Cannot Afford This Economic Shutdown"
https://victorygirlsblog.com/our-food-supply-cannot-afford-this-economic-shutdown/
(Mind you, I don't necessarily agree with the conclusion. After all, we also need to keep the death rate as low as possible.)
At the end:
...Meanwhile food prices have already gone up in the stores, while the selling prices from farmers and ranchers are dropping like a rock. This is not sustainable for our farmers and ranchers, nor for the rest of us.
Do you want food on your table? Of course you do. In that case, we need to get VERY realistic and be prepared to take a big calculated risk.
We need to reopen our economy NOW or our food supply will crater even more. Ranchers and farmers will go out of business, and food prices will skyrocket. Do you want that? I didn’t think so.
(end)
Lenona.
graham
Apr 12, 2020, 11:28:29 AM4/12/20
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On 2020-04-12 9:25 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
>> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
>> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
>> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
>
> Free food attracts vultures. The truly poor don't have cars to
> drive to the handout areas. Screw them. The free food makes
> some feel good though.
>
So let's stop providing and let the poor starve, shall we?
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
>> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
>> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
>> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
>
> Free food attracts vultures. The truly poor don't have cars to
> drive to the handout areas. Screw them. The free food makes
> some feel good though.
>
graham
Apr 12, 2020, 11:31:50 AM4/12/20
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persuades right-wing, knuckle-dragging legislators to cut welfare to
those who genuinely need it.
Dave Smith
Apr 12, 2020, 11:36:12 AM4/12/20
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the pandemic could be much higher than the cost of shutting down the
economy for a few weeks. Some places have managed to get some control
over the virus. It is running wild in others.
Cindy Hamilton
Apr 12, 2020, 11:48:54 AM4/12/20
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<https://www.feedingamerica.org/take-action/advocate/federal-hunger-relief-programs/summer-food>
<https://www.nokidhungry.org/what-we-do/summer-lunch-program>
<https://www.businessinsider.com/free-school-lunch-kids-summer-hunger-2019-5>
I figure 3 of the "About 51,400,000 results" that google turned up should
do us.
Cindy Hamilton
Sheldon Martin
Apr 12, 2020, 1:03:54 PM4/12/20
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>On 4/12/2020 Dave Smith wrote:
Regardless of one's dollars the thing to learn is to maintain a full
pantry at all times. People were in the free food line not due to
lack of money, the stores may have empty shelves. The shelves in the
stores here are not as barren as they were a couple weeks ago but
they're still not nearly as well stocked as normal... lots of items
are still missing, the OTC drugs aisle is pretty much empty. The
produce section is very lacking as most produce this time of year is
shipped in from warmer climes. The meat department is pretty much
full with locally raised meats but yoose bacon addicts would be
hurting... you'd need to visit a farm that cures/smokes their own but
you'd not like their prices. What good is a $50,000+ auto and a full
wallet when there's little to buy from the usual stores... the free
food pantry is likely better stocked, albiet rationed.
>On 4/12/2020 Dave Smith wrote:
pantry at all times. People were in the free food line not due to
lack of money, the stores may have empty shelves. The shelves in the
stores here are not as barren as they were a couple weeks ago but
they're still not nearly as well stocked as normal... lots of items
are still missing, the OTC drugs aisle is pretty much empty. The
produce section is very lacking as most produce this time of year is
shipped in from warmer climes. The meat department is pretty much
full with locally raised meats but yoose bacon addicts would be
hurting... you'd need to visit a farm that cures/smokes their own but
you'd not like their prices. What good is a $50,000+ auto and a full
wallet when there's little to buy from the usual stores... the free
food pantry is likely better stocked, albiet rationed.
Sheldon Martin
Apr 12, 2020, 1:21:27 PM4/12/20
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certainly can afford lunches.
Sheldon Martin
Apr 12, 2020, 1:37:31 PM4/12/20
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sweeping city streets. At ten years old I was painting stoops, $25 a
stoop was a good day's pay in 1953.
graham
Apr 12, 2020, 1:40:36 PM4/12/20
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U.S. Janet B.
Apr 12, 2020, 2:17:37 PM4/12/20
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U.S. Janet B.
Apr 12, 2020, 2:23:39 PM4/12/20
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excesses and --- oh, never mind. I just can't even come up with a
coherent thought about him and this pandemic
So many dead and ill needlessly.
Next time you vote, be sure to vote for someone who has empathy, a
sincere will to govern wisely and a thought for others.
Janet US
graham
Apr 12, 2020, 2:31:46 PM4/12/20
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see that benefit as a form of welfare - which it is!
S Viemeister
Apr 12, 2020, 2:32:34 PM4/12/20
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Bruce
Apr 12, 2020, 2:40:10 PM4/12/20
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hang-up with communal expenses -like welfare or healthcare- except for
the military :)
dsi1
Apr 12, 2020, 2:41:15 PM4/12/20
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH-wCe5oAv8
Dave Smith
Apr 12, 2020, 3:04:09 PM4/12/20
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issue that there are a lot of people who can't be bothered working and
will gladly live off the efforts of others. I have no issue with
chipping in to help those who are in need, like the physically and
mentally disabled and those who have fallen on hard times.
I have known too many people who are just sponges. I have mentioned
Cheap Bob in here often enough. The guy never worked any longer than he
had to in order to qualify for unemployment benefits, and he never
bothered to find work until those benefits ran out. Then he would go out
and get a job and keep that until he qualified for the dole.
Then there was the Brown family, a chronic welfare family. They had all
the angles covered. The father was able to work, but he sabotaged every
job he managed to get. He preferred to stay home and master the computer
skills that he would never use to make money. They even split up so that
they could each collect welfare. This was close to 30 years ago when
computers were very pricey. Everyone in the family had their own
computer. The mother had a laptop. The youngest daughter went on student
welfare because she could not bear to live with her parents. Yet, she
spent all her spare time there and never went to school. The other
daughter went to college to take a course on social work. She
intentionally got pregnant part at the beginning of the year, knowing
that she would not be able to complete the first year and would not be
able to start back at the beginning of the next year. No problem....
she moved out and went on welfare.
There are a lot of people who really do need help. Unfortunately,
people like these spoil it for everyone. They are the type who are out
there actively reinforcing the stereotype.
Dave Smith
Apr 12, 2020, 5:34:14 PM4/12/20
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on welfare, or that they are people who become welfare dependent,
sometimes across generations? Maybe they just never grasped the idea
that people should at least try to support themselves. Sometimes people
just don't know any better.
GM
Apr 12, 2020, 6:46:09 PM4/12/20
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There is also apparently a *huge* amount of waste with these free food programs, much is simply dumped...
Unfortunately, the government has taken on the task of feeding school kids, something which the *parents* should be doing as a matter of course if they are financially able...most of these students come from poor families that receive *hundreds* in food aid per *week* (SNAP, WIC...), and much of that is spent on pop, snacks, junk food - or often the SNAP benefits are *bartered* for cash, drugs, alcohol, hair cuts, cig money, etc....
Another example of a failed "Great Society" program that has run amuck and created still *more* dependency...it kills individual initiative and enables a "WHERE's my CHECK!?" attitude...
I've no issues with peeps receiving food *if* they really need it, but the SNAP program especially is rife with waste and fraud. At the very least anyone using a SNAP card should provide valid ID on purchase, and only nutritious foods allowed for purchase (something the WIC program successfully does)...
Or course, Democrats *love* having a dependent class that they can gin for political gain. If I were a minority, I'd sure HATE living on that political "plantation", this system is every bit as evil as slavery was...it is very patronizing.
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Greg
GM
Apr 12, 2020, 6:55:22 PM4/12/20
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And yes, the *able - bodied/minded* poor should be ***absolutely*** required to do something to earn their "free stuff"...they should strive to emulate their betters who actually are doing something with their lives...
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Greg
GM
Apr 12, 2020, 6:58:36 PM4/12/20
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:-D
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Greg
Bruce
Apr 12, 2020, 7:05:06 PM4/12/20
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:55:18 -0700 (PDT), GM
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>graham wrote:
>
>> On 2020-04-12 9:25 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
>> >> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
>> >> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
>> >> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
>> >
>> > Free food attracts vultures. The truly poor don't have cars to
>> > drive to the handout areas. Screw them. The free food makes
>> > some feel good though.
>> >
>> So let's stop providing and let the poor starve, shall we?
>
>
>It is an absolute *fact* that the vast majority of US poor eat far better than the kings and queens of old...even the street homeless eat very well, many spend their entire existence going from place to place eating free and nutritious - and in some cases, restaurant - quality - meals...I know whereof I speak because I've done much poverty volunteering over the years, I could write several tomes on the subject!
Isn't it a beautiful country? Just a bit strange that American blacks
<gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>graham wrote:
>
>> On 2020-04-12 9:25 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
>> >> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
>> >> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
>> >> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
>> >
>> > Free food attracts vultures. The truly poor don't have cars to
>> > drive to the handout areas. Screw them. The free food makes
>> > some feel good though.
>> >
>> So let's stop providing and let the poor starve, shall we?
>
>
>It is an absolute *fact* that the vast majority of US poor eat far better than the kings and queens of old...even the street homeless eat very well, many spend their entire existence going from place to place eating free and nutritious - and in some cases, restaurant - quality - meals...I know whereof I speak because I've done much poverty volunteering over the years, I could write several tomes on the subject!
are dying in much bigger numbers from corona virus than whites,
because they can't afford good healthcare.
Bruce
Apr 12, 2020, 7:05:47 PM4/12/20
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GM
Apr 12, 2020, 7:08:09 PM4/12/20
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Greg
GM
Apr 12, 2020, 7:15:48 PM4/12/20
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And here is a very successful program in Chicago that puts the needy to exactly what Sheldon mentioned, sweeping the streets; this jobs program is successful because it holds participants to high standards of accountability:
https://carachicago.org/recruitment/
https://cleanslatechicago.org/
"We do much more than just clean
Cleanslaters always come with their sleeves rolled up
For more than a decade, Cleanslate has provided Chicagoland businesses and communities with professional litter abatement, graffiti removal, power washing, snow removal, and landscaping. We even install and maintain street furniture. No matter what the assignment, you can count on Cleanslate to bring the skills, experience, and a ready-to-work attitude to your job..."
</>
Sheldon Martin
Apr 12, 2020, 7:29:22 PM4/12/20
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the best doctors... but it's because they choose not to practice a
healthful life style... they tend to live in poor and crowded
circumstances, and mostly subsist on fast food and are addicted to
substances that are not condusive to healthy living.
Bruthie is the typical stupid faggot.
Bruce
Apr 12, 2020, 7:55:14 PM4/12/20
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right-wing theory.
GM
Apr 12, 2020, 8:02:47 PM4/12/20
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Our idjit Mayor and Guv'nor have blamed "systemic racism" for the fact that some 70% of chinese flu victims in Chicago are minority. But yes, all of these poor folk have access to good - to - excellent healthcare, all for free. Poor health/self - care practices are rife, most all those blacks that have passed suffer severe and numerous co - morbidities...the virus was just enuf to "tip the scales" in favor of The Grim Reaper...
Also mentioned was the old "food desert" shibboleth. If there were a need for fresh and healthy food in these communities, then the market would step in to provide, but only a few in these communities practice healthy eating habits, so it is primarily corner store junk on offer as that is what the community prefers...OTOH there is a variety of fresh stuff sold in lower - income Latino and Asian nabes here, many community gardens even...
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Greg
Bruce
Apr 12, 2020, 8:21:46 PM4/12/20
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:02:43 -0700 (PDT), GM
Yeah, that was hilarious, wasn't it? (If you're 10 years old.)
>Our idjit Mayor and Guv'nor have blamed "systemic racism" for the fact that some 70% of chinese flu victims in Chicago are minority. But yes, all of these poor folk have access to good - to - excellent healthcare, all for free. Poor health/self - care practices are rife, most all those blacks that have passed suffer severe and numerous co - morbidities...the virus was just enuf to "tip the scales" in favor of The Grim Reaper...
>
>Also mentioned was the old "food desert" shibboleth. If there were a need for fresh and healthy food in these communities, then the market would step in to provide, but only a few in these communities practice healthy eating habits, so it is primarily corner store junk on offer as that is what the community prefers...OTOH there is a variety of fresh stuff sold in lower - income Latino and Asian nabes here, many community gardens even...
"A history of systemic racism and inequity in access to health care
and economic opportunity has made many African-Americans far more
vulnerable to the virus. Black adults suffer from higher rates of
obesity, diabetes and asthma, which make them more susceptible, and
also are more likely to be uninsured. They also often report that
medical professionals take their ailments less seriously when they
seek treatment."
https://globalnews.ca/news/6799322/coronavirus-black-americans/
>Our idjit Mayor and Guv'nor have blamed "systemic racism" for the fact that some 70% of chinese flu victims in Chicago are minority. But yes, all of these poor folk have access to good - to - excellent healthcare, all for free. Poor health/self - care practices are rife, most all those blacks that have passed suffer severe and numerous co - morbidities...the virus was just enuf to "tip the scales" in favor of The Grim Reaper...
>
>Also mentioned was the old "food desert" shibboleth. If there were a need for fresh and healthy food in these communities, then the market would step in to provide, but only a few in these communities practice healthy eating habits, so it is primarily corner store junk on offer as that is what the community prefers...OTOH there is a variety of fresh stuff sold in lower - income Latino and Asian nabes here, many community gardens even...
and economic opportunity has made many African-Americans far more
vulnerable to the virus. Black adults suffer from higher rates of
obesity, diabetes and asthma, which make them more susceptible, and
also are more likely to be uninsured. They also often report that
medical professionals take their ailments less seriously when they
seek treatment."
https://globalnews.ca/news/6799322/coronavirus-black-americans/
Ed Pawlowski
Apr 12, 2020, 8:57:23 PM4/12/20
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52245690
Then you have this:
In countries around the world we are seeing essential and service
workers, often with low incomes, in the line of Covid-19's fire. In the
US, "low income" disproportionately means "black" or "brown".
But then Clarionta said something surprising.
"First I heard black people weren't affected by the coronavirus. I mean
there aren't really black people in China and when it started here it
was a lot of other races affected."
This was not just misinformation in New Orleans but was widespread in
communities across the country.
In mid-March, Atlanta rapper Waka Flocka appeared on a radio show and
said: "Minorities can't catch coronavirus. Name one. It doesn't touch
them soul food folks."
Bruce
Apr 12, 2020, 9:10:37 PM4/12/20
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:57:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.xxx> wrote:
>That may be part of it as well as living in tighter spaces.
>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52245690
>Then you have this:
>In countries around the world we are seeing essential and service
>workers, often with low incomes, in the line of Covid-19's fire. In the
>US, "low income" disproportionately means "black" or "brown".
>
>But then Clarionta said something surprising.
>
>"First I heard black people weren't affected by the coronavirus. I mean
>there aren't really black people in China and when it started here it
>was a lot of other races affected."
>
>This was not just misinformation in New Orleans but was widespread in
>communities across the country.
>
>In mid-March, Atlanta rapper Waka Flocka appeared on a radio show and
>said: "Minorities can't catch coronavirus. Name one. It doesn't touch
>them soul food folks."
I think each country has their share of idiots. Russians are told that
>That may be part of it as well as living in tighter spaces.
>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52245690
>Then you have this:
>In countries around the world we are seeing essential and service
>workers, often with low incomes, in the line of Covid-19's fire. In the
>US, "low income" disproportionately means "black" or "brown".
>
>But then Clarionta said something surprising.
>
>"First I heard black people weren't affected by the coronavirus. I mean
>there aren't really black people in China and when it started here it
>was a lot of other races affected."
>
>This was not just misinformation in New Orleans but was widespread in
>communities across the country.
>
>In mid-March, Atlanta rapper Waka Flocka appeared on a radio show and
>said: "Minorities can't catch coronavirus. Name one. It doesn't touch
>them soul food folks."
the "Russian strain of COVID-19" only causes an innocent flu.
In the Netherlands, a singer was proclaiming that the virus could be
fought with love, so people had to hug and kiss more.
Leo
Apr 12, 2020, 11:47:51 PM4/12/20
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On 2020 Apr 12, , Bruce wrote
(in article<lh779f9os7vapc0dq...@4ax.com>):
> Isn't it a beautiful country? Just a bit strange that American blacks
> are dying in much bigger numbers from corona virus than whites,
> because they can't afford good healthcare.
Speaking of injustice, how are the original Australians doing where you
live? I don’t see good reviews on the Net. Enlighten me. Surely, it’s
all kumbaya down under. Otherwise, your posts are disingenuous to put it
mildly.
leo
(in article<lh779f9os7vapc0dq...@4ax.com>):
> Isn't it a beautiful country? Just a bit strange that American blacks
> are dying in much bigger numbers from corona virus than whites,
> because they can't afford good healthcare.
live? I don’t see good reviews on the Net. Enlighten me. Surely, it’s
all kumbaya down under. Otherwise, your posts are disingenuous to put it
mildly.
leo
Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 12:48:15 AM4/13/20
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:47:45 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Greg Sorrow always pretends that the US is the land of milk and honey.
I pointed out -as if there was a need for that- that it's not.
So far, there are 61 corona deaths in Australia. I don't think there
are Aborigines among them. But that's not the point. I'm not
pretending everything in Australia's good and beautiful.
wrote:
I pointed out -as if there was a need for that- that it's not.
So far, there are 61 corona deaths in Australia. I don't think there
are Aborigines among them. But that's not the point. I'm not
pretending everything in Australia's good and beautiful.
Julie Bove
Apr 13, 2020, 12:52:10 AM4/13/20
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"GM" <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html
Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the Pandemic
With restaurants, hotels and schools closed, many of the nation’s largest
farms are destroying millions of pounds of fresh goods that they can no
longer sell
By David Yaffe-Bellany and Michael Corkery
April 11, 2020, 10:13 a.m. ET
"In Wisconsin and Ohio, farmers are dumping thousands of gallons of fresh
milk into lagoons and manure pits. An Idaho farmer has dug huge ditches to
bury 1 million pounds of onions. And in South Florida, a region that
supplies much of the Eastern half of the United States with produce,
tractors are crisscrossing bean and cabbage fields, plowing perfectly ripe
vegetables back into the soil.
After weeks of concern about shortages in grocery stores and mad scrambles
to find the last box of pasta or toilet paper roll, many of the nation’s
largest farms are struggling with another ghastly effect of the pandemic.
They are being forced to destroy tens of millions of pounds of fresh food
that they can no longer sell.
The closing of restaurants, hotels and schools has left some farmers with no
buyers for more than half their crops. And even as retailers see spikes in
food sales to Americans who are now eating nearly every meal at home, the
increases are not enough to absorb all of the perishable food that was
planted weeks ago and intended for schools and businesses.
The amount of waste is staggering. The nation’s largest dairy cooperative,
Dairy Farmers of America, estimates that farmers are dumping as many as 3.7
million gallons of milk each day. A single chicken processor is smashing
750,000 unhatched eggs every week.
Many farmers say they have donated part of the surplus to food banks and
Meals on Wheels programs, which have been overwhelmed with demand. But there
is only so much perishable food that charities with limited numbers of
refrigerators and volunteers can absorb.
And the costs of harvesting, processing and then transporting produce and
milk to food banks or other areas of need would put further financial strain
on farms that have seen half their paying customers disappear. Exporting
much of the excess food is not feasible either, farmers say, because many
international customers are also struggling through the pandemic and recent
currency fluctuations make exports unprofitable.
“It’s heartbreaking,” said Paul Allen, co-owner of R.C. Hatton, who has had
to destroy millions of pounds of beans and cabbage at his farms in South
Florida and Georgia.
The widespread destruction of fresh food — at a time when many Americans are
hurting financially and millions are suddenly out of work — is an especially
dystopian turn of events, even by the standards of a global pandemic. It
reflects the profound economic uncertainty wrought by the virus and how
difficult it has been for huge sectors of the economy, like agriculture, to
adjust to such a sudden change in how they must operate.
Even as Mr. Allen and other farmers have been plowing fresh vegetables into
the soil, they have had to plant the same crop again, hoping the economy
will have restarted by the time the next batch of vegetables is ready to
harvest. But if the food service industry remains closed, then those crops,
too, may have to be destroyed.
Farmers are also learning in real time about the nation’s consumption
habits.
The quarantines have shown just how many more vegetables Americans eat when
meals are prepared for them in restaurants than when they have to cook for
themselves.
“People don’t make onion rings at home,” said Shay Myers, a third-generation
onion farmer whose fields straddle the border of Oregon and Idaho.
Mr. Myers said there were no good solutions to the fresh food glut. After
his largest customer — the restaurant industry — shut down in California and
New York, his farm started redistributing onions from 50-pound sacks into
smaller bags that could be sold in grocery stores. He also started freezing
some onions, but he has limited cold-storage capacity.
With few other options, Mr. Myers has begun burying tens of thousands of
pounds of onions and leaving them to decompose in trenches.
“There is no way to redistribute the quantities that we are talking about,”
he said.
Over the decades, the nation’s food banks have tried to shift from offering
mostly processed meals to serving fresh produce, as well. But the pandemic
has caused a shortage of volunteers, making it more difficult to serve
fruits and vegetables, which are time-consuming and expensive to transport.
“To purchase from a whole new set of farmers and suppliers — it takes time,
it takes knowledge, you have to find the people, develop the contracts,”
said Janet Poppendieck, an expert on poverty and food assistance.
The waste has become especially severe in the dairy industry, where cows
need to be milked multiple times a day, regardless of whether there are
buyers.
Major consumers of dairy, like public schools and coffee shops, have all but
vanished, leaving milk processing plants with fewer customers at a time of
year when cows produce milk at their fastest rate. About 5 percent of the
country’s milk supply is currently being dumped and that amount is expected
to double if the closings are extended over the next few months, according
to the International Dairy Foods Association.
Before the pandemic, the Dairymens processing plant in Cleveland would
produce three loads of milk, or around 13,500 gallons, for Starbucks every
day. Now the Starbucks order is down to one load every three days.
For a while after the pandemic took hold, the plant collected twice as much
milk from farmers as it could process, keeping the excess supply in
refrigerated trailers, said Brian Funk, who works for Dairymens as a liaison
to farmers.
But eventually the plant ran out of storage. One night last week, Mr. Funk
worked until 11 p.m., fighting back tears as he called farmers who supply
the plant to explain the predicament.
“We’re not going to pick your milk up tomorrow,” he told them. “We don’t
have any place to put it.”
One of the farms that got the call was the Hartschuh Dairy Farm, which has
nearly 200 cows on a plot of land in northern Ohio.
A week ago, Rose Hartschuh, who runs the farm with her family, watched her
father-in-law flush 31,000 pounds of milk into a lagoon. It took more than
an hour for the milk to flow out of its refrigerated tank and down the drain
pipe.
For years, dairy farmers have struggled with low prices and bankruptcies.
“This is one more blow below the belt,” Ms. Hartschuh said.
To prevent further dumping, farming groups are trying everything to find
places to send the excess milk — even lobbying pizza chains to increase the
amount of cheese on every slice.
But there are logistical obstacles that prevent dairy products from being
shifted neatly from food service customers to retailers.
At many dairy processors, for example, the machinery is designed to package
shredded cheese in large bags for restaurants or place milk in small cartons
for schools, rather than arrange the products in retail-friendly containers.
To repurpose those plants to put cheese in the 8 oz. bags that sell in
grocery stores or bottle milk in gallon jugs would require millions of
dollars in investment. For now, some processors have concluded that spending
the money isn’t worth it.
“It isn’t like restaurant demand has disappeared forever,” said Matt Gould,
a dairy industry analyst. “Even if it were possible to re-format to make it
an 8-ounce package rather than a 20-pound bag, the dollars and cents may not
pan out.”
Those same logistical challenges are bedeviling poultry plants that were set
up to distribute chicken to restaurants rather than stores. Each week, the
chicken processor Sanderson Farms destroys 750,000 unhatched eggs, or 5.5
percent of its total production, sending them to a rendering plant to be
turned into pet food.
Last week, the chief executive of Sanderson Farms, Joe Sanderson, told
analysts that company officials had even considered euthanizing chickens to
avoid selling them at unprofitable rates, though the company ultimately did
not take that step.
In recent days, Sanderson Farms has donated some of its chicken to food
banks and organizations that cook meals for emergency medical workers. But
hatching hundreds of thousands of eggs for the purpose of charity is not a
viable option, said Mike Cockrell, the company’s chief financial officer.
“We’re set up to sell that chicken,” Mr. Cockrell said. “That would be an
expensive proposition...”
</>
David Yaffe-Bellany reports on the food industry and general business news.
He graduated from Yale University and previously reported in Texas, Ohio and
Connecticut. @yaffebellany
Michael Corkery is a business reporter who covers the retail industry and
its impact on consumers, workers and the economy. He joined The Times in
2014 and was previously a reporter at the Wall Street Journal and the
Providence Journal. @mcorkery5
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The food banks here don't have enough food. You would think they could find
a way to get a least some of that food to the needy!
Julie Bove
Apr 13, 2020, 1:24:20 AM4/13/20
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"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message
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> Problem is, it is all prepacked crap, not fresh food or milk.
>
> Sad that people are starving while food is tossed.
>
> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
It's bad here as so many people are out of work and the stores still have
> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
shortages on many things.And there is price gouging! I am spending far more
on food than usual because I'm buying far more processed food than usual.
Why? Things I normally buy are not there at all. Like beans, rice and baking
items. My baking cupboard is bare now save for a small amount of baking
soda, cocoa and two types of flour. I have more baking soda coming from
Amazon but I can't find baking powder anywhere in a reasonable amount. I
didn't use it up. I think J accidentally brushed his teeth with it,
mistaking it for soda.
Julie Bove
Apr 13, 2020, 1:26:59 AM4/13/20
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"U.S. Janet B." <J...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:2e959fltjrs6mohm6...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:55:15 -0600, graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>On 2020-04-11 9:13 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I see where towns are distributing breakfast and lunch for school kids.
>>> Problem is, it is all prepacked crap, not fresh food or milk.
>>>
>>> Sad that people are starving while food is tossed.
>>>
>>> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
>>> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
>>> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
>>> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
>>
>>And, as you say, you don't know their circumstances.
>>On 2020-04-11 9:13 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I see where towns are distributing breakfast and lunch for school kids.
>>> Problem is, it is all prepacked crap, not fresh food or milk.
>>>
>>> Sad that people are starving while food is tossed.
>>>
>>> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
>>> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
>>> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
>>> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
>>
>
> take away one income in a family and things get tough, take away both
> incomes in that family and there isn't money for mortgage/rent, car
> payments etc. Food is the first thing that is cut back to meet those
> payments. Free food looks pretty darn good then even if it is all
> canned or packaged.
> Janet US
Add in the many college students that had to go home. They already paid for
meal plans that they're not getting.
Julie Bove
Apr 13, 2020, 1:29:29 AM4/13/20
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"dsi1" <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in message
news:4c53ea96-9dea-47dd...@googlegroups.com...
On Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 7:26:15 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:55:15 -0600, graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >On 2020-04-11 9:13 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I see where towns are distributing breakfast and lunch for school kids.
> >> Problem is, it is all prepacked crap, not fresh food or milk.
> >>
> >> Sad that people are starving while food is tossed.
> >>
> >> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> >> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food
> >> in
> >> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> >> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
> >
> >And, as you say, you don't know their circumstances.
>
> take away one income in a family and things get tough, take away both
> incomes in that family and there isn't money for mortgage/rent, car
> payments etc. Food is the first thing that is cut back to meet those
> payments. Free food looks pretty darn good then even if it is all
> canned or packaged.
> Janet US
It is estimated that 50 to 75 percent of Americans are living paycheck. From
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:55:15 -0600, graham <g.st...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >On 2020-04-11 9:13 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I see where towns are distributing breakfast and lunch for school kids.
> >> Problem is, it is all prepacked crap, not fresh food or milk.
> >>
> >> Sad that people are starving while food is tossed.
> >>
> >> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> >> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food
> >> in
> >> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> >> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
> >
> >And, as you say, you don't know their circumstances.
>
> take away one income in a family and things get tough, take away both
> incomes in that family and there isn't money for mortgage/rent, car
> payments etc. Food is the first thing that is cut back to meet those
> payments. Free food looks pretty darn good then even if it is all
> canned or packaged.
> Janet US
the looks of the businesses that are closed, a whole shitload of Americans
are not getting a paycheck. It is likely that the mortgage companies will be
allowing mortgage forbearance for a couple of payments - actually, they got
no choice in the matter.
My guess is that all this is going to run at least 3 or 4 months more.
Things are going to be a lot different when it's all over. My recommendation
to the chump is that he not bail out his rich pals and cronies in crime.
That's a scary, radical, idea, but my guess is that America will be better
for it. The rich guys are going to insist that we cannot afford to do it. I
say "screw 'em all."
Most of the people I know are not getting a paycheck. Excepts being medical
people, some Boeing and Microsoft people and probably a few others here and
there that I've forgotten about.
Leo
Apr 13, 2020, 1:39:33 AM4/13/20
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On 2020 Apr 12, , Bruce wrote
(in article<hfr79f5e17mb4majd...@4ax.com>):
> So far, there are 61 corona deaths in Australia. I don't think there
> are Aborigines among them. But that's not the point. I'm not
> pretending everything in Australia's good and beautiful.
correct. I’m guessing that none of the covid deaths are in the Interior.
We have 19 deaths in my county of nearly a half million, so far. Race
isn’t a factor.
Statistics are accumulating incrementally along with real medicine.
Political maneuvering happens every day. Someday, we’re going to know
sh*t when medicine and stats catch up with the virus. Maybe even today, by
someone, somewhere.
leo
Julie Bove
Apr 13, 2020, 1:42:10 AM4/13/20
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"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.xxx> wrote in message
> On 4/12/2020 9:57 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-04-11 11:13 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
>>> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
>>> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
>>> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
>>> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
>>> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
>>> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
>>
>>
>> My brother, who is not at all religious, helped out at a Christmas season
>> dinner for the needy. He went out for a cigarette and 4 women were out
>> there, also smoking, and were contacting a cab company to get a taxi to
>> take them to Bingo in another town about 15 miles away.
>>
>> As for the cars.... if they already have the cars that is their
>> transportation. It's not like they can sell them for food money. They may
>> owe more than they can get for them when everyone decides to dump them,
>> or they could be leased,
>
> There will always be a few that take advantage and grab anything free,
> needed or not. I see a lot of people driving older cars because that is
> all they can afford that need help, yet they are not in the line. Maybe
> the news camera could have done better with what they showed.
>
> Perhaps one of the lessons to be learned with this is to put a few bucks
> away instead of taking a fancy vacation.
When I worked at I Mart, we did Christmas baskets for the needy one year. We
>> dinner for the needy. He went out for a cigarette and 4 women were out
>> there, also smoking, and were contacting a cab company to get a taxi to
>> take them to Bingo in another town about 15 miles away.
>>
>> As for the cars.... if they already have the cars that is their
>> transportation. It's not like they can sell them for food money. They may
>> owe more than they can get for them when everyone decides to dump them,
>> or they could be leased,
>
> There will always be a few that take advantage and grab anything free,
> needed or not. I see a lot of people driving older cars because that is
> all they can afford that need help, yet they are not in the line. Maybe
> the news camera could have done better with what they showed.
>
> Perhaps one of the lessons to be learned with this is to put a few bucks
> away instead of taking a fancy vacation.
used big laundry baskets to hold the stuff. It was not only food, but
laundry soap, cleaners, towels, socks, pet things and gifts for the kids. We
were given a list of families from a local church. Each basket was tailored
to each specific family. The store kicked in some of the stuff but much of
it was donated by workers and their friends and family.
The two women who made the deliveries were horrified to discover that every
house they delivered to (and they were all houses) were huge and high end
and the vehicles were all luxury. Of course we don't know the back story.
That same Christmas, my friend was pregnant. She also had a toddler. She was
working part time but her husband lost his job. They gave up their apartment
and temporarily moved into a motel. Not long after that, they had to give
that up too and wound up living for a time in the back of a gas station.
While they were in the motel, they got many baskets of food delivered, most
of which were beans. She complained because she hated beans. I offered to
buy them from her or swap for other food. She was fearful to do that.
Thought it wasn't allowed. She wound up donating them to the food bank.
Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 1:42:11 AM4/13/20
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:39:28 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>On 2020 Apr 12, , Bruce wrote
>(in article<hfr79f5e17mb4majd...@4ax.com>):
>
>> So far, there are 61 corona deaths in Australia. I don't think there
>> are Aborigines among them. But that's not the point. I'm not
>> pretending everything in Australia's good and beautiful.
>
>I would have said Aborigine, but I didn’t know if it was politically
>correct. I’m guessing that none of the covid deaths are in the Interior.
>We have 19 deaths in my county of nearly a half million, so far. Race
>isn’t a factor.
Google a bit and you'll see that race/ethnicity is an important
factor.
wrote:
>On 2020 Apr 12, , Bruce wrote
>(in article<hfr79f5e17mb4majd...@4ax.com>):
>
>> So far, there are 61 corona deaths in Australia. I don't think there
>> are Aborigines among them. But that's not the point. I'm not
>> pretending everything in Australia's good and beautiful.
>
>I would have said Aborigine, but I didn’t know if it was politically
>correct. I’m guessing that none of the covid deaths are in the Interior.
>We have 19 deaths in my county of nearly a half million, so far. Race
>isn’t a factor.
factor.
Leo
Apr 13, 2020, 2:47:56 AM4/13/20
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On 2020 Apr 12, , Bruce wrote
(in article<9ru79flpnvp5fpi8s...@4ax.com>):
> Google a bit and you'll see that race/ethnicity is an important
> factor.
what’s the point?
leo
Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 3:24:38 AM4/13/20
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On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 23:47:52 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
That's true, especially since we probably don't agree about what are
reliable sources.
Did you read that Fauci said the US was too late with their measures
against corona and that Trump now wants to fire him?
wrote:
reliable sources.
Did you read that Fauci said the US was too late with their measures
against corona and that Trump now wants to fire him?
Leo
Apr 13, 2020, 3:36:35 AM4/13/20
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On 2020 Apr 13, , Bruce wrote
(in article<6r489fd4bamojanvg...@4ax.com>):
> Did you read that Fauci said the US was too late with their measures
> against corona and that Trump now wants to fire him?
I haven’t seen/read that yet. Let’s see what happens. I’ll either be
behind the curve, or your source sucks, and you will still rely on the
innuendo.
leo
(in article<6r489fd4bamojanvg...@4ax.com>):
> Did you read that Fauci said the US was too late with their measures
> against corona and that Trump now wants to fire him?
behind the curve, or your source sucks, and you will still rely on the
innuendo.
leo
Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 4:07:50 AM4/13/20
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 00:36:30 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
"The president retweeted a post calling for the government’s top
infectious disease specialist to be fired after the doctor
acknowledged that shutting down the country earlier could have saved
lives."
<https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/trump-fauci-coronavirus.html>
Is the NY Times liberal? I need to find a right-wing source or you
won't believe it.
Is Fox News right-wing enough?
"President Trump sparked speculation about his relationship with the
country's top disease expert Sunday night after he retweeted a post
that called for the doctor's job."
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-retweets-firefauci-tweet-raising-speculation-of-a-frayed-relationship>
wrote:
infectious disease specialist to be fired after the doctor
acknowledged that shutting down the country earlier could have saved
lives."
<https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/trump-fauci-coronavirus.html>
Is the NY Times liberal? I need to find a right-wing source or you
won't believe it.
Is Fox News right-wing enough?
"President Trump sparked speculation about his relationship with the
country's top disease expert Sunday night after he retweeted a post
that called for the doctor's job."
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-retweets-firefauci-tweet-raising-speculation-of-a-frayed-relationship>
Ophelia
Apr 13, 2020, 4:52:33 AM4/13/20
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====
LOL well, no, I know it is not funny but it is really hard to envision
anyone thinking like that!!
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LOL well, no, I know it is not funny but it is really hard to envision
anyone thinking like that!!
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Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 4:59:11 AM4/13/20
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:47:32 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
wrote:
Yes, very hard. The guy was pretty much shredded in social media after
he said that :)
wrote:
he said that :)
Ophelia
Apr 13, 2020, 5:33:18 AM4/13/20
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"Bruce" wrote in message news:oca89f5l2lueo5mnq...@4ax.com...
====
No surprise there then!!
No surprise there then!!
Leo
Apr 13, 2020, 6:03:54 AM4/13/20
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On 2020 Apr 13, , Bruce wrote
(in article<q3789f5uo9qlldgbf...@4ax.com>):
> "The president retweeted a post calling for the government’s top
> infectious disease specialist to be fired after the doctor
> acknowledged that shutting down the country earlier could have saved
> lives."
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/trump-fauci-coronavirus.html>
>
> Is the NY Times liberal? I need to find a right-wing source or you
> won't believe it.
>
> Is Fox News right-wing enough?
> "President Trump sparked speculation about his relationship with the
> country's top disease expert Sunday night after he retweeted a post
> that called for the doctor's job."
> <https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-retweets-firefauci-tweet-raising-specu
> lation-of-a-frayed-relationship>
we’ll find out.
leo
Cindy Hamilton
Apr 13, 2020, 6:15:31 AM4/13/20
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On Sunday, April 12, 2020 at 7:05:06 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:55:18 -0700 (PDT), GM
> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >graham wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-04-12 9:25 a.m., Gary wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:55:18 -0700 (PDT), GM
> <gregorymorr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >graham wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-04-12 9:25 a.m., Gary wrote:
> >> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> >> >> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
> >> >> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> >> >> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
> >> >
> >> >> I should not judge as I don't know a person's circumstance. especially
> >> >> with layoffs, but the news tonight showed cars lined up for free food in
> >> >> one town. Every car is line was really rather nice. Just hop in the
> >> >> $50,000 SUV to go get free food.
> >> >
> >> > Free food attracts vultures. The truly poor don't have cars to
> >> > drive to the handout areas. Screw them. The free food makes
> >> > some feel good though.
> >> >
> >> So let's stop providing and let the poor starve, shall we?
> >
> >
> >It is an absolute *fact* that the vast majority of US poor eat far better than the kings and queens of old...even the street homeless eat very well, many spend their entire existence going from place to place eating free and nutritious - and in some cases, restaurant - quality - meals...I know whereof I speak because I've done much poverty volunteering over the years, I could write several tomes on the subject!
>
> >> > drive to the handout areas. Screw them. The free food makes
> >> > some feel good though.
> >> >
> >> So let's stop providing and let the poor starve, shall we?
> >
> >
> >It is an absolute *fact* that the vast majority of US poor eat far better than the kings and queens of old...even the street homeless eat very well, many spend their entire existence going from place to place eating free and nutritious - and in some cases, restaurant - quality - meals...I know whereof I speak because I've done much poverty volunteering over the years, I could write several tomes on the subject!
>
> Isn't it a beautiful country? Just a bit strange that American blacks
> are dying in much bigger numbers from corona virus than whites,
> because they can't afford good healthcare.
Not just that, but they also have more comorbidity factors.
> are dying in much bigger numbers from corona virus than whites,
> because they can't afford good healthcare.
I imagine that when coronavirus percolates into the rural poor, we'll
see similar outcomes among poor whites.
Cindy Hamilton
Cindy Hamilton
Apr 13, 2020, 6:20:19 AM4/13/20
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Fauci.
Fine. I'm sure Fauci will get plenty of air time and be able to pull
out all the stops when he doesn't have to defer to that thin-skinned
moron.
Cindy Hamilton
Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 6:30:47 AM4/13/20
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Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 6:31:37 AM4/13/20
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Cindy Hamilton
Apr 13, 2020, 7:02:35 AM4/13/20
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Cindy Hamilton
Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 7:06:57 AM4/13/20
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 03:03:49 -0700, Leo <leobla...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
Rule number one of dealing with a narcissist: DON'T criticise the
narcissist!
wrote:
narcissist!
cshenk
Apr 13, 2020, 7:00:50 PM4/13/20
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Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 7:11:12 PM4/13/20
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:00:42 -0500, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "dsi1" <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in message
>> news:4c53ea96-9dea-47dd...@googlegroups.com... On
>>
>Julie Bove wrote:
>
>>
>> "dsi1" <dsi...@hawaiiantel.net> wrote in message
>> news:4c53ea96-9dea-47dd...@googlegroups.com... On
>>
>> It is estimated that 50 to 75 percent of Americans are living
>> paycheck. From the looks of the businesses that are closed, a whole
>> shitload of Americans are not getting a paycheck. It is likely that
>> the mortgage companies will be allowing mortgage forbearance for a
>> couple of payments - actually, they got no choice in the matter.
>>
>> My guess is that all this is going to run at least 3 or 4 months
>> more. Things are going to be a lot different when it's all over. My
>> recommendation to the chump is that he not bail out his rich pals and
>> cronies in crime. That's a scary, radical, idea, but my guess is that
>> America will be better for it. The rich guys are going to insist that
>> we cannot afford to do it. I say "screw 'em all."
>>
>> Most of the people I know are not getting a paycheck. Excepts being
>> medical people, some Boeing and Microsoft people and probably a few
>> others here and there that I've forgotten about.
>
>Military and most affiliated with them (I'm a GS employee).
Goldman Sachs?
>> paycheck. From the looks of the businesses that are closed, a whole
>> shitload of Americans are not getting a paycheck. It is likely that
>> the mortgage companies will be allowing mortgage forbearance for a
>> couple of payments - actually, they got no choice in the matter.
>>
>> My guess is that all this is going to run at least 3 or 4 months
>> more. Things are going to be a lot different when it's all over. My
>> recommendation to the chump is that he not bail out his rich pals and
>> cronies in crime. That's a scary, radical, idea, but my guess is that
>> America will be better for it. The rich guys are going to insist that
>> we cannot afford to do it. I say "screw 'em all."
>>
>> Most of the people I know are not getting a paycheck. Excepts being
>> medical people, some Boeing and Microsoft people and probably a few
>> others here and there that I've forgotten about.
>
>Military and most affiliated with them (I'm a GS employee).
cshenk
Apr 13, 2020, 7:13:08 PM4/13/20
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southern black population is underlaying conditions. They run a much
higher percentage of obesity, diabetes, and high blood pressure.
Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 7:26:49 PM4/13/20
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 18:12:59 -0500, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>> news:oca89f5l2lueo5mnq...@4ax.com...
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:47:32 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "Bruce" wrote in message
>> > news:ase79fl4oa84s1vnu...@4ax.com...
>> >
>Ophelia wrote:
>
>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>> news:oca89f5l2lueo5mnq...@4ax.com...
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:47:32 +0100, "Ophelia" <oph...@elsinore.me.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "Bruce" wrote in message
>> > news:ase79fl4oa84s1vnu...@4ax.com...
>> >
>> > I think each country has their share of idiots. Russians are told
>> > that the "Russian strain of COVID-19" only causes an innocent flu.
>> >
>> > In the Netherlands, a singer was proclaiming that the virus could be
>> > fought with love, so people had to hug and kiss more.
>> >
>> > ====
>> >
>> > LOL well, no, I know it is not funny but it is really hard to
>> > envision anyone thinking like that!!
>>
>> Yes, very hard. The guy was pretty much shredded in social media after
>> he said that :)
>>
>> ====
>>
>> No surprise there then!!
>
>Just so you know, all the RFC rants aside, the problem with the
>southern black population is underlaying conditions. They run a much
>higher percentage of obesity, diabetes, and high blood pressure.
And why is that?
>> > that the "Russian strain of COVID-19" only causes an innocent flu.
>> >
>> > In the Netherlands, a singer was proclaiming that the virus could be
>> > fought with love, so people had to hug and kiss more.
>> >
>> > ====
>> >
>> > LOL well, no, I know it is not funny but it is really hard to
>> > envision anyone thinking like that!!
>>
>> Yes, very hard. The guy was pretty much shredded in social media after
>> he said that :)
>>
>> ====
>>
>> No surprise there then!!
>
>Just so you know, all the RFC rants aside, the problem with the
>southern black population is underlaying conditions. They run a much
>higher percentage of obesity, diabetes, and high blood pressure.
Hank Rogers
Apr 13, 2020, 9:07:18 PM4/13/20
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Ed Pawlowski
Apr 13, 2020, 10:01:08 PM4/13/20
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On 4/13/2020 7:26 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> LOL well, no, I know it is not funny but it is really hard to
>>>> envision anyone thinking like that!!
>>>
>>> Yes, very hard. The guy was pretty much shredded in social media after
>>> he said that :)
>>>
>>> ====
>>>
>>> No surprise there then!!
>>
>> Just so you know, all the RFC rants aside, the problem with the
>> southern black population is underlaying conditions. They run a much
>> higher percentage of obesity, diabetes, and high blood pressure.
>
> And why is that?
>
Why so many African-Americans have high blood pressure
>>>> LOL well, no, I know it is not funny but it is really hard to
>>>> envision anyone thinking like that!!
>>>
>>> Yes, very hard. The guy was pretty much shredded in social media after
>>> he said that :)
>>>
>>> ====
>>>
>>> No surprise there then!!
>>
>> Just so you know, all the RFC rants aside, the problem with the
>> southern black population is underlaying conditions. They run a much
>> higher percentage of obesity, diabetes, and high blood pressure.
>
> And why is that?
>
Theories include higher rates of obesity and diabetes among
African-Americans. Researchers have also found that there may be a gene
that makes African-Americans much more salt sensitive.
Bruce
Apr 13, 2020, 10:15:32 PM4/13/20
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they poorer and less educated?
graham
Apr 13, 2020, 10:24:57 PM4/13/20
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Hank Rogers
Apr 13, 2020, 10:56:59 PM4/13/20
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Ophelia
Apr 14, 2020, 4:27:28 AM4/14/20
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"cshenk" wrote in message
news:lsadnX_83uhmbAnD...@giganews.com...
===
Yes, I just read that.
news:lsadnX_83uhmbAnD...@giganews.com...
Yes, I just read that.
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 9:14:39 AM4/14/20
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Bruce wrote:
> >Military and most affiliated with them (I'm a GS employee).
>
> Goldman Sachs?
I've never heard anyone refer to themselves as a
> >Military and most affiliated with them (I'm a GS employee).
>
> Goldman Sachs?
"GS employee" but maybe they do that now.
All federal govt. workers (at least civilian) have a
GS rating. Stands for Grade Scale and is the standard
for the pay you earn. Up to GS-13 is for most.
GS14 and GS15 are known as "super grades" and only for
top dogs.
Also many GS grades have increments depending on time
with the govt. and/or promotions. Raises given within the same GS
rating.
There are also some GS16 and GS17 (maybe GS18 too?)
Those jobs are temporary and presidential appointed
jobs. Like the presidents cabinet members. Those jobs
only last as long as the current president.
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 9:39:05 AM4/14/20
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Julie Bove wrote:
> Add in the many college students that had to go home. They already paid for
> meal plans that they're not getting.
I'm familiar with those with my daugher attending UVA.
You pay for a meal plan each semester and they keep track
of each meal that you use.
Now that college has been suspended, any that go back once
the college opens again (probably next fall), should still
get credit for those lost meals. They do keep track of
each one.
If any student does not go back, they may or may not get
a refund on unused meals. That would be a college to college
decision.
> Add in the many college students that had to go home. They already paid for
> meal plans that they're not getting.
I'm familiar with those with my daugher attending UVA.
You pay for a meal plan each semester and they keep track
of each meal that you use.
Now that college has been suspended, any that go back once
the college opens again (probably next fall), should still
get credit for those lost meals. They do keep track of
each one.
If any student does not go back, they may or may not get
a refund on unused meals. That would be a college to college
decision.
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 9:43:30 AM4/14/20
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Perhaps one of the lessons to be learned with this is to put a few bucks
> away instead of taking a fancy vacation.
My vacations are always cheap (and safe) ones. :-D
> Perhaps one of the lessons to be learned with this is to put a few bucks
> away instead of taking a fancy vacation.
My vacations are always cheap (and safe) ones. :-D
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 9:44:06 AM4/14/20
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graham wrote:
> What's the betting that that fool in the White House will propose more
> tax cuts for companies and the wealthy as a recipe for getting the US
> back on its feet.
Those evil companies are also hurting during this economic
shutdown. Without a little support to keep them going, all
their employees who are laid off won't have a job to return
to.
> What's the betting that that fool in the White House will propose more
> tax cuts for companies and the wealthy as a recipe for getting the US
> back on its feet.
Those evil companies are also hurting during this economic
shutdown. Without a little support to keep them going, all
their employees who are laid off won't have a job to return
to.
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 9:45:57 AM4/14/20
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graham wrote:
> It's this obsession that a few are going to take advantage that
> persuades right-wing, knuckle-dragging legislators to cut welfare to
> those who genuinely need it.
Welfare is a good thing but you would be surprised at how
many abuse it. I've seen it often first hand.
Welfare and other assistance, like ss disability claims, just
need to be policed better.
> It's this obsession that a few are going to take advantage that
> persuades right-wing, knuckle-dragging legislators to cut welfare to
> those who genuinely need it.
Welfare is a good thing but you would be surprised at how
many abuse it. I've seen it often first hand.
Welfare and other assistance, like ss disability claims, just
need to be policed better.
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 9:47:04 AM4/14/20
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"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
> Thank you mr. rump. Our grandchildren will still be paying for his
> excesses and --- oh, never mind. I just can't even come up with a
> coherent thought about him and this pandemic
> So many dead and ill needlessly.
> Next time you vote, be sure to vote for someone who has empathy, a
> sincere will to govern wisely and a thought for others.
You might want to give your doctor a call soon. Certainly
that steam coming out of your ears is not a good sign. ;)
> Thank you mr. rump. Our grandchildren will still be paying for his
> excesses and --- oh, never mind. I just can't even come up with a
> coherent thought about him and this pandemic
> So many dead and ill needlessly.
> Next time you vote, be sure to vote for someone who has empathy, a
> sincere will to govern wisely and a thought for others.
You might want to give your doctor a call soon. Certainly
that steam coming out of your ears is not a good sign. ;)
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 9:48:12 AM4/14/20
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S Viemeister wrote:
>
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > At ten years old I was painting stoops, $25 a
> > stoop was a good day's pay in 1953.
> In 1953 it was more likely 25 _cents_, not 25 _dollar_s!
No kidding. In 1953, no one would pay some annoying
kid (or anyone else) to paint their stoop for $25.
I was born end of June 1953. My only concern that summer
was getting my poopy diaper changed asap. ;)
>
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > At ten years old I was painting stoops, $25 a
> > stoop was a good day's pay in 1953.
> In 1953 it was more likely 25 _cents_, not 25 _dollar_s!
No kidding. In 1953, no one would pay some annoying
kid (or anyone else) to paint their stoop for $25.
I was born end of June 1953. My only concern that summer
was getting my poopy diaper changed asap. ;)
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 9:49:21 AM4/14/20
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GM wrote:
> Or course, Democrats *love* having a dependent class that
> they can gin for political gain. If I were a minority, I'd
> sure HATE living on that political "plantation", this system
> is every bit as evil as slavery was...it is very patronizing.
Democrats love having a dependent class of people hoping
for the government to save them from their woes. Always
brings in the votes.
Jesus must have been a republican even before the parties.
"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day" (democrat theory)
"Teach him how to fish and he eats forever" (republican)
And while I'm talking religion. Another good lesson in the
old bible...Moses (and God) trying to get Egypt's Pharoh
to release the Hebrew slaves.
One of the plagues was a one night death (a plague)
that would kill all first born in Egypt'
To avoid dying, stay inside that night and smear lamb's
blood around your front door. Key message was to stay
at home that night.
Fast forward to our current virus issue. Message is to
STAY AT HOME and be safe.
You don't have to be religious to realize that the bible
contains a lot of "common sense" advice.
> Or course, Democrats *love* having a dependent class that
> they can gin for political gain. If I were a minority, I'd
> sure HATE living on that political "plantation", this system
> is every bit as evil as slavery was...it is very patronizing.
Democrats love having a dependent class of people hoping
for the government to save them from their woes. Always
brings in the votes.
Jesus must have been a republican even before the parties.
"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day" (democrat theory)
"Teach him how to fish and he eats forever" (republican)
And while I'm talking religion. Another good lesson in the
old bible...Moses (and God) trying to get Egypt's Pharoh
to release the Hebrew slaves.
One of the plagues was a one night death (a plague)
that would kill all first born in Egypt'
To avoid dying, stay inside that night and smear lamb's
blood around your front door. Key message was to stay
at home that night.
Fast forward to our current virus issue. Message is to
STAY AT HOME and be safe.
You don't have to be religious to realize that the bible
contains a lot of "common sense" advice.
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 9:50:01 AM4/14/20
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Bruce wrote:
> Isn't it a beautiful country? Just a bit strange that American blacks
> are dying in much bigger numbers from corona virus than whites,
> because they can't afford good healthcare.
Even the poor in this country that can't afford healthcare can
> Isn't it a beautiful country? Just a bit strange that American blacks
> are dying in much bigger numbers from corona virus than whites,
> because they can't afford good healthcare.
still get free healthcare if they need it.
The poor just go to any hospital emergency room and they will
get a doctor to attend to them. They just don't pay the bill
for that when it comes.
Dave Smith
Apr 14, 2020, 10:17:33 AM4/14/20
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liable for meals missed when students go home for mid term breaks or if
the skip cafeteria meals to go out for supper with dates or friends.
My son is having a bit of a problem with an airline. He and his
girlfriend were supposed to go to Peru in May. They did not cancel,
hoping that this situation would turn around. The airline made the
decision for them by cancelling the flight. We was relieved because he
assumed that meant that they would refund his airfare. They sent him an
email with a link to the site where he should go to cancel and get a
voucher. That sucks. The voucher will be cash value, and for all we
know, they may jack up their prices enough that the it would not cover
the new rate to the same destination. Apparently the voucher would only
be valid until the end of April next year. That doesn't work for his
partner because she is a university professor and the school term ends
in April. That was why they had planned to go in May.
Cindy Hamilton
Apr 14, 2020, 10:20:25 AM4/14/20
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days for home improvement. For example, on the first day of building
a 20x40' workshop for my husband, I walked backward with a wheelbarrow,
tripped over a cinder block, and banged my head on the concrete. Luckily
the hat I was wearing cushioned the blow so I only ended up with a
headache.
Cindy Hamilton
Ed Pawlowski
Apr 14, 2020, 10:23:54 AM4/14/20
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from societal mores, others are self imposed. Same as poor and
uneducated of other races and as well educated and wealthy followed a
different path.
Cindy Hamilton
Apr 14, 2020, 10:24:17 AM4/14/20
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On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 9:49:21 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> GM wrote:
> > Or course, Democrats *love* having a dependent class that
> > they can gin for political gain. If I were a minority, I'd
> > sure HATE living on that political "plantation", this system
> > is every bit as evil as slavery was...it is very patronizing.
>
> Democrats love having a dependent class of people hoping
> for the government to save them from their woes. Always
> brings in the votes.
>
> Jesus must have been a republican even before the parties.
> "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day" (democrat theory)
> "Teach him how to fish and he eats forever" (republican)
Jesus was a Democrat, dearie:
> GM wrote:
> > Or course, Democrats *love* having a dependent class that
> > they can gin for political gain. If I were a minority, I'd
> > sure HATE living on that political "plantation", this system
> > is every bit as evil as slavery was...it is very patronizing.
>
> Democrats love having a dependent class of people hoping
> for the government to save them from their woes. Always
> brings in the votes.
>
> Jesus must have been a republican even before the parties.
> "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day" (democrat theory)
> "Teach him how to fish and he eats forever" (republican)
"For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’"
Cindy Hamilton
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 10:25:15 AM4/14/20
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GM wrote:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html
> Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the Pandemic
If only...when this pandemic first started. If only people didn't
panic and just continued to buy at a normal schedule. There would
be no shortages or overcrowded stores. Lot's less of the spread
of the virus too.
It really is all Trump's fault. Good one.
Pass the blame to someone else rather than take responsibility
for your own actions. That's a very common theme these days.
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/business/coronavirus-destroying-food.html
> Dumped Milk, Smashed Eggs, Plowed Vegetables: Food Waste of the Pandemic
If only...when this pandemic first started. If only people didn't
panic and just continued to buy at a normal schedule. There would
be no shortages or overcrowded stores. Lot's less of the spread
of the virus too.
It really is all Trump's fault. Good one.
Pass the blame to someone else rather than take responsibility
for your own actions. That's a very common theme these days.
Dave Smith
Apr 14, 2020, 10:29:57 AM4/14/20
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believe that we need welfare to help people get through hard times and
to help people who have physical or mental disabilities that prevent
them from working. There are lots of single mothers with multiple
children, often by multiple fathers. They have no intention of ever
going out to work, and they have the excuse about child care costs as an
excuse to stay home. IMO, it is abuse of welfare for able bodied people
to collect welfare because they are too lazy to work to support
themselves. If they won't work to help themselves it is a pretty safe
bet that they won't get off their asses to support you.
I guess I am jaded. I have spent enough time with the welfare crowd to
have seen and heard the scams. They tell each other what to tell the
welfare people, the pretend to split up so they can each collect more
benefits. The real failure of the system is the fact that there are
multi generation welfare families. They often live in the same
neighbourhoods, so you get clusters of welfare cultures, where people
just don't bother to get an education or find a job.
Dave Smith
Apr 14, 2020, 10:31:23 AM4/14/20
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On 2020-04-14 9:48 a.m., Gary wrote:
> S Viemeister wrote:
>>
>> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> At ten years old I was painting stoops, $25 a
>>> stoop was a good day's pay in 1953.
>
>> In 1953 it was more likely 25 _cents_, not 25 _dollar_s!
>
> No kidding. In 1953, no one would pay some annoying
> kid (or anyone else) to paint their stoop for $25.
My father had been an air force officer. His pay was something like $35
> S Viemeister wrote:
>>
>> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> At ten years old I was painting stoops, $25 a
>>> stoop was a good day's pay in 1953.
>
>> In 1953 it was more likely 25 _cents_, not 25 _dollar_s!
>
> No kidding. In 1953, no one would pay some annoying
> kid (or anyone else) to paint their stoop for $25.
per month.
>
> I was born end of June 1953. My only concern that summer
> was getting my poopy diaper changed asap. ;)
>
Gary
Apr 14, 2020, 10:35:15 AM4/14/20
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Dave Smith wrote:
> > I was born end of June 1953. My only concern that summer
> > was getting my poopy diaper changed asap. ;)
> >
>
> I hope your hopes are met this year.
If I live long enough, I might again one day end up with
> > I was born end of June 1953. My only concern that summer
> > was getting my poopy diaper changed asap. ;)
> >
>
> I hope your hopes are met this year.
diaper problems. ;)
Sheldon Martin
Apr 14, 2020, 11:28:16 AM4/14/20
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location is always a vacation. I've already traveled plenty, I've no
longer any desire to go anywhere. Since moving here some eighteen
years ago I haven't been more than 50 miles from my front door and
that far maybe six times... most weeks the most I travel is the five
miles into town and the five miles back home, and often not more than
twice per month. I've driven through every state including Alaska
except Ukelele Land and never had a desire to visit that fercocktah
rip off rock. And I've likely been on more cruises than all of yoose
put together. For me being on vacation means not being a slave to a
clock... I have a very nice Rolex but never wear it unless I have a
doctor appointment, for me when it's light out it's day time, when
it's dark out it's night time. The last time I bought a ticket to see
anything was about 1970 when I went to see Sofie's Choice, the last
time I was in a movie theater.
U.S. Janet B.
Apr 14, 2020, 12:36:56 PM4/14/20
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to the supply chain and you wouldn't sound clueless.
Janet US
Sheldon Martin
Apr 14, 2020, 12:37:05 PM4/14/20
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 09:47:08 -0400, Gary <g.ma...@att.net> wrote:
>"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>> Thank you mr. rump. Our grandchildren will still be paying for his
>> excesses and --- oh, never mind. I just can't even come up with a
>> coherent thought about him and this pandemic
>> So many dead and ill needlessly.
>> Next time you vote, be sure to vote for someone who has empathy, a
>> sincere will to govern wisely and a thought for others.
Very sick to blame Trump for something a Chinky bat woman did.
>"U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>> Thank you mr. rump. Our grandchildren will still be paying for his
>> excesses and --- oh, never mind. I just can't even come up with a
>> coherent thought about him and this pandemic
>> So many dead and ill needlessly.
>> Next time you vote, be sure to vote for someone who has empathy, a
>> sincere will to govern wisely and a thought for others.
graham
Apr 14, 2020, 1:26:58 PM4/14/20
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Tax change in coronavirus package overwhelmingly benefits millionaires,
congressional body finds:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/14/coronavirus-law-congress-tax-change/
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