(2008-09-30) NS-RFC: Going on a diet
ChattyCathy
maxine in ri
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
Rats! With no responses, I thought I might have a chance of being
first, but not so.
I just joined a research project where they are trying to fine-tune
the basic information with a "does this work better, or if we do it
this way does it work better?" approach.
Was going good til this afternoon when a box of crackers jumped out
and stuffed itself down my throat....
maxine in ri
Dave Smith
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
When I retired just over 4 years ago I made a commitment to getting back
into shape and losing some weight. I cut out snacking and started
getting a lot more exercise. I joined the Y and started an exercise
regime and an started bicycling. Rather than go on a diet and lose a lot
of weight only to gain it back with interest, my goal was for a slow and
steady loss. So far I have dropped 25 pounds.
Dimitri
"ChattyCathy" <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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I went back on the"DRINKING MAN'S DIET" about 3 weeks ago and I am down 10
lbs as of yesterday.
This was a precursor to the Air Force and Atkins Diets.
Don't hold me to it but IIRC it came out about 1968 to 70.
It still works.
Dimitri
maxine in ri
> "ChattyCathy" <cathy1...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
1964 according to Forbes.
maxine in ri
Dimitri
"ChattyCathy" <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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Follow -up The drinking mans diet
http://www.forbes.com/2004/04/21/cz_af_0421feat.html
Back after 40+ years.
Dimitri
Dimitri
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1964 according to Forbes.
maxine in ri
Here' the sample menu.
Dimitri
Drinking Man's Diet: Sample Menu
(With grams of carbohydrate)
Menu planning, the Dean Martin way!
Breakfast
1/4 cantaloupe or 4 ounces of tomato juice (5)
Ham or bacon, 2 slices (0)
Egg, fried, boiled or poached (trace)
Coffee or tea (0)
Lunch
Dry martini or whiskey and soda, if desired (trace)
Broiled fish or steak or roast chicken (0)
2 glasses dry wine, if you wish (trace)
Green beans or asparagus (1)
Lettuce and tomato salad with French or Roquefort dressing (4)
Coffee or tea (0)
Dinner
Martinis or highballs, if you desire (trace)
Hors d'oeuvres of 2 stalks of celery stuffed with pâté (5)
Shrimp cocktail (4)
Beef, pork, lamb, veal chicken or turkey (0)
Green beans, 1 cup, brussels sprouts, 1/2 cup, or cauliflower, 1 cup (6)
2 glasses dry wine (trace)
1/2 avocado with French dressing (8)
Cheese: Roquefort, Camembert, Swiss or cheddar (trace)
Coffee or tea (0)
Brandy (trace)
Total grams of carbohydrate: 33
Dimitri
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1964 according to Forbes.
maxine in ri
I think I still have the original little book.
Someplace.
Dimitri
Wayne Boatwright
That sounds a lot like something out of the book, "Martinis and Whipped
Cream", from the same era.
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"ChattyCathy" <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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I can't believe I'm the only one who said I think about going on a diet just
once a week. Must be the casual Friday jean day. LOL
Dan Abel
ChattyCathy <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
I'm back on my diet, the one I was on last January. It's a high fat,
high salt diet. I don't expect to be on it very long.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
kilikini
Well dang. Someone tell me how to gain weight, please? I need to up about
10 pounds. My diet requirements: no meat, no dairy (well, low in lactose),
low carbs, no omega 3's, as little iron as possible, no nuts.
I'm eating more than I ever have in my life and I just keep losing weight.
Sigh.
kili
Pete C.
I think the problem is that your dietary requirements have excluded one
important thing - food.
Dave Smith
I have stuck to my usual diet over the past few weeks. I have Shredded
Wheat with half a banana, a latte and a piece of toast with honey or
strawberry jam. Lunch was usually a bacon sandwich on toasted Italian
bread and a coffee. before dinner I had a Manhattan or two with crackers
and liverwurst, then dinner with wine, and dessert. However, I have
been helping my neighbour do his roof ..... stripping off the old
shingles and nailing in the new ones, a dozen trips up and down the
ladder each day, toting bundles of shingles up the ladder, then doing
doing my wone roof with his help. I must have been burning more
calories than I was injesting because I lost a pound over the two weeks
we have been doing it.... a large roof.
Dave Smith
Fist of all, I would recommend Keffir, fermented milk. The yeast and
bacteria have already eaten most of the lactose so even lactose
intolerant people can benefit from the good things in the milk without
reacting to the lactose. It restores the bacterial flora to your
intestines to help digest your food. Then I would recommend exercise so
that you can build some muscle mass.
Sheldon
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cybercat
"kilikini" <kili...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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What foods are high in fat that are non-animal or nut in origin?
Avocado? Coconut? (Or is that a nut?)
Serene Vannoy
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
I don't diet. For one thing, I like my body, and for another, if I *did*
want to lose weight, there's ample evidence out there that 95% of diets
fail. I wouldn't accept any other medical treatment with that success
rate, either.
Serene
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the bottom of the garden." -- Richard Dawkins
Cheryl
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fish, but that is high in omega 3's and probably iron. Kili, are you able
to work with a nutritionist?
Steve Pope
>ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
[Question is: How often have you muttered (to yourself and/or
nobody in particular) 'I need to go on a diet' (to lose some weight)?]
I don't mutter/think the above phrase to myself. Since entering middle
age, I have believed on an ongoing basis that my optimal weight is
somewhat lower than it often is, but I do not oscillate between
saying "I need to diet" with intervals of just ignoring my weight.
I give it a more or less constant, pretty much background level of
attention. I'm also a believer that information never subtracts
from decision making, so I measure my weight, my body fat percentage,
and the amount of calories and macronutrients I am consuming quite
frequently.
(And I have altered my diet at times in response to specific medical
information, e.g. high lipid levels, gout, hypertension, slightly high
glucose, but that is straying from the topic.)
>I don't diet. For one thing, I like my body, and for another, if I *did*
>want to lose weight, there's ample evidence out there that 95% of diets
>fail. I wouldn't accept any other medical treatment with that success
>rate, either.
I agree the evidence is completely there that easily 90% - 95% of diet
attempts fail. Possibly more than 95%.
What I haven't been able to find out is what fraction of people
succeed in deliberate weight loss, using the consensus definition
of this phrase [1]. I believe it to be 20% to 30% of individuals
who have tried, after much reading of the available data, but
have not found any studies that conclude with a figure for
exactly this. (You'd hope there would be not just studies,
but meta-studies, but AFAIK it's not there, which I think points
to the pisspoor state of science in this area.)
Steve
[1] An individual has succeeded at weight loss if they are
below their peak weight, have been below their peak weight
for five or more years, and have engaged in deliberate weight
loss during this time; persons with a medical condition
that is causing weight loss are excluded.
kilikini
Well after over 2 years of testing, the doctors have concluded that I'm
allergic to a *lot* of foods. I finally feel a little better since I've
completely changed my diet to low-carb vegetarian. I've been sick from
eating since I was a little kid and I never knew why. (My mom thought it
was all in my head.) I actually ended up being severely anorexic at one
point because *not* eating *didn't* make me sick - if that makes any sense.
Now that I finally have the answers, I can eat without pain, but I am losing
a bit too much weight.
The irony of this (or it maybe the cause of this) is that I have a complete
obsession with food. Not for myself to eat, but how flavors blend. What
works with what. How you can put two funky things together to come up with
an incredible dish. I love to experiment in the kitchen - although I
usually don't eat what I make. My husband gets to be the guinea pig. :~)
I indulge on forbidden foods now and then and I pay for it, but sometimes it
just calls ya. Like last night. My husband BBQ'd a slab of pork ribs over
cherry wood. I *had* to have a couple of ribs after smelling them for
hours!
kili
kilikini
I need to ask my doctor about seeing a nutritionist. I don't see why he
can't recommend one to me. I'll be seeing him soon anyway because I'm
getting another CT scan shortly, and more blood work done. When I go back
to the Dr. for the results of my tests in a week, I'll ask about a
nutritionist. (I've got to write that down or I'll forget when I get there,
you know?) The blood work I'm having done, actually, is specifically for my
diet to find out where my levels are at and what other vitamins or
supplements I need to include in case I'm lacking somewhere.
I can eat "white" fish like pollock, cod, haddock, and whiting. I'd add
catfish and tilapia to the list, but they taste like dirt to me. No thanks!
I'll probably bake some pollock tonight, in fact. (Reminder to self, take
fish out of freezer!) For breakfast today, I'm going to attempt some black
beans we cooked on the smoker yesterday and see how those go. The beans
smell mouth-watering fabulous from the mesquite and cherry wood smoke! I
wish I had enought to share with you, because, really, they smell
incredible. :~)
kili
kilikini
Can you find Keffir milk in a standard grocery store? If so, I'll look for
it. Hmm, why don't I google it?
Thanks, Dave!
kili
Julia Altshuler
>
> What foods are high in fat that are non-animal or nut in origin?
>
> Avocado? Coconut? (Or is that a nut?)
Coconut is a true nut, the largest.
Olives come to mind as being high in fat while non-animal and non-nut.
Also, if you don't have to eat the whole food, many plant foods provide
oil. Off the top of my head, there's corn oil, soy oil (usually sold as
vegetable oil in the stores), peanut oil (not a true nut but usually
categorized with them because people who are allergic to one tend to be
allergic to the other), safflower oil, canola oil, etc.
--Lia
Dave Smith
>
>>> weight. Sigh.
>> Fist of all, I would recommend Keffir, fermented milk. The yeast and
>> bacteria have already eaten most of the lactose so even lactose
>> intolerant people can benefit from the good things in the milk without
>> reacting to the lactose. It restores the bacterial flora to your
>> intestines to help digest your food. Then I would recommend exercise
>> so that you can build some muscle mass.
>
> Can you find Keffir milk in a standard grocery store? If so, I'll look for
> it. Hmm, why don't I google it?
They started carrying it in one of our local grocery stores a few years
ago and most of the stores in that chain in this area also carry it. I
found it in the grocery store in our little town two weeks ago. Some
stores will order stuff in if you ask for it. I would suggest a health
food store but none of the local health food stores have it and several
had no idea what it is.
I don't understand why it is not more popular. It's good stuff (if not
fermented to the point of being really, really sour, and it is so good
for you.
val189
it off with low cal meals and extra exercise the next. My size is the
same for the last 40 years and I attribute it to:
gym 4-5 times a week
shop the periphery
avoid junk
no snacking tween meals
low fat diet
no convenience foods
rarely eat desserts
high metabolic rate
kilikini
> "kilikini" <kili...@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
> news:gbud5v$ump$1...@news.datemas.de: in rec.food.cooking
> will help ;)
>
> Michael <- been there, done that
Hah! :~)
kili
Wayne Boatwright
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> In article <UqvEk.23754$Cl.14...@newsfe18.ams2>,
>
> ChattyCathy <cathy1...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> I'm back on my diet, the one I was on last January. It's a high fat,
> high salt diet. I don't expect to be on it very long.
That sounds like my retirement plan:
My 401K is in the crapper, so I may as well have some cheesecake.
That way, I'll enjoy myself and not outlive my savings.
Cindy Hamilton
Jean B.
Heh! That's an interesting way to look at things! But what if
the plan rebounds?
--
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Kajikit
<cath...@mailinator.com> wrote:
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I've been counting calories for the last eleven months. And I don't
see it ever being discontinued because it's not exactly arduous - you
can eat anything you want, just not too much of it! I'm not saying 'I
need to go on a diet' (which usually means beating yourself up over
your perceived imperfections) I'm just doing it... and there's 67lbs
less of me than there was this time last year.
Kajikit
Kili, they even sell it in Albertsons over in the dairy case by the
buttermilk! So you shouldn't have a problem tracking it down. Your
diet is so restrictive that you need to add as many things to it as
possible to try and get your calories up or you're going to fade away
to nothing! How about lactose-free dairy products? Lactaid even makes
cottage cheese now.
maxine in ri
It looks like you need to add calories, since most of the calories in
most diets come from the things you cannot eat.
Does no meat include poultry? Dark meat chicken or chicken with the
skin are high calorie (relatively).
IIRC, you do eat shrimp. Can you also eat white fishes? One low-
carber suggested using soy flour as a coating, if that works within
your guidelines.
How do you feel about fried foods? That, or dipping your food into
flavored oil or dressings.
Are beans low-carb enough for your purposes? Avocados, coconuts,
olives.
Pretty much anything that isn't on a weight-loss diet in any
quantity<G>.
hugs
maxine in ri
maxine in ri
> maxine in ri <weed...@gmail.com> news:54f78eae-ff3d-4e6f-83a0-
> 3cf069b96...@q9g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
> > On Sep 30, 3:54 pm, ChattyCathy <cathy1...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> >>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> > first, but not so.
>
> > I just joined a research project where they are trying to fine-tune
> > the basic information with a "does this work better, or if we do it
> > this way does it work better?" approach.
>
> > Was going good til this afternoon when a box of crackers jumped out
> > and stuffed itself down my throat....
>
> What kind of crackers? I discovered hot and spicy Cheeze IT crackers last
> week. The box is already gone.
>
> Michael
Triscuit quatro formaggio.
I paid for it with the first heartburn I've had since starting this
diet. I guess my stomach is already shrinking and won't hold that
much food anymore. This is a Good Thing.
maxine in ri
maxine in ri
wrote:
> On Wed 01 Oct 2008 05:57:56a, val189 told us...
>
> > I am on constant watch. If I indulge one day, I make sure I balance
> > it off with low cal meals and extra exercise the next. My size is the
> > same for the last 40 years and I attribute it to:
>
> > gym 4-5 times a week
> > shop the periphery
> > avoid junk
> > no snacking tween meals
> > low fat diet
> > no convenience foods
> > rarely eat desserts
> > high metabolic rate
>
> I will probably not live as long as you will, but that would be a rather
> depressing way for me to live. :-)
>
endorphins you release with a heavy workout are wonderful<G>. Shopping
the periphery and no convenience foods are the other two things on
that list that I do, and don't find them onerous. It means lots of
fresh foods, and the creativity make my own convenience foods.
It's the between meal snacks, junk and desserts that do me in. I'm
trying to do the 5 small meals with protein and produce at each, and
that help with the hunger signals, but the nibbling habit is what I
have to break.
maxine in ri
blake murphy
> ChattyCathy wrote:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> When I retired just over 4 years ago I made a commitment to getting back
> into shape and losing some weight. I cut out snacking and started
> getting a lot more exercise. I joined the Y and started an exercise
> regime and an started bicycling. Rather than go on a diet and lose a lot
> of weight only to gain it back with interest, my goal was for a slow and
> steady loss. So far I have dropped 25 pounds.
congratulations, dave. it's pretty rare for someone to become more healthy
after retiring.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
very impressive.
your pal,
blake
kilikini
I didn't know there was a lactose free cottage cheese! I miss cottage
cheese. I usually just walk past the dairy aisle; I haven't checked
anything out lately. I will do so this weekend. Thank you!
kili
Steve Pope
>kilikini wrote:
>>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>> When I retired just over 4 years ago I made a commitment to getting
>>> back into shape and losing some weight. I cut out snacking and
>>> started getting a lot more exercise. I joined the Y and started an
>>> exercise regime and an started bicycling. Rather than go on a diet
>>> and lose a lot of weight only to gain it back with interest, my goal
>>> was for a slow and steady loss. So far I have dropped 25 pounds.
>> Well dang. Someone tell me how to gain weight, please? I need to up about
>> 10 pounds. My diet requirements: no meat, no dairy (well, low in lactose),
>> low carbs, no omega 3's, as little iron as possible, no nuts.
>> I'm eating more than I ever have in my life and I just keep losing weight.
>> Sigh.
>Fist of all, I would recommend Keffir, fermented milk. The yeast and
>bacteria have already eaten most of the lactose so even lactose
>intolerant people can benefit from the good things in the milk without
>reacting to the lactose. It restores the bacterial flora to your
>intestines to help digest your food. Then I would recommend exercise so
>that you can build some muscle mass.
Just a shot in the dark, in this situation I'd add some free amino
acids. If you're not on sodium restriction, a shot of Bragg's Liquid
Aminos (a concoction simlar to soy sauce) in savory dishes works; I
often add this to things I eat to improve protein balance. There are
also free amino supplements.
(And yes, for normal metabolism protein balance may not be very
important, but if there is any problem synthesizing proteins in
your liver, it may conceivably make a difference.)
Steve
kilikini
Meat contains the most iron, unless you're eating fortified bread.
Fortified bread is really high in iron, believe it or not! I was surprised!
Pork and white fish have the lowest concentrations of iron for any kind of
meat. I love shellfish and eat it occasionally, but I was informed that the
mercury and iron in shellfish is dangerous for me. Raw fish (one of my
staples while living in Hawaii) is an absolute no-no.
So, here's my digestive problem. I'm lactose intolerant, I suffer from IBS,
Colitis and Hemochromatosis. Things I'm supposed to stay away from are:
dairy, soy, caffeine, preservatives, eggs, nuts, meats, dark green
vegetables, chocolate, citrus (although I've been making homemade lemonade
lately and it hasn't been bothering me), fried foods (grease), spices, and
acids - there are more, but I can't think of them right now.
And, yes, I cheat. I do. I don't think you'd be human if you didn't.
The diet really is working, honestly! My liver enzymes have gone down and
my stomach is settling a lot. The nausea, heartburn and bloating have eased
quite a bit, too. So, the doctors and I are on the right track finally,
after 40 years of absolute suffering on my part. My only complaints are
that I keep losing weight and when I do eat, I fill up *really* quickly.
kili
kilikini
I forgot about Bragg's! I used to use that occasionally in Hawaii in place
of Soy. I'll ask the Dr. about it when I see him next week. Thanks!
kili
Dave Smith
>> When I retired just over 4 years ago I made a commitment to getting back
>> into shape and losing some weight. I cut out snacking and started
>> getting a lot more exercise. I joined the Y and started an exercise
>> regime and an started bicycling. Rather than go on a diet and lose a lot
>> of weight only to gain it back with interest, my goal was for a slow and
>> steady loss. So far I have dropped 25 pounds.
>
> congratulations, dave. it's pretty rare for someone to become more healthy
> after retiring.
Thanks Blake. Years of working on the road led to a lot of snacking. A
pound or two a year was not alarming at the time, but it added up over
the years. I had tried dieting and managed to drop weight quickly, but
always seemed to end up gaining it all back with interest. I opted
instead to be a little more careful about what and when I eat, and made
a point of daily exercise. I spend at least an hour a day getting some
kind of exercise, either the gym , out cycling or walking. I run most of
my errands by bicycle, saving on gas and burning calories.
One of the added benefits is that my old clothes are looser, but the
loss is gradual enough that I can replace the old clothes with smaller
sizes as they wear out instead of having to go out for a whole new
wardrobe. The other is that weight lost slowly tends to stay off longer.
Omelet
ChattyCathy <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote:
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Interesting survey...
IME many people don't get serious about dieting until it really starts
affecting their health, and they start paying for ignoring it.
--
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"He who has the gold makes the rules"
--Om
"He who has the guns can get the gold."
-- Steve Rothstein
Omelet
"kilikini" <kili...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > ChattyCathy wrote:
> >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
> >
> > When I retired just over 4 years ago I made a commitment to getting
> > back into shape and losing some weight. I cut out snacking and
> > started getting a lot more exercise. I joined the Y and started an
> > exercise regime and an started bicycling. Rather than go on a diet
> > and lose a lot of weight only to gain it back with interest, my goal
> > was for a slow and steady loss. So far I have dropped 25 pounds.
>
> Well dang. Someone tell me how to gain weight, please? I need to up about
> 10 pounds. My diet requirements: no meat, no dairy (well, low in lactose),
> low carbs, no omega 3's, as little iron as possible, no nuts.
>
> I'm eating more than I ever have in my life and I just keep losing weight.
> Sigh.
>
> kili
Consider a good weight gainers meal replacement powder from GNS.
Met-Rx is supposed to be good.
Then there is always Ensure...
ChattyCathy
I take my hat off to you, kili. When I look at what you cannot eat, I
think it must be quicker to list the stuff you *can* eat. I'm glad
things are working out for you though, and that you're feeling a lot
better.
FWIW, I've never actually gone on a 'strict diet' per se. When I start
getting too fat for my clothes I just (try to) ease back on the 'junk
food' e.g. chips, peanuts, candy, etc. I eat more green salads and
veggies and have my meat grilled instead of fried (and have less of
it). I also drink more water (e.g. instead of a glass of cola). So I
still eat my fill, just a bit 'healthier', if you know what I mean?
That seems to work for me and I manage to lose a few pounds that way...
The sad thing is, I could eat whatever I liked until my mid-30s and
didn't put on an ounce - but it's been all downhill since then. Sigh.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
Dimitri
"Kajikit" <kaj...@jagcon.com> wrote in message
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Good Job keep it up.
Feeling better? More energy?
Dimitri
Wayne Boatwright
> On Oct 1, 9:10�am, Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwri...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Wed 01 Oct 2008 05:57:56a, val189 told us...
>> > gym 4-5 times a week
>> > shop the periphery
>> > avoid junk
>> > no snacking tween meals
>> > low fat diet
>> > no convenience foods
>> > rarely eat desserts
>> > high metabolic rate
>>
>> I will probably not live as long as you will, but that would be a rather
>> depressing way for me to live. :-)
>>
> The gym can become an addiction, as I found in my 30's. The
> endorphins you release with a heavy workout are wonderful<G>. Shopping
> the periphery and no convenience foods are the other two things on
> that list that I do, and don't find them onerous. It means lots of
> fresh foods, and the creativity make my own convenience foods.
>
> It's the between meal snacks, junk and desserts that do me in. I'm
> trying to do the 5 small meals with protein and produce at each, and
> that help with the hunger signals, but the nibbling habit is what I
> have to break.
I wasn't implying that any of those are bad things. Some I do, or at least
make a serious attempt at doing. One thing I have never done and will
never do is workout or exercise. I do find it onerous. We buy very little
junk of snacking foods, follow a realtively low fat diet most of the week,
and choose the few convenience foods we do by very carefully. I do bake
desserts, but not every week. I'd say we live and eat in moderation most
of the time. I will never become extreme in any of these areas. It would
be anathema to me.
--
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cats. - Marquis
Steve Pope
> One thing I have never done and will never do is workout or
> exercise. I do find it onerous.
Yeah, I know what you mean. "Onerous". My entire life, my only real
form of exercise was walking -- hiking, city walking, and sometimes
playing frisbee. You cannot get me to go to a gym, or
run a track, and even swimming I avoid because I find the chlorinated
water and resulting ear problems to be a poor tradeoff for the benefits.
However, when I was laid low with gout and had to seriously limit
being on my feet, out of desperation I got some weights for
upper-body exercising and some ankle weights for doing leg-lifts.
It was tolerable, and I am trying to keep it up even though
I can walk again. During my gout recuperation my body fat
percentage increased from 20% to 25% even though I gained no
weight -- so I lost a lot of muscle mass, due to the inactivity
and low-protein diet. I've clawed my way back to about 22% now.
(Okay, TMI.)
Steve
Wayne Boatwright
> Yeah, I know what you mean. "Onerous". My entire life, my only real
> form of exercise was walking -- hiking, city walking, and sometimes
> playing frisbee. You cannot get me to go to a gym, or
> run a track, and even swimming I avoid because I find the chlorinated
> water and resulting ear problems to be a poor tradeoff for the benefits.
I don't mind walking, and I don't mind swimming in our local pool because
it's a salt water pool and no chlorine. I think I almost go into panic
attack mode when I get within 50 feet of a gym. :-)
> However, when I was laid low with gout and had to seriously limit
> being on my feet, out of desperation I got some weights for
> upper-body exercising and some ankle weights for doing leg-lifts.
> It was tolerable, and I am trying to keep it up even though
> I can walk again. During my gout recuperation my body fat
> percentage increased from 20% to 25% even though I gained no
> weight -- so I lost a lot of muscle mass, due to the inactivity
> and low-protein diet. I've clawed my way back to about 22% now.
David and I both did so well following Weight Watchers, and I had reached
my goal weight. Shortly afterward I injured my back to the degree that I
could stand or walk without a walker, so activity was basically *out*.
Until my back healed, we ate a lot of convenience foods or went to
restaurants, and a lot of the weight we lost crept back on. We just
started going back to Weight Watcher's last Saturday.
Injury and many illnesses or health conditions make it difficult to stay on
a healthy diet, unless you have someone to prepare it for you.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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Then I can afford more cheesecake.
My plan is carefully thought out.
Cindy Hamilton
kilikini
ROFL, Cindy. I like your plan. :~)
kili
Dave Smith
>
> Yeah, I know what you mean. "Onerous". My entire life, my only real
> form of exercise was walking -- hiking, city walking, and sometimes
> playing frisbee. You cannot get me to go to a gym, or
> run a track, and even swimming I avoid because I find the chlorinated
> water and resulting ear problems to be a poor tradeoff for the benefits.
>
> However, when I was laid low with gout and had to seriously limit
> being on my feet, out of desperation I got some weights for
> upper-body exercising and some ankle weights for doing leg-lifts.
> It was tolerable, and I am trying to keep it up even though
> I can walk again. During my gout recuperation my body fat
> percentage increased from 20% to 25% even though I gained no
> weight -- so I lost a lot of muscle mass, due to the inactivity
> and low-protein diet. I've clawed my way back to about 22% now.
The trick s balancing exercise that will build muscle and burn fat while
keeping it fun enough that you can keep it up. I was never a runner. I
played football in high school and practices were a bitch. It involved
a lot of running, push ups, sit ups, stride jumping and all sorts of
unpleasantness. The practices were a lot more demanding than th games.
When I joined the Y they set up a weight machine program for me along
with some cardio vascular stuff. Once I got into the routine was was
adding more weight and more reps to the programs. The problem was that
while i was gaining muscle mass, I was not losing weight, and I really
wanted to lose weight to make it easier for the poor horses that I ride.
It doesn't take a lot of brains to figure that jumping over those rails
and fences would be a lot easier if they had less weight to move up and
over. I cut back on the weight routines but increased the cardio exercises.
It is worth noting that once you get into an exercise routine it becomes
easier and it soon becomes a pleasant part of your daily routine.
Swimming is an excellent way to exercise your whole body and to burn off
calories. Unfortunately, it is boring as hell. I have a problem with
the pool at the local Y. They have limited hours for lane swimming and
while they mark lanes for different speeds they will not enforce it. For
some reason, one of the lanes is for "leisure swimming" two for medium
and one fast. I would consider myself to be a medium speed swimmer, but
I go for the distance, either 1,000 or 1,500 meters. I can't do it in
the medium lanes because there are too many slow swimmers getting in the
way. I can usually hold my own in the fast lane but inevitably get some
slow swimmer in my way. The staff at another nearby Y are much better at
enforcing lane speeds. If you are in a fast lane and someone else is
faster they send you to a slower lane.
Scott
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> ChattyCathy wrote:
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>> When I retired just over 4 years ago I made a commitment to getting
>> back into shape and losing some weight. I cut out snacking and
>> started getting a lot more exercise. I joined the Y and started an
>> exercise regime and an started bicycling. Rather than go on a diet
>> and lose a lot of weight only to gain it back with interest, my goal
>> was for a slow and steady loss. So far I have dropped 25 pounds.
>
> Well dang. Someone tell me how to gain weight, please? I need to up about
> 10 pounds. My diet requirements: no meat, no dairy (well, low in lactose),
> low carbs, no omega 3's, as little iron as possible, no nuts.
>
> I'm eating more than I ever have in my life and I just keep losing weight.
> Sigh.
>
> kili
>
>
Doesn't GNC have some weight gain products?
Dan Abel
Scott <sws...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> kilikini wrote:
> > Well dang. Someone tell me how to gain weight, please? I need to up about
> > 10 pounds. My diet requirements: no meat, no dairy (well, low in lactose),
> > low carbs, no omega 3's, as little iron as possible, no nuts.
> >
> > I'm eating more than I ever have in my life and I just keep losing weight.
> Doesn't GNC have some weight gain products?
Why not just eat food?
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
merryb
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:54:40 +0200, ChattyCathy
>
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> I've been counting calories for the last eleven months. And I don't
> see it ever being discontinued because it's not exactly arduous - you
> can eat anything you want, just not too much of it! I'm not saying 'I
> need to go on a diet' (which usually means beating yourself up over
> your perceived imperfections) I'm just doing it... and there's 67lbs
> less of me than there was this time last year.
Good for you! :)
John Kane
wrote:
I think I'll talk to my finanical advisor about investing in
cheesecake companies.
John Kane Kingston ON Canada
John Kane
> In article <UqvEk.23754$Cl.14...@newsfe18.ams2>,
>
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> Interesting survey...
>
> IME many people don't get serious about dieting until it really starts
> affecting their health, and they start paying for ignoring it.
I'm a strong believer in a bicycle diet :) Ride everywhere and eat
anything.
Anything amount of cycling over 100km/week seems to work well and that
really is little more than regular communting.
JOhn
Dimitri
"Cindy Hamilton" <angelica...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cd7fc465-ff10-4a9a...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 30, 7:01 pm, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article <UqvEk.23754$Cl.14...@newsfe18.ams2>,
>
> ChattyCathy <cathy1...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> high salt diet. I don't expect to be on it very long.
That sounds like my retirement plan:
My 401K is in the crapper, so I may as well have some cheesecake.
That way, I'll enjoy myself and not outlive my savings.
Cindy Hamilton
COL
(crying out loud)
If I think about the Market and look at my numbers I'll cook a box of Kraft
Mac & Cheese and eat the whole damn thing myself then start on the ice
cream - with cream on top.
Dimitri
kilikini
Yes, but have you seen their prices!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yikes!!!!!!!!
kili
Arri London
Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
> ChattyCathy wrote:
> > http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>
> I don't diet. For one thing, I like my body, and for another, if I *did*
> want to lose weight, there's ample evidence out there that 95% of diets
> fail. I wouldn't accept any other medical treatment with that success
> rate, either.
>
> Serene
>
Of course diets fail. They frequently require weird eating patterns that
are difficult to maintain for a lifetime. However, for people who are
overweight from simple over eating, simple *small* reduction of intake
works.
Wayne Boatwright
> Of course diets fail. They frequently require weird eating patterns that
> are difficult to maintain for a lifetime. However, for people who are
> overweight from simple over eating, simple *small* reduction of intake
> works.
The majority of people who are overweight are overweight from simply over
eating, and *small* reduction of intake does indeed work. However, the
major problem for most of these people is managing this process on their
own. If they had the discipline to do so, they might have already resolved
their weight issues.
Weight Watcher's is probably more successful than any other method in
helping members achieve their desired weight loss and maintaining their
weight, particularly if one's goal weight is reached and one continues to
go to meetings (free at that point).
Most people with excess weight issues really need some form of ongoing
support and accountability to someone else for continuing success. For
many, self-accountability is virtually impossible.
--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
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--George Carlin
Becca
I was not going to look. Why should I? There is nothing I can do to
change it. This is a good time to look at stocks you would like to
purchase, though. I'm going to go look under the seat cushions on the
sofa. :-)
Becca
Kajikit
I haven't tried it becuase I don't have a problem with regular low-fat
cottage cheese... (I like the 'whipped' one best because it's not so
lumpy) but it's definitely there. And come the holiday season they'll
roll out the lactose-free eggnog again as well. That'll put some meat
on your bones...
Kajikit
wrote:
Much better thanks... my weight never used to be a problem, but as it
crept up after I got married, my poor joints started to suffer and it
got hard to just do the laundry or lug the groceries upstairs. Plus I
was running out of clothes sizes! So eventually I decided that I had
to do something because I didn't want to end up at 300+ lbs before I
was 40. So I started using a website called Calorie Count (which is
really great). When almost everything you eat daily is listed right
there in the database you don't have any excuses for not logging it!
The other big change was I started exercising... I've always hated
exercise, but again, I didn't want to end up disabled so I had to do
it. And it wasn't nearly as ardous or difficult as I thought it would
be. Sure it was uncomfortable for the first month while my body got
used to the shock of being asked to actually carry me around outside,
but it's good to push yourself and do things you didn't think you
could manage... All I really needed were the right tools.
Kajikit
<blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:32:00 -0400, Kajikit wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:54:40 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> I've been counting calories for the last eleven months. And I don't
>> see it ever being discontinued because it's not exactly arduous - you
>> can eat anything you want, just not too much of it! I'm not saying 'I
>> need to go on a diet' (which usually means beating yourself up over
>> your perceived imperfections) I'm just doing it... and there's 67lbs
>> less of me than there was this time last year.
>
>very impressive.
Thanks. I'd like to lose another 20 pounds to get down to 'overweight'
(I'll never be thin and I don't care), but it's slowed down a LOT once
I got close to 200... I think my body's getting down to its
'comfortable' weight. Still, I've already achieved my original goal of
200 pounds, which seemed so impossibly far away that I'd never achieve
it, and it wasn't really hard at all, just slow.
Wayne Boatwright
> All I really needed were the right tools.
The right tools and knowing how to use them are usually all we ever need to
succeed at a task. I'm glad you found the right tools for you, and that it's
working for you.
The right tools for me came from Weight Watcher's, and it works for me. I
know it doesn't necessarily work for everyone. I needed to be accountable to
someone other than myself to achieve my goal. Still working at it, but it's
working.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright
You're to be congratulated! As losses slow it can be discouraging. It's
good to see that you're dealing well with it.
--
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Some things have got to be believed to
be seen.
Serene Vannoy
Do you have a citation for that? And for "works", I'd like to see an
actual study that shows they kept the weight off for more than a year.
Thanks!
SErene
--
"I am an agnostic only to the extent that I am agnostic about fairies at
the bottom of the garden." -- Richard Dawkins
Steve Pope
>Arri London wrote:
>> Of course diets fail. They frequently require weird eating patterns that
>> are difficult to maintain for a lifetime. However, for people who are
>> overweight from simple over eating, simple *small* reduction of intake
>> works.
>Do you have a citation for that? And for "works", I'd like to see an
>actual study that shows they kept the weight off for more than a year.
>Thanks!
I don't think Arri's statement above is worded in such a
way to be bullet-proof from criticisms, but studies by Linda Bacon
proved approximately this. The study interval was only two
years though, not the five-year span preferred by most researchers.
Study participants who made only very slight changes in diet
and lifestyle were judged as having an "improved" outcome
relative to controls. ("Improved" did not mean simply weight.)
Bacon, along with Weight Watchers and a slew of others, are in
the "but it's not a diet" camp.
Steve
Steve Pope
> Things are scary, for sure. Just this morning, I told my
> husband, that I was not going to look. Why should I? There is
> nothing I can do to change it.
There are actually things that you can be doing right now,
but they are mainly of a defensive nature. Various retirement
products that are not federally-insured or treasury-backed
can be moved into products that are. The products you
might want to move defensively include annuities,
some types of investments that occur in 401(k) accounts, and
any cash that is sitting around uninvested in a brokerage account.
But if it's a typical stock-market mutual fund, there are
no defensive moves really necessary.
(The above is U.S.-centric.)
Steve
sandi
> Much better thanks... my weight never used to be a problem,
> but as it crept up after I got married, my poor joints started
> to suffer and it got hard to just do the laundry or lug the
> groceries upstairs. Plus I was running out of clothes sizes!
> So eventually I decided that I had to do something because I
> didn't want to end up at 300+ lbs before I was 40. So I
> started using a website called Calorie Count
Try this software. I like it a lot.
"Kelpiesoft Food File"
Wayne Boatwright
> Try this software. I like it a lot.
> "Kelpiesoft Food File"
>
> http://www.kelpiesoft.com/
>
This is great! I know I'll be using this a lot. Thanks for posting the
link!
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they play with it.
sandi
news:Xns9B2AD87DAD3D7wa...@69.16.185.247:
> On Wed 01 Oct 2008 09:00:53p, sandi told us...
>
>> Try this software. I like it a lot.
>> "Kelpiesoft Food File"
>>
>> http://www.kelpiesoft.com/
>>
>
> This is great! I know I'll be using this a lot. Thanks for
> posting the link!
You're very welcome. :-)
kilikini
And I love egg nog, too, but it's never liked me!!!!!!!!! Thanks!
kili
kilikini
Congrats, Kaj! Great success! Our buddy went on Atkins about 4 months ago.
I should have thought to take a before picture, but I didn't. I thought of
it about two months ago and I took another picture of him Friday or
Saturday. He's gone from about 355 pounds to 275 in 4 months. I'm not
saying Atkins is for everybody, but it's working for him. Look at his
belly, his cheeks - you can even see the difference in how his necklace
hangs. Oh, my tubby hubby is on the right and ignore the grimy work shirts.
:~)
August 8: http://i33.tinypic.com/2yo74u8.jpg
September 29: http://i38.tinypic.com/j0cm6r.jpg
kili
Melba's Jammin'
Kajikit <kaj...@jagcon.com> wrote:
Karen, what you really have going for you is your attitude.
Congratulations on your achievements.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.mac.com/barbschaller, and here's the link to my appearance
on "A Prairie Home Companion," <http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/
programs/2008/08/30/>
Goomba
>>> Feeling better? More energy?
>> Much better thanks... my weight never used to be a problem, but as it
>> crept up after I got married, my poor joints started to suffer and it
>> got hard to just do the laundry or lug the groceries upstairs. Plus I
>> was running out of clothes sizes! So eventually I decided that I had
>> to do something because I didn't want to end up at 300+ lbs before I
>> was 40. So I started using a website called Calorie Count (which is
>> really great). When almost everything you eat daily is listed right
>> there in the database you don't have any excuses for not logging it!
>> The other big change was I started exercising... I've always hated
>> exercise, but again, I didn't want to end up disabled so I had to do
>> it. And it wasn't nearly as ardous or difficult as I thought it would
>> be. Sure it was uncomfortable for the first month while my body got
>> used to the shock of being asked to actually carry me around outside,
>> but it's good to push yourself and do things you didn't think you
>> could manage... All I really needed were the right tools.
>
> Karen, what you really have going for you is your attitude.
> Congratulations on your achievements.
>
I'll second that on the attitude bit. I believe the experts say even a
10% loss (in the obese) reaps large benefits.
Having just returned from weeks in the lower bayous of Louisiana, I was
shocked by the condition of far too many there. Obesity (morbid and
otherwise, even in the young!) far too few teeth, far too much diabetes
(70% ), Hypertension and depression..... it was very discouraging. I'd
never treated so many young people on blood pressure meds and
antidepressants. One woman I dealt with blamed her aprox 400 pounds on
her thyroid. Ummm... no... not hardly.
It really hit me when I went into one gas station and this obese mom was
buying her daughter some big straw filled with colored sugar AND a punch
type drink. The daughter appeared 3 and already too chubby. It wasn't
hard to see the progression.....
cybercat
"kilikini" <kili...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote >Look at his
> belly, his cheeks - you can even see the difference in how his necklace
> hangs. Oh, my tubby hubby is on the right and ignore the grimy work
> shirts. :~)
>
> August 8: http://i33.tinypic.com/2yo74u8.jpg
> September 29: http://i38.tinypic.com/j0cm6r.jpg
>
Wow. He is saving his life, most likely. That's wonderful.
kilikini
He *feels* so much better, too. His skin is smoother. His hair is even
growing back in. It's amazing.
kili
Scott
Try doing a search on amazon.com under health and personal care for
weight gain. They have plenty of products listed with costumer reviews.
PeterLucas
news:gc208o$18o$1...@news.datemas.de:
161kgs to 124kgs......... he's done bloody well!!!
>I'm not saying Atkins is for everybody, but it's
> working for him.
It works for a lot of people.
Then you have the 'nay-sayers'.
> Look at his belly, his cheeks - you can even see the
> difference in how his necklace hangs.
3-4" lower.
Good shit :-)
> Oh, my tubby hubby is on the
> right and ignore the grimy work shirts.
I look at him, and the first name that comes to mind is Manuel.
:-)
--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia
If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?
blake murphy
i'm sure your knees and other joints are thanking you now.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
> In article <gbud5v$ump$1...@news.datemas.de>,
> "kilikini" <kili...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well dang. Someone tell me how to gain weight, please? I need to up about
>> 10 pounds. My diet requirements: no meat, no dairy (well, low in lactose),
>> low carbs, no omega 3's, as little iron as possible, no nuts.
>>
>> I'm eating more than I ever have in my life and I just keep losing weight.
>> Sigh.
>>
>> kili
>
> Consider a good weight gainers meal replacement powder from GNS.
> Met-Rx is supposed to be good.
>
> Then there is always Ensure...
except that ensure tastes unspeakably vile.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
> On Oct 1, 9:30�am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sep 30, 7:01 pm, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> In article <UqvEk.23754$Cl.14...@newsfe18.ams2>,
>>
>>>> �ChattyCathy <cathy1...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>>>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>>> I'm back on my diet, the one I was on last January. �It's a high fat,
>>>> high salt diet. �I don't expect to be on it very long.
>>
>>> That sounds like my retirement plan:
>>
>>> My 401K is in the crapper, so I may as well have some cheesecake.
>>> That way, I'll enjoy myself and not outlive my savings.
>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Heh! �That's an interesting way to look at things! �But what if
>> the plan rebounds?
>
> Then I can afford more cheesecake.
>
> My plan is carefully thought out.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
it sounds as reasonable as anything i've seen in the newspapers.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
> "Cindy Hamilton" <angelica...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cd7fc465-ff10-4a9a...@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 30, 7:01 pm, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> In article <UqvEk.23754$Cl.14...@newsfe18.ams2>,
>>
>> ChattyCathy <cathy1...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com
>>
>> I'm back on my diet, the one I was on last January. It's a high fat,
>> high salt diet. I don't expect to be on it very long.
>
> That sounds like my retirement plan:
>
> My 401K is in the crapper, so I may as well have some cheesecake.
> That way, I'll enjoy myself and not outlive my savings.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
> COL
>
> (crying out loud)
>
> If I think about the Market and look at my numbers I'll cook a box of Kraft
> Mac & Cheese and eat the whole damn thing myself then start on the ice
> cream - with cream on top.
>
> Dimitri
don't forget to have a drink.
your pal,
blake
Dimitri
"Becca" <becca...@hal-pc.organ> wrote in message
news:6kijeqF...@mid.individual.net...
The degree of Panic is in direct proportion to the number of years you have
left to recover (continue to earn and contribute)
The fewer the years the higher the level PANIC.
Dimitri
Omelet
blake murphy <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote:
Which is one reason it was not my first choice. <g>
I'm also not fond of it's nutritional breakdown, but that's just me.
When I go on a shake kick, I use Isopure.
--
Peace! Om
"He who has the gold makes the rules"
--Om
"He who has the guns can get the gold."
-- Steve Rothstein
Gregory Morrow
PeterLucas wanks:
Wow, such insight...
Lol...
--
Best
Greg
kilikini
High five on that one, Blake! I've tried it and threw up before I could get
a glass down.
kili
Steve Pope
>"kilikini" <kili...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in
>> Great success! Our buddy went on Atkins about 4
>> months ago. I should have thought to take a before picture, but I
>> didn't. I thought of it about two months ago and I took another
>> picture of him Friday or Saturday. He's gone from about 355 pounds to
>> 275 in 4 months.
>161kgs to 124kgs......... he's done bloody well!!!
I think most experts would disagree. That's a very rapid rate
of weight loss, and four months is far too short of an interval to be
claiming any sort of success. It could well be the beginning of
(or the continuance of, depending on history) a cycle of yo-yo
dieting.
I would be more inclined to say he's doing bloody well if the
weight loss were more moderate. (Depending on scenario; there are
situations, such as the need to lose weight for a medically
necessary surgical procedure, when you do really need to lose
weight that rapidly.)
However I do wish kili's buddy luck, and hope he meets his personal
goals on a sustained basis.
Steve
Arri London
Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
> Arri London wrote:
> >
> > Serene Vannoy wrote:
> >> ChattyCathy wrote:
> >>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com
> >> I don't diet. For one thing, I like my body, and for another, if I *did*
> >> want to lose weight, there's ample evidence out there that 95% of diets
> >> fail. I wouldn't accept any other medical treatment with that success
> >> rate, either.
> >>
> >> Serene
> >>
> >
> >
> > Of course diets fail. They frequently require weird eating patterns that
> > are difficult to maintain for a lifetime. However, for people who are
> > overweight from simple over eating, simple *small* reduction of intake
> > works.
>
> Do you have a citation for that? And for "works", I'd like to see an
> actual study that shows they kept the weight off for more than a year.
> Thanks!
>
> SErene
There are thousands of citations in the scientific literature; Google is
your friend. However here is one for you to get started: Obesity
Research (2001) 9, 1S�5S
It's basic biochemistry under normal circumstances: calories in (eaten)
*equal* calories out (activity level and normal metabolism) means
neither weight gain nor loss. Calories in *greater than* calories out
means eventual weight gain. Calories in *less than* calories out means
eventual weight loss. Amounts relative to intake/decrease.
This is for otherwise healthy people. Certain acute disease
states/pharmaceuticals/etc will upset that balance. It doesn't take into
consideration going on a starvation-level diet, which can result in
little or no weight loss long term. The brain will kick in to try to
maintain current weight in self-defence. The key is a small decrease in
caloric intake to lose the weight and then finding the correct intake to
maintain it. It's not rocket science.
Becca
>
> "Becca" <becca...@hal-pc.organ> wrote in message
> news:6kijeqF...@mid.individual.net...
>> that I was not going to look. Why should I? There is nothing I can do
>> to change it. This is a good time to look at stocks you would like to
>> purchase, though. I'm going to go look under the seat cushions on
>> the sofa. :-)
>>
>> Becca
>
> The degree of Panic is in direct proportion to the number of years you
> have left to recover (continue to earn and contribute)
>
> The fewer the years the higher the level PANIC.
>
> Dimitri
One of my friends retired and he lost all of the money in his 401-K, so
he went back to work for the company. This happened a couple of months
ago. He was not thrilled about going back to work.
Becca
Dave Smith
>
> One of my friends retired and he lost all of the money in his 401-K, so
> he went back to work for the company. This happened a couple of months
> ago. He was not thrilled about going back to work.
A friend of mine lost her job with the government when their branch was
downsized and she got a generous buy out. She invested most of it in
Nortel when it was doing well. Then Nortel had serious problems and the
stock plummeted. She lost almost all of her investment.
I admit to not understanding a lot about the business world. I really
can't understand how it is that energy stocks are not doing well when
oil companies are making record profits. Look at the stuff that is going
on these days. Stock prices are dropping like mad as people dump their
assets. A few days later prices are climbing, then dropping, then
climbing, then dropping. Now the US government is going to bail out the
companies whose CEOs are getting many millions of dollars pl;us many
millions more in bonuses. I must be too much old school because I always
thought that you got a bonus for doing well.
Dimitri
"blake murphy" <blakepm...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I'm not sure I'll be able to afford it.
Dimitri
blake murphy
now *that* would be a depression.
your pal,
blake
Del Cecchi
"Becca" <becca...@hal-pc.organ> wrote in message
He lost ALL of the Money??? what had he invested in? pets.com?
Market isn't down that much and he should have only been like 60%
stocks. Even if 100 percent in nasdaq stocks, only down about 30
percent. Didn't learn lesson of Enron?