Pewter frying pan

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 7:57:56 AM1/10/14

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I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.
Anyway, to make a nice change, I thought I would buy a frying pan made
of English pewter as it is lead-free and none of the elements used in
the alloy are considered toxic.

I was very dismayed that pewter frying pans appear to be completely
unavailable. I hunted high and low for one but to no avail so I found a
metalworker who agreed to create one for me for a fairly reasonable
price. He was quite amused at my insistence on having one and seemed to
think I was being a trifle obsessive but I thought it would make a nice
addition to my kitchen.

Anyway, it arrived this morning and I am looking forward to trying it
out to-night. The metalworker did a very nice job and seems to be
taking more of an interest now because he left a note telling me to make
sure I let him know how I get on with it.

Who knows, this could start a new trend.

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White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 8:16:43 AM1/10/14

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On 10/01/2014 13:06, Mike.. . . . wrote:

> Following a post by White Spirit

>> Anyway, it arrived this morning and I am looking forward to trying it
>> out to-night.

> fascinating!

I'm not sure what engendered that response. Cooking utensils are
perfectly on-topic.

Helpful person

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Jan 10, 2014, 8:25:25 AM1/10/14

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Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)? I'm
afraid that your pan will not stand up to the heat
of your stove.

Pewter is generally used for cold applications or
decoration.

http://www.richardfisher.com

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 8:28:41 AM1/10/14

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On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:

> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?

That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt. Even if temperature was a
problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees and
that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.

Gary

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Jan 10, 2014, 8:40:29 AM1/10/14

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White Spirit wrote:
>
> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
> steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
> dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.

Salt dispenser in your dishwasher? That's a new one to me.
Also, never heard of stainless steel rusting.
I use stainless steel almost exclusively and have *never* had a rust
issue.
Revereware pots and pans.

G.

Julie Bove

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Jan 10, 2014, 8:42:27 AM1/10/14

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"White Spirit" <wsp...@homechoice.co.uk> wrote in message
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Um uh wha? Metals do melt!

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 8:46:02 AM1/10/14

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On 10/01/2014 13:40, Gary wrote:

> White Spirit wrote:

>> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
>> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
>> steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
>> dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.

> Salt dispenser in your dishwasher? That's a new one to me.

Dishwasher salt is commonly available in the UK so I assume it's normal.
There are all-in-one tablets that contain salt already. It's used to
counteract the hardness of water.

> Also, never heard of stainless steel rusting.

It isn't truly stainless.

> I use stainless steel almost exclusively and have *never* had a rust
> issue.

If you put them in a dishwasher with the salt dispenser set too high,
you will.

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 8:47:22 AM1/10/14

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What have you owned that is made of metal that melted?

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Nancy Young

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:10:02 AM1/10/14

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On 1/10/2014 8:40 AM, Gary wrote:
> White Spirit wrote:
>>
>> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
>> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
>> steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
>> dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.
>
>
> Salt dispenser in your dishwasher? That's a new one to me.

Looking around, I see that some Miele machines have a dispenser
for water softener salt.

I've seen what affect hard water has in a dishwasher, and how
easily it was corrected by using the Finish or Cascade pods,
doesn't seem like water softener would be necessary.

nancy

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:11:03 AM1/10/14

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> of course they are. I wasn't being ironic.

I would have said sarcastic. My new frying pan certainly isn't ironic
so I won't have problems with it rusting in the dishwasher.

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:12:55 AM1/10/14

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On 10/01/2014 14:10, Nancy Young wrote:

> I've seen what affect hard water has in a dishwasher, and how
> easily it was corrected by using the Finish or Cascade pods,
> doesn't seem like water softener would be necessary.

It's not necessary strictly speaking because there are tablets that
contain salt and rinse aid. However, the environmentally friendly
tablets that I prefer require separate salt to be used.

Gary

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:18:29 AM1/10/14

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White Spirit wrote:
>
> On 10/01/2014 13:40, Gary wrote:
> > Also, never heard of stainless steel rusting.
>
> It isn't truly stainless.

Try the Revereware then, it is truly stainless steel, with copper clad
bottoms. It's cheap cookware but I've used it almost exclusively for
almost 40 years. It works fine for me and never a rust issue or a
problem cooking with it/them. I have 4 frying pans and about a dozen
different sized pots.

> If you put them in a dishwasher with the salt dispenser set too high,
> you will.

I'll bet you're wrong there with what I use. No rust - ever,
dishwasher or hand washing or neglecting them for days.

G.

Phil Cook

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:31:44 AM1/10/14

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On 10/01/2014 13:46, White Spirit wrote:
> On 10/01/2014 13:40, Gary wrote:
>
>> White Spirit wrote:
>
>>> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
>>> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease.

If it's discredited why are you worrying?

>> I use stainless steel almost exclusively and have *never* had a rust
>> issue.
>
> If you put them in a dishwasher with the salt dispenser set too high,
> you will.

Well turn it down then. :-)
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Helpful person

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:34:20 AM1/10/14

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Of courser metals melt. A standard Oven can
easily reach over 500 degrees F. Hotter
temperatures are experienced directly over the
stove burners; gas or electric.

Sorry for the bad news.

http://www.richardfisher.com

Janet

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:37:36 AM1/10/14

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It's a troll

Newsgroups: uk.politics.misc, rec.food.cooking

On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:34:53 +0000, White Spirit
<wsp...@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:

>On 10/01/2014 10:02, yttiw wrote:
>
>> Steer clear of rec.food.cooking.
>
>> It is ruled by a clique of smug, arrogant barstewards who consider
that
>> anything they do not know is not worth knowing and anything they do
not
>> do is not worth doing.
>
>I know. That's exactly why I went there :)
>
>> Basically it is just a vehicle for massaging each others egos, with a
>> subtle bit of latent sexuality thrown in for good measure (but not
too
>> obvious - mind, or they will begin to mention the superior qualities
of
>> their respective spouses, ad infintum).
>
>That's the sort of group I like to stir up. I consider it a public
>service. I am now so widely killfiled that I consider the group pwned.

Cindy Hamilton

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:38:09 AM1/10/14

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In article <dASzu.197881$gh2.1...@fx24.iad>,

White Spirit <wsp...@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:
>On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>
>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>
>That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt.

Solder does, at quite a low temperature.

>Even if temperature was a
>problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees and
>that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.

That's 338-446 F, which is 170-230 Celsius, lower than the temperature
of your oven. The hob probably gets much hotter at the point of
contact with the pan.

Let us know how this works out for you. Post pictures for us.

Cindy Hamilton
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Thomas

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:45:22 AM1/10/14

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On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:47:22 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:
> What have you owned that is made of metal that melted?

http://www.saltlakemetals.com/MeltingPoints.htm

Ophelia

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:51:44 AM1/10/14

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"Mike.. . . ." <junkfo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Following a post by Nancy Young

>
>>Looking around, I see that some Miele machines have a dispenser
>>for water softener salt.
>

> when I had a dishwasher, it had a salt reservoir. This was years ago.

Mine does but I have never used it because the water up here is so soft
already

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White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 10:07:02 AM1/10/14

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On 10/01/2014 14:37, Gannet wrote:

> It's a troll

And a pretty successful one at that.

B. Server

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Jan 10, 2014, 10:10:49 AM1/10/14

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:07:23 +0000, Mike.. . . .
<junkfo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Following a post by White Spirit
>
>>>> Anyway, it arrived this morning and I am looking forward to trying it
>>>> out to-night.
>>
>>> fascinating!
>>
>>I'm not sure what engendered that response. Cooking utensils are
>>perfectly on-topic.
>

>of course they are. I wasn't being ironic.

...particularly ones that are likely to melt and very likley contain
lead. Ideal cooking utensils.

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 10:29:11 AM1/10/14

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English pewter doesn't contain lead. It hasn't since 1971.

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Ed Pawlowski

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Jan 10, 2014, 10:44:00 AM1/10/14

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On 1/10/2014 7:57 AM, White Spirit wrote:
> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited

> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
> steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the

> dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high. Anyway,
> to make a nice change, I thought I would buy a frying pan made of
> English pewter as it is lead-free and none of the elements used in the
> alloy are considered toxic.
>
> I was very dismayed that pewter frying pans appear to be completely
> unavailable.

> Who knows, this could start a new trend.

Doubt it. Melting point is too low. 340F to about 450F. It is about
92% to 94% tin.

Aluminum, depending on the alloy can be double that, cast iron 4X that.

No way would I try to sear a steak in pewter, or much of anything else.

Ed Pawlowski

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Jan 10, 2014, 10:48:45 AM1/10/14

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The oven goes to 250C or 482F, past the melting point.

Metals do melt. They change to a liquid, just like that metal Mercury
that has a very low melting point.

Ed Pawlowski

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Jan 10, 2014, 10:52:27 AM1/10/14

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On 1/10/2014 8:40 AM, Gary wrote:

> Salt dispenser in your dishwasher? That's a new one to me.

Some small counter top units have them. Not sure about built in, but it
is mostly a Europe thing.

> Also, never heard of stainless steel rusting.
> I use stainless steel almost exclusively and have *never* had a rust
> issue.
> Revereware pots and pans.

My guess is pitting, not rust.

>

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 10:46:31 AM1/10/14

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On 10/01/2014 15:30, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:37:36 -0000, Janet wrote:

>> It's a troll

> Another reason why they yanked his accounts at Eternal-September
> earlier this week.

I consider it a badge of honour.

jmcquown

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Jan 10, 2014, 11:08:47 AM1/10/14

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On 1/10/2014 9:34 AM, Helpful person wrote:
> On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:28:41 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:
>> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>>
>>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>>
>> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt. Even if temperature was a
>> problem, the oven only goes to about two hundred and fifty degrees and
>> that's in an enclosed space so the pan should be fine on the hob.
>

> Of course metals melt. A standard Oven can

> easily reach over 500 degrees F. Hotter
> temperatures are experienced directly over the
> stove burners; gas or electric.
>
> Sorry for the bad news.
>

Look who you're replying to to get your answer. (And thank you for
snipping the cross-posting.)

Metals don't melt... really? So the OP is saying metal just magically
turns itself into pots & pans? ;)

Jill

Dave Smith

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Jan 10, 2014, 11:15:03 AM1/10/14

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On 2014-01-10 8:28 AM, White Spirit wrote:
> On 10/01/2014 13:25, Helpful person wrote:
>
>> Are you aware that the melting point of pewter is
>> around 338 - 446 F (according to Wikipedia)?
>
> That doesn't make sense - metals don't melt.

Did they teach you any physics at the school the short bus took you to?

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 11:17:45 AM1/10/14

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I was top of my class in social engineering.

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jmcquown

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Jan 10, 2014, 11:39:09 AM1/10/14

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On 1/10/2014 11:19 AM, Mike.. . . . wrote:
> Following a post by Ed Pawlowski

>
>> Melting point is too low. 340F to about 450F. It is about
>> 92% to 94% tin.
>

> My oven goes to 590F. Hmmm, should I renege on the no sarcasm?
>
[cross-posting snipped]

Probably. :) The OP (White Spirit) is a troll.

Jill

dsi1

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Jan 10, 2014, 12:37:02 PM1/10/14

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On 1/10/2014 2:57 AM, White Spirit wrote:
> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
> steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
> dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high. Anyway,
> to make a nice change, I thought I would buy a frying pan made of
> English pewter as it is lead-free and none of the elements used in the
> alloy are considered toxic.
>
> I was very dismayed that pewter frying pans appear to be completely

> unavailable. I hunted high and low for one but to no avail so I found a
> metalworker who agreed to create one for me for a fairly reasonable
> price. He was quite amused at my insistence on having one and seemed to
> think I was being a trifle obsessive but I thought it would make a nice
> addition to my kitchen.

>
> Anyway, it arrived this morning and I am looking forward to trying it

> out to-night. The metalworker did a very nice job and seems to be
> taking more of an interest now because he left a note telling me to make
> sure I let him know how I get on with it.

>
> Who knows, this could start a new trend.

I like pewter. They used to make many things out of it because it was so
easy to cast. Pewter has the unusual property of not tarnishing. Tell
your new friend to make you some plates and utensils out of the stuff.
Now that could start a trend because the metal is so retro and retro is
in. OTOH, I think there's a good chance the stuff will have lead because
it's eminently recyclable.

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Jan 10, 2014, 1:13:39 PM1/10/14

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Nancy Young <rjynly...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 1/10/2014 8:40 AM, Gary wrote:

>> White Spirit wrote:
>>>
>>> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely
>>> discredited hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers'
>>> disease. Stainless steel is nice but I have had problems with them
>>> rusting in the dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser
>>> set too high.
>>
>>

>> Salt dispenser in your dishwasher? That's a new one to me.
>

> Looking around, I see that some Miele machines have a dispenser
> for water softener salt.

What kind of salt is the question. I doubt it's the same as throwing in a
tablespoon of table salt.

>
> I've seen what affect hard water has in a dishwasher, and how
> easily it was corrected by using the Finish or Cascade pods,
> doesn't seem like water softener would be necessary.
>
> nancy

The Finish Quantums are excellent. Haven't used the Cascade pods. I've also
used vinegar in the rinse agent dispenser.

Have you found that while the premium pods get the dishes spotlessly clean,
they tend to leave a brownish residue coating the inside of the dishwasher?

This is cleaned off by running it empty with a tablespoon or so of citric
acid.

MartyB

el Crepusculo

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Jan 10, 2014, 1:15:43 PM1/10/14

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On 1/10/2014 8:30 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Another reason why they yanked his accounts at Eternal-September
> earlier this week.

Lol, NOT...

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6261280768/hF841D887/

el Crepusculo

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Jan 10, 2014, 1:17:49 PM1/10/14

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https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6261280768/hF841D887/

RustyHinge

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Jan 10, 2014, 1:17:54 PM1/10/14

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On 10/01/14 12:57, White Spirit wrote:

> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
> steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
> dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.

Not decent stainless steel, then.

> Anyway,
> to make a nice change, I thought I would buy a frying pan made of
> English pewter as it is lead-free and none of the elements used in the
> alloy are considered toxic.

English pewter is mainly lead, with some tin, and sometimes other
elements like abtimony and copper. (Old pewter also contains silver)

> I was very dismayed that pewter frying pans appear to be completely
> unavailable.

It doesn't surprise me - it would melt.

> I hunted high and low for one but to no avail so I found a
> metalworker who agreed to create one for me for a fairly reasonable
> price. He was quite amused at my insistence on having one and seemed to
> think I was being a trifle obsessive but I thought it would make a nice
> addition to my kitchen.

I am quite amused too. Are you _sure_ you mean pewter?

> Anyway, it arrived this morning and I am looking forward to trying it
> out to-night. The metalworker did a very nice job and seems to be
> taking more of an interest now because he left a note telling me to make
> sure I let him know how I get on with it.

I look forward to hearing...

> Who knows, this could start a new trend.

I very much doubt it. It reminds me of spoons made of Wood's metal.

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

RustyHinge

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Jan 10, 2014, 1:18:52 PM1/10/14

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On 10/01/14 13:16, White Spirit wrote:
> On 10/01/2014 13:06, Mike.. . . . wrote:
>
>> Following a post by White Spirit

>
>>> Anyway, it arrived this morning and I am looking forward to trying it
>>> out to-night.
>

>> fascinating!
>
> I'm not sure what engendered that response. Cooking utensils are
> perfectly on-topic.

Well, it _is_ fascinating.

Nunya Bidnits

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Jan 10, 2014, 1:27:32 PM1/10/14

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It's not just magic. You have to hold your mouth right.

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Jan 10, 2014, 1:51:29 PM1/10/14

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Then you should know that Googling "pewter frying pans" will bring
the desired results that you seek.
You are a champion SPAMMER and renowned about the land.
===

DreadfulBitch

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Jan 10, 2014, 1:54:16 PM1/10/14

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Thank you for the belly laugh!!

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.....Steven Wright

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Jan 10, 2014, 2:21:54 PM1/10/14

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On 10/01/2014 18:54, Drew Lawson wrote:

> In article <q0Uzu.224437$Rp6....@fx15.iad>
> White Spirit <wsp...@homechoice.co.uk> writes:

>> On 10/01/2014 14:37, Gannet wrote:

>>> It's a troll

>> And a pretty successful one at that.

> Much more successful that I would have expected. Just the right
> level of nonsense to be blatant, but not so much (apparently) as
> to be obvious. Even after "metals don't melt," it was fun to watch.

I thought so. I don't see what the problem with providing mutual
entertainment should be, but I do note that the people who get fooled
are often less likely to be amused.

RustyHinge

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Jan 10, 2014, 2:22:04 PM1/10/14

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On 10/01/14 15:52, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/10/2014 8:40 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>> Salt dispenser in your dishwasher? That's a new one to me.
>

> Some small counter top units have them. Not sure about built in, but it
> is mostly a Europe thing.
>
>
>
>> Also, never heard of stainless steel rusting.
>> I use stainless steel almost exclusively and have *never* had a rust
>> issue.
>> Revereware pots and pans.
>
>
> My guess is pitting, not rust.

Pitting (in iron or steel) is caused by rust.

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 2:23:41 PM1/10/14

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On 10/01/2014 18:10, graham wrote:

> "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:bjam1g...@mid.individual.net...

>> Probably. :) The OP (White Spirit) is a troll.

> Well he certainly appears to be intellectually challenged!
> Graham

Here's a challenge: my academic qualifications up against yours.

My prediction is that you'll decline.

graham

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"White Spirit" <wsp...@homechoice.co.uk> wrote in message
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I say old chap, keep your fantasies to yourself!
Graham

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 2:33:01 PM1/10/14

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On 10/01/2014 19:26, graham wrote:

> I say old chap, keep your fantasies to yourself!

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Jan 10, 2014, 2:57:50 PM1/10/14

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On 10/01/14 19:16, White Spirit wrote:
> On 10/01/2014 18:17, RustyHinge wrote:
>
>> English pewter is mainly lead, with some tin, and sometimes other
>> elements like abtimony and copper. (Old pewter also contains silver)
>
> That's wrong:

No it's not.

RustyHinge

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Jan 10, 2014, 3:05:36 PM1/10/14

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It was fun while it lasted.

Who turned the gas up?

Helpful person

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Jan 10, 2014, 3:08:14 PM1/10/14

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On Friday, January 10, 2014 2:34:25 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> Next thing you know this person will say you can't make glass out of
> sand. ;)
>
> Jill

You can't, at least not good glass.

Je�us

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Jan 10, 2014, 3:14:22 PM1/10/14

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:57:56 +0000, White Spirit
<wsp...@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:

>I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
>hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
>steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
>dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.

>Anyway, to make a nice change, I thought I would buy a frying pan made
>of English pewter as it is lead-free and none of the elements used in
>the alloy are considered toxic.
>

>I was very dismayed that pewter frying pans appear to be completely

>unavailable. I hunted high and low for one but to no avail so I found a

>metalworker who agreed to create one for me for a fairly reasonable
>price. He was quite amused at my insistence on having one and seemed to
>think I was being a trifle obsessive but I thought it would make a nice
>addition to my kitchen.
>

>Anyway, it arrived this morning and I am looking forward to trying it
>out to-night. The metalworker did a very nice job and seems to be
>taking more of an interest now because he left a note telling me to make
>sure I let him know how I get on with it.
>

>Who knows, this could start a new trend.

Yeah. I can see why you lost your eternal-sept account.

el Crepusculo

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Jan 10, 2014, 3:16:04 PM1/10/14

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Don't you have some wabbits to kill?

Je�us

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Jan 10, 2014, 3:16:43 PM1/10/14

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:30:48 -0600, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 14:37:36 -0000, Janet wrote:
>
>> It's a troll
>

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Jan 10, 2014, 3:29:19 PM1/10/14

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You just lost the challenge.

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Jan 10, 2014, 3:44:35 PM1/10/14

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On Friday, January 10, 2014 3:23:49 PM UTC-5, Mike..... wrote:
>
> I have a pewter tankard (very old) I tried it for beer but I felt it
> tainted the beer, might be my imagination.
>
> Mike... . . . .

It tainted your imagination?

Dave Smith

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Jan 10, 2014, 3:55:55 PM1/10/14

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On 2014-01-10 2:33 PM, White Spirit wrote:

> Don't be bitter; you got reeled in by an 'intellectually challenged'
> troll who outsmarted you. Accept it, learn to laugh at yourself (I know
> I did) and move on.

You laughed at yourself. That is nice. Some of us laughed at you too.
Not with you.

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Jan 10, 2014, 5:26:25 PM1/10/14

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On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:02:32 +0000, RustyHinge
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>On 10/01/14 20:14, Je�us wrote:
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>> Yeah. I can see why you lost your eternal-sept account.
>
>Which is why he's posting through it ATM?

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On 06/01/2014 13:42, ~BD~ wrote:

> Incubus wrote:

>> My account registered to this address has been deleted and my usual nym
>> apparently banned due to 'internal policy'. I am a bit suprised that
>> this has happened as I have been careful never to violate Eternal
>> September's terms of service and I received no warning about my
>> behaviour as per the FAQ.

> May I suggest that you register again.

> That's probably the best route.

I tried but after one successful post to alt.english.usage, the new
account was similarly blocked so I get the impression that a decision
was made to ban me and is being enforced. I have been using this
service for many years and never had a problem before so I don't
really
understand why there is one now. Usenet can be quite murky on
occasion
but I haven't stepped outside the boundaries of what is acceptable on
any group.

My nym, 'White Spirit', has specifically been blocked as well, hence
my
reverting to a previous one from many years ago.

Lucille

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Jan 10, 2014, 6:13:35 PM1/10/14

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On Friday, January 10, 2014 7:57:56 AM UTC-5, White Spirit wrote:
> I was worried about using aluminium pans due to the widely discredited
>

> hypothesis that aluminium pans can cause Alzheimers' disease. Stainless
>
> steel is nice but I have had problems with them rusting in the
>
> dishwasher because I often have the salt dispenser set too high.
>
> Anyway, to make a nice change, I thought I would buy a frying pan made
>
> of English pewter as it is lead-free and none of the elements used in
>
> the alloy are considered toxic.
>
>
>
> I was very dismayed that pewter frying pans appear to be completely
>
> unavailable. I hunted high and low for one but to no avail so I found a
>
> metalworker who agreed to create one for me for a fairly reasonable
>
> price. He was quite amused at my insistence on having one and seemed to
>
> think I was being a trifle obsessive but I thought it would make a nice
>
> addition to my kitchen.
>
>
>
> Anyway, it arrived this morning and I am looking forward to trying it
>
> out to-night. The metalworker did a very nice job and seems to be
>
> taking more of an interest now because he left a note telling me to make
>
> sure I let him know how I get on with it.
>
>
>
> Who knows, this could start a new trend.

I never heard of pewter pans. Let us know how you like cooking with it.

Lucille

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 7:32:38 PM1/10/14

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On 10/01/14 20:24, Je�us wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:07:02 +0000, White Spirit
> <wsp...@homechoice.co.uk> wrote:

>> On 10/01/2014 14:37, Gannet wrote:

>>> It's a troll

>> And a pretty successful one at that.

> It was transparently obvious.

That must explain why so many people swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

White Spirit

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Jan 10, 2014, 7:37:25 PM1/10/14

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On 10/01/14 19:57, RustyHinge wrote:

> On 10/01/14 19:16, White Spirit wrote:

>> On 10/01/2014 18:17, RustyHinge wrote:

>>> English pewter is mainly lead, with some tin, and sometimes other
>>> elements like abtimony and copper. (Old pewter also contains silver)

>> That's wrong:

> No it's not.

Yes it is and what's more it is an established standard.

dsi1

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Jan 10, 2014, 7:52:33 PM1/10/14

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On 1/10/2014 9:38 AM, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 10/01/14 17:37, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> I like pewter. They used to make many things out of it because it was so
>> easy to cast. Pewter has the unusual property of not tarnishing. Tell
>> your new friend to make you some plates and utensils out of the stuff.
>> Now that could start a trend because the metal is so retro and retro is
>> in. OTOH, I think there's a good chance the stuff will have lead because
>> it's eminently recyclable.
>
> What is sold as 'pewter' these days is _not_ pewter, but an alloy of
> tin, antimony, bismuth and copper. (More like Britannia Metal)

Pewter, to me, is mostly tin with copper and lead. I don't know about
that other new stuff.

>
> Alloys always melt at a temperature below that of the melting-point of
> the component with the lowest one. The more metals you add, the lower
> the melting-point will be.
>
> (See eutectic mixtures.)

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Jan 10, 2014, 8:39:46 PM1/10/14

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On 11/01/14 01:13, Mike.. . . . wrote:

> Following a post by White Spirit

>>> Am I missing something? Where was Graham "reeled in" , exactly?

>> He felt compelled to reply.

> He called you, not the same thing.

He got involved in the thread so by what stretch of the imagination
wasn't he reeled in?

Pico Rico

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:11:15 PM1/10/14

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hey, they fall for Julie, too.

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Jan 10, 2014, 9:52:54 PM1/10/14

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On 1/10/2014 8:13 PM, Mike.. . . . wrote:
> Following a post by White Spirit
>

>>> Am I missing something? Where was Graham "reeled in" , exactly?
>>
>> He felt compelled to reply.
>

> He called you, not the same thing.
>

It's a curious thing about trolls. There are a lot of stupid people that
pop into and habituate news groups. While some get dumped on for bring
nasty to the stupid people, it is sometimes hard to tell if the person
is really that stupid or if they are just stupid trolls.