(2007-11-25) New survey on the RFC site: Lap-Bands
ChattyCathy
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Cheers
Chatty Cathy
Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible
Julia Altshuler
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
I flipped a coin. There are some things that we've never experienced
that we can imagine experiencing. The sort of obesity that would compel
a person to undergo life risking cosmetic surgery isn't one of them for
me. I have a friend who had it. She went through hell, survived, and
emerged to a better life. I was against it all the way, then had to
admit that I didn't know what it was like to be her, never had the
experience of meeting a guy online, develop an attachment, then have the
jerk get up and walk away after the first 5 minutes of seeing her in
person. I'd never had a best friend apologetically tell me that I
couldn't be in her wedding party. I didn't know what it was for guys
not to be attracted to me. (I've experienced that on an individual
basis, never en masse.) I never underwent years of diets and therapy
and then wake up to the knowledge that I'd probably never marry because
men just aren't attracted to 300 pound women. (Part of me stays angry
at the men who strike me as shallow, then I ask myself how I'd feel if
someone told me I had to be attracted to someone I'm not.)
--Lia
JoeSpareBedroom
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I'm glad you added that last sentence. It's OK for women to have physical
preferences, but not men, according to some out-of-whack women I've spoken
to.
Sheldon
> ChattyCathy wrote:
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> I flipped a coin. �There are some things that we've never experienced
> that we can imagine experiencing. �The sort of obesity that would compel
> a person to undergo life risking cosmetic surgery isn't one of them for
> me. �I have a friend who had it. �She went through hell, survived, and
> emerged to a better life. �I was against it all the way, then had to
> admit that I didn't know what it was like to be her, never had the
> experience of meeting a guy online, develop an attachment, then have the
> jerk get up and walk away after the first 5 minutes of seeing her in
> person. �I'd never had a best friend apologetically tell me that I
> couldn't be in her wedding party. �I didn't know what it was for guys
> not to be attracted to me. �(I've experienced that on an individual
> basis, never en masse.) �I never underwent years of diets and therapy
> and then wake up to the knowledge that I'd probably never marry because
There are just as many 300 pound men.
(Part of me stays angry
> at the men who strike me as shallow, then I ask myself how I'd feel if
> someone told me I had to be attracted to someone I'm not.)
There are just as many shallow women, with that statement you for
instance. Far more men are rejected by women.
Being over weight is no excuse for not finding someone with whom to
have a relationship. One needs to be reaslistic concerning their
limitations... I spent many years hoping Raquel Welsh and Sophia Loren
would find me attractive... yes, I wanted both, together! ;)
Perhaps your friend is unreasonable, perhaps she thinks she should
have a relationship with some Hollywood movie star stud.
Old Belize saying: There's a stick for every broom.
Sheldon
Julia Altshuler
>
> There are just as many 300 pound men.
I gave, for my example, a female because my friend, in reality, is
female. I could switch the pronouns around and come to the same
conclusions.
--Lia
Dan Abel
ChattyCathy <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
I had never heard of it. I did a quick Google search.
I'm not sure that losing 100 pounds would be a good idea for me. That
would leave me at 70 pounds, not good for someone who is 6'2".
I knew someone who had her stomach stapled. She lost the weight, but
there were major diet changes in her life.
Steve Pope
>Sheldon wrote:
I think it's fair to say that society promotes shallow attitudes
about weight, beauty, and health. Neither sex is particularly at
fault more than the other.
Steve
Sheldon
Unless you're making a point at humor totally removing one point from
context is the same as being a smarmy liar... and I see no humor from
you in this post.
Sheldon
With beauty (a very subjective quality) I think society holds females
to a higher standard. But with weight and health I think judgement is
equal for both sexes.
Wayne Boatwright
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:01:24 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> I suspect a lot of people who don't need to lose weight
> answered 'no'.
>
> =sw
>
Should probably have been prefaced with, "if you needed to lose a
significant amount of weight," since that's the primary criteria for
qualifying for bariatric surgery.
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Steve Pope
>Old Belize saying: There's a stick for every broom.
There's a neighborhood in Brooklyn called "Belize"??
S.
Dave Smith
>
>
> > I think it's fair to say that society promotes shallow attitudes
> > about weight, beauty, and health. �Neither sex is particularly at
> > fault more than the other.
>
> With beauty (a very subjective quality) I think society holds females
> to a higher standard. But with weight and health I think judgement is
> equal for both sexes.
I don't think I am nit picking here. I thought that we were talking about
morbidly obese, not pleasantly plump.
I resent hearing women blaming men for eating disorders that cause women to
become so skeletal that their health is endangered, because that IMO is
more a matter of their own ideals about being thin. Most mean prefer hips,
a nice bum and some boobage, not a skinny little bag of bones.
Pete C.
I don't think there is anything "shallow" about not finding someone
attractive, for whatever reason. If you don't find them attractive,
that's all there is to it, it's entirely subjective. Personally, I
require both beauty and brains. Would it be "shallow" to reject a drop
dead gorgeous air head?
Steve Pope
>Steve Pope wrote:
>> I think it's fair to say that society promotes shallow attitudes
>> about weight, beauty, and health. Neither sex is particularly at
>> fault more than the other.
>I don't think there is anything "shallow" about not finding someone
>attractive, for whatever reason. If you don't find them attractive,
>that's all there is to it, it's entirely subjective. Personally, I
>require both beauty and brains. Would it be "shallow" to reject a drop
>dead gorgeous air head?
If I can make a distinction here, I'm talking about attitudes
towards beauty as opposed to individual instances of attraction
and non-attraction.
Steve
Sheldon
> Sheldon wrote:
> >
> >Old Belize saying: There's a stick for every broom.
>
> There's a neighborhood in Brooklyn called "Belize"??
>
> S.
Patronizing prick red neck... If you weren't such a wet behind the
ears newbie you'd know I lived in Belize City, Belize C. A.
Pete C.
Well, those attitudes are based on the qualities that the bulk of the
population find attractive, and like it or not, politically correct or
not, the bulk of the population finds those who are significantly
overweight unattractive. And yes, those attitudes do shift over time,
but even the oft cited victorian era beauty ideals fall in the "chubby"
range, not the "morbidly obese" range that is so prevalent these days.
Sheldon
> Sheldon wrote:
>
> > > I think it's fair to say that society promotes shallow attitudes
> > > about weight, beauty, and health. �Neither sex is particularly at
> > > fault more than the other.
>
> > With beauty (a very subjective quality) I think society holds females
> > to a higher standard. But with weight and health I think judgement is
> > equal for both sexes.
>
> I don't think I am nit picking here. I thought that we were talking about
> morbidly obese, not pleasantly plump.
I replied to Julia's post where she mentioned 300 pounds... to me that
is beyond pleasing plump to obese, not morbidly obese but definitely
obese. Now there is no reason an obese women or even a morbidly obese
woman can't be considered pretty/beautiful. I've seen some thin women
who I consider down right ugli. Like I said, beauty has nothing to do
with weight. And that's only the outside of the package... I've met
plenty of outwardly gorgeous women, and men, who inside by comparison
made an unflushed commode look beautiful. There are plenty of rfc'ers
who I've no ideas how they look but I know that inside they are more
disgusting than fetid excrement.
Sheldon
Sheldon
That would depend upon which one of you had the obese bank account.
Sheldon
Cindi - HappyMamatoThree
"ChattyCathy" <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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I felt a little weird about being able to give a good answer. I would not
consider a lap band, not because of some fundamental disagreement with the
practice or it's sucess rate, or..... well you know. I can't consider it
because I have had a gastric bypass. I am very happy with my results for a
wide variety of reasons.
Cindi
Wayne Boatwright
say...
CIndi, I'm glad that you've had success with gastric bypass and are happy
with it. How long ago did you have your surgery?
--
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Date: Nov(XI) 26(XXVI),2007(MMVII)
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Nancy Young
"Cindi - HappyMamatoThree" <lonnicusu...@yahoo.com> wrote
> I felt a little weird about being able to give a good answer. I would not
> consider a lap band, not because of some fundamental disagreement with the
> practice or it's sucess rate, or..... well you know. I can't consider it
> because I have had a gastric bypass. I am very happy with my results for a
> wide variety of reasons.
How interesting. I'm happy it worked out for you. My answer
was a little weird, too ... I said No I wouldn't get it but not because
I think anything bad about it, but because of my medical procedure
phobia.
nancy
ChattyCathy
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:01:24 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> I suspect a lot of people who don't need to lose weight
> answered 'no'.
Maybe, but ...even if I weighed in at 500 lbs I'd still say "no". I'm
one of those types that is scared of needles, never mind any kind of
surgery - and this looks waaaay to risky for me.
Dan Abel
spo...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
Fat people die. They die sooner than thin people. That's where the
term "morbidly obese" comes from. Morbid obesity is diagnosed by a
doctor, not by "society".
From my dictionary:
morbid |?m?rb?d| |?m?rb?d| |?m??b?d|
adjective
1 characterized by or appealing to an abnormal and unhealthy interest in
disturbing and unpleasant subjects, esp. death and disease : he had long
held a morbid fascination with the horrors of contemporary warfare.
2 Medicine of the nature of or indicative of disease : the treatment of
morbid obesity.
Of course, that brings up the question as to whether this surgery
contributes to health, or is just another risk factor. I have my
suspicions.
Sheldon
> ChattyCathy wrote:
> >http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>
> I suspect a lot of people who don't need to lose weight
> answered 'no'.
I suspect there are those who do need to lose weight who also answered
likewise.
Right now on Fox News, they are discussing airline seating and whether
to implement a "Tubby Tax" (their term, not mine).
Sheldon
Boron Elgar
What suspicions are those and upon what are they based?
Weight loss surgery is usually only preformed on those who have a BMI
of over 40, or 35 or more with co-morbidities. Over 40 is considered
morbidly obese.
In the article below, the numbers in brackets refer to the footnotes
after the article.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/564952
In 2004, in 22,094 patients, the operative (= or <30 day) mortality
for bariatric surgery was 0.1% for the restrictive procedures of
gastric banding and vertical banded gastroplasty, 0.5% for gastric
bypass and 1.1% for biliopancreatic diversion/duodenal switch.[11]
Recently, we have performed a meta-analysis confined to mortality data
of bariatric surgery in 85,048 patients with comparable findings and
with extension of analysis to 30 days (or more) to 2 years.[101]
Again, extremely low mortality for bariatric surgery was recorded in
comparison with other major operative procedures performed in the
USA.[102] All in all, these findings are in keeping with comparative
population-based and database studies.[103–106]
A growing amount of evidence relates increased longevity with
successful bariatric surgery. In the Swedish Obesity Subjects study in
diabetic patients, an 80% decrease in the annual mortality has been
demonstrated in the surgical weight-loss group.[95] The obese diabetic
patients in the surgery group had a 9% mortality at 9 years; whereas,
the control group had a 28% mortality, with most deaths related to
cardiovascular disease. In a comparable study, McDonald et al.
reported that diabetic patients treated with an oral hypoglycemic had
a 4.5% mortality rate for every 9 years of follow-up, compared with a
1% mortality rate in diabetic patients who underwent gastric
bypass.[84] In 1035 bariatric surgery patients compared with 5746
control patients, with a 5-year follow-up, Christou reported a
reduction in the relative risk of death of 89% (95% CI: 73–76%), with
an absolute mortality reduction of 5.49% (p > 0.001).[107] Recently,
six additional studies have confirmed an increase in patient longevity
after bariatric surgery
Cindi - HappyMamatoThree
"Wayne Boatwright" <waynebo...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Oh pshaw, on Sun 25 Nov 2007 11:43:03p, Cindi - HappyMamatoThree meant to
> say...
>
>>
>> "ChattyCathy" <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote in message
>> news:KLi2j.44$tS1...@fe115.usenetserver.com...
>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com/ --
>>> Cheers
>>> Chatty Cathy
>>
>> I felt a little weird about being able to give a good answer. I would not
>> consider a lap band, not because of some fundamental disagreement with
> the
>> practice or it's sucess rate, or..... well you know. I can't consider it
>> because I have had a gastric bypass. I am very happy with my results for
> a
>> wide variety of reasons.
>>
>> Cindi
>>
>>>
>>> Garlic: the element without which life as we know it would be impossible
>>
>>
>
> CIndi, I'm glad that you've had success with gastric bypass and are happy
> with it. How long ago did you have your surgery?
My surgery was in May of 2006. You didn't ask but I have lost a total of 160
pounds at this point and I am very happy with where I am now. After over 35
surgeries this was one of those decisions that meant life or death, so I
made it, and I wouldn't go back.
Cindi
Julia Altshuler
>
> My surgery was in May of 2006. You didn't ask but I have lost a total of 160
> pounds at this point and I am very happy with where I am now. After over 35
> surgeries this was one of those decisions that meant life or death, so I
> made it, and I wouldn't go back.
If you don't mind a personal question (and please ignore me or let me
know if you do), what's a typical day like now in terms of food intake
and activity? What and how much is for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and snack?
--Lia
Dan Abel
Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:40:24 -0800, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >Of course, that brings up the question as to whether this surgery
> >contributes to health, or is just another risk factor. I have my
> >suspicions.
>
> What suspicions are those and upon what are they based?
Absolutely nothing. I had a question and a suspicion. You have
answered both. Thanks for the info. I hope I will never have to give
advice on this, but if I do, I now have real information. Thanks.
Cindi - HappyMamatoThree
"Julia Altshuler" <jalts...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I really don't mind to ask believe it or not. I have about a 4 to 6 ounce
stomach. Meals are about 75% to 80% protein. Today breakfast was cottage
cheese and half a small apple with a big glass of water, other options might
me string cheese, turkey bacon sometimes, a couple of scrambled eggs,
occasionally I have a piece of toast since bread is not off limits anymore
but bread and pasta and white potatoes and corn are incredibly hard for me
to digest. Morning snack is usually a string cheese. Lunch is usually
homemade refried beans with fresh salsa over a handful of shredded lettuce
with a spoonful of lowfat sour cream. An afternoon snack is something
protein, a boiled egg, a couple of slices of cheddar, something like that.
And supper I just eat whatever I have cooked for everyone else. Just smaller
portions, heavy on protein, and rarely anything desserty.
Being as far out as I am from surgery nothing is reallly "off limits" except
what my body has said is "off limits". I cook what my family loves. If I
make dessert, I taste it, have a couple of spoonfuls.
Because of a very detailed medical history there are lots of limits and
requirements for me that are not the standard for gastric bypass patients.
However, now I am pretty much back to living in the real world when it comes
to foods and meals. I just know what is good for me and what my body can
take.
You are welcome to ask anything you want to now. There are so few people who
discuss their whole journey through GBS it's nice when people are willing to
ask questions to understand.
Cindi
>
>
> --Lia
>
Dan Abel
"Cindi - HappyMamatoThree" <lonnicusu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Julia Altshuler" <jalts...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:H8KdnaqMWKnWuNba...@comcast.com...
> > Cindi - HappyMamatoThree wrote:
> >> My surgery was in May of 2006. You didn't ask but I have lost a total of
> >> 160 pounds at this point and I am very happy with where I am now. After
> >> over 35 surgeries this was one of those decisions that meant life or
> >> death, so I made it, and I wouldn't go back.
> >
> >
> > If you don't mind a personal question (and please ignore me or let me know
> > if you do), what's a typical day like now in terms of food intake and
> > activity? What and how much is for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and snack?
>
> I really don't mind to ask believe it or not.
I'm glad that it is working for you. I just hope it won't ever happen
to me. You have my best wishes.
Boron Elgar
>In article <ht5mk3hithrte2uu0...@4ax.com>,
> Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:40:24 -0800, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> >Of course, that brings up the question as to whether this surgery
>> >contributes to health, or is just another risk factor. I have my
>> >suspicions.
>>
>> What suspicions are those and upon what are they based?
>
>
>Absolutely nothing. I had a question and a suspicion. You have
>answered both. Thanks for the info. I hope I will never have to give
>advice on this, but if I do, I now have real information. Thanks.
You are very welcome.
Boron
Boron Elgar
<lonnicusu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>My surgery was in May of 2006. You didn't ask but I have lost a total of 160
>pounds at this point and I am very happy with where I am now. After over 35
>surgeries this was one of those decisions that meant life or death, so I
>made it, and I wouldn't go back.
>
>Cindi
>
Congratulations. What you have accomplished is really terrific and I
am sure you've worked hard to get this far.
Keep up the good work!
Boron
Cindi - HappyMamatoThree
"Boron Elgar" <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks. It certainly isn't the "quick easy fix" that lots of people think it
is.
Cindi
>
> Boron
Cindi - HappyMamatoThree
"Dan Abel" <da...@sonic.net> wrote in message
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Thanks. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Those first six months are
nightmarish.
Cindi
PeterLucas
news:n3K2j.71429$YL5....@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net:
>>> >> After
>>> >> over 35 surgeries this was one of those decisions that meant life
>>> >> or death, so I made it, and I wouldn't go back.
> Cindi
What were the 35 surgeries for Cindi?
Cindi - HappyMamatoThree
"PeterLucas" <Pe...@home.com> wrote in message
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Oh man Peter that is a long answer. I would be happy to email it to you but
throwing it up here would probably be more information than anyone else
needs.
Most of them are abdominal from MRSA necrotizing fasiitis when my son was
born.
Cindi
>
Boron Elgar
<lonnicusu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"Boron Elgar" <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:iapmk31rrllab7osj...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:08:13 -0800, "Cindi - HappyMamatoThree"
>> <lonnicusu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My surgery was in May of 2006. You didn't ask but I have lost a total of
>>>160
>>>pounds at this point and I am very happy with where I am now. After over
>>>35
>>>surgeries this was one of those decisions that meant life or death, so I
>>>made it, and I wouldn't go back.
>>>
>>>Cindi
>>>
>>
>> Congratulations. What you have accomplished is really terrific and I
>> am sure you've worked hard to get this far.
>>
>> Keep up the good work!
>
>Thanks. It certainly isn't the "quick easy fix" that lots of people think it
>is.
I know it isn't. I have a brother in law who had it done.
Boron
PeterLucas
Oh.... womans stuff!! That's OK, no need to go further :-)
Hope it's all at an end now.
Cindi - HappyMamatoThree
Actually it's not woman's stuff LOL it was abdominal stuff. And Even without
woman's stuff left I still have abdominal stuff problems. LOL WAY TMI for
most though
Cindi
Wayne Boatwright
say...
You are clearly to be congratulated big time!!! I'm so glad you have had
the determination and dedication to succeed. Not to mention, that it
certainly must have put you in a much healthier state.
--
Wayne Boatwright
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Dee.Dee
>> 160 pounds at this point and I am very happy with where I am now. After
>> over 35 surgeries this was one of those decisions that meant life or
>> death, so I made it, and I wouldn't go back.
>>
>> Cindi
Cindy, you say that you wouldn't go back. Excuse me if I missed it, but was
this a surgery that can be or will be reversed?
I climb the stairs from downstairs dozens of times a day, and I swear I can
tell if I've put on 3 lbs. by the way I pull my body up those steps. You
must feel fantastic about your loss of weight.
Great decision! and I'm glad it's turned out so well for you.
Dee Dee
Cindi - HappyMamatoThree
"Dee.Dee" <deed...@shentel.net> wrote in message
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>>> My surgery was in May of 2006. You didn't ask but I have lost a total of
>>> 160 pounds at this point and I am very happy with where I am now. After
>>> over 35 surgeries this was one of those decisions that meant life or
>>> death, so I made it, and I wouldn't go back.
>>>
>>> Cindi
>
>
> Cindy, you say that you wouldn't go back. Excuse me if I missed it, but
> was this a surgery that can be or will be reversed?
This is not a band, this is gastric bypass. It can, in extreme situations,
be reversed but cannot return you to your pre bypass state.
>
> I climb the stairs from downstairs dozens of times a day, and I swear I
> can tell if I've put on 3 lbs. by the way I pull my body up those steps.
> You must feel fantastic about your loss of weight.
>
> Great decision! and I'm glad it's turned out so well for you.
I feel like a completely different person. I went from 42 pills a day, to at
my worst now 12. My Diabetes is all but resolved meaning my diet completely
controls it and i no longer have to check my sugar regularly. My cholesterol
is excellent. My anemia is finally under coltrol. Though it got much worse
after the surgery due to complications. Overall I am in tremendously better
health now than I was.
It is what helps stay convicted and what keeps me not falling off the wagon.
It's easy to learn to eat "around" this bypass so that you can still take in
as many calories and eat the foods that are not good for you.
Thanks
Cindi
Dee.Dee
"Cindi - HappyMamatoThree" <lonnicusu...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KaO2j.20767Overall I am in tremendously better
> health now than I was.
>
> It is what helps stay convicted and what keeps me not falling off the
> wagon. It's easy to learn to eat "around" this bypass so that you can
> still take in as many calories and eat the foods that are not good for
> you.
>
> Thanks
>
> Cindi
Feeling good itself can keep the wheel turning.
I felt good today and there were workers in the house today and it would've
been easy to get caught up in the chaos; but with some discipline I pulled
it together and made a couple of healthy meals. It would've been easy once
they left to just poof! and lay down in the lounge chair and munch on the
wrong kind of food, but wanting to maintain that good feeling I did (using
some left-over and Sandre Lee techniques ;-)) make another nutrious meal.
Instead of one-day-at-a-time, I guess my motto is one-meal-at-a-time.
Keep it going!
Dee Dee
Julia Altshuler
>
> You are welcome to ask anything you want to now. There are so few people who
> discuss their whole journey through GBS it's nice when people are willing to
> ask questions to understand.
Thanks. How many calories would you say you get in a day? That's what
I'm most curious about, whether you can live on what you eat.
(Obviously you can, since you're alive, but I think you know what I mean.)
--Lia
Boron Elgar
There is a relatively new movement called a "restricted calorie diet"
or "extreme calorie restriction." in which some (interestingly, most
of its adherents are male) eat about 1100 to 1500 calories a day.
I am not sure about the female calorie count and am not recommending
this diet, but you will find a lot written about it online. Many who
follow it feel it will lower the risks of many diseases, as well as
increase longevity by quite a bit. Only time will tell that last
claim, as it has not been around long enough to test.
There are some who say it does, indeed lower cholesterol and CAD, but
it may also affect muscle mass.
Listed below are several links, in no specific order, in case you want
to read further.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051117180504.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20746251/
http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&act=ST&f=69&t=4701
http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-3443.html
Boron
Julia Altshuler
>
> Listed below are several links, in no specific order, in case you want
> to read further.
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051117180504.htm
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20746251/
> http://www.imminst.org/forum/index.php?s=&act=ST&f=69&t=4701
> http://psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-3443.html
Thanks for that excellent research. I've got some reading to do and am
on it. (Not, mind you, that I have any intention of going on a low
calorie diet any time soon.)
--Lia
Dan Abel
Boron Elgar <boron...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> There is a relatively new movement called a "restricted calorie diet"
> or "extreme calorie restriction." in which some (interestingly, most
> of its adherents are male) eat about 1100 to 1500 calories a day.
I'm confused. I didn't read any of your links, but low calorie diets
have been around a long time. Or are these not weight reduction diets?
Most people will lose weight on this number of calories. Once you lose
weight, then this number of calories may sustain your BMR (Basal
Metabolistic Rate). It isn't a new concept that losing weight often is
healthier.
Cindi - HappyMamatoThree
Many of the "low-calorie" diets that are hitting the headlines today require
a drastic reduction in protein and fat and allow an unlimited amount of lots
of vegetables. Salad greens, that sort of thing. No breads, rice, pasta. The
lack of proteins and fat are dangerous in most physician's opinions though
there are some "backers" that insist on this being the latest in the healthy
crazes.
Cindi
Cindi - HappyMamatoThree
I average between 800 calories and probably 1400 calories a day.
Though there are "standardized" long-term gastric bypass diets each one is
different. Most include a starch/bread/rice/pasta at each meal. My
esophageal strictures will not allow me to eat that, I vomit almost every
single time. Other items cause dumping syndrome (alot of things with real
sugar or lots of fat). I have learned what my body can tolerate and what it
can't. It's still a learning process.
I don't drink milk, so the recommended snacks of low-fat/skim milk don't
work for me, and I can't tolerate protein beverages. I use beans, peanut
butter, tuna, cheese. I also drink at least 8 to 10 glasses of water. I skip
flavored water, like the crystal light, it tastes chemical. I do use Splenda
on occasion for that. I don't do no fat, sugar free snacks like jello in a
cup or pudding in a cup they are TOO fake. Most items like that are so salty
or fake that it disgusts. I skip sugar free candy it's disgusting for me. I
like the taste of real food. If I make a dish for my family that I love, I
eat some of it. If I make croissant bread pudding I eat two spoonfuls,
sometimes I have purging, sometimes not. If I make a potato casserole (one
of my prediet favorites) I have three spoonfuls.
I have long discovered if I completely deny then it is toooooooo hard.
Deprivation is not the answer. Moderation, logic, those make it work. I
guess tthat is true for any and all diet programs, I just never was able to
apply that to myself before. This tool has given me the chance to be who I
want to be and to learn a new relationship with food.
Wow that was a testimonial now wasn't it.
Cindi
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Boron Elgar
This is more than a "low calorie: diet...and they are not used
short-term, as for dieting, but adopted for permanent use.
It is not that no one has ever practiced such a lifestyle change
before, as I assume anorectics might use even fewer calories, but the
idea of these diets being used to promote longevity is relatively new.
Some ascetics and those who might do so for religious reasons have
also at times employed such restricted food intake.
The links I posted before will provide info, or google for "extreme
calorie restriction," to see more about it, especially in terms of
longevity promotion.
Boron