Electric Stove with FRONT mounted controls?
Catmandy (Sheryl)
with push-button controls mounted on the front panel. We bought the
house in 1965 and that stove worked like a dream until 1990 or so!
When we replaced it, the stove had rear panel mounted controls. And
the stove I have now in my apartment has rear-mounted controls. I have
always hated rear-mounted control panels on stoves!!
I'm short. Not even 5 ft tall. When I have a tall pot going, I
frequently get steam burns (or contact burns if I brush up against the
lid) reaching over it to adjust the temperature or turn off the
burner. I did it again today. Complicating this is that the only large
diameter burner is located on the same side as the stove controls.
Small burners on the right side have the oven controls behind them. Of
course, the large diameter burner is the most used, since it
accomodates the stock pot, the pasta pot, the pressure cooker, etc.
I would love for my next stove to have front mounted controls, like my
gas range did in my former home. I'm renting, so converting from
electric to gas is not an option. All of the standard size stand-alone
electric ranges I've seen have rear mounted control panels. WHY IS
THAT?
Why is it, gas ranges have front mounted controls but electric are on
the back? I know it would be dangerous for homes with kids, but I
don't have kids, never will. There should be options available for
child-free homes which have a need for front mounted controls. At
least 1 or 2 models, any way.
What do people who are limited to a wheel chair do? I imagine the
elderly have trouble with rear-mounted controls, too.
Lou Decruss
Google "ada compliant appliances." There's one here about half way
down.
http://www.bizrate.com/ada-compliant-appliances/
Lou
Nancy2
> I would love for my next stove to have front mounted controls, like my
> gas range did in my former home. I'm renting, so converting from
> electric to gas is not an option. All of the standard size stand-alone
> electric ranges I've seen have rear mounted control panels. WHY IS
> THAT?
>
I think it started with child safety concerns, along with the
possibility of an adult brushing up against or leaning against a front-
mounted control and accidentally turning it on - have no clue why gas
are different.
N.
Catmandy (Sheryl)
But you can control whether you turn something on or not. It's much
harder to control burning yourself when you have to hold your arm over
a tall, steaming pot to get at the controls behind it. It just seems
like the manufacturers put the controls on the back b/c it's easier
and safer for THEM, from a liability perspective.
Thanks for the link on the ADA compliant ranges. That's exactly what
I'm looking for.
ImStillMags
wrote:
Check these out
http://www.geappliances.com/products/introductions/electric_slide_drop/
sf
That makes sense. Rear mounted "control panels" are
electronic/digital, aren't they? I guess I will have to take the
front mounted knobs off my newish cooktop when I have future toddlers
in the house.
--
Never trust a dog to watch your food.
George Shirley
Lots of free standing electric ranges have front mounted controls.
Go here and look at some of them:
http://www.lowes.com/pl_Freestanding+Gas+Ranges_4294858007__
Catmandy (Sheryl)
The link you provided was for gas ranges. I didn't see any electric
ranges at Lowes with front mounted controls.
ImStillMags
>
> - Show quoted text -
these do http://www.geappliances.com/products/introductions/electric_slide_drop/
Janet Wilder
>
> I'm short. Not even 5 ft tall. When I have a tall pot going, I
> frequently get steam burns (or contact burns if I brush up against the
> lid) reaching over it to adjust the temperature or turn off the
> burner. I did it again today. Complicating this is that the only large
> diameter burner is located on the same side as the stove controls.
> Small burners on the right side have the oven controls behind them. Of
> course, the large diameter burner is the most used, since it
> accomodates the stock pot, the pasta pot, the pressure cooker, etc.
When I bought my range there were several burner considerations for the
same stove. Knowing I'm a shortie (5'2"), I got one with the small
burners in the back and the big ones in the front.
It's easier to reach the controls.
--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
Catmandy (Sheryl)
They have a gadget you can install on the front mounted knobs to keep
little fingers from touching what they shouldn't.
www.totshield.com
Knowing this is available, you'd think it would be easier for all
concerned to mount the knobs on the front of most of the electric
ranges, woudn't you? Who would prefer to reach over hot pots to turn a
knob??
I understand it's important to keep kids safe, but isn't that the
parents' job?
I dunno. My cat likes to shred toilet paper and splash around in the
toilet and get into other stuff that for her own safety, as well as
for the safety of the "stuff", I don't want her getting into. Since I
can't watch her 24/7, I just shut the door so she can't be in there
unattended. I don't want her falling out of an open window, so I keep
the screens in place. I don't want her to get hurt by possibly jumping
off the ledge of the porch chasing a bird in flight: guess what, she's
not permitted on the porch. I don't want her to be tempted to play
with electrical wires, so I tuck them out of her sight in plastic
tubes. I don't want her to poison herself by licking household
cleaners: she's not permitted in the cabinet they are stored in. A
cat has the same intellectual capacity as a 2 year old. I want her to
be safe, so I keep an eye on her so I can protect her. I just think
it's ridiculous that appliance engineers can't leave the
responsibility of keeping kids safe to their families and build things
that are easy to use for the most people.
Catmandy (Sheryl)
Thank you. I saw those. Unfortunately, my space requires a free-
standing range. They are lovely though. I think I'm going to have to
with a GE ADA compliant range. They are basic bare bones models but
they will serve my purpose.
K
Your old range was probably a drop-in or a slide-in model where
front-controls are the norm. I think I probably have the same model you
grew up with - it's was made in 1965. I've replaced all the elements except
for the broiler at least once, and every time I see one by the road for
pickup I pirate a few of the pushbutton burner controllers. They are hard
to find as replacement parts and are dearly priced.
If your current range is between two cabinets, then you can use a slide-in
model-all they are missing are the finish panels on the sides.
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Catmandy (Sheryl)
The old one may have been a drop in. I don't recall a drawer under the
oven. Our next door neighbor had the same stove. Houses were built in
1961. That notwithstanding, I haven't lived in that house in almost 15
years.
My current range is freestanding with one cabinet on the left side. It
needs to be finished on the right side to work in the kitchen I'm in
now. So I'm looking for a free-standing electric range.
Thanks for your thoughts though.
Nancy2
Hey, I didn't make the change, don't blame me! ;-) Yer preachin' to
the choir.
N.
Nancy2
My pre-electronic control electric stove had regular dial controls on
the back panel....
N.
Nancy2
> I understand it's important to keep kids safe, but isn't that the
> parents' job?
> I dunno. My cat likes to shred toilet paper and splash around in the
> toilet and get into other stuff that for her own safety, as well as
> for the safety of the "stuff", I don't want her getting into. Since I
> can't watch her 24/7, I just shut the door so she can't be in there
> unattended. I don't want her falling out of an open window, so I keep
> the screens in place. I don't want her to get hurt by possibly jumping
> off the ledge of the porch chasing a bird in flight: guess what, she's
> not permitted on the porch. I don't want her to be tempted to play
> with electrical wires, so I tuck them out of her sight in plastic
> tubes. I don't want her to poison herself by licking household
> cleaners: she's not permitted in the cabinet they are stored in. A
> cat has the same intellectual capacity as a 2 year old. I want her to
> be safe, so I keep an eye on her so I can protect her. I just think
> it's ridiculous that appliance engineers can't leave the
> responsibility of keeping kids safe to their families and build things
>
> - Show quoted text -
You could make the same argument for nearly everything in our
litigious society. Lots of changes over the years have lawsuits
behind them.
N.
Christine Dabney
<catm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>The link you provided was for gas ranges. I didn't see any electric
>ranges at Lowes with front mounted controls.
The apartment I am in right now has an electric GE Profile, which has
front mounted controls. These have the hottest burners of any stove I
have ever had.
Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com
Christine Dabney
This is the one in the apartment here:
http://products.geappliances.com/ApplProducts/Dispatcher?REQUEST=SpecPage&Sku=JMP31WCWW
Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com
sf
<nancy-...@uiowa.edu> wrote:
> My pre-electronic control electric stove had regular dial controls on
> the back panel....
The one I replaced last year had top mounted dials at the front.
Victor Sack
> I would love for my next stove to have front mounted controls, like my
> gas range did in my former home. I'm renting, so converting from
> electric to gas is not an option. All of the standard size stand-alone
> electric ranges I've seen have rear mounted control panels. WHY IS
> THAT?
It looks like it depends on your location. In Germany, you would have
hard time finding anything in the way of stoves or ranges, gas or
electric, with the controls anywhere *but* in the front. The very idea
of controls in the back is ridiculous in the extreme - and I've seen and
used such stoves in England. Ugh.
Victor
K
Google turned up a few, and there are several at the high-end ($1500 to
$5000+)
http://www.number1direct.com/product.jhtm?id=81071&&trackcode=Shopzilla
http://www.number1direct.com/product.jhtm?id=51373
http://www.number1direct.com/product.jhtm?id=51416
Keith
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Arri London
My last electric cooker in London had back controls. Fortunately, there
was one open side without a counter next to it, so shorty me could reach
around without burning myself. To be fair it was rather old.
Cheryl
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> They have a gadget you can install on the front mounted knobs to keep
> little fingers from touching what they shouldn't.
> www.totshield.com
> Knowing this is available, you'd think it would be easier for all
> concerned to mount the knobs on the front of most of the electric
> ranges, woudn't you? Who would prefer to reach over hot pots to turn a
> knob??
>
Not being short I wouldn't have thought it wasn't safe to reach across the
stove to get to the controls, but you have a good point.
> I understand it's important to keep kids safe, but isn't that the
> parents' job?
> I dunno. My cat likes to shred toilet paper and splash around in the
> toilet and get into other stuff that for her own safety, as well as
> for the safety of the "stuff", I don't want her getting into. Since I
> can't watch her 24/7, I just shut the door so she can't be in there
> unattended. I don't want her falling out of an open window, so I keep
> the screens in place. I don't want her to get hurt by possibly jumping
> off the ledge of the porch chasing a bird in flight: guess what, she's
> not permitted on the porch. I don't want her to be tempted to play
> with electrical wires, so I tuck them out of her sight in plastic
> tubes. I don't want her to poison herself by licking household
> cleaners: she's not permitted in the cabinet they are stored in. A
> cat has the same intellectual capacity as a 2 year old. I want her to
> be safe, so I keep an eye on her so I can protect her. I just think
> it's ridiculous that appliance engineers can't leave the
> responsibility of keeping kids safe to their families and build things
> that are easy to use for the most people.
There are so many things you wouldn't think about when it comes to safety.
I was pet sitting for a friend who had way too many cats in my opinion, so
they got into everything. She already had her garbage disposal burned out
because one of the cats turned on the switch on the wall while she was out.
So she had to put tape over the switch to keep it in place. The first day I
went to check on her cats they had turned the water on in the kitchen sink.
Who knows how long it was running.
Sky
Those push-button ranges haven't been around for a long time, but I do
remember them ;> As mentioned already, they were most likely
discontinued for safety reasons! Hey, what toddler or young child
doesn't like to push button, eh!
As you pointed out, the controls for most gas ranges are in front (I
don't know why either) - but I'd almost prefer them to be in the back,
though. I'm rather short also and often when reaching to the back of
the stove top, I sometimes inadvertently push in one of the control
knobs as if it were to be turned on. Thankfully, the it doesn't get
twisted to turn on the gas and actually activate the electronic ignition
(whew!!!).
The gas range at my folks house has the control knobs on the right-hand
side of the burners from front to back (or would that be back to front?
VBG). Seems that's good compromise. It wouldn't be surprising if there
are models that have the controls on the left-hand side of the burners,
too, depending on the kitchen layout.
Sky
--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!
Cheryl
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> This is the one in the apartment here:
> http://products.geappliances.com/ApplProducts/Dispatcher?REQUEST=SpecPage&Sku=JMP31WCWW
As much as I'd like to have a smooth top, I think I'll end up with something
like this. I want stainless steel though. That does look a lot nicer than
what I have.
Cheryl
news:5bhio.56976$1v3....@newsfe20.iad...
means about the stand-alone having the controls at the back of it. I don't
think a drop-in will work for me. It would have to stand on the kitchen
floor.
J. Clarke
If one goes to the GE Appliances site, finds "ranges", and clicks on
"ADA Compliant" one will find several with front controls. Scrolling
through the Sears site reveals a few models from Kitchenaid and Kenmore.
jmcquown
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Or you could do like most parents and grandparents of yesteryear did: keep
toddlers out of the kitchen and away from the stove ;)
Jill
sf
wrote:
> Or you could do like most parents and grandparents of yesteryear did: keep
> toddlers out of the kitchen and away from the stove ;)
When you're the only person in the house? I don't think so.
jmcquown
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:12:38 -0400, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Or you could do like most parents and grandparents of yesteryear did:
>> keep
>> toddlers out of the kitchen and away from the stove ;)
>
> When you're the only person in the house? I don't think so.
>
Barbara, you know perfectly well my father was deployed to other countries
for most of my childhood. (Hell, he was in Okinawa when I was born and I
didn't see him until I was a year old.) My mother was the only adult in the
house and she had to deal not only with me but also my two older brothers.
She didn't seem to have a problem saying "NO" or "Stay away from that" or
"Don't touch that". And we listened. None of us ever messed with the
stove, or stuck metal objects into light sockets, or drank bleach...
Jill
Cindy Hamilton
> "Cheryl" <jlhsha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5bhio.56976$1v3....@newsfe20.iad...> "Christine Dabney" <artis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> >news:jrji8691kqnkevs6d...@4ax.com...
>
> >> This is the one in the apartment here:
>
> > As much as I'd like to have a smooth top, I think I'll end up with
> > something like this. I want stainless steel though. That does look a lot
> > nicer than what I have.
>
> Oh, but that is a drop in rather than a stand-alone. I know what Sheryl
> means about the stand-alone having the controls at the back of it. I don't
> think a drop-in will work for me. It would have to stand on the kitchen
> floor.
Take a look at slide-in ranges. (Do you have cabinets on both sides
of the
range?) You might need to fiddle with some sort of filler piece at
the back.
Cindy Hamilton
Cindy Hamilton
A couple times a year, I turn on the gas with my gut (or my husband
does). It doesn't take long to discover.
Cindy Hamilton
Nathalie Chiva
>In article <i6bq8u$2lqf$1...@adenine.netfront.net>,
>keithbl...@sbcglobal.net says...
>>
>> Nancy2 wrote:
>> > On Sep 9, 2:43 pm, "Catmandy (Sheryl)" <catma...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sep 9, 3:33 pm, Nancy2 <nancy-doo...@uiowa.edu> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> I would love for my next stove to have front mounted controls,
>> >>>> like my gas range did in my former home. I'm renting, so
>> >>>> converting from electric to gas is not an option. All of the
>> >>>> standard size stand-alone electric ranges I've seen have rear
>> >>>> mounted control panels. WHY IS THAT?
>> >>
>> >>> I think it started with child safety concerns,
>
>
> It must be a US thing. In the UK stand-alone stoves almost all
>have controls at the front nowadays. The exceptions have them at one
>side of the cooker top. I haven't seen one with controls at the back
>since the 1960's.
>
> Janet
Yes it must. Italy, Switzerland, France - never saw rear mounted
control panels either.
Nathalie in Switzerland
Nathalie Chiva
wrote:
Exactly. That's what we did with our kids, same results. We really
didn't change much in our home when we had children - to some people's
great amazement - well, there's one such thing called watching your
kids (when they're very small) and another one called education, and
whoa, they work!!!
Nathalie in Switzerland
Janet Wilder
> Or you could do like most parents and grandparents of yesteryear did:
> keep toddlers out of the kitchen and away from the stove ;)
>
I had front burners on a drop-in countertop range when I bought my first
house. Could not afford to replace it. It was a no brainer to take the
knobs off and put them where the little ones couldn't reach them. Anyone
who wanted to turn on the stove, got a knob from the back of the counter
and turned on the gas.
--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
Catmandy (Sheryl)
<Nathaliedotchivaatgmail.remove.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:49:25 -0400, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net>> >> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:12:38 -0400, "jmcquown" <j_mcqu...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Or you could do like most parents and grandparents of yesteryear did:
> >>> keep
> >>> toddlers out of the kitchen and away from the stove ;)
>
> >> When you're the only person in the house? I don't think so.
>
> >Barbara, you know perfectly well my father was deployed to other countries
> >for most of my childhood. (Hell, he was in Okinawa when I was born and I
> >didn't see him until I was a year old.) My mother was the only adult in the
> >house and she had to deal not only with me but also my two older brothers.
> >She didn't seem to have a problem saying "NO" or "Stay away from that" or
> >"Don't touch that". And we listened. None of us ever messed with the
> >stove, or stuck metal objects into light sockets, or drank bleach...
>
> >Jill
>
> Exactly. That's what we did with our kids, same results. We really
> didn't change much in our home when we had children - to some people's
> great amazement - well, there's one such thing called watching your
> kids (when they're very small) and another one called education, and
> whoa, they work!!!
>
> Nathalie in Switzerland
Yea, exactly. I never played with the buttons on the stove because my
mother told me never to touch the stove. WHen I was old enough to
learn how to cook, I was taught how to properly use the stove and also
that it wasn't a toy, never to touch the stove unless you're cooking
something. I also had a "toy" stove to use when I wanted to play. I
wasn't permitted to use my mother's pots and pans as playthings,
either. I had toys for that. Mom's stuff was Mom's, Dad's stuff was
Dad's, and my stuff was mine. I was taught they didn't mess with my
stuff, I shouldn't mess with theirs. I was taught to respect other
people's stuff.
Do parents not teach their kids any longer?
blake murphy
> On 9/10/2010 12:12 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Or you could do like most parents and grandparents of yesteryear did:
>> keep toddlers out of the kitchen and away from the stove ;)
>>
>
> I had front burners on a drop-in countertop range when I bought my first
> house. Could not afford to replace it. It was a no brainer to take the
> knobs off and put them where the little ones couldn't reach them. Anyone
> who wanted to turn on the stove, got a knob from the back of the counter
> and turned on the gas.
a clever solution.
your pal,
blake
gloria.p
>
> Do parents not teach their kids any longer?
A lot of teaching (which includes the word "no") has been eliminated
in the attempt to foster creativity, self esteem, and friendship between
parents and kids.
It is leading to a generation of undisciplined kids with no impulse
control. I wonder how long it will take these parents to realize
it has been a Big Mistake.
Sorry, I am feeling very cynical today.
gloria p
Wayne Boatwright
> Catmandy (Sheryl) wrote:
>
>>
>> Do parents not teach their kids any longer?
>
> A lot of teaching (which includes the word "no") has been
> eliminated in the attempt to foster creativity, self esteem, and
> friendship between parents and kids.
>
> It is leading to a generation of undisciplined kids with no
> impulse control. I wonder how long it will take these parents to
> realize it has been a Big Mistake.
They'll probably realize it when their kids blatantly defy them.
> Sorry, I am feeling very cynical today.
I'm always cynical aboaut today's parents and their kids.
There was a news item on TV yesterday morning about a restaurant in
(I think) Georgia, where they have instituted a "no screaming kids"
policy. It's about time!
I have seen plenty of well-behaving kids in estaurants, but it only
takes one screamer to spoil a dining experience, regardless of the
restaurant. The screamer's parents either don't have sense enough or
give a damn about taking the child out or to the bathroom until the
problem is resolved.
--
~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~
~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~
**********************************************************
Wayne Boatwright
sf
wrote:
> In article <8bsj86pq0mo390jh3...@4ax.com>,
> sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:12:38 -0400, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Or you could do like most parents and grandparents of yesteryear did: keep
> > > toddlers out of the kitchen and away from the stove ;)
> >
> > When you're the only person in the house? I don't think so.
>
> My sister used baby gates and baby panels (child fencing) to good
> advantage when her husband was at school or work...
I'd be using baby gates to keep the toddlers *IN* the kitchen, not out
when I'm alone. I want them in sight.
sf
wrote:
There are kids who do mess with dials anyway. We took the knobs off
of all our electric wall heaters for that reason. I am not worried
about really little ones turning on the stove because of built in
safety features, but I am concerned about them "adjusting" the flame
after it has been turned on.
sf
> I used a babygate between the
> kitchen and next room;we could all easily see/hear each other. It's
> perfectly possible to cook and safely supervise tiny children.
It's not possible to supervise anywhere but the kitchen in my house.
There is no line of sight anywhere and sound is deceptive.
Wayne Boatwright
> There are kids who do mess with dials anyway. We took the knobs
> off of all our electric wall heaters for that reason. I am not
> worried about really little ones turning on the stove because of
> built in safety features, but I am concerned about them
> "adjusting" the flame after it has been turned on.
>
For a few bucks you can buy stove knob covers that eliminate the
problem altogether, either turning on or accidently "adjusting".
--
~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~
~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~
**********************************************************
Wayne Boatwright
For a
Ophelia
"Wayne Boatwright" <waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9DEF81AF39B5Cwa...@69.16.185.247...
> On Fri 10 Sep 2010 12:21:26p, sf told us...
>
>> There are kids who do mess with dials anyway. We took the knobs
>> off of all our electric wall heaters for that reason. I am not
>> worried about really little ones turning on the stove because of
>> built in safety features, but I am concerned about them
>> "adjusting" the flame after it has been turned on.
>>
>
> For a few bucks you can buy stove knob covers that eliminate the
> problem altogether, either turning on or accidently "adjusting".
Heh I used to take mine off too:) No need for extras:)
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Dan Abel
Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri 10 Sep 2010 11:15:48a, gloria.p told us...
>
> > Catmandy (Sheryl) wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Do parents not teach their kids any longer?
> >
> > A lot of teaching (which includes the word "no") has been
> > eliminated in the attempt to foster creativity, self esteem, and
> > friendship between parents and kids.
> >
> > It is leading to a generation of undisciplined kids with no
> > impulse control. I wonder how long it will take these parents to
> > realize it has been a Big Mistake.
>
> They'll probably realize it when their kids blatantly defy them.
>
> > Sorry, I am feeling very cynical today.
>
> I'm always cynical aboaut today's parents and their kids.
It's OK. Our parents were ready to give up on us, if you remember. And
our grandparents threw up their hands in horror over our parents.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
sf
wrote:
> The babies were always in sight from her apartment kitchen. :-)
This isn't an apartment.
sf
<waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri 10 Sep 2010 12:21:26p, sf told us...
>
> > There are kids who do mess with dials anyway. We took the knobs
> > off of all our electric wall heaters for that reason. I am not
> > worried about really little ones turning on the stove because of
> > built in safety features, but I am concerned about them
> > "adjusting" the flame after it has been turned on.
> >
>
> For a few bucks you can buy stove knob covers that eliminate the
> problem altogether, either turning on or accidently "adjusting".
You're a wealth of information, Wayne! I've never heard of that
before. TY. Wondering if they make a large size that fits over my
stove's knobs.
jmcquown
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>
I don't remember my parents ever being ready to "give up" on me, nor did
their parents throw up their hands in horror over them. We were all taught
to behave, and behave we did. It's a simple matter of teaching right from
wrong and yes from no. "Don't touch the stove" is a pretty basic lesson. I
don't see why that should have changed in the last 100 years.
Jill
jmcquown
I don't understand your plight. Teach them to stay away from the stove.
You were a teacher, right? Surely you can teach them the meaning of the
word NO. IIRC it's pretty basic.
Jill
jmcquown
> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:55:04 -0500, Omelet <ompo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The babies were always in sight from her apartment kitchen. :-)
>
> This isn't an apartment.
>
Jesu Christe... House, apartment, whatever. Tell the kids NO. It's not a
difficult concept. If you want them in the kitchen, sit them at the kitchen
table (if you have one) or wherever, within your sight. Then if they toddle
over to the stove to grab the knobs on the stove or the handle of a pan of
boiling water or oil say NO!!! IOW, keep an eye on them. I don't
understand why this is a difficult concept.
Jill
sf
wrote:
> Jesu Christe... House, apartment, whatever. Tell the kids NO. It's not a
> difficult concept. If you want them in the kitchen, sit them at the kitchen
> table (if you have one) or wherever, within your sight. Then if they toddle
> over to the stove to grab the knobs on the stove or the handle of a pan of
> boiling water or oil say NO!!! IOW, keep an eye on them. I don't
> understand why this is a difficult concept.
Jill, I don't understand why you're trying to lecture me on child
raising. I've raised two children and grandchild in this house.
You've raised how many?
sf
wrote:
Good god, Jill. I don't have a plight, you're manufacturing one. I
said I'd take the stove knobs off if it presented a problem; then you
proceeded to lecture me on how to raise children.
sf
> In article <ac1l869k3ilmdurhk...@4ax.com>, s...@geemail.com
> says...
> >
> > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:54:04 +0100, Janet <H...@invalid.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I used a babygate between the
> > > kitchen and next room;we could all easily see/hear each other. It's
> > > perfectly possible to cook and safely supervise tiny children.
> >
> > It's not possible to supervise anywhere but the kitchen in my house.
> > There is no line of sight anywhere and sound is deceptive.
>
> You could use a playpen in the kitchen; or sit them in their high-
> chair to talk and sing while you cook.
>
Why all this hysteria and lecturing me about child raising just
because I said I'd take the knobs off if there was a problem? My kids
grew up into happy, healthy, productive, home owning citizens and I
didn't have anyone like you and Jill telling me how to raise them.
Even my own mother didn't butt in like that.
Larry
>> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:12:38 -0400, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Or you could do like most parents and grandparents of yesteryear
>>> did: keep
>>> toddlers out of the kitchen and away from the stove ;)
>>
>> When you're the only person in the house? I don't think so.
>>
>
> countries for most of my childhood. (Hell, he was in Okinawa when I
> was born and I didn't see him until I was a year old.) My mother was
> the only adult in the house and she had to deal not only with me but
> also my two older brothers. She didn't seem to have a problem saying
> "NO" or "Stay away from that" or "Don't touch that". And we
> listened. None of us ever messed with the stove, or stuck metal
> objects into light sockets, or drank bleach...
>
So what happened to you?
Dan Abel
"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
Take it from me, it's not that easy.
Wayne Boatwright
You're welcome, sf. Google "stove knob covers". I'm sure there's a
variety available.
Wayne Boatwright
If there's only one child it's not much of an issue, but if there are
several,, it's a major issue. It's not that hard to keep your eyes
on one child nor to teach them early.
I am an only child, and when I was a toddler my mother was afflicted
with debilitating migraines and fainting spells. Before I was as
tall as the stove, she not only taught me respect for it as a
possible danger, but also how to cook an egg, make toast, and prepare
a can of soup. My dad built a very stable step stool so that I could
reach the stove. Nary an accident ever occurred. With multiple
children, this would have probably been impossible.
Wayne Boatwright
You have a simpole solution, irrespective of whether you decide to
teach or not teach your kids about the stove. When I was a kid the
knobs on the stove we had could not be removed without a tool.
sf
<waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote:
> You're welcome, sf. Google "stove knob covers". I'm sure there's a
> variety available.
I did before I replied, but it would have never even occurred to me
until you mentioned it! Are you volunteering to be my go-to guy for
all things new in toddler control? LOL
J. Clarke
> On Fri 10 Sep 2010 02:54:52p, sf told us...
>
>> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:44:50 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> <waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri 10 Sep 2010 12:21:26p, sf told us...
>>>
>>>> There are kids who do mess with dials anyway. We took the knobs
>>>> off of all our electric wall heaters for that reason. I am not
>>>> worried about really little ones turning on the stove because of
>>>> built in safety features, but I am concerned about them
>>>> "adjusting" the flame after it has been turned on.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For a few bucks you can buy stove knob covers that eliminate the
>>> problem altogether, either turning on or accidently "adjusting".
>>
>> You're a wealth of information, Wayne! I've never heard of that
>> before. TY. Wondering if they make a large size that fits over my
>> stove's knobs.
>>
>
> You're welcome, sf. Google "stove knob covers". I'm sure there's a
> variety available.
FWIW, my mother, may she rest in peace, while she had many virtues, was
not the most coordinated person in the world. It only took one cast
iron pan landing on me to teach me that when Mommy is playing with pots
and pans I should stay out of the kitchen. I don't think that
accidentally adjusting the burners was an issue.
jmcquown
None, and you know it. But I was a child. And when my mother said NO she
meant it. Simple as that. The concept of telling a child (or grandchild)
NO and having them listen to you seems to be an alien concept these days.
That, I don't understand.
What happened to the days when everything wasn't child-proofed? What
happened to the days of parental responsibility? Of course you can't keep
an eye on every child every minute, this is true. But if you let them into
the kitchen and you're in the kitchen you tell them to stay away from the
stove. You don't build appliances around possible negligance.
At some point I'm going to need a new stove. I'd rather have one that isn't
"child friendly" that forces me to reach over boiling pots. If my great
grand-nieces or - nephews come to visit they will be told to stay away from
the stove. And when I say NO, I mean NO. Just like my mother did.
Jill
Catmandy (Sheryl)
> "sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:ibfl865qa38d1q8h0...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
Ok, mark this date. 9/11/10. I agree with Jill. 100%
gloria.p
> "sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> I'd be using baby gates to keep the toddlers *IN* the kitchen, not out
>> when I'm alone. I want them in sight.
>>
>
> I don't understand your plight. Teach them to stay away from the stove.
> You were a teacher, right? Surely you can teach them the meaning of the
> word NO. IIRC it's pretty basic.
>
>
It's not nearly as easy as you make it sound, Jill.
gloria p
Dan Abel
"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "sf" <s...@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:ibfl865qa38d1q8h0...@4ax.com...
> > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:04:05 -0400, "jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Jesu Christe... House, apartment, whatever. Tell the kids NO. It's not
> >> a
> >> difficult concept. If you want them in the kitchen, sit them at the
> >> kitchen
> >> table (if you have one) or wherever, within your sight. Then if they
> >> toddle
> >> over to the stove to grab the knobs on the stove or the handle of a pan
> >> of
> >> boiling water or oil say NO!!! IOW, keep an eye on them. I don't
> >> understand why this is a difficult concept.
> >
> > Jill, I don't understand why you're trying to lecture me on child
> > raising. I've raised two children and grandchild in this house.
> > You've raised how many?
> >
>
> None, and you know it. But I was a child.
And I was a child, too! And so was sf! But we also have grown
children, and we know that children's memories are notoriously
unreliable. When I'm with one of my kids (ages 24, 26 and 31), and we
see a little kid misbehave, they'll make a comment about how *they*
would never have done that. WRONG!
> And when my mother said NO she
> meant it.
I'm sure she did. And I'm sure that, sometimes, it went in one ear and
out the other. People are that way, they only hear what they *want* to
hear. Kids are no different.
> Simple as that. The concept of telling a child (or grandchild)
> NO and having them listen to you seems to be an alien concept these days.
> That, I don't understand.
>
> What happened to the days when everything wasn't child-proofed?
Kids got hurt. And after enough kids got hurt, something was done.
It's not just kids, either. *Nobody* wore seatbelts back then. Even if
you wanted to, cars didn't have them. Now, all cars come with
seatbelts. And, if you don't want to use them, you get a big, fat
ticket.
jmcquown
>
Granted. But I still don't want someone to design my kitchen appliances
around the remote possibility some child might get hurt because no one was
watching the kids. The OP asked for recommendations for stoves with front
mounted controls. It was posited they don't make them that way because
children might get hurt. Well sure... they might also get hurt crossing the
street. They might get hit by lightning. You cannot prevent or legislated
against every single possibility.
And that doesn't mean the OP shouldn't have the option of finding a stove
with knobs on the front. I see there were some suggestions. Hopefully when
I get ready to shop for a new stove/oven I can get what I want. I'd rather
not get burns from reaching over steaming hot pots (which have also been
mentioned in this thread) to turn off a burner.
Jill
jmcquown
news:i6gans$md6$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Gloria, I don't know why it's not that easy. It was pretty easy for my
mother. Maybe because she was married to a Marine. Maybe because her own
mother wouldn't put up with misbehavior. Mom said NO and when she did we
took her seriously. Retribution was we weren't allowed to leave our rooms.
It was like being in prison. We got to go to the bathroom and we were fed
but that's it. There was never a repeat of whatever led to this. We
learned the meaning of the word NO pretty quick.
Jill
Dan Abel
"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Granted. But I still don't want someone to design my kitchen appliances
> around the remote possibility some child might get hurt because no one was
> watching the kids. The OP asked for recommendations for stoves with front
> mounted controls. It was posited they don't make them that way because
> children might get hurt.
I guess it's time for a little common sense. That's why about half the
stoves on the market have the burner controls on the front? Probably
not. It's because electric stoves are dangerous with burner controls on
the front but gas stoves aren't? Probably not. It's true, that for
people who leave stuff on the stove with kids around, the kid can turn
on the stove and start a fire. Frankly, I think it's more of a danger
when kids pull down a pan full of hot liquid onto them.
cshenk
> And that doesn't mean the OP shouldn't have the option of finding a stove
> with knobs on the front. I see there were some suggestions. Hopefully
> when I get ready to shop for a new stove/oven I can get what I want. I'd
> rather not get burns from reaching over steaming hot pots (which have also
> been mentioned in this thread) to turn off a burner.
Oddly I do see the electrics seem to all be back mounted. I hadnt noticed
that becaue I use gas. Obviously with gas they don't do that.
Go for a new oven, consider a gas hookup perhaps? No, you don't smell any
gas (grin) if wondering and not used to them.
cshenk
> Gloria, I don't know why it's not that easy. It was pretty easy for my
> mother.
You recall if from the eyes of a child Jill. You have no recollection of
being 3 years old and into everything either.
> learned the meaning of the word NO pretty quick.
This though is one of those things that one mistake can be lifelong. To
this day, I turn pothandles in just out of habit and tend to use the back
burners little fingers can't reach. LOL, Charlotte is 16 but habits die
hard.
sf
> LOL, Charlotte is 16 but habits die hard.
My kids are 30+ and I still turn in the pot handles too. ;)
Dan Abel
"cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
> Oddly I do see the electrics seem to all be back mounted. I hadnt noticed
> that becaue I use gas. Obviously with gas they don't do that.
I had never noticed that until it came up here. I sure hope somebody
can explain why, because it's really gotten to me. I probably won't be
able to sleep tonight unless somebody posts an explanation.
:-)
> Go for a new oven, consider a gas hookup perhaps? No, you don't smell any
> gas (grin) if wondering and not used to them.
Strangely enough, neither propane nor natural gas has any smell, color
or taste. This makes them a real hazard, so much so, that normally an
odorizer is added that tells you very quickly if you have gas leaking
anywhere. Very occasionally, I'll see a big tanker tank with big
lettering cautioning that it carries unodorized gas.
Dan Abel
sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:17:35 -0400, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > LOL, Charlotte is 16 but habits die hard.
>
> My kids are 30+ and I still turn in the pot handles too. ;)
I turn mine in also, when I notice. Better safe than sorry!
Nancy Young
> In article <2g0o8619spj7tji20...@4ax.com>,
> sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:17:35 -0400, "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> LOL, Charlotte is 16 but habits die hard.
>>
>> My kids are 30+ and I still turn in the pot handles too. ;)
>
> I turn mine in also, when I notice. Better safe than sorry!
I turn mine in, and I don't have kids of any age. And if someone
else is cooking and I see the handles facing out, I turn them
too. I know that qualifies as a beat-down worthy offense.
nancy
Wayne Boatwright
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:30:03 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> <waynebo...@xgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You're welcome, sf. Google "stove knob covers". I'm sure
>> there's a variety available.
>
> I did before I replied, but it would have never even occurred to
> me until you mentioned it! Are you volunteering to be my go-to
> guy for all things new in toddler control? LOL
Well, actually, when I worked in the design field, clients would
often ask that "child-proofing" their home be included in the plan.
At least back the I was familiar with many ways to do this.
Depending on the demeanor and sense of humor of the client, I would
sometimes jokingly suggest that they buy a cage.
Ed Pawlowski
"Dan Abel" <da...@sonic.net> wrote
>
>> Oddly I do see the electrics seem to all be back mounted. I hadnt
>> noticed
>> that becaue I use gas. Obviously with gas they don't do that.
>
> I had never noticed that until it came up here. I sure hope somebody
> can explain why, because it's really gotten to me. I probably won't be
> able to sleep tonight unless somebody posts an explanation.
Only reason I can think of is cost. It is cheaper to wire the rear control
panel than it is to move the wires, switches up to the front. The main feed
comes in at the back of the range.
Personally, I think it is much safer to have them up front or on the side.
Any place but to have to reach over hot pots or pans.
>
> Strangely enough, neither propane nor natural gas has any smell, color
> or taste. This makes them a real hazard, so much so, that normally an
> odorizer is added that tells you very quickly if you have gas leaking
> anywhere. Very occasionally, I'll see a big tanker tank with big
> lettering cautioning that it carries unodorized gas.
Recently there was a gas "recall" here in CT. Some propane was sold with
not enough odor added to it.
sf
> In article <T5SdnZXzQoIDYxbR...@giganews.com>,
> "cshenk" <csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> > Oddly I do see the electrics seem to all be back mounted. I hadnt noticed
> > that becaue I use gas. Obviously with gas they don't do that.
>
> I had never noticed that until it came up here. I sure hope somebody
> can explain why, because it's really gotten to me. I probably won't be
> able to sleep tonight unless somebody posts an explanation.
Isn't it just an option? DD's are at the back of her stove and
electronic. ChrisD has dials on the front of hers.
Dan Abel
sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
As I just bought a new gas stove in the last year or two, I didn't do an
exhaustive check, but I looked at a bunch of new standalone ranges
online. All of the gas ranges had the knobs in the front. All but one
of the electric ranges had them in the back. The one was not only way
more expensive, but it was tiny and had no features.
Dan Abel
"Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote:
> "Dan Abel" <da...@sonic.net> wrote
> >
> >> Oddly I do see the electrics seem to all be back mounted. I hadnt
> >> noticed
> >> that becaue I use gas. Obviously with gas they don't do that.
> >
> > I had never noticed that until it came up here. I sure hope somebody
> > can explain why, because it's really gotten to me. I probably won't be
> > able to sleep tonight unless somebody posts an explanation.
>
> Only reason I can think of is cost. It is cheaper to wire the rear control
> panel than it is to move the wires, switches up to the front. The main feed
> comes in at the back of the range.
Whew! Now I'll be able to sleep tonight, and it's about my bedtime!
> Personally, I think it is much safer to have them up front or on the side.
> Any place but to have to reach over hot pots or pans.
I have to agree. I've had gas the last 30 years, so haven't thought
about it much. In addition, I'm very tall, so it isn't so hard for me.
sf
There are other safety issues like catching sleeves on them, but I
never did it until I had children.
Nancy Young
> "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote:
>> Only reason I can think of is cost. It is cheaper to wire the rear
>> control panel than it is to move the wires, switches up to the
>> front. The main feed comes in at the back of the range.
>
> Whew! Now I'll be able to sleep tonight, and it's about my bedtime!
Heh. Well, I was thinking that the wires would have to be
way insulated to reach the front of the stove, going past
those burners, and maybe they are still problematic with
that heat issue. I can't think of any other reason that almost
every single electric stove has the controls in the back, where
it is not something a shorty like me would like.
nancy
Janet Wilder
> In article<2g0o8619spj7tji20...@4ax.com>,
> sf<s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Sep 2010 18:17:35 -0400, "cshenk"<csh...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> LOL, Charlotte is 16 but habits die hard.
>>
>> My kids are 30+ and I still turn in the pot handles too. ;)
>
> I turn mine in also, when I notice. Better safe than sorry!
>
No children here, but I have a 69 year-old who is just as capable of
walking into a protruding pot handle as is his wife, the 64 year-old
cook. I think that's a safety thing that everyone should think about.
--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
sf
> All but one
> of the electric ranges had them in the back. The one was not only way
> more expensive, but it was tiny and had no features.
I can't imagine that apartments would have top of the line appliances
unless times have changed since I was a renter.
Dan Abel
Janet <H...@invalid.net> wrote:
> In article <Xns9DF0B1A377AD7wa...@69.16.185.247>,
> waynebo...@xgmail.com says...
> > Well, actually, when I worked in the design field, clients would
> > often ask that "child-proofing" their home be included in the plan.
> > At least back the I was familiar with many ways to do this.
> >
> > Depending on the demeanor and sense of humor of the client, I would
> > sometimes jokingly suggest that they buy a cage.
>
> We had one; it's called a playpen.
We had 'em and used 'em. But at a certain age, they can climb right out
in a matter of seconds. And it happens all of a sudden. One day
they're in. The next day, they get right out.
James Silverton
>> "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snetnospam.net> wrote:
My smooth top Magic Chef range has stepless thermostatted controls on
the front. I don't know if the make is still around but it was bought at
a Maytag store because it was the best fitting replacement I could get
for my 30-year old double oven.
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
Brooklyn1
Control locations are strictly a safety issue; gas controls are in
front so one doesn't reach over open flames... electric controls are
mounted where small children can't have access and where not prone to
spilled liquids.
Nancy Young
> Janet <H...@invalid.net> wrote:
>> waynebo...@xgmail.com says...
>
>>> Well, actually, when I worked in the design field, clients would
>>> often ask that "child-proofing" their home be included in the plan.
>>> At least back the I was familiar with many ways to do this.
>>>
>>> Depending on the demeanor and sense of humor of the client, I would
>>> sometimes jokingly suggest that they buy a cage.
>>
>> We had one; it's called a playpen.
Janet said what I was thinking.
> We had 'em and used 'em. But at a certain age, they can climb right
> out in a matter of seconds. And it happens all of a sudden. One day
> they're in. The next day, they get right out.
Sounds like you had the open part at the top. (laugh)
nancy
Nancy Young
> <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Heh. Well, I was thinking that the wires would have to be
>> way insulated to reach the front of the stove, going past
>> those burners, and maybe they are still problematic with
>> that heat issue. I can't think of any other reason that almost
>> every single electric stove has the controls in the back, where
>> it is not something a shorty like me would like.
> Control locations are strictly a safety issue; gas controls are in
> front so one doesn't reach over open flames... electric controls are
> mounted where small children can't have access and where not prone to
> spilled liquids.
I can't buy that, if it was all about child safety, they'd put
the gas knobs in the back, too. Unless some appliance designer
checks in, we'll likely never know the reason, and when in doubt,
I'm going with it being expensive to run those wires for some reason.
nancy
Nancy Young
> <rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Heh. Well, I was thinking that the wires would have to be
>> way insulated to reach the front of the stove, going past
>> those burners, and maybe they are still problematic with
>> that heat issue. I can't think of any other reason that almost
>> every single electric stove has the controls in the back, where
>> it is not something a shorty like me would like.
> Control locations are strictly a safety issue; gas controls are in
> front so one doesn't reach over open flames... electric controls are
> mounted where small children can't have access and where not prone to
> spilled liquids.
I can't buy that, if it was all about child safety, they'd put
Dan Abel
Janet <H...@invalid.net> wrote:
> In article <1tsp86p52ppuo33n4...@4ax.com>, s...@geemail.com
> says...
> >
> > I can't imagine that apartments would have top of the line appliances
> > unless times have changed since I was a renter.
>
> ? rented apartments are like any other market commodity, quality
> ranges from cheap and tacky to deluxe. Plenty of high-end renters in the
> business world.
I don't believe it's unusual for people to work out deals, either. In
fact, I think that's the story here. The OP wants something and the
management is considering it, as long as it is freestanding electric. I
think Jill posted about doing something like this in her apartment,
years ago, with an upgraded refrigerator. Good tenants are desirable,
and worth a few concessions.
Brooklyn1
<rjyn...@comcast.net> wrote:
Wiring is the least of all possible reasons... in fact wire is no
reason at all... wire is cheap and costs no more or less to run wires
regardless of direction.
It's not just about child safety... it's about safety... safety for
everyone. There are lots of adults who are very child like,
especially where safety is concerned. There is no way to design a
stove that is perfectly safe regardless what, so safety engineers
attempt to make things as safe as possible for as many users as
possible. The greatest risk to accident it's been discovered with
open flame appliances is from reaching across and igniting ones
clothing... with electric element cooktops the greatest risk is in
inadvertantly leaving them energized. With flames one gets a visual
but with electric elements they can be on without seeing their being
on. But regardless no small children should ever be allowed in the
kitchen unsupervised... many adults the same. The very last time I
was visitinf someone wo had an electric stove I watched them turn on
two electric elements in preparation to cook and then decided we'll go
out to eat. I asked aren't you going to shut off your stove.
Steve B
> Control locations are strictly a safety issue; gas controls are in
> front so one doesn't reach over open flames... electric controls are
> mounted where small children can't have access and where not prone to
> spilled liquids.
I am STILL looking for a gas cooktop for our upcoming kitchen remodel. It
is just plain stupid how they have some of the knobs located. I will not
consider a model that does not have them to the side, and I mean by a
distance to the side.
Thread to follow.
Steve