Another Grocery Receipt 10/26/21

[jmcquown]

Where it says Publix Sticks Salt, that's a 1 lb. box containing 4 sticks
of salted butter, not sticks of salt. :)

https://i.postimg.cc/BnSMhPGC/publix.jpg

In the recent Big Biscuits thread, Boron mentioned Mason Dixie brand
frozen biscuits. The only ones they had of that brand were the cheddar
biscuits but what the heck, I bought a box to give them a try. And yes,
I bought another bag of Mary B's buttermilk biscuits, too.

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 3:47:05 PM UTC-5, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Where it says Publix Sticks Salt, that's a 1 lb. box containing 4 sticks
> of salted butter, not sticks of salt. :)
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/BnSMhPGC/publix.jpg
>

> Jill
>
May I ask how large that carton of heavy whipping was?? At Kroger, it's
outlandish the price for a pint or quart. I've been buying pint containers
at Aldi for $1.79 but I think you said there is no Aldi there.

[Dave Smith]

I have to say that it appears to be somewhere between the price we would
pay for a half pint and a full pint. But how about that Canadian
bacon. I have lived in Canada for my entire live and I picked up a
package of something called Canadian bacon and the one and only time I
ever saw it for sale. It wasn't bad, but it doesn't hold a candle to our
peameal.

[jmcquown]

That's a pint container and yes, it was expensive. The nearest Aldi is
in Pooler, Georgia. Doesn't make sense to drive approx. 60 miles (one
way) to get a better deal on a pint of cream. I mentioned in another
discussion the Food Lion is in the process of moving across town. (I
believe they are taking over the old Bi-Lo location, which went out of
business.) Harris Teeter hasn't started building yet. Publix or
Walmart are pretty much the only "grocery stores" available.

I did buy cream at Walmart when I first took this little receipt
challenge. I just checked the price. Damn! $1.60/pint. Thing is, I
hardly ever go into Walmart, even though it is nearby. Their grocery
section kinda sucks. But given the price difference for cream I may
have to start. (Maybe that's why when I was there on the 7th I saw a
woman grabbing every *quart* container of cream she could find. I
remember thinking, "That's a lot of cream!")

Jill

[jmcquown]

I doubt I could find peameal bacon around here but admit I haven't
looked. Of course I know "Canadian bacon" isn't bacon. I buy it (along
with the "English" muffins) so I can make a homemade breakfast sandwich
at work. There's a toaster in the breakroom and a microwave. I toast
the muffin, briefly nuke a couple of the center cut smoked pork loin
slices (aka Canadian bacon), add a slice of cheese (my choice) and have
a quick and filling hot "breakfast" sandwich, except I eat it around
Noon. :)

Jill

[Dave Smith]

On 2021-10-26 5:31 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/26/2021 4:56 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 3:47:05 PM UTC-5, j_mc...@comcast.net

>> May I ask how large that carton of heavy whipping was??  At Kroger, it's
>> outlandish the price for a pint or quart.  I've been buying pint
>> containers
>> at Aldi for $1.79 but I think you said there is no Aldi there.
>>
>
> That's a pint container and yes, it was expensive.  The nearest Aldi is
> in Pooler, Georgia.  Doesn't make sense to drive approx. 60 miles (one
> way) to get a better deal on a pint of cream.  I mentioned in another
> discussion the Food Lion is in the process of moving across town. (I
> believe they are taking over the old Bi-Lo location, which went out of
> business.)  Harris Teeter hasn't started building yet.  Publix or
> Walmart are pretty much the only "grocery stores" available.
>
> I did buy cream at Walmart when I first took this little receipt
> challenge.  I just checked the price.  Damn!  $1.60/pint.  Thing is, I
> hardly ever go into Walmart, even though it is nearby.  Their grocery
> section kinda sucks.  But given the price difference for cream I may
> have to start. (Maybe that's why when I was there on the 7th I saw a
> woman grabbing every *quart* container of cream she could find.  I
> remember thinking, "That's a lot of cream!")
>

I am not much of a fan of Walmart but I do go there occasionally and I
have to say their grocery section is surprisingly good... for a
department store.

A couple years ago when the province started talking about allowing beer
sales at grocery stores I was concerned that they would only stock the
major sellers. I was especially concerned about Walmart. I was really
surprised when I went to Walmart for something else and walked by their
beer section. They had one of the best selections of imported beers
around.

[Boron Elgar]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:46:54 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Good luck with the biscuits!

[Dave Smith]

On 2021-10-26 5:42 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/26/2021 5:19 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-10-26 4:56 p.m., itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 3:47:05 PM UTC-5, j_mc...@comcast.net
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Where it says Publix Sticks Salt, that's a 1 lb. box containing 4
>>>> sticks
>>>> of salted butter, not sticks of salt. :)
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/BnSMhPGC/publix.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>> May I ask how large that carton of heavy whipping was??  At Kroger, it's
>>> outlandish the price for a pint or quart.  I've been buying pint
>>> containers
>>> at Aldi for $1.79 but I think you said there is no Aldi there.
>>>
>>
>> I have to say that it appears to be somewhere between the price we
>> would pay for a half pint and a full pint.   But how about that
>> Canadian bacon.  I have lived in Canada for my entire live and I
>> picked up a package of something called Canadian bacon and the one and
>> only time I ever saw it for sale. It wasn't bad, but it doesn't hold a
>> candle to our peameal.
>>
>
> I doubt I could find peameal bacon around here but admit I haven't
> looked.  Of course I know "Canadian bacon" isn't bacon.

It's as much bacon as our peameal is. Peameal bacon is a brine cured
pork loin and Canadian bacon is cured and smoked.

I buy it (along
> with the "English" muffins) so I can make a homemade breakfast sandwich
> at work.  There's a toaster in the breakroom and a microwave.  I toast
> the muffin, briefly nuke a couple of the center cut smoked pork loin
> slices (aka Canadian bacon), add a slice of cheese (my choice) and have
> a quick and filling hot "breakfast" sandwich, except I eat it around
> Noon. :)

Sounds good enough to eat.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Ok, thanks. If Walmart is not out of your way, on some things, such as
the heavy cream, I'd definitely be stopping in and purchasing there. A pint
of heavy cream at Kroger is $2.49 while a quart is $3.79 so I gallop over
to Aldi and pick up a few pints there. It had been $1.55 but they had an
increase with the last month but still much cheaper than Kroger.

[jmcquown]

Next time I need some cream I'll definitely check Walmart. It's
actually halfway between my house and the office. Problem is the
traffic trying to get in and out of it.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Thank you for the recomendation! I trust your opinion even though you
stated you only tried the regular buttermilk ones. I liked the
description of being able to split them by hand. I'll report back after
I've tried them. :)

Jill

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:08:34 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Why do people still go to Walmart? I thought you were Making America
Great Again!

[Hank Rogers]

You can get yourself a job as the door sniffer at walmart.

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

'Store Manager: Brian Goldstein'

So, a Jew?

[Michael Trew]

LOL

[Michael Trew]

Good thing you got a "promotion". I don't know why Thomas English
muffins are so expensive, but they are about the same price here. The
generic store brand ones taste the same, and they are $1.99 for the same
size. The only difference is that you have to cut them in half with a
knife, they don't pull apart at all.

I take it that you're a milk fan? I've noticed it's pricier in other
places... a gallon is about $2 and change here; half gallons are $1 and
change. It's cheaper to get a gallon, but it'll usually turn before I
use it all, so I get the half gallons.

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

You're laughing at Assman Hank. That's ok. You're still young. Asses
are funny to you.

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:57:13 -0400, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/26/2021 4:46 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> Where it says Publix Sticks Salt, that's a 1 lb. box containing 4 sticks
>> of salted butter, not sticks of salt. :)
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/BnSMhPGC/publix.jpg
>>
>> In the recent Big Biscuits thread, Boron mentioned Mason Dixie brand
>> frozen biscuits. The only ones they had of that brand were the cheddar
>> biscuits but what the heck, I bought a box to give them a try. And yes,
>> I bought another bag of Mary B's buttermilk biscuits, too.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Good thing you got a "promotion".

Jill got a promotion? Is she now Head Gossip?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 10:57:15 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>
> I don't know why Thomas English
> muffins are so expensive, but they are about the same price here. The
> generic store brand ones taste the same, and they are $1.99 for the same
> size. The only difference is that you have to cut them in half with a
> knife, they don't pull apart at all.
>

Next time use a fork to break/cut those English muffins. You'll find you get
better results than with a knife.

[Michael Trew]

That's how the Thomas muffins are, but the Giant Eagle (store) brand
ones are a bit more dense, less holes in them. I tried; they shred.
You basically have to slice them.

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

You Americans have a rather strange definition of "biscuits".

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 5:42:58 PM UTC-4, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
> Of course I know "Canadian bacon" isn't bacon.

Sure it is. Not all bacon is made from pork belly. What we call
"Canadian bacon" is specifically back bacon.

Some areas refer to cured and smoked pork shoulder as "cottage bacon".

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

jmcquown wrote:
> Next time I need some cream I'll definitely check Walmart. It's
> actually halfway between my house and the office. Problem is the
> traffic trying to get in and out of it.

To avoid traffic on the streets, and in the stores, learn to shop early
while most people are still sleeping.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

I've always used a fork to split English muffins. Whether it's the Thomas,
Aldi, Kroger, or Walmart brand. Sure, I lose a few crumbs, but not enough
to make a difference.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

You heard that, Jill. Next time you make sure your butt is at Walmart
at 6:00 a.m. on the dot! No excuses.

[Sheldon Martin]

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:56:36 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 26, 2021 at 3:47:05 PM UTC-5, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> Where it says Publix Sticks Salt, that's a 1 lb. box containing 4 sticks
>> of salted butter, not sticks of salt. :)
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/BnSMhPGC/publix.jpg
>>
>> Jill
>>
>May I ask how large that carton of heavy whipping was??

Heavy whipping what?

[Ed Pawlowski]

That is why I buy Bay's. Already cut. They never seem to split right
for me.

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:49:32 -0400, Sheldon Martin <penm...@aol.com>
wrote:

Just heavy whipping. She's into heavy whipping, apparently.

[jmcquown]

I drink milk and I use it to cook with. If I buy a half gallon I might
drink/use it up before it turns, then again I might not. I never buy a
gallon of milk. I used to freeze half gallons of milk but the potential
for spoilage before using it up remains. The milk on the receipt is
shelf-stable. It doesn't need to be refrigerated until after it is
opened and because it is ultra-pasteurized an open carton lasts for
weeks in the fridge. It's a bit pricey but beats the heck out of
pouring spoiled milk down the drain.

Jill

[Hank Rogers]

Is it like heavy sniffing?

[jmcquown]

Yeah... that's not happening. I do have a few "excuses", though. :)
For one thing, it's still pitch dark at 6AM and there are no street
lights between my house and *any* stores but there are plenty of deer
leaping out in front of cars on these 2-lane country roads. I see them
dead by the side of the road frequently. (I do NOT want to know what my
car would look like - or me for that matter - after a collision with a
deer.) Another other quite obvious reason is I do most of my shopping
these days on my way home from work. The main reason, however, is I
would rather sleep than go grocery shopping at the crack of dawn. :)

Jill

[Cindy Hamilton]

You don't need to make any excuses.

I don't shop at 6 am, either. Nobody's business why.

Cindy Hamilton

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

I don't shop at 6 am either, but I'm not secretive about why.

[jmcquown]

I know Cindy, but Gary makes such a big deal out of shopping for
groceries at 6AM. From what I gather he doesn't have to drive to any
grocery store (his van died and he's not replacing it) so for Gary, the
only "traffic" involved is *people* in the store. That's not really the
issue at hand, but hey, he shops at 6AM! Aren't you thrilled? I'll go
to Walmart and deal with the street traffic if it will save me 50% on
heavy cream next time I need it. Not at 6AM.

Jill

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 16:10:19 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

Gary's not vaccinated. He can't go places when other people go there
too. He shuffles around in the back alleys and limits his outside
activities to the unchristian hours of the day, when everybody else is
asleep.

[Michael Trew]

Hmm, I've never had such a milk. I thought that "shelf stable" milk
came in a can or powdered form.

[Michael Trew]

On 10/27/2021 4:10 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> Gary

> his van died and he's not replacing it

Boy have I got a deal for him... I can deliver! ;)

[Michael Trew]

Spot on, fake Bruce

[Cindy Hamilton]

No, it's pasteurized at a higher temperature than the milk you find
in the dairy case, thus killing more of the bacteria that turn milk
sour. It's packaged the same way juice boxes are.

I think it tastes cooked. If I only used it for cooking, that obviously
wouldn't be a problem. We go through so much milk, spoilage isn't
an issue.

Cindy Hamilton

[Gary]

On 10/27/2021 11:01 AM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

She complains about the traffic. I offered a solution but she'll
complain about that too.

Perhaps a Walmart delivery will work. I did that last month.

[Gary]

Yeah, no worries. Different schedules for everyone.
I'm the odd one. Up no later than 4am and lately just after 3am. It will
only get worse in about 10 days when the time changes.

[Gary]

On 10/27/2021 4:10 PM, jmcquown wrote:

I'm just an early person, that's all.
I've never had a need for heavy cream. Seriously.
What are your needs for it?

[Gary]

:-D

[Ed Pawlowski]

I use it to finish Risotto, when mixing up a batch of pancakes. Rare
occasions for whipped cream.
It is OK for fettuccine Alfredo but I prefer just butter and cheese.

[Cindy Hamilton]

I use it for Chicken Makhani and in the gravy for chicken and dumplings.
Pan sauce for steak, sometimes. Whipped cream.

Cindy Hamilton

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

There is one Walmart Market about 8 miles from me and unless you are
there at midnight or thereabouts, it is nearly impossible to get out of their
parking lot. They desperately need a red light at that location as it is super
busy.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

> I've never had a need for heavy cream. Seriously.
> What are your needs for it?
>

I can't speak for Jill, but I have 3 or 4 recipes that specify heavy cream.
But I really can't understand your need to know why Jill needs it.

[Dave Smith]

We have a similar situation with the Walmart nearest me. There is a
Rona, a big Canadian Tire and a few smaller stores and only one road
accessing them all. It can be a real pain in the neck getting in and out
of there.

[Graham]

Still called Rona? It's owned by Lowe's now and most here have changed
names.

[jmcquown]

On 10/27/2021 11:27 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 10/27/2021 2:25 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/26/2021 11:57 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 10/26/2021 4:46 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Where it says Publix Sticks Salt, that's a 1 lb. box containing 4
>>>> sticks
>>>> of salted butter, not sticks of salt. :)
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/BnSMhPGC/publix.jpg
>>>>
>>>> In the recent Big Biscuits thread, Boron mentioned Mason Dixie brand
>>>> frozen biscuits. The only ones they had of that brand were the cheddar
>>>> biscuits but what the heck, I bought a box to give them a try. And yes,
>>>> I bought another bag of Mary B's buttermilk biscuits, too.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>

>>> I take it that you're a milk fan?  I've noticed it's pricier in other
>>> places... a gallon is about $2 and change here; half gallons are $1
>>> and change.  It's cheaper to get a gallon, but it'll usually turn
>>> before I use it all, so I get the half gallons.
>>>
>>
>> I drink milk and I use it to cook with. If I buy a half gallon I might
>> drink/use it up before it turns, then again I might not. I never buy a
>> gallon of milk. I used to freeze half gallons of milk but the potential
>> for spoilage before using it up remains. The milk on the receipt is
>> shelf-stable. It doesn't need to be refrigerated until after it is
>> opened and because it is ultra-pasteurized an open carton lasts for
>> weeks in the fridge. It's a bit pricey but beats the heck out of pouring
>> spoiled milk down the drain.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Hmm, I've never had such a milk.  I thought that "shelf stable" milk
> came in a can or powdered form.

There is powdered milk and canned evaporated or canned sweetened milk,
of course. These cartons of milk are on the same aisle as those things
(the baking aisle), right next to cartons of shelf-stable almond and
other "nut milks".

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 10/28/2021 9:04 AM, Gary wrote:

>> groceries at 6AM. (snipped self) I'll go

>> to Walmart and deal with the street traffic if it will save me 50% on
>> heavy cream next time I need it.  Not at 6AM.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I'm just an early person, that's all.
> I've never had a need for heavy cream. Seriously.
> What are your needs for it?
>

Quiches, some soups.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

The last time I drive by it was still Rona. That was just a few weeks ago.

[Graham]

I like to keep a carton of shelf-stable, sterilised milk on hand for
emergencies - i.e., I run out of conventional, pasteurised and it's -25C
outside.
The trouble is that it's not always available and I suppose that it's
made only when there is a surplus.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 3:45:50 PM UTC-4, Graham wrote:

> I like to keep a carton of shelf-stable, sterilised milk on hand for
> emergencies - i.e., I run out of conventional, pasteurised and it's -25C
> outside.

Makes me glad I live where I do, and glad that I have four gallons of
fresh milk in the basement fridge.

Well, two at the moment (and a full gallon in the kitchen fridge), but Saturday
after grocery shopping there will be four.

They're predicting a La Nina for this year, which should bring us another
warm and wet winter. Which probably will mean it never gets "too cold to snow",
but not so warm that it arrives as rain.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

I don't see cold (brrrrrr!) temps like that; I sure as heck wouldn't
want to go to the store looking for milk under those frozen conditions!

One of the reasons I did start buying shelf-stable milk was for weather
related emergencies (hurricane power outages). I can cook lots of
things on a charcoal grill, not limited to grilling meats & veggies.

I keep several bags of ice in the stand-alone freezer and some frozen
1/2 gallon plastic milk jugs filled with water. I have a large
well-insulated ice chest. An opened carton of shelf-stable milk in the
ice chest could last for weeks without spoiling. Never had that
situation arise yet but that's one reason.

Jill

[jmcquown]

On 10/28/2021 4:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 3:45:50 PM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>
>> I like to keep a carton of shelf-stable, sterilised milk on hand for
>> emergencies - i.e., I run out of conventional, pasteurised and it's -25C
>> outside.
>
> Makes me glad I live where I do, and glad that I have four gallons of
> fresh milk in the basement fridge.
>
> Well, two at the moment (and a full gallon in the kitchen fridge), but Saturday
> after grocery shopping there will be four.
>

You do go through a heck of a lot of milk.

> They're predicting a La Nina for this year, which should bring us another
> warm and wet winter. Which probably will mean it never gets "too cold to snow",
> but not so warm that it arrives as rain.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I've been hearing about La Nina on the Weather Channel. Should I
interpret that as you'll get wet slushy snow that will melt and freeze
again overnight and create road hazards?

It's been quite a while since I had to think about snow. The last time
it snowed here (2018) it was a lark for lots of people. Some kids had
never seen snow so they were thrilled. Some people in area
neighborhoods managed to build little snowmen and snap pics of them.
The snow was mostly gone the next day, roads clear. Good thing, too,
since there aren't any sand trucks to try to add traction on the roads
and bridges that connect this string of SE coastal islands.

Jill

[Dave Smith]

On 2021-10-28 4:37 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

> I've been hearing about La Nina on the Weather Channel.  Should I
> interpret that as you'll get wet slushy snow that will melt and freeze
> again overnight and create road hazards?
>
> It's been quite a while since I had to think about snow.  The last time
> it snowed here (2018) it was a lark for lots of people.  Some kids had
> never seen snow so they were thrilled.  Some people in area
> neighborhoods managed to build little snowmen and snap pics of them. The
> snow was mostly gone the next day, roads clear.  Good thing, too, since
> there aren't any sand trucks to try to add traction on the roads and
> bridges that connect this string of SE coastal islands.

For the number of times you guys get snow it just isn't worth the
investment in snow removal equipment. You probably don't ever get
enough that it would need to be plowed. Around here the sanders are out
a lot more often than the plows. They are out before, during and after
plowing, and a lot of the time they are able to deal with the snow and
ice on their own. The trick is to get the salt out early, just before
the snow or very soon after it started. Otherwise, the snow gets packed
down and icy and plows will ride up over the packed snow. Once that
happens it is very difficult to deal with.

It is probably cheaper and easier for you guys to just shut down and
stay off the streets for a day or two.

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:50:03 -0400, Dave Smith
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>On 2021-10-28 4:37 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>
>> I've been hearing about La Nina on the Weather Channel.  Should I
>> interpret that as you'll get wet slushy snow that will melt and freeze
>> again overnight and create road hazards?
>>
>> It's been quite a while since I had to think about snow.  The last time
>> it snowed here (2018) it was a lark for lots of people.  Some kids had
>> never seen snow so they were thrilled.  Some people in area
>> neighborhoods managed to build little snowmen and snap pics of them. The
>> snow was mostly gone the next day, roads clear.  Good thing, too, since
>> there aren't any sand trucks to try to add traction on the roads and
>> bridges that connect this string of SE coastal islands.
>
>
>For the number of times you guys get snow it just isn't worth the
>investment in snow removal equipment.

Duh.

[jmcquown]

On 10/28/2021 4:50 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-10-28 4:37 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>
>> I've been hearing about La Nina on the Weather Channel.  Should I
>> interpret that as you'll get wet slushy snow that will melt and freeze
>> again overnight and create road hazards?
>>
>> It's been quite a while since I had to think about snow.  The last
>> time it snowed here (2018) it was a lark for lots of people.  Some
>> kids had never seen snow so they were thrilled.  Some people in area
>> neighborhoods managed to build little snowmen and snap pics of them.
>> The snow was mostly gone the next day, roads clear.  Good thing, too,
>> since there aren't any sand trucks to try to add traction on the roads
>> and bridges that connect this string of SE coastal islands.
>
>
> For the number of times you guys get snow it just isn't worth the
> investment in snow removal equipment.

No kidding! :) The most recent time it snowed here was shortly before
your Georgia kayak trip. Prior to that it hadn't snowed in 20 years.
No way is anyone down here paying taxes for equipment that will only be
used every couple of decades.

> It is probably cheaper and easier for you guys to just shut down and
> stay off the streets for a day or two.
>

Didn't even last 30 hours. While it was still snowing I put on a heavy
wool coat (I never get to wear it), boots with tread, a wool scarf (no,
I didn't name it), a hat and gloves and went out walking around. It was
still snowing, we got about 4 inches of powdery snow. It was very
pretty. :)

Jill

[Dave Smith]

On 2021-10-28 5:04 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/28/2021 4:50 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> For the number of times you guys get snow it just isn't worth the
>> investment in snow removal equipment.
>
> No kidding! :)  The most recent time it snowed here was shortly before
> your Georgia kayak trip.  Prior to that it hadn't snowed in 20 years. No
> way is anyone down here paying taxes for equipment that will only be
> used every couple of decades.

Oh yeah. I remember hearing about how wintery the weather was down there
as we were about to set off. We ran into light snow in the mountains of
west Virgina but once we got to Virginia it was like spring, and Georgia
was like our summer.

>> It is probably cheaper and easier for you guys to just shut down and
>> stay off the streets for a day or two.
>>
> Didn't even last 30 hours.  While it was still snowing I put on a heavy
> wool coat (I never get to wear it), boots with tread, a wool scarf (no,
> I didn't name it), a hat and gloves and went out walking around.  It was
> still snowing, we got about 4 inches of powdery snow.  It was very
> pretty. :)

About 30 years ago I went out to British Columbia to visit friends. I
had been told it rarely snows in Vancouver and Victoria. Well, it did
that year. There was close to 8 inches of snow in Victoria when I
arrived. It was all melted by the next day.

[US Janet]

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 16:20:36 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I have been using delivery from Costco, WalMart and Albertsons. With
the shipping holdups availability is becoming iffy. WalMart wants to
ship me things like a can of Cream of Mushroom soup and a 12 pack of
Pepsi. Costco is all out of toilet paper and certain kinds of
sandwich meat and so forth. Albertsons is a place to shop in person
to see what they have on the shelves.
I'm surprised about Costco and Walmart as those two companies have
said that they rented some ships of their own to speed up delivery.
Otherwise, shopping in winter on icy roads is easy ;))
Janet US

[jmcquown]

I'm sorry you have to worry about shopping and delivery when the roads
are icy. :(

Jill

[Michael Trew]

On 10/28/2021 4:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

Holy moly... I could never keep that much milk. Then again, I can't
stand drinking it. I had Nesquik or Ovaltine occasionally as a child,
but I doubt I would like that now either. I only use milk for cooking,
or the occasional bowl of overly sugary cereal (raisin bran... ick...
how about fruity pebbles ;) )

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 22:48:17 -0400, Michael Trew
<michae...@att.net> wrote:

>On 10/28/2021 4:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Makes me glad I live where I do, and glad that I have four gallons of
>> fresh milk in the basement fridge.
>>
>> Well, two at the moment (and a full gallon in the kitchen fridge), but Saturday
>> after grocery shopping there will be four.
>>
>> They're predicting a La Nina for this year, which should bring us another
>> warm and wet winter. Which probably will mean it never gets "too cold to snow",
>> but not so warm that it arrives as rain.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>Holy moly... I could never keep that much milk.

They weren't breastfed enough as a child and that gap can never be
filled, no matter how much milk they drink.

Glug glug, nom nom, gimme more!

[Michael Trew]

I suppose I've just never looked for them before, I only think of the
evaporated or sweetened milk. I have seem the almond milk, too expensive.

[Michael Trew]

That saves the cars... I wish I lived in an area that didn't get salted.

This year is the first year on record, since 1870, where we haven't yet
had a frost in my region -- that's unheard of (I'm not complaining).
It's predicted to come November first.

[Michael Trew]

LOL

> a hat and gloves and went out walking around. It was
> still snowing, we got about 4 inches of powdery snow. It was very
> pretty. :)
>
> Jill

Jealous... I wouldn't care if I ever saw a flake of snow again.

[Michael Trew]

I could go with a Virginia beach vacation... do you prefer rusted out
station wagon, rusted out, pickup truck, or semi-rusted Geo Metro? ;)

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

Treat him to a McDonalds burger and he'll be happy.

[Michael Trew]

On 10/28/2021 9:04 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 10/27/2021 4:10 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>

>> I know Cindy, but Gary makes such a big deal out of shopping for

>> groceries at 6AM. From what I gather he doesn't have to drive to any
>> grocery store (his van died and he's not replacing it) so for Gary, the
>> only "traffic" involved is *people* in the store. That's not really the

>> issue at hand, but hey, he shops at 6AM! Aren't you thrilled? I'll go

>> to Walmart and deal with the street traffic if it will save me 50% on
>> heavy cream next time I need it. Not at 6AM.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I'm just an early person, that's all.
> I've never had a need for heavy cream. Seriously.

> What are your needs for it?

Certain soups, company's coffee (I drink mine black), and a few other
odds and ends recipes. I don't do fancy things with pasta, but I've
been meaning to try a cream sauce in pasta. It's thicker than milk in
many recipes. I use it in mashed/whipped potatoes on holidays.

[dsi1]

I saw one of these at Target the other day. I like how the bottom of the vent windows are smaller than the top. The funny thing about this place is that this car is probably owed by a guy of Portuguese heritage. The Hawaiians call them "pordagee." Whenever I see a hot rod, or vintage car, or dune buggy, the owner is always pordagee. I don't know why that is, it just is. I wish I was one pordagee.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/uFiF4mbQKumkTZYU8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qHjr1dtiFrxJCjC99

[S Viemeister]

On 29/10/2021 04:10, Michael Trew wrote:

> Certain soups, company's coffee (I drink mine black), and a few other
> odds and ends recipes.  I don't do fancy things with pasta, but I've
> been meaning to try a cream sauce in pasta.  It's thicker than milk in
> many recipes.  I use it in mashed/whipped potatoes on holidays.

I used it last night to make quick dumplings for chicken-and-dumplings.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 4:37:24 PM UTC-4, j_mc...@comcast.net wrote:
> On 10/28/2021 4:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 3:45:50 PM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
> >
> >> I like to keep a carton of shelf-stable, sterilised milk on hand for
> >> emergencies - i.e., I run out of conventional, pasteurised and it's -25C
> >> outside.
> >
> > Makes me glad I live where I do, and glad that I have four gallons of
> > fresh milk in the basement fridge.
> >
> > Well, two at the moment (and a full gallon in the kitchen fridge), but Saturday
> > after grocery shopping there will be four.
> >
> You do go through a heck of a lot of milk.
> > They're predicting a La Nina for this year, which should bring us another
> > warm and wet winter. Which probably will mean it never gets "too cold to snow",
> > but not so warm that it arrives as rain.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> I've been hearing about La Nina on the Weather Channel. Should I
> interpret that as you'll get wet slushy snow that will melt and freeze
> again overnight and create road hazards?

A lot depends on exactly how warm the temperature gets and stays.
If it's very cold, the air is too cold to hold much water and it doesn't
snow. If it's a little warmer, we get a ton of snow. If it's warmer still,
we get wet snow/sleet/freezing rain. A little warmer and it's all rain.
We won't know until it gets here, but the Great Lakes tend to keep
lower Michigan a little warmer than surrounding states.

Regardless, the roads are plowed if needed and salted within an inch
of the watershed's life. They rarely are slippery except first thing in
the morning.

Cindy Hamilton

[Cindy Hamilton]

I'd be satisfied if it snowed only on Christmas Eve. I'm starting to
really hate snow removal.

But I wouldn't want it to be warm all winter. No armadillos or fire ants,
thanks.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

On 10/29/2021 5:11 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I'd be satisfied if it snowed only on Christmas Eve. I'm starting to
> really hate snow removal.
>
> But I wouldn't want it to be warm all winter. No armadillos or fire ants,
> thanks.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

The man I work for has a horrible problem with fire ants in his yard.
(I've never encountered any, but then again I'm not the putter around
the yard, gardening type.) Oh, and he showed me a video his wife took
of an armadillo wandering around in their back yard. I've never seen
one of those up close and personal, either. Their house sits on about
an acre of land, waterfront property (they built a 500ft. deep water
dock in the back). I'm not sure if that makes any difference.

Jill

[jmcquown]

Thanks for the explanation! I know wet snow/sleet/freezing rain from
living in the Memphis area. The city/county weren't equipped to handle
that sort of stuff on the roads. :(

Jill

[jmcquown]

Since I'm not lactose intolerant or a vegan I really don't get the point
of almond milk or soy milk or oat milk.

Jill

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 3:45:50 PM UTC-4, Graham wrote:
>
> > I like to keep a carton of shelf-stable, sterilised milk on hand for
> > emergencies - i.e., I run out of conventional, pasteurised and it's -25C
> > outside.
> Makes me glad I live where I do, and glad that I have four gallons of
> fresh milk in the basement fridge.
>
> Well, two at the moment (and a full gallon in the kitchen fridge), but Saturday
> after grocery shopping there will be four.

In France milk is a beverage deemed suitable only for infants and small children.

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:44:47 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

I'm not lactose intolerant or a vegan either, but I prefer oat milk to
moo milk.

[Gary]

On 10/28/2021 12:01 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:

> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>> On 10/27/2021 4:10 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>

>>> I'll go
>>> to Walmart and deal with the street traffic if it will save me 50% on
>>> heavy cream next time I need it. Not at 6AM.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>

>> I've never had a need for heavy cream. Seriously.
>> What are your needs for it?
>>

> I can't speak for Jill, but I have 3 or 4 recipes that specify heavy cream.
> But I really can't understand your need to know why Jill needs it.

Not just Jill. I was just talking to Jill at the time so I asked. I've
never had a need to use it. No worries.

New England clam chowder would be a good use but I never make that. I
always make (from scratch) clear clam chowder.

[Gary]

That's always a good start! :-)

[Cindy Hamilton]

Last time I looked, I wasn't living in France.

Cindy Hamilton

[jmcquown]

Damn, Cindy, you didn't know a French contingent (likely from Montreal)
managed to invade Ann Arbor and now you're not supposed to drink milk? ;)

It wasn't all that long ago the French gave wine to very young children
to drink *in school*. I put much stock in the French. I don't actually
care what they or Bruce or anyone else thinks about adults drinking
milk. I love milk, I drink it. That's not going to change.

Jill

[jmcquown]

I forgot about drop dumplings. I do use it to make dumplings to simmer
in chicken stew *if* I have cream on hand. Milk works but they are
better made with cream.

I have a cut up chicken in the freezer and have been thinking about
making a pot of chicken & dumplings. Maybe next week. I've got the
cream. :)

Jill

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

Neither is my frogger.

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:22:34 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

That wasn't me, dummy.

[jmcquown]

On 10/28/2021 11:59 AM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 8:02:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>> On 10/27/2021 11:01 AM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 7:29:55 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>> To avoid traffic on the streets, and in the stores, learn to shop early
>>>> while most people are still sleeping.
>>>>
>>> You heard that, Jill. Next time you make sure your butt is at Walmart
>>> at 6:00 a.m. on the dot! No excuses.
>>>
>> She complains about the traffic. I offered a solution but she'll
>> complain about that too.
>>
>> Perhaps a Walmart delivery will work. I did that last month.
>>
> There is one Walmart Market about 8 miles from me and unless you are
> there at midnight or thereabouts, it is nearly impossible to get out of their
> parking lot. They desperately need a red light at that location as it is super
> busy.
>
On my drive home, the street as you approach the Walmart has signs (has
had for years, well *before* the Walmart was built) telling people to
merge right because the left lane ends. Guess who the idiots are who
try to stay on the left side of the road until the last minute? The
people in a rush to get to Walmart. Yes, there's a left turn lane
further up the road but first you have to merge into the single lane and
drive for what, another 200 feet? These people are idiots. The Walmart
isn't going anywhere. They did put in a stop light but only in that one
spot. There are multiple ways to get in and out, all of which come out
on that same 2 lane road. So you have people pulling out in front of
you from the garden center area, no stop light, they want to turn left
certainly do pull out in front of oncoming traffic.

As for delivery, I'm not always at home. I would only ever consider
having dry goods delivered, not something like cartons of cream. I'm
also not paying for delivery.

Jill

[Ed Pawlowski]

Often called Rhode Island chowder.

[Hank Rogers]

A damn close match though!

[Hank Rogers]

He's got your number though.

[jmcquown]

Yep, although cream would certainly be called for in New England Clam
Chowder. I expect Sheldon to show up soon and talk about the tomato
based Manhattan chowder which also contains clam juice.

Jill

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Why did France give the Statue of Liberty to the USA?

Because the French had no use for a statue with only *one* hand in the air.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On 10/29/2021 9:44 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> Since I'm not lactose intolerant or a vegan I really don't get the point
> of almond milk or soy milk or oat milk.
>
> Jill
>

The whole world should cow tow to your pointless school marm points, biotch.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 9:14:50 AM UTC-5, Bruce 0.77 Beta wrote:
>
> I'm not lactose intolerant or a vegan either, but I prefer oat milk to
> moo milk.
>

Why?

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 1:21:41 PM UTC-5, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Why did France give the Statue of Liberty to the USA?
>
> Because the French had no use for a statue with only *one* hand in the air.
>

G R O A N

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Hey! I agree with her! Give me milk any day, not these sugar laden substitutes.

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

I prefer the flavour. Nutty and a bit sweet. And it doesn't remind me
of "school milk" :)

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

Sugar laden substitutes? I don't know, but the oat milk I sometimes
drink has no additives and isn't sweetened.

[Ed Pawlowski]

Why is oat milk bad for you?

What's clear is that the process that turns oats into oat milk
transforms complex starches into maltose, a simple sugar. More refined
carbohydrates, like maltose, are worse for you than complex carbs. They
cause a bigger rise in blood glucose and insulin levels, which you don't
want.

Does oat milk make you poop more?
Oat milk can minimize straining and constipation due to the presence of
fiber. This in turn can help you poop and pass stool smoothly. Fiber
present in oat milk soothes you from IBS and constipation by minimizing
constipation and making you poop

Why does oat milk give me diarrhea?
Certain commercial oat milk products contain higher amounts of sugar.
That's unhealthy because sugar in excessive amounts can reverse the
health benefits of oat milk. Apart from this, not all the products are
free from gluten. If you are gluten intolerant, it causes issues related
to your stomach like diarrhea.

Is oat milk good for your liver?
Oat milk contains 45% of your daily recommended intake of riboflavin,
also known as vitamin B2. Riboflavin helps the body to convert food into
fuel and is necessary for a healthy liver, hair, skin, and eyes.

[Bruce 0.77 Beta]

But what is your point? So healthwise it's a mixed bag, just like with
cow milk.