Dangers of lead crystal?

[Polly Esther]

My cake cover dome thing is thin pitiful plastic and I'm thinking I'd really
enjoy having a beautiful crystal cover for cake display/temporary (very).
To save bothering you all, I really did look around about the dangers of
lead crystal and killing off myself and family and friends. Too much
information and too confusing on the search. I'm just not bright enough to
evaluate the difference in the dangers of lead crystal decanters (not the
issue anyway) and the safety of a cake cover. Please help. Polly

[Wayne Boatwright]

On Fri 10 Jan 2014 11:01:57p, Polly Esther told us...

Lead crystal has been used for centuries for all sorts of things,
including wine and liquor decanters. We have several liquor decanters
that have been in constant use for at leasts 3 decades and no problems
here. YMMV Having said that, as a cake cover I can't imagine it could
pose any sort of problem at all.

--

~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~

~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~

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Wayne Boatwright

[jmcquown]

You do realize you can buy beautiful "crystal" cake covers that don't
contain lead? There are some gorgeous glass ones available online, too.

Jill

[Julie Bove]

"Polly Esther" <Poll...@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:bjc52m...@mid.individual.net...

Would be fine so long as it doesn't touch the cake. Just put the cake on a
close fitting cake board. You can get fancy looking ones at a shop that
sells cake decorating supplies. Failing that then use whatever you have in
the house such as plastic wrap, waxed paper or foil. Trim it as closely as
possible to fit the cake. And if anything still shows, then just pipe some
icing around the bottom or use some other form of decoration.

I have very little lead crystal any more. Half of my wine glasses broke as
did most of my candy dishes and the flower vase, all purchased in the late
70's/early 80's at Princess House parties.

I think the only piece I have is a candy bowl that currently has Splenda
packets in it.

It is my understanding that the greatest danger of lead crystal is to
children and that putting liquid in it such as wine causes more lead to
leach out than it would be for a more dry type of food. That being said, I
will only use mine now for wrapped things. Just to be safe.

[Julie Bove]

"jmcquown" <j_mc...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:bjc5m4...@mid.individual.net...

I did wonder about that. If it doesn't say lead crystal, then it's most
likely just cut glass. They are made though. Here is one. As I feared, it
is quite heavy.

http://www.etsy.com/listing/155663699/large-lead-crystal-cake-dome-vintage

But that's just the dome. Should be perfectly safe if the cake is put on
something that's not lead. The top won't touch the cake.

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 1/11/2014 1:01 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
>

For a cake dish, no problem. Some liquids are said to case lead to
leach out, but even that is minimal. We have quite a bit of Tyronne
crystal and use it frequently, even for alcoholic beverages. .

I found this interesting.
http://www.riedel.com/all-about-riedel/what-is-lead-crystal/
WHAT IS LEAD CRYSTAL?

In 1674, Ravenscroft discovered the positive effect of adding lead oxide
to the glass composition (quartz, chalk, soda and potassium). Since
then, the highest quality, finest glassware, has been executed in lead
crystal. Today the word "lead" has a negative connotation. However the
"lead" oxide in glass is totally integrated into the molecular
structure, which enables us to continue to use it. Regarding lead
leaching, worldwide legal standards are met and also surpassed. This
legal and official authorization, which allows the production of
drinking vessels executed in lead crystal, proves that consumers may use
lead crystal on a daily basis and do not need to be concerned about any
risk to health.

[Janet]

In article <bjc52m...@mid.individual.net>, Poll...@cableone.net
says...

Sorry to hear about your problem.

The educational-deficit complaint should be addressed to your parents;
ask them if it's too late to be adopted.

Meanwhile, for your own sake, abstain from cake.

Janet UK

[Polly Esther]

Polly

>>
>> My cake cover dome thing is thin pitiful plastic and I'm thinking I'd
>> really
>> enjoy having a beautiful crystal cover for cake display/temporary (very).
>> To save bothering you all, I really did look around about the dangers of
>> lead crystal and killing off myself and family and friends. Too much
>> information and too confusing on the search. I'm just not bright enough
>> to
>> evaluate the difference in the dangers of lead crystal decanters (not the
>> issue anyway) and the safety of a cake cover. Please help. Polly

Thank you all for the very helpful answers. Just looking around, I find all
manner of beautiful cake domes; some even mention using them for taxidermy.
Now that's an art I don't think I'll pursue. Polly

[sf]

Buy the cake dome, it won't kill you unless you use it to slit your
wrists. Heck, buy a crystal decanter too - but use it to serve and
not to store.

--
"Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans"
(Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

[Victor Sack]

A cover of this kind is no problem at all.

In a lead-crystal container, such as decanter, lead could leach into the
(liquid) contents. Here is what I once posted in a similar thread:
I think it was Decanter, a British wine (but occasionally spirits, too)
magazine which once conducted a test. It was many years ago and I don't
remember the results exactly, but they seemed to indicate that lead
leaching into the decanter's contents is a function of time. IIRC, the
conclusions were that, if you leave your whisk(e)y (or whatever) in the
decanter for weeks or months at the time, you should be careful; if you
leave it there for a few days, you shouldn't worry too much.

Victor

[Brooklyn1]

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 00:01:57 -0600, "Polly Esther"
<Poll...@cableone.net> wrote:

>

For a cake dish I don't think leaded glass poses a problem but it does
for drinking glasses... leaded crystal is no long manufactured in the
US. If you have fancy leaded crystal I suggest you use it for display
only.

[Nancy2]

Any measurable danger from lead crystal is BS science. Are you susceptible to fear-mongers?
Do you really think lead could "leach" from a cake cover to the food it is covering? Think
about it.



N.

[Nunya Bidnits]

It can if it's that there leaping lead.

[Janet]

In article <lat638$n8n$1...@dont-email.me>, nunyabidnits@eternal-
september.invalid says...

The real danger comes when you have a cockroach trapped in there with
the cake, trampling lead residue with every step.

Janet UK

[Gary]

Janet wrote:
>
> nunyabidnits says...

> >
> > Nancy2 <ellor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Any measurable danger from lead crystal is BS science. Are you
> > > susceptible to fear-mongers? Do you really think lead could "leach"
> > > from a cake cover to the food it is covering? Think about it.

> > It can if it's that there leaping lead.
>
> The real danger comes when you have a cockroach trapped in there with
> the cake, trampling lead residue with every step.
>
> Janet UK

LMAO! Good one, Janet UK!

G.

[Michael Kuettner]

Yes.
But whisk(e)y hasn't enough acid to leach out the lead.
I think people get lead waterpipes (18th century onwards and also the
Roman empire) mixed up with lead crystal.

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

[Nunya Bidnits]

At least all your cockroaches will share your lead based learning
disabilities.

[Victor Sack]

Michael Kuettner <Michael....@gmx.at> wrote:

> Victor Sack wrote:
> >
> > In a lead-crystal container, such as decanter, lead could leach into the
> > (liquid) contents. Here is what I once posted in a similar thread:
> > I think it was Decanter, a British wine (but occasionally spirits, too)
> > magazine which once conducted a test. It was many years ago and I don't
> > remember the results exactly, but they seemed to indicate that lead
> > leaching into the decanter's contents is a function of time. IIRC, the
> > conclusions were that, if you leave your whisk(e)y (or whatever) in the
> > decanter for weeks or months at the time, you should be careful; if you
> > leave it there for a few days, you shouldn't worry too much.
> >

> But whisk(e)y hasn't enough acid to leach out the lead.

It is acidic enough to do that.

> I think people get lead waterpipes (18th century onwards and also the
> Roman empire) mixed up with lead crystal.

There is no mix-up. It is a proven fact that such liquids as wines and
spirits do leach the lead out of lead crystal.

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1694534/pdf/amjph00549-0089.pdf>
<http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/19/science/storing-wine-in-crystal-decanters-may-pose-lead-hazard.html>
<http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PII0140-6736%2891%2990803-W/abstract>
<http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Beverages+intoxicated+by+lead+in+crystal.-a09364442>
<http://www.porcupinehu.on.ca/inspection/documents/leadcrystal_02_27_2007e.pdf>
<http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/prod/crystal-cristal-eng.php#po>
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/20/AR2006062000318.html>

Victor

[Brooklyn1]

On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 23:19:26 +0100, azaz...@koroviev.de (Victor Sack)
wrote:

Yep, plain water will leach lead from leaded glass, that's why lead
water pipes are no longer permitted. I have several leaded crystal
decanters but I stopped using them to store booze long ago.

[RDP]

On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 22:35:41 -0600, Nunya Bidnits wrote:

> It can if it's that there leaping lead.

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4/16/10
Re: ''Internet stalker'' Nunya Bidnitscaptured.


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