OT: Fawns

[jmcquown]

Saw them behind my house yesterday afternoon. :)

https://i.postimg.cc/13cM36xJ/fawns.jpg

Jill

[Bambi]

jmcquown wrote:

> Saw them behind my house yesterday afternoon. :)
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/13cM36xJ/fawns.jpg
>

Deer are vociferous pests who destroy vegetation and spread disease.

Are you too fucking stupid to realise that?

You might as well take pictures of rats and post them ;)


What problems are caused by deer?

Over-abundant deer populations reduce the diversity of plants and other wildlife species found in the forest.

High levels of browsing by deer can completely remove the shrub and tree seedling layers in a forest.

Many native wildflower species are also preferred deer foods.


Are deer destroying the ecosystem?

Deer browsing also disrupts the ground nesting of certain species, including amphibians, destroys certain plant activity and reduces trees and seedlings.


What problems do deer cause?

White-tailed deer directly affect many aspects of our lives. Hunters, farmers, foresters, motorists, gardeners, and homeowners
are all impacted by deer abundance levels.

This may be through car deer collisions, disease transmission, loss of desirable landscaping, crop damage, or over-browsed woodlands.

[John Kuthe]

Beautiful! :-)

John Kuthe, RN, BSN

[GM]

Deer are ABSOLUTELY fucking USELESS - just like EWE...!!!

😁

--
GM

[Thomas]

Plus 1.

[Thomas]

This is so much much better. Life in san fran.

https://postimg.cc/SXwBgNpb

[Bruce]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 08:57:31 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Saw them behind my house yesterday afternoon. :)
>
>https://i.postimg.cc/13cM36xJ/fawns.jpg

Makes RFC hungry, doesn't it?

[Bruce]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:17:35 -0700 (PDT), Thomas <cano...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>This is so much much better. Life in san fran.
>
>https://postimg.cc/SXwBgNpb
>

The waste products of an unbridled-capitalist society.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 7:57:41 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>

They are beautiful creatures and what a great picture.

It's been about three years since I saw a doe and her two half-grown
fawns go flashing through my backyard in the wee hours of a bitterly
cold morning.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 7:57:41 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Saw them behind my house yesterday afternoon. :)
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/13cM36xJ/fawns.jpg
>>
>> Jill
>>
>They are beautiful creatures and what a great picture.

Are they also beautiful outside of the pan?

[Bryan Simmons]

They're lucky that they're not in *your* yard, because you are
starving, and deer are tasty. Wait...you're not starving. That
was a lie. I guess that is to be expected from a liar. If lying
really did make a person's pants catch on fire, your glabrous
balls would be burned to a crisp.
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN
LIAR

--Bryan

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

Is there another picture?? The one I saw and commented on, the deer
were grazing under a tree and not in a pan.

Some people enjoy Bambi burgers, but I've never had one.

[S Viemeister]

Bambi Bolognese is very tasty.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:12:33 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >They are beautiful creatures and what a great picture.
>> >
>> Are they also beautiful outside of the pan?
>>
>Is there another picture?? The one I saw and commented on, the deer
>were grazing under a tree and not in a pan.
>
>Some people enjoy Bambi burgers, but I've never had one.

I thought many RFC'ers would look at that picture and think of food.

[Bruce]

There you go.

[jmcquown]

The wife of a friend in the office building where I work makes venison
meatloaf. It's delicious.

Jill

[S Viemeister]

I look at them and think of all the ticks I've had to remove since deer
started coming down from the hill and invading my garden. We have stone
walls, and stock fencing all around the property, but they just sail
over, eat the plants in my garden, and leave crap and ticks behind them.

It was never a problem here, but the last ten or so years have seen a
major increase in their population.

[Hank Rogers]

Do you remember Popeye's post about his "horny boy"?

A picture of a male deer, on his vast estate?

[jmcquown]

On 7/22/2023 2:58 PM, itsjoan...@webtv.net wrote:
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 7:57:41 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> Saw them behind my house yesterday afternoon. :)
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/13cM36xJ/fawns.jpg
>>
>> Jill
>>
> They are beautiful creatures and what a great picture.
>

Thanks! I thought it was a pretty nice pic. :)

> It's been about three years since I saw a doe and her two half-grown
> fawns go flashing through my backyard in the wee hours of a bitterly
> cold morning.

Momma doe was nearby. The fawns had been frolicking but finally stopped
to graze so I was able to snap the photo.

Jill

[Bruce]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 20:26:27 -0400, jmcquown <j_mc...@comcast.net>
wrote:

There you go.

[Bruce]

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"

<itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 2:12:33 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:58:46 -0700 (PDT), "itsjoan...@webtv.net"
>> <itsjoan...@webtv.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >They are beautiful creatures and what a great picture.
>> >
>> Are they also beautiful outside of the pan?
>>
>Is there another picture?? The one I saw and commented on, the deer
>were grazing under a tree and not in a pan.
>
>Some people enjoy Bambi burgers, but I've never had one.

Only because your taste buds are too conservative.

[Bruce]

Kangaroos and wallabies bring ticks and fleas here. One good thing is
that they don't eat what we're interested in, mainly just grass. They
leave ornamentals and fruit trees alone and they can't get to the
vegetables, if they'd even eat them.

[itsjoan...@webtv.net]

That doesn't mean I'd refuse one if offered to me.

[Hank Rogers]

Ghe Ghe !

[Leonard Blaisdell]

s/unbridled-capitalist/unbridled-socialist/g

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-22, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

No! Pull the trigger and the work begins. Trust me.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-23, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

> I look at them and think of all the ticks I've had to remove since deer
> started coming down from the hill and invading my garden. We have stone
> walls, and stock fencing all around the property, but they just sail
> over, eat the plants in my garden, and leave crap and ticks behind them.

I have a couple of phobias. Ticks are one. The Fall, when hunting
season is, ticks migrate to the dead deer's nose. Fortunately, Fall
isn't questing season for ticks.
One or two dozen ticks still creep me out on a dead deer's nose, but
they're not hungry. Around here, questing season is Spring. It probably
is everywhere, whenever Spring arrives.
When it's springtime, travel in the tall grass at one's own risk.

[GM]

What that pic shows, Thomas, is the end result of ghastly government - sanctioned (HUD) social services policies...

Specifically the misbegotten "Do No Harm", " Trauma - Informed ", and " Client - Centered " policies as they apply to the homeless...

Billions are spent to "solve homelessness" - yet the problem only grows *worse* - all fed by the evil Homeless - Industrial Complex...

In this case, President Reagan's quip about "We're the government, and we're here to help you..." couldn't ring truer...

--
GM

[S Viemeister]

On 23/07/2023 02:32, Bruce wrote:

> Kangaroos and wallabies bring ticks and fleas here. One good thing is
> that they don't eat what we're interested in, mainly just grass. They
> leave ornamentals and fruit trees alone and they can't get to the
> vegetables, if they'd even eat them.
>

I think we've figured out where the beasts usually sneak in.
When that section of standard-height fencing needs replacing again,
it'll be 6 or 7 feet high.
Anything less doesn't stop them.

They don't appear to like chives.
I have a giant pot of chives at the front of the house, because they're
pretty, and I use them in the kitchen. After a visit by the local deer,
I found half the chives chopped off, with most of them lying on the
ground next to the pot.
It seems one taste was enough, and they haven't touched that pot since.
Perhaps I should plant chives all around the plants I need to protect...

[S Viemeister]

On 23/07/2023 07:06, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

We go through vast quantities of tick repellent, applied to both skin
and clothing. It's like putting on a suit of armor before venturing out
into the field. And I always carry my nifty little tick removal tool and
hand sanitizer.

[Bruce]

Do the deer jump over fences that are under 6 ft? At high speed, I
assume?

[Bruce]

I've pulled a tick out of my neck twice before. I'm more worried that
the cats will get them.

As a vet once told us: Ticks love it here 10 months of the year. The
other 2 months they like it here.

[S Viemeister]

Any vegetable garden with fencing under 6 ft, is a deer cafeteria.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 11:41:51 +0100, S Viemeister
<firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>On 23/07/2023 11:35, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Do the deer jump over fences that are under 6 ft? At high speed, I
>> assume?
>>
>Any vegetable garden with fencing under 6 ft, is a deer cafeteria.

So they jump over? I know that kangaroos duck under regular barbed
wire fences at high speed. As if they're not there.

[S Viemeister]

Yes, they jump over. Our fencing has a couple of lines of barbed wire at
the top, but the rest is rabbit fencing. The rabbit fencing doesn't stop
the rabbits - they just dig under it, but it does keep the sheep and
cattle out. Our place is surrounded by common grazing land.

[Thomas]

My wife is on ssd - disability from lyme. It will ruin you.

[Bruce]

The worst was when a nasty tick worked its way into my scrotum.

[Bruce]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 11:56:08 +0100, S Viemeister

We don't have rabbits, but we have neighbouring cattle grazing.
Sometimes they break into our property. That's ok -the more they eat
the less I have to mow- but our street side fences aren't good enough
to keep cattle inside.

[S Viemeister]

The feu charter for our property includes a requirement for
fencing/walls adequate to keep the sheep and cattle out.n

[Bryan Simmons]

Saturate clothing with permethrin, and apply picaridin
or DEET to exposed skin.

--Bryan

[Graham]

Last Fall, a doe and fawn were often in my back garden, which didn't
bother me. Strangely, they didn't touch the large, luxuriant French
tarragon.

[lucr...@florence.it]

When I lived out of town one of the locals noticing a hosta plant in
my garden told me they called them 'deer lettuce' - and they
certainly did favour them before anything else. Same local told me if
I wanted to keep them away from the veggie patch to put pee around the
perimeter, it works because it's territory marking they understand.

My neighbour laughed but he soon saw them staying away from my patch,
so he did the same and benefitted too.

[Cindy Hamilton]

On 2023-07-23, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

Thanks for an opportunity to learn something. In this case,
what a feu charter is.

Land rights in Great Britain are as mystifying to me as
water rights in the U.S. western states.

--
Cindy Hamilton

[Dave Smith]

They are disgusting creatures and can be dangerous. I occasionally come
home with a couple on me. I have only ever had one embed itself in me
but I got it before it started chowing down on me. Unfortunately, the
body broke off and the head was stuck in me. I finally succumbed to
pressure to go to a doctor. He said there was nothing he could go. He
would just make a bigger mess of it than I already had. He said to leave
it and when it scabbed over it would fall out, and that is exactly what
happened.

[S Viemeister]

On 23/07/2023 14:31, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On 2023-07-23, <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>> The feu charter for our property includes a requirement for
>> fencing/walls adequate to keep the sheep and cattle out.
>

> Thanks for an opportunity to learn something. In this case,
> what a feu charter is.
>
> Land rights in Great Britain are as mystifying to me as
> water rights in the U.S. western states.
>

They even mystify people in the UK.

English and Scottish land laws are different, too, which can lead to
confusion when English people come up to Scotland to buy property.

[Dave Smith]

My best friend's parents had a lovely home in the hills near Shawnigan
Lake on Vancouver Island. They worked had to maintain a beautiful flower
garden but the deer did their damnedest to ingest everything they grew.
His father waged war on deer.... short of shooting and killing them.

[Dave Smith]

On 2023-07-23 9:02 a.m., lucr...@florence.it wrote:

> When I lived out of town one of the locals noticing a hosta plant in
> my garden told me they called them 'deer lettuce' - and they
> certainly did favour them before anything else. Same local told me if
> I wanted to keep them away from the veggie patch to put pee around the
> perimeter, it works because it's territory marking they understand.
>
> My neighbour laughed but he soon saw them staying away from my patch,
> so he did the same and benefitted too.

I have a nice bed of hostas in my front garden and the deer don't bother
it at all. In the winter I see lots of deer tracks across our front lawn
and I am assuming they cross it year round.

I have seen patches of poison ivy growing across my wife's dog walking
trail but then it disappears. I am assuming that the deer are eating it.
They seem to like it. One of the densest whitetail populations is on
Navy Island in the middle of the Niagara River. We go there
occasionally by kayak and explore the island. I have never seen so much
poison ivy but it is always low to the ground and shows signs of grazing.

That island is an interesting demonstration of the effect of deer on
vegetation. Much of the island is like a set for Robin Hood movie with
huge hardwood trees and short cropped vegetation. There are a few
areas that have been fenced off for natural regeneration.... 8 foot
fences. It is obvious that the deer keep the secondary growth very well
groomed.

[Janet]

In article <jZ9vM.109485$U3w1....@fx09.iad>,
hami...@invalid.com says...

They changed.

Abolition of Feudal Tenure (Scotland) Act 2000

"Real Burdens" still remain,in situations like Sheila's
where neighbouring properties retain a common interest to
be managed between themselves. But lapsed feu superiority
conditions are no longer enforcable.

As a neighbour of ours found out the hard way.

Janet UK

[Bruce]

It's legally a mutual responsibility here, but I think it's firstly up
to the owner to keep his animals in. And so far the owner seems to
feel the same.

[Bruce]

Why not fence it off? I wouldn't even start to grow vegetables if
animals can get to them.

[Bruce]

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfGDvDGE7zk>

[S Viemeister]

On 23/07/2023 19:50, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:57:37 +0100, S Viemeister
> <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

>> The feu charter for our property includes a requirement for
>> fencing/walls adequate to keep the sheep and cattle out.
>

> It's legally a mutual responsibility here, but I think it's firstly up
> to the owner to keep his animals in. And so far the owner seems to
> feel the same.
>

This is a bit different.

The land surrounding our property is held in common (hence 'common
grazing') by the local crofters. All their beasts can roam freely over
the estate, and there's a cattle grid on the road in to stop them leaving.

We're required to have fences to keep those animals _out_, and were we
to have a cow or a few lambs, we wouldn't be allowed to graze them on
the common land, as I'm not a crofter. (The family croft went to one of
my cousins.)

[Bruce]

It seems unfair. It's their cattle, so they should look after the
fences to keep the animals in.

It's a mutual responsibility between neighbours here, but I believe we
are legally responsible to have good roadside fences, in case the
neighbours' animals break into our property. May they all become
vegetable or legume farmers.

[lucr...@florence.it]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 04:52:49 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

No other animals ate the veggies, just the deer.

[Bruce]

Why not fence against them then? They may jump, but they can't climb
or fly.

[songbird]

Bruce wrote:
...

> Why not fence against them then? They may jump, but they can't climb
> or fly.

some fences don't look very good.


songbird

[songbird]

lucr...@florence.it wrote:
...

> My neighbour laughed but he soon saw them staying away from my patch,
> so he did the same and benefitted too.

when the deer are hungry enough or young enough they may
do things that you'd not otherwise expect.

we've grown all sorts of "deer resistant" plants, but if
you get a regular herd of young deer coming through they can
still graze a "deer resistant" plant down to nothing.

same for scent barriers and other things that don't involve
a high enough and good enough fence. i've sprayed trees with
urine mixed with cayenne pepper and various other things and
had the deer come back within a half hour and continue eating
as if nothing had changed at all.

if i can get 600ft of fence done sometime in the next
whatever years i can finish enclosing 21,000sq ft of
garden space. i'm looking forwards to that. aside from
the damage from eating and trampling it would be nice to
no longer have their pee and poos around along with no
longer having deer ticks crawling... those are some
tough creatures.


songbird

[Bruce]

On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:56:56 -0400, songbird <song...@anthive.com>
wrote:

Get good looking ones. Although I agree that 600ft is going to be
expensive. Most people won't need that much, though.

[Michael Trew]

On 7/22/2023 8:57 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> Saw them behind my house yesterday afternoon. :)
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/13cM36xJ/fawns.jpg
>
> Jill

Did yoose throw any scraps out of the kitchen window for them? ;)

[Bruce]

No, she killed them with her sharp wit and put them in her freezer.

[songbird]

if i were to get a good looking one all the way
around it would be much more than 600 feet. 600 feet
to match existing will be ok. the gates are more
than the fencing and probably why it won't be done
anytime the next few years.


songbird

[Hank Rogers]

That was Popeyes compulsion. He threw all kinds of shit out his window.

[lucr...@florence.it]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:38:54 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

Why would I want to mar the view with a fence??

[Bruce]

Because you want veggies?

[lucr...@florence.it]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 21:50:41 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>

wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 08:42:28 -0300, lucr...@florence.it wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:38:54 +1000, Bruce <Br...@invalid.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:27:00 -0300, lucr...@florence.it wrote:
>>>
>>>>No other animals ate the veggies, just the deer.
>>>
>>>Why not fence against them then? They may jump, but they can't climb
>>>or fly.
>>
>>Why would I want to mar the view with a fence??
>
>Because you want veggies?

The other method worked fine, they would come down the road and walk
right past my neigbours garden, likewise mine. No unattractive fence
to look at or pay for!

[jmcquown]

Never :)

Jill

[Michael Trew]

The poor critters must be starved to death by now.

[Bruce]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 11:53:00 -0400, Michael Trew

Somebody here said it was actually his wife who fed them, just like
she did everything else he claimed to do, like mow.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-23, Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> They are disgusting creatures and can be dangerous. I occasionally come
> home with a couple on me. I have only ever had one embed itself in me
> but I got it before it started chowing down on me. Unfortunately, the
> body broke off and the head was stuck in me. I finally succumbed to
> pressure to go to a doctor. He said there was nothing he could go. He
> would just make a bigger mess of it than I already had. He said to leave
> it and when it scabbed over it would fall out, and that is exactly what
> happened.

This story isn't why I'm phobic, but it really happened to a friend of
mine. Out camping, a tick crawled partway into his urethra and embedded.
He noticed it when he peed like a shower head and immediately went to
the hospital to get it removed. That's all. No sickness, no nothing.
In my callow youth, I used to shoot jackrabbits for the hell of it.
Often, there would be ten or fifteen full ticks on them, some embedded
in their eyelids. That's where my phobia started. Ewwwww!
Sneaky little, disease-ridden, parasites from Hell.
I ain't crazy about kissing bugs either. That phobia developed later.

[Leonard Blaisdell]

On 2023-07-23, S Viemeister <firs...@lastname.oc.ku> wrote:

> The land surrounding our property is held in common (hence 'common
> grazing') by the local crofters. All their beasts can roam freely over
> the estate, and there's a cattle grid on the road in to stop them leaving.

> We're required to have fences to keep those animals _out_, and were we
> to have a cow or a few lambs, we wouldn't be allowed to graze them on
> the common land, as I'm not a crofter. (The family croft went to one of
> my cousins.)

In Nevada, we have the "Open Range Law". If you're driving on a road and
hit livestock, you're responsible for paying for the livestock and any
damages you sustain. There's more, but that's what always stuck with me.
That and making sure I left gates as I found them after passing through.

<https://extension.unr.edu/publication.aspx?PubID=2218#>

[Dave Smith]

I used to hear about ticks. I never saw one until 20 years ago. I still
remember it. It was climbing on me at work and my co-worker spotted it.
I knocked it off and the two of us were stomping on it and could not
kill it. I saw another one about a month later. I started seeing them
more and more often.