Low-Iodine Diet (LID) recipe/menu ideas?
Serene Vannoy
the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the
Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet
(LID). I have to do the LID for 2-4 weeks, depending, with no
exceptions, not even one. Also, I'll be off my meds for that two weeks,
so I won't have much energy for cooking, so I have to make and buy lots
of stuff ahead of time.
So basically, there are lots of rules about what can and can't be in the
food, and my personal preference would be stuff that's easily frozen and
reheated in the oven (I don't have a microwave, and I don't think I'll
be radioactive enough to cook the stuff with my own personal radiation. :-)
Here are the rules:
1) Salt is fine, but NOT iodized salt, so no packaged foods with salt,
and no foods that anyone else has cooked.
2) Nothing from the sea. (Fish, shellfish, seaweed, seaweed tablets,
kelp, sea salt, carrageenan, agar-agar, algin, alginate.)
3) No dairy products or nondairy creamers.
4) No egg yolks or whole eggs.
5) No commercial baked goods.
6) No red dye #3 (#40 is fine).
7) No sulfured molasses.
8) No soy, except soy oil and soy lecithin.
9) No red kidney beans, lima beans, navy beans, pinto beans, or cowpeas.
10) No rhubarb. No potato skins.
11) No meat (they say up to 5 ounces a day, but I don't want to have to
bother counting anything or worrying about salt injections in my meat,
so I'm just gonna skip it. I don't care about meat anyway.)
12) Up to 4 servings per day of grains, cereals, pasta, and breads
without iodine-containing ingredients. No rice.
The following are fine:
* Fresh fruits and fruit juices, except rhubarb, maraschino
cherries (if they contain Red Dye #3), and fruit cocktail with
maraschino cherries.
* Vegetables, preferably raw and fresh-cooked or frozen without
salt. (But not skins of potatoes, soybeans, and some other beans like
pinto, lima, navy, red kidney, cowpeas).
* Unsalted nuts and unsalted nut butters.
* Grain/cereal products in moderate amounts (see above).
* Sugar, jelly, honey, maple syrup, and unsulfured molasses.
* Black pepper and fresh or dried herbs.
* All vegetable oils. Salad dressings provided they contain only
allowed ingredients.
* Homemade foods (see the free Low-Iodine Cookbook from the ThyCa
web site, thyca.org.
* Cola, diet cola, lemonade, sodas (except those with Red Dye #3),
non-instant coffee and tea, beer, wine, other alcohol.
Ideas?
Serene
Sky
Well dang, Serene! I hope everything comes out well for you - I'm
knocking on wood. Sorry I can't help during the meantime. Get well
soon.
Sky
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Serene Vannoy
>
> Well dang, Serene! I hope everything comes out well for you - I'm
> knocking on wood. Sorry I can't help during the meantime. Get well
> soon.
Thanks, Sky!
Serene
Giusi
>I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't be >
>the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the >
>Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet >
>(LID). I have to do the LID for 2-4 weeks, depending, with no >
>exceptions, not even one. Also, I'll be off my meds for that two weeks, so
>I won't have much energy for cooking, so I have to make and buy lots > of
>stuff ahead of time.
>
If this is to go on up to 4 weeks, I think you should loosen your thing
about meat because it can be so useful in flavoring things and making them
different from yesterday's food. I would probably make some severely
reduced stocks to start and freeze them in small bits to add to dishes,,,
but that's me.
Meantime, you can make hot water pasta like orecchiette with just plain
flour and hot water-- there are lots of possible shapes, but little ears are
the easiest. In a food processor you can make eggless pasta using hard
(durum) wheat, water and a bit of olive oil.
Both of these will be delightful in vegetable preparations, but you need to
think hard about proteins, too. So I would make pasta e fagioli sometimes,
but I like that made with stock.
Do fresh water fish have iodine? I would have thought trout, etc. would be
safe...
You are pretty much restricted to grains and beans for proteins and greens
for calcium, do you could easily prepare these ahead of time and freeze
them, then combine them into various dishes when thawed. Spelt, spinach and
chickpeas, or wheat berries with white beans and onion dressed with olive
oil and thyme, bit of lemon.
That's what comes off the top of my italianized brain-- shall think some
more.
ChattyCathy
<snipped for space
Sorry to hear you've gotta go thru all this, Serene...
>
>
> Ideas?
If asparagus and avocado is OK, (and hoping they are 'in season' where
you live) I found this:
http://www.asparagusrecipes.net/avocado-and-asparagus-salad.html
<quote>
Avocado and Asparagus Salad ingredients list:
2 lb of asparagus.
2 medium avocados.
Juice and zest of 1 lemon.
2 tablespoons of olive oil.
2 tablespoons of fresh parsley.
1 tablespoon of fresh coriander.
1 tablespoon of white wine vinegar.
½ tablespoon of balsamic vinegar.
1 teaspoon of castor sugar.
1 teaspoon of fresh mint.
Salt and pepper, to taste.
Instructions for Avocado and Asparagus Salad:
Trim off the tough ends of the asparagus, then steam until just tender
and bright green.
Plunge the asparagus into cold water to halt the cooking time and drain
well. Set aside.
Peel the avocados then dice the flesh. Toss with the lemon juice and
lemon zest, then add to the asparagus.
For the dressing, whisk the white wine vinegar, balsamic vinegar, olive
oil, castor sugar, mint and parsley.
Add salt and pepper to taste, then pour over the asparagus.
Toss lightly, then spoon into a suitably sized starsol bowl.
Refrigerate, then serve.
</quote>
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
Serene Vannoy
> "Serene Vannoy" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't be >
>> the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the >
>> Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet >
>> (LID). I have to do the LID for 2-4 weeks, depending, with no >
>> exceptions, not even one. Also, I'll be off my meds for that two weeks, so
>> I won't have much energy for cooking, so I have to make and buy lots > of
>> stuff ahead of time.
>>
>> Serene
>
> If this is to go on up to 4 weeks, I think you should loosen your thing
> about meat because it can be so useful in flavoring things and making them
> different from yesterday's food.
I was a vegetarian for 20 years. It's really not something I feel any
need for, but thank you.
> I would probably make some severely
> reduced stocks to start and freeze them in small bits to add to dishes,,,
> but that's me.
*nod* I might make chicken stock and freeze it, just in case I can't eat
or don't want to after my treatment. (Some people get some swelling
and/or damage that makes them not want to eat for a while.)
> Meantime, you can make hot water pasta like orecchiette with just plain
> flour and hot water-- there are lots of possible shapes, but little ears are
> the easiest.
Oh, I would love to try that. I've made pasta before, but usually, it
had eggs in it.
> In a food processor you can make eggless pasta using hard
> (durum) wheat, water and a bit of olive oil.
> Both of these will be delightful in vegetable preparations, but you need to
> think hard about proteins, too.
No, I don't, but again, thanks. :-)
> So I would make pasta e fagioli sometimes,
> but I like that made with stock.
>
> Do fresh water fish have iodine? I would have thought trout, etc. would be
> safe...
No fish at all is the rule. I'm going to stick with that.
> You are pretty much restricted to grains and beans for proteins
Potatoes have protein. Vegetables have protein. Nuts have protein. I'll
be fine, proteinwise. Even when I'm completely vegan, I eat about 60
grams of protein a day, without trying. That's well over the RDA. I
imagine I won't have much trouble this time, either, but if I do, I
guess a few weeks won't kill me.
> and greens
> for calcium,
And almonds, and fortified foods/supplements, yes.
> do you could easily prepare these ahead of time and freeze
> them, then combine them into various dishes when thawed. Spelt, spinach and
> chickpeas, or wheat berries with white beans and onion dressed with olive
> oil and thyme, bit of lemon.
Ooh, that sounds delicious. Thank you!
> That's what comes off the top of my italianized brain-- shall think some
> more.
I'm grateful to you. Thanks!
Serene
Serene Vannoy
> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>
> <snipped for space
>
> Sorry to hear you've gotta go thru all this, Serene...
Thanks! It could be lots worse.
>> Ideas?
>
> If asparagus and avocado is OK, (and hoping they are 'in season' where
> you live) I found this:
I'm a lucky person. I can get most fruits and veggies year-round.
>
> http://www.asparagusrecipes.net/avocado-and-asparagus-salad.html
>
> <quote>
> Avocado and Asparagus Salad ingredients list:
Oh, that looks *delicious*. Thank you!
Serene
ChattyCathy
> ChattyCathy wrote:
> I'm a lucky person. I can get most fruits and veggies year-round.
That's good.
>
>>
>> http://www.asparagusrecipes.net/avocado-and-asparagus-salad.html
>>
>> <quote>
>> Avocado and Asparagus Salad ingredients list:
>
> Oh, that looks *delicious*. Thank you!
I fancy it myself <g>
Best of luck - and I am sure you'll get a lot more 'inspiration' from
others here too :)
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
Serene Vannoy
> Best of luck - and I am sure you'll get a lot more 'inspiration' from
> others here too :)
Yeah. Trolls and snipers notwithstanding, this is a good place to come
for cooking ideas.
I'm thinking that right before I come home, I'll ask James to roast a
big pan of veggies and put them in the fridge for me. I love cold or
reheated roasted vegetables.
And now I'm really jonesing for some roasted asparagus. :-)
Serene
Giusi
> I was a vegetarian for 20 years. It's really not something I feel any need
> for, but thank you.
But you were not sick and you ate a lot. When you are punky and eating
little, it's a bit harder to get all the combining accomplished.
I don't eat fortified foods because they don't exist in the common foods
here. Flour is just ground wheat. There is no D added to milk, etc.
>> You are pretty much restricted to grains and beans for proteins
>
> Potatoes have protein. Vegetables have protein. Nuts have protein. I'll >
> be fine, proteinwise. Even when I'm completely vegan, I eat about 60 grams
> of protein a day, without trying. That's well over the RDA. I > imagine I
> won't have much trouble this time, either, but if I do, I > guess a few
> weeks won't kill me.
That's also with you eating with a healthy appetite. I once lost a tooth to
a period of not eating adequately. I was told I was lucky I didn't do
myself more damage.
Serene Vannoy
> "Serene Vannoy" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Giusi wrote:
>> I was a vegetarian for 20 years. It's really not something I feel any need
>> for, but thank you.
>
> But you were not sick and you ate a lot. When you are punky and eating
> little, it's a bit harder to get all the combining accomplished.
Combining's not necessary, honest. I promise I've done my homework, but
I really am grateful for the caring and pep talk. :-)
Serene
Stan Horwitz
Serene Vannoy <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>
> The following are fine:
>
> * Fresh fruits and fruit juices, except rhubarb, maraschino
> cherries (if they contain Red Dye #3), and fruit cocktail with
> maraschino cherries.
> * Vegetables, preferably raw and fresh-cooked or frozen without
> salt. (But not skins of potatoes, soybeans, and some other beans like
> pinto, lima, navy, red kidney, cowpeas).
> * Unsalted nuts and unsalted nut butters.
> * Grain/cereal products in moderate amounts (see above).
> * Sugar, jelly, honey, maple syrup, and unsulfured molasses.
> * Black pepper and fresh or dried herbs.
> * All vegetable oils. Salad dressings provided they contain only
> allowed ingredients.
> * Homemade foods (see the free Low-Iodine Cookbook from the ThyCa
> web site, thyca.org.
> * Cola, diet cola, lemonade, sodas (except those with Red Dye #3),
> non-instant coffee and tea, beer, wine, other alcohol.
Lots of salads using the fresh ingredients on your list can fit into
your diet just fine. I am surprised though that soda is on the list of
permissible items. I guess I am wrong, but I thought most sodas had some
salt in them. You can also buy a juicing machine and make your own salt
free juices. With a food processor, you can make a variety of tasty
soups, and also sauces to go over modest amounts of pasta. You can
certainly make soups a head of time, and sauces and freeze them in
individual serving sizes. Salads are tough to make in advance, but they
are certainly easy enough to prepare as needed.
Best of luck with your treatment and with your low iodine diet.
Serene Vannoy
> In article <6vn61sF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Serene Vannoy <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>
>> The following are fine:
>>
>> * Fresh fruits and fruit juices, except rhubarb, maraschino
>> cherries (if they contain Red Dye #3), and fruit cocktail with
>> maraschino cherries.
>> * Vegetables, preferably raw and fresh-cooked or frozen without
>> salt. (But not skins of potatoes, soybeans, and some other beans like
>> pinto, lima, navy, red kidney, cowpeas).
>> * Unsalted nuts and unsalted nut butters.
>> * Grain/cereal products in moderate amounts (see above).
>> * Sugar, jelly, honey, maple syrup, and unsulfured molasses.
>> * Black pepper and fresh or dried herbs.
>> * All vegetable oils. Salad dressings provided they contain only
>> allowed ingredients.
>> * Homemade foods (see the free Low-Iodine Cookbook from the ThyCa
>> web site, thyca.org.
>> * Cola, diet cola, lemonade, sodas (except those with Red Dye #3),
>> non-instant coffee and tea, beer, wine, other alcohol.
>
> Lots of salads using the fresh ingredients on your list can fit into
> your diet just fine. I am surprised though that soda is on the list of
> permissible items. I guess I am wrong, but I thought most sodas had some
> salt in them.
Salt's fine, just not iodized salt. Apparently, all US manufacturers
use uniodized salt, but I don't drink much soda anyway, so I don't plan
on stocking up.
> You can also buy a juicing machine and make your own salt
> free juices. With a food processor, you can make a variety of tasty
> soups, and also sauces to go over modest amounts of pasta. You can
> certainly make soups a head of time, and sauces and freeze them in
> individual serving sizes. Salads are tough to make in advance, but they
> are certainly easy enough to prepare as needed.
Good ideas, thanks!
>
> Best of luck with your treatment and with your low iodine diet.
Thank you.
Serene
Nancy Young
> I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't
> be
> the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the
> Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet
> (LID). I have to do the LID for 2-4 weeks, depending, with no
> exceptions, not even one. Also, I'll be off my meds for that two
> weeks, so I won't have much energy for cooking, so I have to make and
> buy lots of stuff ahead of time.
Yikes, Serene, you've really been going through it! I'm really
sorry this happened and I hope these next few weeks fly by
for you and then you'll be all better.
nancy
Janet Bostwick
> I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't
> be the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the
> Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet
>
> Serene
I'm very sorry to hear this. A good resource is the hospital nutritionist.
He/she can provide you with appropriate liquid supplements if you find you
have a need. Let us know how you are doing as you go along.
Janet
jmcquown
news:6vn61sF...@mid.individual.net...
>I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't be the
>surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the
>Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet
>(LID). I have to do the LID for 2-4 weeks
>
> Serene
>
Did you talk with the hospital dietician?
Jill
Ed Pawlowski
"Giusi" <decob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Do fresh water fish have iodine? I would have thought trout, etc. would
> be safe...
>
in iodine compared to other fish, it does contain some. Trout have been used
in thyroid research too.
http://www.iodine4health.com/research/iodine_in_food_table.htm
The iodine content of fish is quite variable. In general, marine fish have
more iodine than fresh water fish, and a significant part of the iodine is
in the head of the fish (where the thyroid is). Here are some typical
amounts for some common fish, in mcg/100g: Cod (110), Haddock (250), Herring
(29), Mackerel (140), Sardines (29), Tuna (30), Atlantic Salmon (76),
Rainbow Trout (13). Here are a few ranges to give you a sense of the
variability of iodine in fish (mg/100g): Haddock (60 – 920), Pollack (23 –
266), Cod (18 – 1270).
Omelet
Salads and fresh or fresh frozen steamed veggies. They can be made tasty
with some home made low salt salad dressings?
--
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Serene Vannoy
> "Serene Vannoy" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> Giusi wrote:
>> I was a vegetarian for 20 years. It's really not something I feel any need
>> for, but thank you.
>
> But you were not sick and you ate a lot.
I meant to say this last night: I won't be sick most of the time on this
thing. The first two weeks, I'll just be tired. Then probably a day or
two of mild illness while I'm radioactive in the hospital, and then just
totally *bored* while I'm in isolation at home.
Serene
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the bottom of the garden." -- Richard Dawkins
Serene Vannoy
Thanks, Nancy!
Serene Vannoy
Thanks, Janet!
Serene Vannoy
No, but I will, and I'm on a listserv for people with thyroid cancer.
They have a free cookbook that looks helpful. Things like mayo made with
only pasteurized egg whites, and homemade ketchup, stuff like that.
Serene Vannoy
>
> Salads and fresh or fresh frozen steamed veggies. They can be made tasty
> with some home made low salt salad dressings?
Yeah, I'm thinking that I will have James buy and cut up veggies for me
every few days. Thanks!
Omelet
Serene Vannoy <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
> Giusi wrote:
> > "Serene Vannoy" ha scritto nel messaggio
> >> Giusi wrote:
> >> I was a vegetarian for 20 years. It's really not something I feel any need
> >> for, but thank you.
> >
> > But you were not sick and you ate a lot.
>
> I meant to say this last night: I won't be sick most of the time on this
> thing. The first two weeks, I'll just be tired. Then probably a day or
> two of mild illness while I'm radioactive in the hospital, and then just
> totally *bored* while I'm in isolation at home.
>
> Serene
Subscribe to Netflix.
Rent LOTS of movies.
Go to the library before this starts and borrow lots of books. :-)
Make sure the batteries in the remote are fresh...
Good luck!
Pete C.
Ouch. Well, 2-4 weeks shouldn't be too bad, certainly better than those
who have to do lifetime diet modification.
Beer and unsalted nuts eh? Sounds manageable...
koko
<ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't be
>the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the
>Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet
snippage
I'm so sorry you are having to go through this. My prayers and best
wishes are with you.
koko
--
There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 02/14
Serene Vannoy
> In article <6vod4bF...@mid.individual.net>,
> Serene Vannoy <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>
>> Giusi wrote:
>>> "Serene Vannoy" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>> Giusi wrote:
>>>> I was a vegetarian for 20 years. It's really not something I feel any need
>>>> for, but thank you.
>>> But you were not sick and you ate a lot.
>> I meant to say this last night: I won't be sick most of the time on this
>> thing. The first two weeks, I'll just be tired. Then probably a day or
>> two of mild illness while I'm radioactive in the hospital, and then just
>> totally *bored* while I'm in isolation at home.
>>
>> Serene
>
> Subscribe to Netflix.
>
> Rent LOTS of movies.
:-) I plan to watch lots of movies on their site. I'm feeling a little
like I don't want to rent stuff or take it out of the library so I don't
make it radioactive, but I'll ask the nuclear-medicine folks about it.
>
> Go to the library before this starts and borrow lots of books. :-)
>
> Make sure the batteries in the remote are fresh...
:-)
> Good luck!
Thank you!
Serene Vannoy
> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Serene
>
> Ouch. Well, 2-4 weeks shouldn't be too bad, certainly better than those
> who have to do lifetime diet modification.
Yeah. I figure it will be a challenge, but if I look at it as a fun
challenge and not a drag, it'll probably not be too bad. I think it's
much worse for people who either don't cook or hate to cook.
>
> Beer and unsalted nuts eh? Sounds manageable...
Hee!
I don't drink, but I did see a big jug of unsalted nuts at Costco
yesterday, and I plan to get some when the time is closer (if I get them
now, I'll eat them before the LID starts. :-)
Serene Vannoy
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:18:37 -0800, Serene Vannoy
> <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>
>> I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't be
>> the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the
>> Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet
> snippage
>
> I'm so sorry you are having to go through this. My prayers and best
> wishes are with you.
>
> koko
Thanks, koko!
Wayne Boatwright
> I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't be
> the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the
> Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet
> (LID). I have to do the LID for 2-4 weeks, depending, with no
> exceptions, not even one. Also, I'll be off my meds for that two weeks,
> so I won't have much energy for cooking, so I have to make and buy lots
> of stuff ahead of time.
Serene, I fear that you may have KF'd me again, but all the same, I want to
wish you the very best with your upcoming surgery and RAI treatment. From
what I understand from a co-worker who went through this procedure last
year, that the success rate is extremely high.
You already seem to know far more about what foods are acceptable than
those I could imagine, but that's no surprise because you're a great
researcher. I doubt I could offer much beyond what you've already
discovered.
May wellness and strength be yours...
Sincerely,
--
Wayne Boatwright
e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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Omelet
Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
> On Fri 13 Feb 2009 11:18:37p, Serene Vannoy told us...
>
> > I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't be
> > the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the
> > Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet
> > (LID). I have to do the LID for 2-4 weeks, depending, with no
> > exceptions, not even one. Also, I'll be off my meds for that two weeks,
> > so I won't have much energy for cooking, so I have to make and buy lots
> > of stuff ahead of time.
>
> Serene, I fear that you may have KF'd me again, but all the same, I want to
> wish you the very best with your upcoming surgery and RAI treatment. From
> what I understand from a co-worker who went through this procedure last
> year, that the success rate is extremely high.
>
> You already seem to know far more about what foods are acceptable than
> those I could imagine, but that's no surprise because you're a great
> researcher. I doubt I could offer much beyond what you've already
> discovered.
>
> May wellness and strength be yours...
>
> Sincerely,
Why would Serene killfile you???
Wayne Boatwright
She thinks I quote too much and don't trim enough. She's right. I
frequently forget to trim.
--
Wayne Boatwright
e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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Jean B.
> She thinks I quote too much and don't trim enough. She's right. I
> frequently forget to trim.
>
That's a pretty minor issue, but each to his/her own.
--
Jean B.
Omelet
Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
> > Why would Serene killfile you???
>
> She thinks I quote too much and don't trim enough. She's right. I
> frequently forget to trim.
I tend to do that too sometimes, but she didn't killfile me!
Serene Vannoy
> On Fri 13 Feb 2009 11:18:37p, Serene Vannoy told us...
>
>> I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't be
>> the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but the
>> Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine Diet
>> (LID). I have to do the LID for 2-4 weeks, depending, with no
>> exceptions, not even one. Also, I'll be off my meds for that two weeks,
>> so I won't have much energy for cooking, so I have to make and buy lots
>> of stuff ahead of time.
>
> Serene, I fear that you may have KF'd me again
Nope, but if I had, I still would respond to you in a thread where I'm
asking for people's help and you're offering it. It's only polite. :-)
(Note to others: Wayne knows I like him, but I killfile him now and then
when he's either overquoting for one-line responses all the time, or
expressing his disgust of fat people a lot.)
> , but all the same, I want to
> wish you the very best with your upcoming surgery and RAI treatment. From
> what I understand from a co-worker who went through this procedure last
> year, that the success rate is extremely high.
Thanks very much! Yes, the official survival rate for the kind of cancer
I have is 100%.
> You already seem to know far more about what foods are acceptable than
> those I could imagine, but that's no surprise because you're a great
> researcher. I doubt I could offer much beyond what you've already
> discovered.
>
> May wellness and strength be yours...
Thanks, dear.
Serene Vannoy
It is minor for people who post now and then. Sometimes, though, I get
fifty posts from Wayne with two or three pages of quoted text and "Me,
too" at the bottom, and I lose patience. He's not a newbie, and he
really does know better.
Jean B.
> It is minor for people who post now and then. Sometimes, though, I get
> fifty posts from Wayne with two or three pages of quoted text and "Me,
> too" at the bottom, and I lose patience. He's not a newbie, and he
> really does know better.
>
> Serene
>
best wishes to you.
--
Jean B.
Serene Vannoy
Thanks much, Jean!
ObFood: I'm craving pierogie today, and thinking I might bypass the ones
in the freezer (store-bought) and try my hand at Barb's. Wish me luck!
Wayne Boatwright
> Nope, but if I had, I still would respond to you in a thread where I'm
> asking for people's help and you're offering it. It's only polite. :-)
>
> (Note to others: Wayne knows I like him, but I killfile him now and then
> when he's either overquoting for one-line responses all the time, or
> expressing his disgust of fat people a lot.)
Serene, I don't believe that I have ever expessed a disgust for fat people.
I am overweight myself, so could hardly afford to criticize.
> > , but all the same, I want to
>> wish you the very best with your upcoming surgery and RAI treatment.
>> From what I understand from a co-worker who went through this procedure
>> last year, that the success rate is extremely high.
>
> Thanks very much! Yes, the official survival rate for the kind of cancer
> I have is 100%.
You're most certainly welcome. Wow, I had no idea that the survival rate
was 100%. That's wonderful.
>> You already seem to know far more about what foods are acceptable than
>> those I could imagine, but that's no surprise because you're a great
>> researcher. I doubt I could offer much beyond what you've already
>> discovered.
>>
>> May wellness and strength be yours...
>
> Thanks, dear.
Again, you are very welcome.
--
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e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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Wayne Boatwright
> It is minor for people who post now and then. Sometimes, though, I get
> fifty posts from Wayne with two or three pages of quoted text and "Me,
> too" at the bottom, and I lose patience. He's not a newbie, and he
> really does know better.
>
> Serene
>
Jean, Serene makes a valid point, and I know I'm guilty of that.
--
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e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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Serene Vannoy
> On Mon 16 Feb 2009 10:04:05a, Serene Vannoy told us...
>
>> It is minor for people who post now and then. Sometimes, though, I get
>> fifty posts from Wayne with two or three pages of quoted text and "Me,
>> too" at the bottom, and I lose patience. He's not a newbie, and he
>> really does know better.
>>
>> Serene
>>
>
> Jean, Serene makes a valid point, and I know I'm guilty of that.
>
Wayne, I'm sorry for talking about you in the third person. That was rude.
ObFood: Made pancakes this morning, but I didn't have buttermilk, so
they weren't as good as the ones I've settled on as the best (adapted
from a Tyler Florence recipe, of all things). James and I have decided
that we need to make a weekly Saturday trip to the store for buttermilk
and breakfast sausage so that we can have our favorite pancakes on Sundays.
Steve Pope
>On Mon 16 Feb 2009 10:03:02a, Serene Vannoy told us...
>> (Note to others: Wayne knows I like him, but I killfile him now and then
>> when he's either overquoting for one-line responses all the time, or
>> expressing his disgust of fat people a lot.)
>Serene, I don't believe that I have ever expessed a disgust for fat people.
>I am overweight myself, so could hardly afford to criticize.
I have not noticed you expressing a disgust for fat people.
I have noticed you expressing the belief that deliberate weight
loss works for some people, and I've noticed Serene disagreeing
with this sentiment. Maybe in some sort of amplified mode
this difference of opinion translates into "disgust".
Steve
Serene Vannoy
> On Mon 16 Feb 2009 10:03:02a, Serene Vannoy told us...
>
>> Nope, but if I had, I still would respond to you in a thread where I'm
>> asking for people's help and you're offering it. It's only polite. :-)
>>
>> (Note to others: Wayne knows I like him, but I killfile him now and then
>> when he's either overquoting for one-line responses all the time, or
>> expressing his disgust of fat people a lot.)
>
> Serene, I don't believe that I have ever expessed a disgust for fat people.
> I am overweight myself, so could hardly afford to criticize.
Took me two seconds to find an example in google. As a size-acceptance
activist, I notice these things:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.food.cooking/msg/a221ad7e4feae559?hl=en
>>> , but all the same, I want to
>>> wish you the very best with your upcoming surgery and RAI treatment.
>>> From what I understand from a co-worker who went through this procedure
>>> last year, that the success rate is extremely high.
>> Thanks very much! Yes, the official survival rate for the kind of cancer
>> I have is 100%.
>
> You're most certainly welcome. Wow, I had no idea that the survival rate
> was 100%. That's wonderful.
Yeah. It's a real pain having cancer of any kind, don't get me wrong,
but even the doctors say if they had to have cancer, papillary thyroid
cancer (the specific kind I have) is what they'd pick, because of its
relatively minor nature.
Wayne Boatwright
Yes, Steve, I have stated that a deliberate attempt at losing weight does
work for some people, including myself, but I also know that the same
attempt by some other people is not as effective. I am still overweight,
but I am also still losing weight. I also know that many people who are
overweight are happy with their own situation and I don't find that or them
disgusting. I didn't think we had a difference of opinion, but it may have
been a difference in interpretation. Life is much to short to quibble over
someone's physical attributes, or certainly not to hold that against them.
I have known some rather overweight women whom I considered "grand ladies"
in the kindest sense of the word. I have also known some overweight people
who were very unhappy with their weight, but had never tried to do any
thing about it. I felt that was sad.
Thanks for your comment.
--
Wayne Boatwright
e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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Wayne Boatwright
> Wayne, I'm sorry for talking about you in the third person. That was
rude.
I honestly didn't think anything of it, Serene, but thank you.
> ObFood: Made pancakes this morning, but I didn't have buttermilk, so
> they weren't as good as the ones I've settled on as the best (adapted
> from a Tyler Florence recipe, of all things). James and I have decided
> that we need to make a weekly Saturday trip to the store for buttermilk
> and breakfast sausage so that we can have our favorite pancakes on
Sundays.
I have to agree that pancakes are better when made with buttermilk. My
favorite waffle recipe also uses buttermilk.
--
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e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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Giusi
I had chickpea and pasta soup yesterday and that could certainly work for
you, as would pasta e fagioli. These are two wonderful things to eat on
cool days.
Serene Vannoy
Oh, thank you! I love chickpeas. Mmmmmm!
Wayne Boatwright
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Mon 16 Feb 2009 10:03:02a, Serene Vannoy told us...
>>
>>> Nope, but if I had, I still would respond to you in a thread where I'm
>>> asking for people's help and you're offering it. It's only polite. :-)
>>>
>>> (Note to others: Wayne knows I like him, but I killfile him now and
>>> then when he's either overquoting for one-line responses all the time,
>>> or expressing his disgust of fat people a lot.)
>>
>> Serene, I don't believe that I have ever expessed a disgust for fat
>> people. I am overweight myself, so could hardly afford to criticize.
>
> Took me two seconds to find an example in google. As a size-acceptance
> activist, I notice these things:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.food.cooking/msg/a221ad7e4feae559?hl=e
> n
I feel I should quote what I wrote for clarification:
Doug Miller wrote:
> Size-28 shoppers in size-12 clothing... :-b
I replied:
In particular, strech pants!
They should be banned from supermarkets for creating an unappetizing
environment.
I thought it was obvious I was commenting on anyone wearing clothing that
was so ill fitting as to make them totally unattractive. It would also
apply to someone of average weight wearing, for example, an outfit that
pretty much bears all.
I feel the same way about people of "normal" or even skinny weight wearing
outfits that, quite frankly, make them look disgusting and totally
inappropriate. I'm not trying to dictate fashion, but it's not difficult
today to find examples of poor taste and poor choices everywhere you look.
>>>> , but all the same, I want to
>>>> wish you the very best with your upcoming surgery and RAI treatment.
>>>> From what I understand from a co-worker who went through this
>>>> procedure last year, that the success rate is extremely high.
>>> Thanks very much! Yes, the official survival rate for the kind of
>>> cancer I have is 100%.
>>
>> You're most certainly welcome. Wow, I had no idea that the survival
>> rate was 100%. That's wonderful.
>
> Yeah. It's a real pain having cancer of any kind, don't get me wrong,
> but even the doctors say if they had to have cancer, papillary thyroid
> cancer (the specific kind I have) is what they'd pick, because of its
> relatively minor nature.
Yes, cancer is probably one of the worst diseases that is so widespread
today and some of the treatments are actually horrifying. I have a very
close friend who has been battling esophageal cancer for the past 3 years,
and while there have been remissions, his prognosis is not good.
--
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e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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Serene Vannoy
"Bears all" = "emphasizes their fat". Somehow I think that if some thin
man is wearing tight pants that pretty much bares all, you'd think he
was attractive. (Later in that thread, I said that I think fat women in
tight pants are hot. You said. "Pft. Repulsive." -- my only point was to
refute your saying "I don't believe that I have ever expressed a disgust
for fat people", and you have done so. At any rate, I think you'll
agree that you've expressed views here that make it clear you find at
least some fat people repulsive, at least some of the time, but I can
probably find more links if you don't.
I'm sorry about your friend with esophageal cancer.
The Cook
<ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Mon 16 Feb 2009 10:04:05a, Serene Vannoy told us...
>>
>>> It is minor for people who post now and then. Sometimes, though, I get
>>> fifty posts from Wayne with two or three pages of quoted text and "Me,
>>> too" at the bottom, and I lose patience. He's not a newbie, and he
>>> really does know better.
>>>
>>> Serene
>>>
>>
>> Jean, Serene makes a valid point, and I know I'm guilty of that.
>>
>
>Wayne, I'm sorry for talking about you in the third person. That was rude.
>
>ObFood: Made pancakes this morning, but I didn't have buttermilk, so
>they weren't as good as the ones I've settled on as the best (adapted
>from a Tyler Florence recipe, of all things). James and I have decided
>that we need to make a weekly Saturday trip to the store for buttermilk
>and breakfast sausage so that we can have our favorite pancakes on Sundays.
>
>Serene
Buttermilk freezes just fine. Put the recipe amount into containers
and freeze. The sausage will probably freeze OK too.
I can understand if you don't have lots of freezer space.
--
Susan N.
"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)
Steve Pope
does not list iodine content. Just as they do not list
purine content. They're doing a good job in some respects
but these seem like real gaps.
Steve
Wayne Boatwright
> "Bears all" = "emphasizes their fat". Somehow I think that if some thin
> man is wearing tight pants that pretty much bares all, you'd think he
> was attractive. (Later in that thread, I said that I think fat women in
> tight pants are hot. You said. "Pft. Repulsive." -- my only point was to
> refute your saying "I don't believe that I have ever expressed a disgust
> for fat people", and you have done so. At any rate, I think you'll
> agree that you've expressed views here that make it clear you find at
> least some fat people repulsive, at least some of the time, but I can
> probably find more links if you don't.
Serene, I disagree with how you think I feel. I think that today there are
many people who dress inappropriately and, therefore, unattractively. It
doesn't matter whether they're fat or average or thin. When I said "bears
all", I wasn't referring to fat. I was referring to parts of the body that
are generally not well-exposed in public. It used to be unacceptable, but
it now seems that "anything goes". When I see someone wearing clothes that
appear to be bursting at the seams (yes, that can happen with people who
aren't fat, too), I find it unattractive. Another example, not long ago
while shopping at a supermarket, I saw an average-looking lady dressed in
toreador pants that fit well and looked nice, but also wearing a shirt with
the bottom tied above the waist and unbuttoned almost all the way down,
exposing just about everything since she wasn't wearing a bra. This might
be appropriate for a party but not shopping in public.
You and I obviously don't share the same tasate it what we find attractive,
but I think it has more to do with attire than being fat or thin.
> I'm sorry about your friend with esophageal cancer.
Thank you, Serene.
--
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e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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Damsel in dis Dress
<ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>ObFood: Made pancakes this morning, but I didn't have buttermilk, so
>they weren't as good as the ones I've settled on as the best (adapted
>from a Tyler Florence recipe, of all things). James and I have decided
>that we need to make a weekly Saturday trip to the store for buttermilk
>and breakfast sausage so that we can have our favorite pancakes on Sundays.
<waiting for the recipe to appear> ;)
Carol
--
Change "invalid" to JamesBond's agent number to reply.
Damsel in dis Dress
<ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>As a size-acceptance
>activist, I notice these things
Serene and Crash have helped me make great strides in reducing my
self-loathing based on my size. Still working on it. It's a
difficult process.
Thanks, Serene!
Carol, size 1X
Gregory Morrow
:Lil' Wayne Boatwrong blabbles:
> On Mon 16 Feb 2009 01:36:02a, Omelet told us...
>
> > In article <Xns9BB417D05097wa...@69.16.185.247>,
> > Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri 13 Feb 2009 11:18:37p, Serene Vannoy told us...
> >>
> >> > I have a feeling that the most annoying part of thyroid cancer won't
> >> > be the surgeries or the doctor visits (as annoying as those are), but
> >> > the Radioactive Iodine (RAI) treatments and the attendant Low Iodine
> >> > Diet (LID). I have to do the LID for 2-4 weeks, depending, with no
> >> > exceptions, not even one. Also, I'll be off my meds for that two
> >> > weeks, so I won't have much energy for cooking, so I have to make and
> >> > buy lots of stuff ahead of time.
> >>
> >> Serene, I fear that you may have KF'd me again, but all the same, I
> >> want to wish you the very best with your upcoming surgery and RAI
> >> treatment. From what I understand from a co-worker who went through
> >> this procedure last year, that the success rate is extremely high.
> >>
> >> You already seem to know far more about what foods are acceptable than
> >> those I could imagine, but that's no surprise because you're a great
> >> researcher. I doubt I could offer much beyond what you've already
> >> discovered.
> >>
> >> May wellness and strength be yours...
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >
> > Why would Serene killfile you???
>
> She thinks I quote too much and don't trim enough. She's right. I
> frequently forget to trim.
That's because you weren't raised right and so are inconsiderate towards
others. Lazy too, I suspect. Your stoopid sig line is also *supremely*
annoying, did you corral a kindergartner to do that...??? Reminds me of a
WebTV'er...
You're pathetically immature for someone who is 64 years old - at this late
age you'll apparently *never* learn. I extend my heartiest condolences...
:-)
Not to mention that it is the height of Extreme Unction to horn in and offer
your foney - baloney "good wishes" to someone who probably doesn't even read
your posts...
--
Best
Greg
.
Gregory Morrow
NEWBIE Lil' Wayne Boatwrong blabbled:
> On Mon 16 Feb 2009 10:04:05a, Serene Vannoy told us...
>
> > It is minor for people who post now and then. Sometimes, though, I get
> > fifty posts from Wayne with two or three pages of quoted text and "Me,
> > too" at the bottom, and I lose patience. He's not a newbie, and he
> > really does know better.
> >
> > Serene
> >
>
> Jean, Serene makes a valid point, and I know I'm guilty of that.
>
DUH
So instead of doing your usual Uriah Heep act - which fools NO one - why
don't you LEARN how to FRIGGIN' trim yer posts...!!!???
--
Best
Greg
Gloria P
>
> Yeah. It's a real pain having cancer of any kind, don't get me wrong,
> but even the doctors say if they had to have cancer, papillary thyroid
> cancer (the specific kind I have) is what they'd pick, because of its
> relatively minor nature.
Serene:
Would you be willing to share your symptoms and method of diagnosis with
us? It could save someone else's life.
gloria p
Gregory Morrow
Lil' Wayne Boatwrong blabbles:
To quote Bette Davis: "Oh, BROTHER...!!!"
Lol...
> You and I obviously don't share the same tasate it what we find
attractive,
> but I think it has more to do with attire than being fat or thin.
>
Thus spake Diana Vreeland...!!!
> > I'm sorry about your friend with esophageal cancer.
>
> Thank you, Serene.
Yes, folx, in the end we see that it's "all about Wayne"...I hear he's even
grown a third arm for which to pat hisself on the back!
<shaking head>
--
Best
Greg
Lou Decruss
<waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
>Serene, I disagree with how you think I feel.
IMO you should have dropped the shovel and climbed out of the hole as
soon as "acceptance" was mentioned. You'll never penetrate the layers
of....ummm...denial.
Lou
Serene Vannoy
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:01:51 -0800, Serene Vannoy
> <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>
>> ObFood: Made pancakes this morning, but I didn't have buttermilk, so
>> they weren't as good as the ones I've settled on as the best (adapted
>>from a Tyler Florence recipe, of all things). James and I have decided
>> that we need to make a weekly Saturday trip to the store for buttermilk
>> and breakfast sausage so that we can have our favorite pancakes on Sundays.
>
> <waiting for the recipe to appear> ;)
:-) I think I've posted it before, but just in case, here it is, but I
leave out the bananas and nuts:
http://www.foodnetwork.com/videos/ultimate-pancakes/1260.html
(It's a video. Here are the ingredients I use for a half batch, which is
enough for my family:
1 cup buttermilk
1 egg
vanilla
1 cup flour
3/4 tsp powder
1/2 tsp soda
pinch salt
2 Tbsp. sugar
2 Tbsp. melted butter)
Serene Vannoy
> <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>
>> As a size-acceptance
>> activist, I notice these things
>
> Serene and Crash have helped me make great strides in reducing my
> self-loathing based on my size. Still working on it. It's a
> difficult process.
>
> Thanks, Serene!
Sure. I think you're beautiful, and I'm not just saying that.
ObFood: Meatball sandwiches tonight, with store-bought Dutch Crunch
rolls, Costco meatballs, sauteed onions/peppers, and provolone.
>
> Carol, size 1X
Serene, various sizes depending on how the clothes are made, but 5'8"
and 325 pounds
cshenk
>>As a size-acceptance activist, I notice these things
> Serene and Crash have helped me make great strides in reducing my
> self-loathing based on my size. Still working on it. It's a
> difficult process.
> Carol, size 1X
Not bad fellow Carol! Hey, whoever said we were supposed to be 'one size
fits all' was living in a closet with the lights turned off.
I was the lucky one with a high metabolism at least from your view. Looked
as thin as those store maninkins and it was a major pain in the ass
healthwise but once I hit 40, I got some curves (grin). I now have to diet
a bit to keep to 133lb at 5ft1 but that is mainly due to DDD (degenerative
disc disease in the back). You might have looked at me with envy and didnt
know I felt like a walking skeleton at 89 lbs. I got real tired of people
muttering about various nasty things like bulemia or anorexia while I was
scarfing down 3,500 calories a day. You as a counter point probably were
trying to eat healthy on 1,500 or so and got upset when folks wondering if
you were binge eating in secret.
Image is all in the mind. I definately *love* the curves I have now. Wish
to hell I had them when I was in my 20's! The happy grin is there when I
see me now in the mirror and the diet is only because the back condition
means it can not bear weight well, otherwise I'd be a happier pidgeon sort
of shape! Oh! Pear would be so cool! But don't worry, I'm a happy sort of
fireplug shape with a few added curves.
Either way, what ever shape I am, it has a big happy grin and thats what
people notice first which is good as that the real me.
cshenk
> 1 cup buttermilk
> 1 egg
Serene, not sure on the eggs but a google search shows all milk products off
limits while on the low iodine diet. You can use regular non-iodized salt
though. Get a box of that and you need not shift other than the contents of
your salt shaker to hold it.
No eating out for 2 weeks of the treatment (til they tell you iodine is ok)
and several meds may have to be looked at as some have a red dye you can not
take (watch vitimins for this like one a day etc). I remember the red #40
was ok but the #3 series were not?
Mostly I noted milk products, sea products, red dye products, and any item
with salt in it that didnt specify 'iodine free' was a problem for you once
you start the treatment.
Bacon may be cured with iodine contaning salt as well as any samwich meats.
Peanut butter too.
All fresh meats and veggies are on the allowed list as far as I could tell.
Dried rice and dried beans are fine. Store bread probably isnt fine but
breadmaker bread with just flour, salt (non-iodized), water, sugar, and
yeast is fine.
Be well ok?
Wayne Boatwright
Perhaps you're right, Lou. I only wanted readers to understand what I
meant, not what they *thought* I meant.
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cshenk
> Serene, various sizes depending on how the clothes are made, but 5'8" and
> 325 pounds
Gosh! I always wanted to be 'tall but worth the clime' but I ended up
'short but worth the stoop'. (big grin as always!)
Dang, I'd love to be 5ft 8! Positively lofty! Oh! and I could reach the
cabinets without having to drag out the step stool!
Ah well, we cant all have everything. Next time you glance down and see a
big grin, might be me.
Serene Vannoy
> "Serene Vannoy" wrote
>
>> 1 cup buttermilk
>> 1 egg
>
> Serene, not sure on the eggs but a google search shows all milk products off
> limits while on the low iodine diet.
Oh, I know. Carol asked for the pancake recipe I made today, though, and
I'm not on the LID yet. Thanks for looking out for me!
Serene Vannoy
> On Mon 16 Feb 2009 07:31:32p, Lou Decruss told us...
>
>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:57:50 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Serene, I disagree with how you think I feel.
>> IMO you should have dropped the shovel and climbed out of the hole as
>> soon as "acceptance" was mentioned. You'll never penetrate the layers
>> of....ummm...denial.
>>
>> Lou
>
> Perhaps you're right, Lou.
*sigh*
Whatever.
ChattyCathy
> On Mon 16 Feb 2009 01:36:02a, Omelet told us...
>>
>> Why would Serene killfile you???
>
> She thinks I quote too much and don't trim enough. She's right. I
> frequently forget to trim.
>
I don't mind your not always remembering to trim so much as your long
sig - because I could use some 'trimming lessons' too. I know your sig
can sometimes be amusing and/or have a little bit of interesting trivia
in it, but I'm more interested in what *you* have to say than your sig.
Just my $0.02c worth.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
.
blake murphy
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Mon 16 Feb 2009 10:03:02a, Serene Vannoy told us...
>>
>>> Nope, but if I had, I still would respond to you in a thread where I'm
>>> asking for people's help and you're offering it. It's only polite. :-)
>>>
>>> (Note to others: Wayne knows I like him, but I killfile him now and then
>>> when he's either overquoting for one-line responses all the time, or
>>> expressing his disgust of fat people a lot.)
>>
>> Serene, I don't believe that I have ever expessed a disgust for fat people.
>> I am overweight myself, so could hardly afford to criticize.
>
> Took me two seconds to find an example in google. As a size-acceptance
> activist, I notice these things:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.food.cooking/msg/a221ad7e4feae559?hl=en
>
with all due respect, that was not distaste for fat people, but fat people
in unfortunate clothes.
your pal,
blake
blake murphy
> "Serene Vannoy" wrote
>
>> Serene, various sizes depending on how the clothes are made, but 5'8" and
>> 325 pounds
>
> Gosh! I always wanted to be 'tall but worth the clime' but I ended up
> 'short but worth the stoop'. (big grin as always!)
>
> Dang, I'd love to be 5ft 8! Positively lofty! Oh! and I could reach the
> cabinets without having to drag out the step stool!
>
do you have a grabber?
<http://www.buyhardwaresupplies.com/?t=5&m=g1&itemNumber=6105456>
this is what mine looks like (don't let the 'as seen on t.v. part scare
you):
<http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/ehms1_2039_5822675>
they can be very useful.
your pal,
shorty
Serene Vannoy
I didn't have any symptoms, per se, until the tumor in my thyroid was
big enough that the PA doing my annual physical could feel it with her
hands. After that, there was an ultrasound and some blood tests, then a
biopsy (or FNA, Fine Needle Aspiration -- it's as painful as it sounds),
and then surgery.
Fortunately, thyroid cancer almost never kills anyone. Also fortunately,
it's easy to find and treat.
Dan Abel
ChattyCathy <cath...@mailinator.com> wrote:
I *do* like Wayne's sigs much better lately. The old generator had a
tendency to cut off the punch line, which was frustrating. The new sigs
don't do that, and they seem a little shorter, also.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
da...@sonic.net
Dan Abel
Serene Vannoy <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > On Mon 16 Feb 2009 07:31:32p, Lou Decruss told us...
> >
> >> On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 20:57:50 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> >> <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
> >>> Serene, I disagree with how you think I feel.
> >> IMO you should have dropped the shovel and climbed out of the hole
> > Perhaps you're right, Lou.
> *sigh*
>
> Whatever.
I considerably snipped Lou's comment until I agreed with it. I can't
see that body acceptance is enhanced by saying that it's not the body,
it's how that particular body looks based on the clothing choice.
cshenk
> cshenk wrote:
>> Gosh! I always wanted to be 'tall but worth the clime' but I ended up
>> 'short but worth the stoop'. (big grin as always!)
>>
>> Dang, I'd love to be 5ft 8! Positively lofty! Oh! and I could reach
>> the
>> cabinets without having to drag out the step stool!
> do you have a grabber?
Naw, step stool at home and when shopping I just jump up and down a little
til some helpful taller sort comes by laughing and gets down what I cant
reach.
If I had a grabber and miscalulated, I might drop a can on my head which
would doubtless smoosh me down even further ;-)
carol...@gmail.com
> "Damselin dis Dress" wrote
>
> >>As a size-acceptance activist, I notice these things
> >self-loathingbased on my size. Still working on it. It's a
> > difficult process.
> > Carol, size 1X
>
> Not bad fellow Carol! Hey, whoever said we were supposed to be 'one size
> fits all' was living in a closet with the lights turned off.
>
> I was the lucky one with a high metabolism at least from your view. Looked
> as thin as those store maninkins and it was a major pain in the ass
> healthwise but once I hit 40, I got some curves (grin). I now have to diet
> a bit to keep to 133lb at 5ft1 but that is mainly due to DDD (degenerative
> disc disease in the back). You might have looked at me with envy and didnt
> know I felt like a walking skeleton at 89 lbs. I got real tired of people
> muttering about various nasty things like bulemia or anorexia while I was
> scarfing down 3,500 calories a day. You as a counter point probably were
> trying to eat healthy on 1,500 or so and got upset when folks wondering if
> you were binge eating in secret.
>
> Image is all in the mind. I definately *love* the curves I have now. Wish
> to hell I had them when I was in my 20's! The happy grin is there when I
> see me now in the mirror and the diet is only because the back condition
> means it can not bear weight well, otherwise I'd be a happier pidgeon sort
> of shape! Oh! Pear would be so cool! But don't worry, I'm a happy sort of
> fireplug shape with a few added curves.
I resemble a giant stuffed teddy bear. Crash loves it!
> Either way, what ever shape I am, it has a big happy grin and thats what
> people notice first which is good as that the real me.
What a healthy way to look at the world and yourself! Good on you!
Carol
Wayne Boatwright
Thanks for your comment, Cathy. I do understand your point, and I'll keep in
in mind. Having said that, I should add that in other groups where I post,
I've had far more unsolicited positive comments on it than negative.
Erm, just for you...
Wayne
Wayne Boatwright
> I *do* like Wayne's sigs much better lately. The old generator had a
> tendency to cut off the punch line, which was frustrating. The new sigs
> don't do that, and they seem a little shorter, also.
Thanks, Dan. It's actually the same sig generator, but I realized I had some
incorrect settings.
--
Wayne Boatwright
e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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I have seen the truth and it makes no sense.
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Wayne Boatwright
Yes, Blake, that was exactly my point, and it clearly doesn't pertain to
only fat people. Thank you.
--
Wayne Boatwright
e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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Date: Tuesday, 02(II)/17(XVII)/09(MMIX)
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(A)bort, (R)etry, (P)anic?
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Wayne Boatwright
Exactly, Dan. Case in point... There is a co-worker with whom I work
closely who is very heavy. She always dresses beautifully, wears very
becoming makeup and a very nice hairstyle. She is most attractive, in
fact, moreso than many others in our office who might be considered
"average" weight.
--
Wayne Boatwright
e-mail to wayneboatwright at gmail dot com
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If you can't convince 'em, confuse 'em. --Harry Truman
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carol...@gmail.com
> Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:07:10 -0800, Serene Vannoy
> > <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>
> >> As a size-acceptance
> >> activist, I notice these things
>
> > Serene and Crash have helped me make great strides in reducing my
> > self-loathing based on my size. Still working on it. It's a
> > difficult process.
>
> > Thanks, Serene!
>
> Sure. I think you're beautiful, and I'm not just saying that.
>
> ObFood: Meatball sandwiches tonight, with store-bought Dutch Crunch
> rolls, Costco meatballs, sauteed onions/peppers, and provolone.
>
>
>
> > Carol, size 1X
>
> Serene, various sizes depending on how the clothes are made, but 5'8"
> and 325 pounds
And every bit of you is wonderful! Well, I have no personal knowledge
of all your bits, but you know what I mean ... <G>
Carol
Steve Pope
> I have to do the LID for 2-4 weeks, depending, with no
> exceptions, not even one.
> [snip rules]
> Ideas?
Were I faced with this, I would want largely whole wheat for my
grain/cereal portions, as wheat is the highest-protein
grain and a lot of other protein sources are forbidden.
Since you also want easy preparation, I'd go with whole
wheat pasta, and whole wheat couscous, because both are
dead easy to prepare. I would supplement the protein
with unsalted nuts, and egg whites. Beyond that, I
would eat fruit and fruit juice along with my favorite
olive oil on the pasta.
It seems *some* beans and vegetables are okay, but others
are not and it may be hard to tell what is absolutely okay
I'd be inclined to avoid the entire sector.
Those are my thoughts. I'm glad it's only 2-4 weeks.
Steve
cshenk
> Oh, I know. Carol asked for the pancake recipe I made today, though, and
> I'm not on the LID yet. Thanks for looking out for me!
You've probably found this already but if not, here's a pretty decent
cookbook to use during that time.
http://www.thyca.org/Cookbook.pdf
Serene Vannoy
Yep. Thanks! They also have a pretty great listserv. It's really helped
me get support and research pointers.
Damsel in dis Dress
<ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>:-) I think I've posted it before, but just in case, here it is, but I
>leave out the bananas and nuts:
>
>http://www.foodnetwork.com/videos/ultimate-pancakes/1260.html
>
>(It's a video. Here are the ingredients I use for a half batch, which is
>enough for my family:
>
>1 cup buttermilk
>1 egg
>vanilla
>
>1 cup flour
>3/4 tsp powder
>1/2 tsp soda
>pinch salt
>2 Tbsp. sugar
>
>2 Tbsp. melted butter)
>
>Serene
Thank you most kindly, ma'am!
Carol
--
Change "invalid" to JamesBond's agent number to reply.
cshenk
"cshenk" wrote:
>> Image is all in the mind. I definately *love* the curves I have now. Wish
>> to hell I had them when I was in my 20's! The happy grin is there when I
>I resemble a giant stuffed teddy bear. Crash loves it!
I love that image too!
>> Either way, what ever shape I am, it has a big happy grin and thats what
>> people notice first which is good as that the real me.
>What a healthy way to look at the world and yourself! Good on you!
Hey, It's a 'Carol' thing (grin). Our name alone speaks of joyous song and
those with the name have a tendancy to have a happy outlook more often than
not.
cshenk
> cshenk wrote:
>> http://www.thyca.org/Cookbook.pdf
>
> Yep. Thanks! They also have a pretty great listserv. It's really helped
> me get support and research pointers.
Seemed so! If you get a hankering for something specific, I'm pretty good
at adapting recipes for special needs.
Best advice I can give is vicarious from others and things you already
mentioned. You wont feel much like cooking for them 2 weeks so may want to
advance make a few meals. Just simple things but you won't be able to trust
even a store bought broth.
I'm afraid the mass majority of my 'fast and easy' cookery uses things off
limits to you just now but I have a few that are tastey and cook quick which
would work.
I do so love my spinach! I am pretty sure that was an 'ok' item but butter
was out, so sesame oil (if ok, didnt notice it one way or the other) can
give it a little kick with non-iodized salt.
Steve Pope
> Yes, Steve, I have stated that a deliberate attempt at
> losing weight does work for some people, including myself,
> but I also know that the same attempt by some other people is
> not as effective. I am still overweight, but I am also still
> losing weight. I also know that many people who are overweight
> are happy with their own situation and I don't find that or
> them disgusting. I didn't think we had a difference of opinion,
> but it may have been a difference in interpretation. Life is
> much to short to quibble over someone's physical attributes,
> or certainly not to hold that against them. I have known some
> rather overweight women whom I considered "grand ladies" in the
> kindest sense of the word. I have also known some overweight
> people who were very unhappy with their weight, but had never
> tried to do any thing about it. I felt that was sad.
I wish to poke at just the last two sentences. How do you know they
had never tried to do anything about their weight? Many people
try once, or twice, with a well-thought-out approach to losing
weight, but it fails to achieve sustained results. They then,
apprising themselves of what is known about weight loss, conclude
they are among the group that shouldn't keep trying, because
the result will be yoyo dieting and probable weight gain.
So if you know a person who isn't doing anything about it,
you might want to consider if this is because they have come to a
reasonable position on the subject, based on past weight loss attempts
that may be decades in the past even but which established
it wasn't going to work for them.
Just something to think about.
Steve
Damsel in dis Dress
(Steve Pope) wrote:
>Wayne Boatwright <waynebo...@arizona.usa.com> wrote:
>
>> I have also known some overweight
>> people who were very unhappy with their weight, but had never
>> tried to do any thing about it. I felt that was sad.
>
>I wish to poke at just the last two sentences. How do you know they
>had never tried to do anything about their weight? Many people
>try once, or twice, with a well-thought-out approach to losing
>weight, but it fails to achieve sustained results. They then,
>apprising themselves of what is known about weight loss, conclude
>they are among the group that shouldn't keep trying, because
>the result will be yoyo dieting and probable weight gain.
>
>So if you know a person who isn't doing anything about it,
>you might want to consider if this is because they have come to a
>reasonable position on the subject, based on past weight loss attempts
>that may be decades in the past even but which established
>it wasn't going to work for them.
>
>Just something to think about.
YES! I hold steady now, instead of gaining. In fact, I've lost 20
pounds without dieting in the past year. But when I dieted and lost
40 pounds six years ago, I gained back 50. 25 years ago, I lost 30,
and gained back 80. I have "always" gained back more than I lost on
diets. So, I don't diet anymore. And I don't gain weight. And I
don't *usually* hate myself anymore. There will probably always be
lapses of insecurity.
Thanks for bringing that up, Steve. I believe I'm healthier this way,
both physically and emotionally.
I dress modestly.
Gregory Morrow
Lil' Wayne Boatwrong blabbles:
Then you're even a bigger idiot than we thought...
--
Best
Greg
Gregory Morrow
Lil' Wayne Boatwrong blabbles:
>There is a co-worker with whom I work
> closely who is very heavy. She always dresses beautifully, wears very
> becoming makeup and a very nice hairstyle. She is most attractive, in
> fact, moreso than many others in our office who might be considered
> "average" weight.
So Lil' Wayne works with a "fag hag", eh...???
I bet they trade recipes (and seKreTs!) and he takes her out disco dancing
with "the boys"...
--
Best
Greg
blake murphy
maybe he's like you, morrow - when someone posts and calls him a dick, he
sniggers and tells himself that it means he's an entertaining fellow.
blake
James Silverton
A number of programs, even Outlook Express, will recognize and trim off
sigs if the accepted marker: -- CR is used. That does not look too clear
but it is two hyphens, a space and a carriage return.
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
notbob
> A number of programs, even Outlook Express, will recognize and trim off
> sigs if the accepted marker: -- CR is used. That does not look too clear
> but it is two hyphens, a space and a carriage return.
Yet you, too, leave dozens of lines of useless quoted text untrimmed.
Amazing.
nb
James Silverton
>> A number of programs, even Outlook Express, will recognize
>> and trim off sigs if the accepted marker: -- CR is used. That does
>> not look too clear but it is two hyphens, a space and a
>> carriage return.
> Yet you, too, leave dozens of lines of useless quoted text
> untrimmed. Amazing.
It's a matter of opinion about "useless". There are differences about
how much should be quoted. In this post, I am not replyiing to you alone
and thus I requote your selection of my previous post to establish
relevance. Like many others, I am sometimes unwilling to do a lot of
selection and careful editing and I don't apologize for it.
Gregory Morrow
blake murphy wrote:
Sorry, blake, I simply don't get the Big Hairy Deal about not trimming one's
posts and having a bloated 'n stoopid sig besides. The former strikes me as
sheer laziness, the latter strikes me as gross immaturity...
And Lil' Wayne in his comments to Chatty Cathy and others re: the subject is
simply showing his TRUE smarmy and unctuous colors, viz: "...I know I'm
guilty...I'll take your comments into consideration...I've had no complaints
on other groups...". So I guess we have to come to the conclusion that Lil'
Wayne is naught but a passive - aggressive "dick" - *right*...???
As I've mentioned before, Lil Wayne's prevarications reminds me of those of
a clueless noobie WebTVer. And in sheer ugliness the MESSY formatting of
his posts is about the equal of his good friend Peter Lucas' messy
formatting. I don't think anyone, really, REALLY cares about a clock
countdown to Arbor Day or cares to see some extremely lame "saying" in
someone's ridiculously bloated sig.
This is all a simple techical matter and a matter of basic netiquette. I'm
puzzled as to why it's even being discussed, quite frankly...
--
Best
Greg
blake murphy
i don't carry my grabber to the grocery store (i do have a set of tongs in
my reticule to extend my reach a little bit).
you do have to be careful with the grabber, but to get one item, i think it
would be less trouble than dragging out the step-stool, unfolding it,
moving it into place, then re-folding it and putting it away.
on the other hand, you can more easily see what's up there with the
step-stool.
your pal,
blake
Gregory Morrow
blake murphy wrote:
Where do you get these grabber thingies? I'd like to get one for my
mom...and I could even see using one myself to get junk off of the top
shelves.
--
Best
Greg
Serene Vannoy
> "Serene Vannoy" wrote
>> cshenk wrote:
>
>
>>> http://www.thyca.org/Cookbook.pdf
>> Yep. Thanks! They also have a pretty great listserv. It's really helped
>> me get support and research pointers.
>
> Seemed so! If you get a hankering for something specific, I'm pretty good
> at adapting recipes for special needs.
Thanks! I'll keep that in mind. :-)
>
> Best advice I can give is vicarious from others and things you already
> mentioned. You wont feel much like cooking for them 2 weeks so may want to
> advance make a few meals. Just simple things but you won't be able to trust
> even a store bought broth.
Yeah. Tonight, I'm making chicken stock, schmaltz, barley soup with
homemade beef stock, tomato sauce, and cashew "milk", all to put into
the freezer. Tomorrow, we're going to buy 10 pounds of potatoes for me
to mash and freeze in one-serving quantities.
> I do so love my spinach! I am pretty sure that was an 'ok' item but butter
> was out, so sesame oil (if ok, didnt notice it one way or the other) can
> give it a little kick with non-iodized salt.
Ooh, yum.
Serene Vannoy
Hee! Thanks, love.
ObFood: Making chicken stock from a no-salt-added chicken. Isn't it sad
that you have to actually look for chickens that haven't been injected
with salt these days?
Omelet
Serene Vannoy <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
> carol...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 16, 9:56 pm, Serene Vannoy <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote:
>
> >> Serene, various sizes depending on how the clothes are made, but 5'8"
> >> and 325 pounds
> >
> > And every bit of you is wonderful! Well, I have no personal knowledge
> > of all your bits, but you know what I mean ... <G>
>
> Hee! Thanks, love.
>
> ObFood: Making chicken stock from a no-salt-added chicken. Isn't it sad
> that you have to actually look for chickens that haven't been injected
> with salt these days?
>
> Serene
I can only find them at Fiesta Mexican market in Austin!
--
Peace! Om
I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama