5 lb bag of sugar is 4 lbs...
hob
bags of sugar (of all producers) were now all 4 pounds.. (and the price PER
BAG was also up from last year, fwiw).
Since I almost always buy by the "unit", e.g., can, bag, box, etc. rather
than by the weight, I don't really pay close attention to the "unit's"
weight
I realize there has been a lot of "downsizing" of the quantity without
any commensurate lowering of price (a lot of candy bars put out in new
displays in the past few weeks, e.g., ), but when did the "old standards"
like sugar make that change?
(FWIW 2 - It also looks like the price per pound of sugar is up almost 100%
over last year.)
--
------
Mark Thorson
>
> I realize there has been a lot of "downsizing" of the quantity
> without any commensurate lowering of price (a lot of candy bars
> put out in new displays in the past few weeks, e.g., ), but when
> did the "old standards" like sugar make that change?
>
> (FWIW 2 - It also looks like the price per pound of sugar is up
> almost 100% over last year.)
The sugar industry is a terrible racket, maintained
by large donations to corrupt politicians. You may
pay double what you did last year, but people outside
the U.S. pay less than half for the same thing.
Quoting from this article:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0408/p01s02-usec.htm
"Here in the US, consumers – including candymakers – pay
at least twice the world-market price. That's why
America's soft-drink makers long ago shifted from sugar
to corn syrup to sweeten their beverages.
Candymakers usually can't make that change,
especially in high-sugar-content hard candy."
Quoting from this article:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0320-02.htm
"Kraft Foods Inc. is closing the plant and moving its
operations to Canada, where sugar is half the price
and its work force will be nonunion. The move will
wipe out 600 union jobs that pay an average of $15.50
an hour."
The Bubbo
ha! I noticed the same thing yesterday too. Really irritating. I also noticed
a while back that the Breyers half gallon is now 1.75 quarts.
Sugar has gone up in price and so has flour.
--
.:Heather:.
www.velvet-c.com
Step off, beyotches, I'm the roflpimp!
kilikini
"hob" <deho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Well, I know for a fact that the sugar industry in Hawaii is slowly moving
to Costa Rica, Filippines, and Thailand. I'd say within 10 years, there
won't be anymore sugar produced in U.S. islands. Could that be affecting
part of the price?
kili
George
They try it with everything. My buddy did some design work for a local
plant that cans stuff for Wally. He said they set up a line at Wallys
request to package 4 packs instead of 6 packs. The stated intent was
that if it had the usual plastic ring carrier no one would notice they
just bought a 4 pack for the 6 pack price.
Dave Smith
I started buying flour in larger sizes. A 5 kg. bag doesn't cost much more than
a 2 kg. bag, and a 10 kg. bag doesn't cost much more than a 5 kg. bag. I never
used to buy the larger bags because it seemed like I would have a lot more flour
on hand than I needed, but when I realized that it costs about half as much per
pound I was easily convinced.
notbob
> wipe out 600 union jobs that pay an average of $15.50
> an hour."
Why do you think our Southern borders are not protected? Illegals
have been busting our unions since the late 70's. You don't really
think all these illegals are due to our govt just being lax, do you?
nb
Dave Smith
>
>
> The sugar industry is a terrible racket, maintained
> by large donations to corrupt politicians. You may
> pay double what you did last year, but people outside
> the U.S. pay less than half for the same thing.
It was the sugar business that was responsible for such gross
mismanagement of the Cuban economy that it was ripe for rebellion.
I think American consumers get ripped on a lot of things. I used to do
a lot of cross border shopping and when our dollar was worth about 25%
less most fruits and vegetables were the same price. At the time, a
head of lettuce was 99 cents. I could buy it at home for 99 cents or
cross the border and pay 99 cents US... $130 Cdn. CDs, computer
programs, jeans ... all the same price figure in Canada as they are in
the US.
zxcvbob
Just wait until you take a closer look at your favorite one-pound (or 2
pound or 3 pound) can of coffee!
Bob
Melba's Jammin'
"hob" <deho...@comcast.net> wrote:
<cough> that 5# bag of sugar has weighed 4# for several years.
The two pound box of graham crackers doesn't weigh two pounds anymore,
either. OTOH, the 1# box doesn't weight a pound, either. Tricky price
increases.
--
-Barb
<http://jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 4-20-2006 with our visit
to Kramarczuk's.
"If it's not worth doing to excess, it's not worth doing at all."
Goomba38
> <cough> that 5# bag of sugar has weighed 4# for several years.
> The two pound box of graham crackers doesn't weigh two pounds anymore,
> either. OTOH, the 1# box doesn't weight a pound, either. Tricky price
> increases.
I do wish they'd make the packaging smaller just to use less resources.
I would appreciate carrying less home to dispose of, as well as less
waste in the environment.
Peter A
swe...@cluemail.compost says...
> You can blame the HFCS lobby for that. Not only Kraft, but many
> candy makers have moved to Canada (LifeSavers, ie), putting
> Americans out of work all to fatten the politicians pockets.
> Somebody gimme a gun... I *HATE* politicians.
>
>
Don't be ridiculous. If a company moves it's to fatten their own
pockets. If you want to fume at anyone for plants moving out of the US
then at least figure out who is really to blame - greedy corporations.
--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm
Mark Thorson
>
> Well, I know for a fact that the sugar industry in Hawaii is slowly
> moving to Costa Rica, Filippines, and Thailand. I'd say within
> 10 years, there won't be anymore sugar produced in U.S. islands.
> Could that be affecting part of the price?
>
> kili
There will always be a large beet-sugar industry
in the U.S., as long as taxpayers are willing
to support it. It would disappear tomorrow
if it was forced to compete in international
markets against cane sugar, BUT THERE'S NO WAY
THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
Mark Thorson
>
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 11:57:57 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > The sugar industry is a terrible racket, maintained
> > by large donations to corrupt politicians.
>
> candy makers have moved to Canada (LifeSavers, ie), putting
> Americans out of work all to fatten the politicians pockets.
> Somebody gimme a gun... I *HATE* politicians.
You can't blame the HFCS industry for creating
the sugar racket. They merely exploited the
price supports created by the sugar beet industry.
Essentially, HFCS is an end-run around the
sugar price supports, and now that it is an
established industy, they certainly don't want
to see the pricing regime change.
djs...@aol.com
Mark Thorson wrote:
>
>
> "Kraft Foods Inc. is closing the plant and moving its
> operations to Canada, where sugar is half the price
> and its work force will be nonunion. The move will
> wipe out 600 union jobs that pay an average of $15.50
> an hour."
In the meantime the head honchos at the top of the corporate ladder
will still make their questionable 6 and 7 figure salaries.
Mark Thorson
>
> In the meantime the head honchos at the top of the corporate
> ladder will still make their questionable 6 and 7 figure salaries.
Hey, if they advance the stock price,
why should any stockholder care?
It's like the recent fuss about the $400M
retirement package for the head of Exxon.
If that guy made $401M for Exxon that it
would not have had otherwise, he was worth
every penny. That's why I'm not bothered
by the money that sports and movie stars
make -- if one of them makes $10M extra
profits for CBS (or whomever), I'd be
in favor of him or her getting as much
of that $10M as possible.
Melba's Jammin'
Goomba38 <Goom...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> > <cough> that 5# bag of sugar has weighed 4# for several years.
> > The two pound box of graham crackers doesn't weigh two pounds anymore,
> > either. OTOH, the 1# box doesn't weigh a pound, either. Tricky price
> > increases.
>
> I do wish they'd make the packaging smaller just to use less resources.
> I would appreciate carrying less home to dispose of, as well as less
> waste in the environment.
Indeed, the boxes (graham crackers) are smaller. So is the cracker.
Same number of packets within, though. Like I said. . . . tricky little
buggers. And the 4# bag of sugar is smaller than the 5#. Not a lot --
about a pounds' worth. "-)
--
-Barb
<http://jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 4-30-2006, Dead Spread
& latest church review.
T
deho...@comcast.net says...
That's odd - the Shaw's branded sugar is still in a 5lb. bag.
But I have noticed the downsizing in ice cream of all things.
Alex Rast
<J4Sdnez3W-F5mMjZ...@comcast.com>, deho...@comcast.net
(hob) wrote :
>I was walking through the store yesterday, and I noticed that the "5
>pound" bags of sugar (of all producers) were now all 4 pounds.. (and the
>price PER BAG was also up from last year, fwiw).
>...
>
> I realize there has been a lot of "downsizing" of the quantity
> without
>any commensurate lowering of price
Ultimately, most of these manifestations (in sugar, candy bars, coffee, ice
cream, just about anything else), are nothing more than inflation. Time
goes by, things cost more. The manufacturer then has 2 options:
1) Keep the same weight and increase the price
2) Reduce the weight while retaining the same price.
It's common to opt for the latter because more consumers will stop buying
if the price goes up. To a certain extent, it's the result of unrealistic
expectations - the belief that prices will stay static forever.
Reducing the weight without mentioning it appears deceptive when noticed by
the consumer, but if they said boldly "new smaller size", and then sold it
for the same price, people would buy still *less* than they would had the
price been increased for the same size.
Not that in the case of sugar, at least in the USA, that might not be such
a bad thing, but there is the rationale.
--
Alex Rast
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(remove d., .7, not, and .NOSPAM to reply)
Paul M. Cook
We eat way too much sugar anyway. I hear the average US household goes
through 160 pounds of it every year *per person*.
http://www.cspinet.org/new/sugar_limit.html
14 pounds a month is simply unbelievable - that's almost a half pound a day.
I have had he same box of sugar, 8 ounces, in my pantry for no less than 3
years now.
It's a commodity item and its cost is indexed to other goods which is why we
pay so much more for it. Any market with the demand that this country has
can expect to pay a lot more for it. Why sell low when the demand supports
gouging? Same for oil.
Do yourself a flavor - go savory.
Paul
Paul M. Cook
<djs...@aol.com> wrote in message
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7 figures is so last week. Try 8 figures and even 9 when you factor in the
entire value of their pay package. It's obscene.
Paul
>
Paul M. Cook
"Mark Thorson" <nos...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:44553E83...@sonic.net...
When I worked for Lucent, the CEO had a 100 million dollar pay and severance
package. During his reign of ineptitude, Lucent stock went from around 90
bucks a share to about 7 bucks a share. Richard McGinn walked away with all
of his pay, plus bonuses after completely ruining the company in 2 short
years. Oh and he exercised his options before the price tanked. The guy
was out for 1 thing and one thing only, jacking up the stock price so he
could cash out and then letting the company fail.
Crime pays.
Paul
Denise~*
>
> We eat way too much sugar anyway. I hear the average US household goes
> through 160 pounds of it every year *per person*.
> http://www.cspinet.org/new/sugar_limit.html
I belive they are referring to sugar in processed foods, rather than
purchased sugar. I couldn't imagine buying & using that much sugar.
Umbrian
wipe out 600 union jobs that pay an average of $15.50
an hour."
Not as clear as all that. First, much of the world depends on beet
sugar, and I pay a premium for cane sugar as brown sugar. I use beet
for everything else. I just checked a package of brown cane sugar,
store brand and it says €2.40 for 500 g, or 1.1 pounds. That's
almost $3 a pound.
Second, $15.50 an hour is very high pay indeed here in Italy and is
paid to highly skilled workers only. The employer pays a similar
amount for various social and tax schemes, all nice to have but keeping
cash earnings down.
So, from my POV there really isn't a world market price because you are
talking two different products entirely.
Sheldon
Denise~* wrote:
> Paul M. Cook wrote:
> >
> > We eat way too much sugar anyway. I hear the average US household goes
> > through 160 pounds of it every year *per person*.
> > http://www.cspinet.org/new/sugar_limit.html
>
> I belive they are referring to sugar in processed foods, rather than
> purchased sugar. I couldn't imagine buying & using that much sugar.
I believe they're speaking of *all* sugar even that contained naturally
in foods, like in fruit, vegetables, and in wine and beer!
Sheldon
Doug Kanter
news:J4Sdnez3W-F5mMjZ...@comcast.com...
>I was walking through the store yesterday, and I noticed that the "5 pound"
> bags of sugar (of all producers) were now all 4 pounds.. (and the price
> PER
> BAG was also up from last year, fwiw).
> Since I almost always buy by the "unit", e.g., can, bag, box, etc.
> rather
> than by the weight, I don't really pay close attention to the "unit's"
> weight
>
> I realize there has been a lot of "downsizing" of the quantity without
> any commensurate lowering of price (a lot of candy bars put out in new
> displays in the past few weeks, e.g., ), but when did the "old standards"
> like sugar make that change?
>
> (FWIW 2 - It also looks like the price per pound of sugar is up almost
> 100%
> over last year.)
It hasn't been downsized. They make 3 sizes currently:
4-lb. bag
4-lb. New Plastic Canister
5-lb. bag
The unit price *has* gone up some, but that's due to freight more than any
other factor.
Nancy2
hob wrote:
> I was walking through the store yesterday, and I noticed that the "5 pound"
> bags of sugar (of all producers) were now all 4 pounds.. (and the price PER
> BAG was also up from last year, fwiw).
> Since I almost always buy by the "unit", e.g., can, bag, box, etc. rather
> than by the weight, I don't really pay close attention to the "unit's"
> weight
>
> I realize there has been a lot of "downsizing" of the quantity without
> any commensurate lowering of price (a lot of candy bars put out in new
> displays in the past few weeks, e.g., ), but when did the "old standards"
> like sugar make that change?
I hate to tell you this, but the "5 lb." bag of sugar has been 4 lbs.
for quite a while. Same phenom can be observed in coffee weights.
N.
Doug Kanter
"Nancy2" <nancy-...@uiowa.edu> wrote in message
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No it hasn't, assuming you're talking about Domino. Your store has chosen to
carry the 4 lb bag. Which store do you shop at?
George
Not at the stores where I commonly shop. I just bought a actual 5 lb
weight "5 lb" bag last week.
The coffee is another story. You may remember how they tried to spin
that "we grind it using a new process so you need to use less...". Then
how would they explain the 12.5 oz actual weight "1 lb" bag of unground
beans?
Paul M. Cook
"Sheldon" <PENM...@aol.com> wrote in message
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No they are not. They are talking about all processed sugars and this
includes either pure or as an ingredient. It's a hell of a lot of sugar and
that statistic was from 1999 - the actual number now is probably even higher
still. There simply is no way to even estimate how much "natural" sugars
are consumed as well.
Paul
Doug Kanter
news:J4Sdnez3W-F5mMjZ...@comcast.com...
> (FWIW 2 - It also looks like the price per pound of sugar is up almost
> 100%
> over last year.)
The wholesale price has done no such thing. What do you mean by "looks
like"??? What were you looking at when you came up with your 100% figure?
Nancy Young
sugar ... all 5 lb bags except for the no name brand, that was 4.
Never heard of a 4lb bag of sugar before today. Not paying
attention.
nancy
Wayne Boatwright
If it makes a difference to anyone, you should also look to see if it is
"pure cane sugar". Beet sugar is also a greater share of the sugar for sale
now.
--
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________________________________________
Okay, okay, I take it back! UnScrew you!
Doug Kanter
"Steve Wertz" <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote in message
news:7r8d9ezc0z98$.dlg@sqwertzwashere.com...
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 20:32:20 GMT, Peter A wrote:
>
>> In article <2qxb54x53b1w$.d...@sqwertzwashere.com>,
>> swe...@cluemail.compost says...
>>> You can blame the HFCS lobby for that. Not only Kraft, but many
>>> candy makers have moved to Canada (LifeSavers, ie), putting
>>> Americans out of work all to fatten the politicians pockets.
>>> Somebody gimme a gun... I *HATE* politicians.
>>
>> Don't be ridiculous. If a company moves it's to fatten their own
>> pockets. If you want to fume at anyone for plants moving out of the US
>> then at least figure out who is really to blame - greedy corporations.
>
> even, too. Screw the shareholders.
>
> Fact is, they woulnd't have had to move if the price of sugar
> wasn't drastically lower in Canada because of the HFCS lobbies.
>
> -sw
It's contagious. Look at the original post in the thread. The OP's a
finalist in the stupid conclusion olympics.
hob
"Doug Kanter" <ancien...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Scp5g.7518$kg....@news02.roc.ny...
The 5 lb bags from C&H and Crystal, offered for an eternity at the local
upscale bigmart, have been replaced on the shelf by 4 lb bags of C&H and
Crystal.
No 5 lb bags offered.
(ONTOH, I almost always buy "fine" baker's sugar in the carton, so for me
it's more a curiosity than anything else)
Doug Kanter
C&H makes 4, 5 & 10 lb bags. Nothing has been downsized. The decision to
carry only the 4 lb bag was made by your supermarket's buying department,
for any of a number of reasons. What store do you shop at?
hob
I paid $.99 for 5 lb bag of sugar on sale late last fall and the 4 lb bags
are $1.69 on sale a few days ago.
( First, 5 lb just fills my canister and I never buy 10 lb bags, and
second, I made candy for a group around Christmas that took five pounds of
sugar and I needed to submit the costs.)
that's .20 a lb then vs .42 a lb now.
Ok, so it's up 110%. Close enough.
>
hob
byerly's
>
>
Doug Kanter
First, a question: How old are you?
Now, some data. Right now, unless a store negotiates a hot deal with Domino
or C&H, they're paying about $2.00 for a 5 lb bag of sugar. This price has
been the same, give or take a quarter, for the past year.
Another question: Why do you think your store occasionally sells these $2.00
bags of sugar for $0.99?
hob
Yeah, unlike you who are in the finals for moronus maximus assus.
Check the price of refined sugar in the past six months, smart ass?
http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/sugar/Data/Table02.xls
>
>
hob
No, you are wrong. The price of sugar has jumped significantly.
from the USDA
refined sugar price November 2005 - 13.10
refined sugar price April 2006 -21.35
in the last six months, price of refined is up 63%
--------
from the USDA
raw sugar price, November 2005 -12.86
raw sugar price, April 2006 -18.21
in the last six months, price of raw is up 42%
http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/sugar/Data/Table02.xls
http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/sugar/Data/Table03.xls
>
Doug Kanter
I'm sorry, but that does not reflect the actual price being paid by the
supermarket chains and wholesalers. Do you have any theories as to why this
might be?
Doug Kanter
I don't need to check government sites. I'm in the grocery business. I punch
a few keys, and I see that my company has sold 73 truckloads of Domino & C&H
sugar since March of 2005. Using 5 lb bags as an example, the price has
risen about 10% in that time period. The discrepancy between the govenment's
numbers and reality can be explained in a way that's similar to the way you
can explain the problem with oil at the moment.
About an hour ago, I asked you how old you were. This would be a good time
to tell me.
hob
>
> "hob" <deho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ivSdnQRBe9U...@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Doug Kanter" <ancien...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:j6s5g.8779$tT....@news01.roc.ny...
> >> "hob" <deho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:J4Sdnez3W-F5mMjZ...@comcast.com...
> >>
> >> > (FWIW 2 - It also looks like the price per pound of sugar is up
almost
> >> > 100%
> >> > over last year.)
> >>
> >>
> >> The wholesale price has done no such thing. What do you mean by "looks
> >> like"??? What were you looking at when you came up with your 100%
> >> figure?
> >>
> >
> > I paid $.99 for 5 lb bag of sugar on sale late last fall and the 4 lb
> > bags
> > are $1.69 on sale a few days ago.
> > ( First, 5 lb just fills my canister and I never buy 10 lb bags, and
> > second, I made candy for a group around Christmas that took five pounds
of
> > sugar and I needed to submit the costs.)
> >
> > that's .20 a lb then vs .42 a lb now.
> >
> > Ok, so it's up 110%. Close enough.
> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> First, a question: How old are you?
Old enough to have been a CEO twice and been in 'Nam, kid.
>
> Now, some data. Right now, unless a store negotiates a hot deal with
Domino
> or C&H, they're paying about $2.00 for a 5 lb bag of sugar. This price has
> been the same, give or take a quarter, for the past year.
Yes, some data - real data, not some BS facts pulled out of some fading
memory bank.
Sugar was $2.32 wholesale last September (5 lbs, per wholesaler's book.)
On sale loss leader $.99.
Today's wholesale price for a 4 lb bag - $ 2.96. On sale loss leader, $
1.69.
( I just looked in "the book" for April, you know kid, the one the
wholesaler gives the retailer, to get you an accurate price.)
Try some real facts on for size, kid. It'll give you a real perspective.
The price of refined sugar has jumped over 60% in the past six months.
-----from the USDA
refined sugar price November 2005 - 13.10
refined sugar price April 2006 - 21.35
in the last six months, price of refined is up 63%
http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/sugar/Data/Table02.xls
http://www.ers.usda.gov/briefing/sugar/Data/Table03.xls
hob
September's - I checked ours.
Doug Kanter
>> Now, some data. Right now, unless a store negotiates a hot deal with
> Domino
>> or C&H, they're paying about $2.00 for a 5 lb bag of sugar. This price
>> has
>> been the same, give or take a quarter, for the past year.
>
> Yes, some data - real data, not some BS facts pulled out of some fading
> memory bank.
>
> Sugar was $2.32 wholesale last September (5 lbs, per wholesaler's book.)
> On sale loss leader $.99.
The actual number is $1.78 as of two weeks ago. No change anticipated, other
than BETTER deals negotiated by chains and wholesalers. Where EXACTLY did
your $2.32 come from?
But wait...this doesn't matter. The biggest change since a year ago was
perhaps a quarter, which does not explain the 100% you mentioned in your
original message. And, loss leader pricing explains nothing at all.
hob
> "hob" <deho...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:85adna06O7N...@comcast.com...
>
> >> Now, some data. Right now, unless a store negotiates a hot deal with
> > Domino
> >> or C&H, they're paying about $2.00 for a 5 lb bag of sugar. This price
> >> has
> >> been the same, give or take a quarter, for the past year.
> >
> > Yes, some data - real data, not some BS facts pulled out of some fading
> > memory bank.
> >
> > Sugar was $2.32 wholesale last September (5 lbs, per wholesaler's
book.)
> > On sale loss leader $.99.
>
>
> The actual number is $1.78 as of two weeks ago. No change anticipated,
other
> than BETTER deals negotiated by chains and wholesalers. Where EXACTLY did
> your $2.32 come from?
our local wholesale price book. 5 lbs C&H.
Puester
I checked today also. Lots of 5 lb. bags of sugar, a few 4, and many,
many 10 lb bags. The 10 lb. looked smaller than they used to. Weird?
gloria p
Dave Smith
> I checked today also. Lots of 5 lb. bags of sugar, a few 4, and many,
> many 10 lb bags. The 10 lb. looked smaller than they used to. Weird?
Small changes in packaging can make things look a lot different. People
with a decent education, a decent capacity to understand mathematics and
some practical experience realize that a little extra diameter can make up
for a lot of height.
I like simple glasses. Our tumblers are highball glass, round and with
straight sides, tall and thin. We also have some shorter wider glasses. A
few week ago I had to demonstrate to my wife that they held the same
amount. She was determined that the tall glass held more. I filled up a
tall skinny one and poured the contents into the short, fat one. Both
were full to the brim.
Doug Kanter
You started this discussion, and you said this: "(FWIW 2 - It also looks
like the price per pound of sugar is up almost 100% over last year.)"
Are you saying that you have a wholesaler's price book which reflects almost
a 100% increase in price? If so, who's your wholesaler?
Mark Thorson
>
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:33:25 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > You can't blame the HFCS industry for creating
> > the sugar racket.
>
> ADM has admitted it pays supports politicians to make the price
> of sugar artifically high. Dwayne-whats-his-face even brags
> about it.
That's maintenance. ADM didn't create the sugar racket.
ADM did create the L-lysine racket, but that's a totally
different story.
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=963023
http://www.uoregon.edu/~bruceb/lysine_l.htm
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Nancy2
Doug Kanter wrote:
> "Nancy2" <nancy-...@uiowa.edu> wrote in message
> news:1146496905....@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > hob wrote:
> >> I was walking through the store yesterday, and I noticed that the "5
> >> pound"
> >> bags of sugar (of all producers) were now all 4 pounds.. (and the price
> >> PER
> >> BAG was also up from last year, fwiw).
> >> Since I almost always buy by the "unit", e.g., can, bag, box, etc.
> >> rather
> >> than by the weight, I don't really pay close attention to the "unit's"
> >> weight
> >>
> >> I realize there has been a lot of "downsizing" of the quantity without
> >> any commensurate lowering of price (a lot of candy bars put out in new
> >> displays in the past few weeks, e.g., ), but when did the "old standards"
> >> like sugar make that change?
> >
> > for quite a while. Same phenom can be observed in coffee weights.
> >
> > N.
> >
>
> No it hasn't, assuming you're talking about Domino. Your store has chosen to
> carry the 4 lb bag. Which store do you shop at?
I'm not going to argue with you - why are you defending the sugar
industry? Yes, the store I shop at (Hy-Vee) has C & H sugar in 4 lb.
bags and have had it for a l-o-n-g time.
N.
Doug Kanter
Nancy Nancy Nancy....this isn't an argument. I'm not defending the sugar
companies because there IS NOTHING TO DEFEND AGAINST. Most of the people in
this discussion want to believe that sugar companies have shrunk the 5 lb
bag to 4 lbs. This is not the case. Here's the link to the C&H web site.
They make multiple sizes:
http://www.chsugar.com/Consumer/white_granulated.html
Hy-Vee has chosen to carry the 4 lb bag, not the 5 lb. If you want to know
why, you can call them and I'm sure they'll give you a perfectly good
explantion.
Domino's also got a range of sizes:
http://www.dominosugar.com/products/granulated.asp
Nothing has been shrunken. Now, if you want to point a finger at a company
that really did shrink a package, follow this link to some old discussions
about Breyers ice cream. You'll have to reassemble the link in a text
editor.
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_q=breyers+half+gallon&num=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=2&as_maxm=5&as_maxy=2006&safe=off
The major complaints involved two things:
1) Some supermarkets kept using signs that said "1/2 gallon". Clearly, that
was not Breyers fault.
2) Breyers didn't call customers one at a time on the phone and let them
know the package was shrinking.
The finger should be pointed at the supermarkets.
Kate Connally
>
> ha! I noticed the same thing yesterday too. Really irritating. I also noticed
> a while back that the Breyers half gallon is now 1.75 quarts.
All the "half gallons" are now "not". That's been going on for
several years.
Kate
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Curly Sue
store. Both the store brand and Dominos sugars were 5 lb.
I'll check it out in other stores as I go, but the 5 lb bag was still
5 lb as of yesterday!
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:46:27 -0500, "hob" <deho...@comcast.net>
Doug Kanter
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> After reading this I looked yesterday (and bought a bag) at my usual
> store. Both the store brand and Dominos sugars were 5 lb.
>
> I'll check it out in other stores as I go, but the 5 lb bag was still
> 5 lb as of yesterday!
The 5 lb and 4 lb bags both exist. It's up to the store which one to carry.
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> The Bubbo wrote:
>
> >
> > ha! I noticed the same thing yesterday too. Really irritating. I
> > also noticed a while back that the Breyers half gallon is now 1.75
> > quarts.
>
> All the "half gallons" are now "not". That's been going on for
> several years.
It happened around January of 2004 (I know because I bitched about it
here).
Brian
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Red
because of the import taxes. He has sugar shipped to Canada and processed
into candy. The candy is imported (not taxed as high). He then grinds it
back into sugar, and costs LESS than using pure sugar. Go figure.
Del Cecchi
no import tax on sugar. But there is a quota on the amount allowed to
be imported, so the importers make out as do the beet and cane farmers.
But the taxpayer doesn't get any of the excess money and and we pay
considerably more than the world market price for sugar. Oh, and the
High Fructose Corn Syrup guys make out too.
That is why I think Life Savers are now made in Canada.
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be...@smithfarms.com
<cecchi...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>Red wrote:
>> I talked to a brewer last year. He said the cost of sugar is so
high
>> because of the import taxes. He has sugar shipped to Canada and
processed
>> into candy. The candy is imported (not taxed as high). He then
grinds it
>> back into sugar, and costs LESS than using pure sugar. Go figure.
>
>no import tax on sugar. But there is a quota on the amount allowed
to
>be imported, so the importers make out as do the beet and cane
farmers.
> But the taxpayer doesn't get any of the excess money and and we pay
>considerably more than the world market price for sugar. Oh, and the
>High Fructose Corn Syrup guys make out too.
>
>That is why I think Life Savers are now made in Canada.
I was raised in Hawaii by sugar people. The cost of labor and land
eventually pushed 90% of Hawaii out of sugar because it could be made
so much more cheaply elsewhere. Tax payers in the US artificially
supported our local sugar industry for years.
I went to COSTCO last week, picked up a 25# bag of C&H cane sugar and
it cost $12.89. Sounds quite cheap to me.
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maxine in ri
be...@smithfarms.com wrote:
> I went to COSTCO last week, picked up a 25# bag of C&H cane sugar and
> it cost $12.89. Sounds quite cheap to me.
>
> aloha,
> beans
I got 2 5# bags (yes, I checked the weight) for $1.50 the other day.
It was a sale, and probably over, since everyone now is starting their
sale week on Friday round here
maxine in ri
Nancy Young
"maxine in ri" <wee...@gmail.com> wrote
> It was a sale, and probably over, since everyone now is starting their
> sale week on Friday round here
Do you like that? I was happy when they moved the sale start
to Saturdays, I think maybe Friday is even better.
nancy
maxine in ri
Sort of. I usually shop during the week, which means I miss any of the
no-raincheck items. OTOH, if I'm shopping on Thursday, I know what to
hold off on until Friday when something might be cheaper.
On the third hand, I rarely go into the markets that advertize, since
most of what I need I can get at the PriceRite (Shoprite's warehouse
store).
On the 4th hand, when the big stores have a sale on something we do use
a lot of, I will wander around and see if there's anything else we can
use.
Kali--er maxine in ri